---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/18/04: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:37 AM - Re: VG's in the UK (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 2. 08:36 AM - Fun Day at Chapter 453 - Fall Picnic & FireFly New Flaperon (Jack & Louise Hart) 3. 08:56 AM - Headsets revisited (HShack@aol.com) 4. 08:59 AM - FireFly New Flaperon Control Report (John Hauck) 5. 12:01 PM - SMLA Fly-In (John Williamson) 6. 01:27 PM - Re: SMLA Fly-In (John Hauck) 7. 02:44 PM - Visit With Kenneth Reeves/Kolbra Builder (John Hauck) 8. 02:58 PM - Re: XTRA (John Abbott) 9. 03:11 PM - Cable info (Mike Pierzina) 10. 04:07 PM - Re: XTRA (James, Ken) 11. 04:31 PM - Re: XTRA (John Hauck) 12. 04:42 PM - Re: SMLA Fly-In (John Williamson) 13. 05:08 PM - Re: MKIII w/912 for sale (bryan green) 14. 05:15 PM - Next Fly-In (John Williamson) 15. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Trenton Flyers Halloween Fly-In (bryan green) 16. 06:29 PM - Great Pictures (Bill Vincent) 17. 07:25 PM - Re: Fun Day at Chapter 453 - Fall Picnic & FireFly New Flaperon Control Report (Giovanni Day) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:59 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VG's in the UK --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com Thank you for the info Ellery ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:19 AM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Control Report Subject: Kolb-List: Fun Day at Chapter 453 - Fall Picnic & FireFly New Flaperon Control Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart Control Report Kolbers & FireFlyers, Flew down to Painton, MO from K02 to the Chapter 453 - Fall Picnic yesterday. This is THE big event for the Chapter. Lots of local road traffic for spouses, want to be and grounded pilots, relatives and kids. For the last dozen or so years the same fellow has done the barbecue and all the rest is pitch in. I was remiss in that I did not mention it to the list before the event. It was a little chilly, so I wore a neck sock, gloves, sweat shirt and leather jacket to counter the 50 degree F 2,500 agl temperature. I had plenty of time to check out the new FireFly flaperon control. I discovered that I could greatly reduce slide friction which made it very easy to adjust the flaperons with out fear of slide creep while flying through turbulent air. I have not removed all friction to see what will happen. By the way Kolb designed the aileron bell crank system, logic says that the ailerons will always force the push rods down and the flaperons will always return to the cruise position. I worry that if I remove all friction, the system will be susceptible to flutter. I discovered I could get another 2 to 3 mph gps by adding another degree of flaperon. With the control continuously variable, one can find the trim sweet spot for the desired engine cruise speed. As speed goes up one can lower the nose with the flaperons so that one does not have to use so much forward stick to keep from climbing and the elevator deflection drag disappears and speed picks up. If you droop too much you fall off the other side and the FireFly starts climbing again, drag increases, and speed falls off. The FireFly was the only Kolb design at the picnic, but several fellows crowed around it as I was getting out. They were very interested and they turned out to be from or close to Murry, Kentucky and knew Giovanni. One was building a Kolb design. A Chapter member put together a slide show of the event. It can be seen at: http://videos.phototributes.com/dwtaylor/eaa.html It will take a little while to load, but it is worth the wait. A fun day! Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO do not archive Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:42 AM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Headsets revisited --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com Recieved my David Clark headset from my stepson; did a comparison check on our 210 mile round trip to the Carolina Sport Flyers Fly-In at Bishopville, SC. They are model H10-56HXL; they have ANR & are designed for helicopters. They felt comfortable & were effective at noise reduction, both passive & active. They look good in you airplane [for those concerned with "image"]. However, they were no more comfortable or effective than my Lightspeed QFR Cross Country's. The QFR is less bulky & much lighter. The QFR seems to be more effective at noise reduction on a Rotax 503 powered Firestar II. The David Clarks are priced at $683.33 in the Aircraft Spruce catalogue; the Lightspeeds list for $375.00 & can be found at $275.00. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:42 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly New Flaperon Control Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | yesterday. | Jack B. Hart FF004 Jack H/Gang: Thanks for sharing your flight. Enjoyed the well done video. Reference flaperons: I do not know if the Fire Fly flaperons will return to their neutral postion or not. However, the my MKIII flaps fly at aproximately 10 degs down when not locked into position. