Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:35 AM - Test (Larry Bourne)
2. 08:03 AM - Re: Test (John Cooley)
3. 08:29 AM - Re: Test (Larry Bourne)
4. 08:29 AM - Fw: XTRA (Larry Bourne)
5. 09:20 AM - Re: Lar (Edward Chmielewski)
6. 03:33 PM - Mk3c/912 flight report (H MITCHELL)
7. 04:41 PM - Re: Mk3c/912 flight report (John Hauck)
8. 05:17 PM - Re: Mk3c/912 flight report (Richard Pike)
9. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Lar (Larry Bourne)
10. 07:00 PM - Re: Mk3c/912 flight report addenda (H MITCHELL)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Testing............... Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hey Big Lar,
I know where you coming from. Things have been mighty quite. How's Vamoose
coming along? We all know you've got to finish one day. Of course that would
be a sad day also as we will have to find someone else to pick on.
do not archive
John Cooley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Subject: Kolb-List: Test
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Testing............... Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Actu-ably, I sent a message the other night, but doesn't look like it went
thru. Luck o' the Lar, I guess, so I'll try re-posting it. Keep up hope,
old son...........we'll make it. Besides, when they're picking on me,
they're leaving someone else alone. :-) Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Test
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
> Hey Big Lar,
> I know where you coming from. Things have been mighty quite. How's Vamoose
> coming along? We all know you've got to finish one day. Of course that
> would
> be a sad day also as we will have to find someone else to pick on.
>
> do not archive
>
> John Cooley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
> To: Kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Test
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Testing............... Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Let's try this again.................
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: XTRA
> Don't wanna pick on 'm yet........he's still brand new. 'Sides ya still
> got me to kick around. :-) In all serious-ness, the weather
> in Furnace Springs finally moderated a couple of days ago, and, as
> promised long ago, Vamoose crawled out of his trailer yesterday, and went
> and hid behind the house. This weekend, the re-drive will be de-tached
> and the oil leak WILL be pinpointed and repaired. Then it's just (??)
> paperwork.......my weak point. (weak-est ??) Truth be told, it's
> gonna be hard to get back in the saddle after a summer of loafing and
> running around the country. 'Course, I've been loafing for much of the
> last 8 (??) years, haven't I ?? Yah..........I took delivery of my kit on
> Nov. 15, 1996. Doesn't seem possible, does it ?? Then, too, that means
> I've been talking to (some of) you guys for over 7 years, since I bought
> my 1st computer the following spring. Lotsa water under the bridge, eh ??
> Ambitious Lar. (B.S.ing Lar ??) (FOS Lar ??) Do not
> Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "robert bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: XTRA
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>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
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>> On 19, Oct 2004, at 8:56 PM, John Abbott wrote:
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>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott"
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>>> .. I sense a very positive, respectful and supportive spirit among
>>> the members. It is great to be among you.
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>> Whattya think Lar? (that's "I don't get no respect" alias Rodney
>> Bourne)
>> us chickens always need one in the flock to pick at.
>> -BB do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Hi Lar,
Weather don't stop no paperwork, and the oil leak will be 2 long days max.
Have at it, son!
Good luck, we're pullin' for ya!
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Fw: Kolb-List: XTRA
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Let's try this again.................
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: XTRA
>
>
> > Don't wanna pick on 'm yet........he's still brand new. 'Sides ya still
> > got me to kick around. :-) In all serious-ness, the weather
> > in Furnace Springs finally moderated a couple of days ago, and, as
> > promised long ago, Vamoose crawled out of his trailer yesterday, and went
> > and hid behind the house.
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| Subject: | Mk3c/912 flight report |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:32:59 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
During a preflight yesterday I noticed that my Mk3c/912 flaps were a little below
the flat bottom side of the wing. I evened them up, adjusted them up about
3 Deg and took her for a test hop. Her straight and level IAS @ 4800 rpm went
from 65 to over 70. The left wing no longer stalls first and the 3000 rpm stall
speed is ~39 mph, down from about 45 mph.
With all this improvement I was looking forward to better control during landings.
The throttle was reduced as I joined the pattern and everything was cool until
I found that the rpm could not be reduced below 3000 rpm. It was a hot landing
and I had to do some braking but it was no big problem.
In one of my previous postings I described how I found that one of the end caps
on my throttle splitter had unscrewed and that I screwed it back in with threadlock.
This effectively shortened the throttle control cable and in my fail-go
throttle system the throttle could not be fully closed. The result was not evident
during the preflight run-up because the engine had not warmed to full running
temperature and appeared to return to idle normally. I thought about going
around the pattern again and killing the engine periodically (a le Rhone engine)
but decided that was unnecessary.
Never stop learning.
Duane the plane Tallahassee, FL, Mk3c/912
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3c/912 flight report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
a little below the flat bottom side of the wing. I evened them up,
adjusted them up about 3 Deg and took her for a test hop. Her straight
and level IAS @ 4800 rpm went from 65 to over 70. The left wing no
longer stalls first and the 3000 rpm stall speed is ~39 mph, down from
about 45 mph.
Hi Duane/All:
Where do the flaps fly at cruise speed? Most MKIII's, that I have
flown, tend to push the flaps down 5 or 10 degrees from level with the
wing when in flight. You can test this by pulling the flap handle out
of the notch and let it seek its on position to fly when not locked
in.
I can understand the cruise speed increasing, but I can not understand
how raising flaps would decrease stall speed by 6 mph. If anything,
it should have gone the other way, increasing stall speed.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3c/912 flight report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Something I have tried to do is get my flaps and my ailerons to be exactly
in line with each other when I am flying solo, and the airplane is at
straight and level hands free trim. My thinking is that if all the control
surfaces are right in line with each other, there ought to be less drag
than if one or the other of any of them is up or down a bit. I expect that
this would give minimum drag, but cannot prove it with any hard numbers,
any improvements -if any- are pretty subtle. Having everything all aligned
just seems like that would be the way to go.
Perhaps at our low level of wing loading, it doesn't make as much
difference as it would on a heavier or faster aircraft? Comments?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 06:41 PM 10/21/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | During a preflight yesterday I noticed that my Mk3c/912 flaps were
>a little below the flat bottom side of the wing. I evened them up,
>adjusted them up about 3 Deg and took her for a test hop. Her straight
>and level IAS @ 4800 rpm went from 65 to over 70. The left wing no
>longer stalls first and the 3000 rpm stall speed is ~39 mph, down from
>about 45 mph.
> | Duane the plane Tallahassee, FL, Mk3c/912
>
>Hi Duane/All:
>
>Where do the flaps fly at cruise speed? Most MKIII's, that I have
>flown, tend to push the flaps down 5 or 10 degrees from level with the
>wing when in flight. You can test this by pulling the flap handle out
>of the notch and let it seek its on position to fly when not locked
>in.
>
>I can understand the cruise speed increasing, but I can not understand
>how raising flaps would decrease stall speed by 6 mph. If anything,
>it should have gone the other way, increasing stall speed.
>
>Take care,
>
>john h
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Thanks, Ed.............the problem with the paperwork is that hollow between
my ears. Just gonna hafta work it thru. Lar. Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski"
> <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>
> Hi Lar,
>
> Weather don't stop no paperwork, and the oil leak will be 2 long
> days max. Have at it, son!
>
> Good luck, we're pullin' for ya!
>
> Ed in JXN
> MkII/503
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> To: <Kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Fw: Kolb-List: XTRA
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>>
>> Let's try this again.................
>>
>> Larry Bourne
>> Palm Springs, CA
>> Building Kolb Mk III
>> N78LB Vamoose
>> www.gogittum.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: XTRA
>>
>>
>> > Don't wanna pick on 'm yet........he's still brand new. 'Sides ya
>> > still
>> > got me to kick around. :-) In all serious-ness, the
>> > weather
>> > in Furnace Springs finally moderated a couple of days ago, and, as
>> > promised long ago, Vamoose crawled out of his trailer yesterday, and
>> > went
>> > and hid behind the house.
>
>
>
Message 10
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3c/912 flight report addenda |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:59:41 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
John, Richard, Robert et al,
I left several important facts out of yesterday's report (it was late). After
raising the flaps up ~3 Deg. I was able to drop two notches off of my nose-up
trim. I also used my mirror to check the position of my elevators while cruising
at 4800 rpm and 70+ mph and saw that the elevators were flat-level in line
with the horizontal stabilizers. I suspect that the flap adjustment allowed better
trim, reduced drag and improved performance.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3c/912, 15 hrs
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