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:44 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: SMLA Fly-In --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Ronnie Smith and the boys at South Mississippi Light Aircraft put on a great Fly-In. I took a lot of photos of a lot of different makes of aircraft but have limited the photos on my website to Kolbs. This list has some very interesting and talented members and I enjoy it every time I am able to put a face with an email name. I had a fantastic time and three days of super weather. My updated website can be found at: http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ click on "Flights in 2004" to find the Shane Smith Memorial Octoberlite Fly-In page. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 697 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot Zenith CH701 Project http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:00 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SMLA Fly-In --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" on a great | Fly-In. John W/Gang: I agree. Had a great time flying down with my friends, Dan Horton, Maxair Rocket, Bill Griffin, Baby Ace, and James Tripp, FSII. Folks were friendly. Had a good supper Sat night. I was overwhelmed by the presentation of USUA President Reggie Deloach. :-) One correction on photo captions and you make an "A" on these great pictures: Ted Cowan owns one SS and Jim Holbrook, Panama City, FL, owns the other. Jim Holbrook is also a good photographer. He has volunteered to clean up some of my photos that were ok and make them into something a little better. So far, I have no retouched/edited any of my pictures from the AK 2004 flight. Looking forward to the next flyin I can attend. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:03 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Visit With Kenneth Reeves/Kolbra Builder --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Gang: A wayyyyyyyyyyy back in the West Central Alabama woods, on the other side (west) of the Alabama River and the east side of the Tombigbee River, there is a neat little airstrip nestled in the woods and hills, exactly 116 miles from Gantt IAP. That little airstrip runs right down the ridge line. At one end is the start of a very nice steel hanger sitting on a concrete pad. James Tripp and I flew from Lucedale to Kenneth's place to check out his operation. While we were there Kenneth fed us a good ole Alabama lunch, then we looked at and talked Kolbra. Discovered how many airplanes had been in and out of Kenneth's airstrip........two (2). That's right. Miss P'fer was the first and James' FSII was the second. He's got a couple trees he needs to cut to make this a very nice light plane paradise. I must say it is intimidating to land into a short field with 100 ft plus trees on the departure threshold. Especially, when one is loaded with 20 gal of fuel, my gear plus Dan Horton's and Bill Griffin's. Seems when your airplane will not carry much more than a toothbrush, Miss P'fer volunteers to tote their stuff for them. James and I got in and got out with no problem though. Kenneth is doing a good job on his Kolbra. I hope it will not disappoint any of you aviation engineer types if he incorporates a little "hauck" in his Kolbra. Well, the factory had already added a little "hauck" in there before Kenneth's kit was delivered. Ya'll take care, john h MKIII - 2,252.4 hours 912ULS - 906.5 hours Miss P'fer's pilot - Way past TBO............. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:15 PM PST US From: "John Abbott" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: XTRA --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" I'm new to this Lolb list and just saw this request to be on the Kolb-List XTRA. I am building an Xtra and want to be on a list of those who have contrsucted or currently constructing an Xtra. Please let me know. John Abbott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: XTRA > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > Yup, you're with us. Do not Archive. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: XTRA > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" >> >> >> Have not been getting any lists for the last few days, so just checking >> to >> see if this works. >> >> Kiwi >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:34 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Cable info --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hey Guys, Thought you might be interested in this.... http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=679 I'll keep this in mind if I change cables some day.... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN - Aircraft Spruce cables My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... -- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:24 PM PST US From: "James, Ken" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: XTRA --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" Welcome aboard, I'm also building a xtra, where are you located and how far are you in the build? Ken James Drafting Design Technology Instructor Berks Career and Technology Center East Campus 3307 Friedensburg Rd. Oley, Pa. 19506 610-987-6201 Ext. 3532 Kdjames@berkscareer.com -----Original Message----- From: John Abbott [mailto:jrabbott@chartermi.net] Subject: Re: Kolb-List: XTRA --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" I'm new to this Lolb list and just saw this request to be on the Kolb-List XTRA. I am building an Xtra and want to be on a list of those who have contrsucted or currently constructing an Xtra. Please let me know. John Abbott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: XTRA > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > Yup, you're with us. Do not Archive. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: XTRA > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" >> >> >> Have not been getting any lists for the last few days, so just checking >> to >> see if this works. >> >> Kiwi >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:21 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: XTRA --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Kolb-List | XTRA. I am building an Xtra and want to be on a list of those who have | contrsucted or currently constructing an Xtra. | Please let me know. | John Abbott Hi John A/All: Welcome to the Kolb Builders List. You are at the right place. There are Kolb MKIII Xtra builders and flyers on this List. Relax, enjoy, tell us a little about yourself, where you are from, etc., and join the Kolb family. Take care, john h MKIIIc/912ULS Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:21 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: SMLA Fly-In --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" John H. Thanks for the name correction. It Has been changed. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 697 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot Zenith CH701 Project http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:14 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII w/912 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Tks. Richard I'll check it out. Do not archive. Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Kolb-List: MKIII w/912 for sale > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > Was at a fly-in this afternoon, and was approached by a flyer from > Spartanburg, SC. He said that a local in Spartanburg had built a MKIII, > put > a 912 on it, flown if for about 20 hours, and then passed away. His widow > supposedly wants $20K for it. That's all I know, the phone # is > 864-578-2661 > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:36 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: Next Fly-In --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Fellow Kolbers, The 20th Annual Flying M Ranch Fly-In/Campout is this coming weekend, Oct 22 - 23 - 24, 2004. I went last year during the rain showers and we still had over 125 aircraft show up. Up to 200 aircraft have been know to attend. Info about the airfield can be found at: http://www.airnav.com/airport/7TA7 Dinner is served Friday night, three meals on Saturday and breakfast on Sunday. Trophies presented at Saturday Dinner. Email me if you need to know the traffic pattern and procedures. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 697 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot Zenith CH701 Project http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:06 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Trenton Flyers Halloween Fly-In --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" See ya there may be flying a mark III. Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Trenton Flyers Halloween Fly-In > --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com > > All are invited to our fly-in on Saturday, 10-30-04. If it fly's, it's > welcome. OK, you can drive in if you must...... > > Food, gas, candy drops, bonfires, etc. Welcome to camp the whole > weekend. > > Edgefield County Airport, Trenton, SC 6J6 > N 33 44. 21 W 081 49.17 Com 122.9 > > Questions? > > Howard Shackleford hshack@aol.com > FS II > SC > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:59 PM PST US From: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Kolb-List: Great Pictures --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" Hi John Williamson Thanks for the great pictures and the hard work you put into your website. I had a nice picture of our planes parked together at Scott Trasks airstrip, but my computer crashed and I lost it. I learned my lesson and bought a CD burner :-) Bill & Anna Vincent Firestar II Upper Peninsula of Michigan Do Not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:44 PM PST US From: "Giovanni Day" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Fun Day at Chapter 453 - Fall Picnic & FireFly New Flaperon Control Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" Jack, Very nice to see the video. Thanks for posting it. I hated to miss it, but when the DAR comes a calling, you have to be there. I saw my friends David and Julian in one of the photos. I have been telling them about your Italian motor. Giovanni Mark III/912 N-80566 now official Airworthy. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack & Louise Hart Control Report Subject: Kolb-List: Fun Day at Chapter 453 - Fall Picnic & FireFly New Flaperon Control Report The FireFly was the only Kolb design at the picnic, but several fellows crowed around it as I was getting out. They were very interested and they turned out to be from or close to Murry, Kentucky and knew Giovanni. One was building a Kolb design. A Chapter member put together a slide show of the event. It can be seen at: http://videos.phototributes.com/dwtaylor/eaa.html It will take a little while to load, but it is worth the wait. A fun day! Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO do not archive Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == ==