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1. 03:51 AM - Re: Vibration (Airgriff2@aol.com)
2. 11:37 AM - Re: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) (Jim Ballenger)
3. 01:31 PM - Re: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) (Giovanni Day)
4. 02:06 PM - Re: Running a 912S without a prop? (Jack & Louise Hart)
5. 02:09 PM - Re: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) (Jim Ballenger)
6. 04:29 PM - Re: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) (John Abbott)
7. 05:09 PM - Re: Running a 912S without a prop? (Robert Laird)
8. 06:43 PM - Re: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) (Kolbdriver)
9. 07:14 PM - Waynes accident (woody)
10. 08:05 PM - Re: Waynes accident (ul15rhb@juno.com)
11. 08:12 PM - Firefly flown (herbgh@juno.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
Hi Tom and gang,
I had a vibration also that was puzzeling at one time. You say you get a
vibration in flight & not on the ground. It may be related with airflow and not
the engine. Look for the possibility of something else that could be vibrating
such as gap seals, farings, velcro, BRS straps, eng accessories, etc. that
could be vibrating from air flow. Mine was more like a "sound", that went away
when I reduced the eng rpm. I thought that was related to the engine. What
happened was that the velcro had come loose around the lexan area over the
ballistic chute. The lexan was vibrating as a result of air flow and as I reduced
rpm the plane slowed and the noise went away. I bet if I had tried a run up on
the ground, nothing would have shown up. I may be way off but wanted to mention
it anyway. Good luck.
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
John
I bought 2 ten gallon tanks from Titan Aircraft. All I had to change was
the small tubing that hold the 5 gallon tanks in place.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
>
> Kiwi,
> I'm building an Xtra and have been looking for way to increase the feul
> capacity. Do know what has been done in the past?
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
> > <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> >
> > Thanks John,
> > I might have to look at doing the same on our new Xtra demonstrator or
> > maybe
> > fit a third tank in somewhere.
> >
> > Kiwi
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
> >
> >
> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >>
> >> | Hi John I see that you can carry 20 gal of fuel, what tanks do you
> >> have?.
> >> |
> >> | Kiwi
> >>
> >> Hi Kiwi/All:
> >>
> >> I have been using a Jim Hauck 25 gal fuel tank since day one. Bro Jim
> >> fabricated an aluminum tank for me when we were building my MKIII Feb
> >> 1991. 25 gal ultimate, 25 gal useable. Can squeeze the last drop out
> >> of it.
> >>
> >> Take care,
> >>
> >> john h
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Jim,
What are the measurements and cost? Any photos?
Giovanni Day
MKIII 912 80555
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ballenger
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
John
I bought 2 ten gallon tanks from Titan Aircraft. All I had to change
was the small tubing that hold the 5 gallon tanks in place. Jim
Ballenger Flying a FS KXP 447 Building a MK III X Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott"
> --> <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
>
> Kiwi,
> I'm building an Xtra and have been looking for way to increase the
> feul capacity. Do know what has been done in the past? John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
> > <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> >
> > Thanks John,
> > I might have to look at doing the same on our new Xtra demonstrator
> > or maybe fit a third tank in somewhere.
> >
> > Kiwi
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
> >
> >
> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
> >> --> <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >>
> >> | Hi John I see that you can carry 20 gal of fuel, what tanks do
> >> | you
> >> have?.
> >> |
> >> | Kiwi
> >>
> >> Hi Kiwi/All:
> >>
> >> I have been using a Jim Hauck 25 gal fuel tank since day one. Bro
> >> Jim fabricated an aluminum tank for me when we were building my
> >> MKIII Feb 1991. 25 gal ultimate, 25 gal useable. Can squeeze the
> >> last drop out of it.
> >>
> >> Take care,
> >>
> >> john h
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
==
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==
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| Subject: | Running a 912S without a prop? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 09:20 PM 10/24/04 -0500, you wrote:
>...but, I've also been spoiled because, on a different aircraft, I had an
>Arplast 3-blade prop, and those have GOT to be the best props in the
>world... It had the most powerful thrust I ever felt, and it was so quiet
>I could cruise without ear protection. But they are pricey little cusses.
>
>To be honest, though, I don't know if Arplast makes one that would be
>suitable for a 912ULS... I had mine mated to a Rotax 503.
>
> -- Robert
>
Robert,
One of my hangar mates flys a Magni Gyro. It is powered with a Rotax 914UL
and an Arplast three blade propeller. He has about 600 hours on it with no
problems related to the engine/prop combination.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Giovanni
The tanks measure 13 3/4" X 12" wide X 151/2" high and cost ~ $60 a piece.
I'll send a picture to your email address.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>
> Jim,
>
> What are the measurements and cost? Any photos?
>
> Giovanni Day
> MKIII 912 80555
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ballenger
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
> John
> I bought 2 ten gallon tanks from Titan Aircraft. All I had to change
> was the small tubing that hold the 5 gallon tanks in place. Jim
> Ballenger Flying a FS KXP 447 Building a MK III X Virginia Beach, VA
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott"
> > --> <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
> >
> > Kiwi,
> > I'm building an Xtra and have been looking for way to increase the
> > feul capacity. Do know what has been done in the past? John
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
> > > <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> > >
> > > Thanks John,
> > > I might have to look at doing the same on our new Xtra demonstrator
> > > or maybe fit a third tank in somewhere.
> > >
> > > Kiwi
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
> > >
> > >
> > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
> > >> --> <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > >>
> > >> | Hi John I see that you can carry 20 gal of fuel, what tanks do
> > >> | you
> > >> have?.
> > >> |
> > >> | Kiwi
> > >>
> > >> Hi Kiwi/All:
> > >>
> > >> I have been using a Jim Hauck 25 gal fuel tank since day one. Bro
> > >> Jim fabricated an aluminum tank for me when we were building my
> > >> MKIII Feb 1991. 25 gal ultimate, 25 gal useable. Can squeeze the
> > >> last drop out of it.
> > >>
> > >> Take care,
> > >>
> > >> john h
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
Thanks Jim, I'll follow up with Titan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
> John
> I bought 2 ten gallon tanks from Titan Aircraft. All I had to change was
> the small tubing that hold the 5 gallon tanks in place.
> Jim Ballenger
> Flying a FS KXP 447
> Building a MK III X
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
>>
>> Kiwi,
>> I'm building an Xtra and have been looking for way to increase the feul
>> capacity. Do know what has been done in the past?
>> John
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>>
>>
>> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
>> > <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>> >
>> > Thanks John,
>> > I might have to look at doing the same on our new Xtra demonstrator or
>> > maybe
>> > fit a third tank in somewhere.
>> >
>> > Kiwi
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>> >
>> >
>> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>> >>
>> >> | Hi John I see that you can carry 20 gal of fuel, what tanks do you
>> >> have?.
>> >> |
>> >> | Kiwi
>> >>
>> >> Hi Kiwi/All:
>> >>
>> >> I have been using a Jim Hauck 25 gal fuel tank since day one. Bro Jim
>> >> fabricated an aluminum tank for me when we were building my MKIII Feb
>> >> 1991. 25 gal ultimate, 25 gal useable. Can squeeze the last drop out
>> >> of it.
>> >>
>> >> Take care,
>> >>
>> >> john h
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Running a 912S without a prop? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
Jack --
Thanks for the note.... If I ever get a job, I'll aspire to buy one for my
912ULS, someday!
-- Robert
At 04:09 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
>At 09:20 PM 10/24/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >...but, I've also been spoiled because, on a different aircraft, I had an
> >Arplast 3-blade prop, and those have GOT to be the best props in the
> >world... It had the most powerful thrust I ever felt, and it was so quiet
> >I could cruise without ear protection. But they are pricey little cusses.
> >
> >To be honest, though, I don't know if Arplast makes one that would be
> >suitable for a 912ULS... I had mine mated to a Rotax 503.
> >
> > -- Robert
> >
>
>Robert,
>
>One of my hangar mates flys a Magni Gyro. It is powered with a Rotax 914UL
>and an Arplast three blade propeller. He has about 600 hours on it with no
>problems related to the engine/prop combination.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Jackson, MO
>
>
>Jack & Louise Hart
>jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
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| Subject: | MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver@mfire.com>
The Old Kolb used to make a 17 gal Al. fuel tank. I purchased one with my
Mark III Classic. If memory serves I think it was a $400.00 option...
Did The New Kolb not keep this option???
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Giovanni Day
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Jim,
What are the measurements and cost? Any photos?
Giovanni Day
MKIII 912 80555
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ballenger
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
John
I bought 2 ten gallon tanks from Titan Aircraft. All I had to change
was the small tubing that hold the 5 gallon tanks in place. Jim
Ballenger Flying a FS KXP 447 Building a MK III X Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott"
> --> <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
>
> Kiwi,
> I'm building an Xtra and have been looking for way to increase the
> feul capacity. Do know what has been done in the past? John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
> > <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> >
> > Thanks John,
> > I might have to look at doing the same on our new Xtra demonstrator
> > or maybe fit a third tank in somewhere.
> >
> > Kiwi
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
> >
> >
> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
> >> --> <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >>
> >> | Hi John I see that you can carry 20 gal of fuel, what tanks do
> >> | you
> >> have?.
> >> |
> >> | Kiwi
> >>
> >> Hi Kiwi/All:
> >>
> >> I have been using a Jim Hauck 25 gal fuel tank since day one. Bro
> >> Jim fabricated an aluminum tank for me when we were building my
> >> MKIII Feb 1991. 25 gal ultimate, 25 gal useable. Can squeeze the
> >> last drop out of it.
> >>
> >> Take care,
> >>
> >> john h
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
==
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Sorry for the delay in getting the info back to the list. I know some of
you are wondering about the Slingshot accident last month.
Wayne says the engine started losing power with the 582 and he tried to
make it back to my strip but realized he was not going to make it and opted
for a bean field not far from his home. He reports the Slingshot glides like
a homesick crowbar. All went well except for the last moments when he said
he did not have enough back stick to flair. He continued his descent right
into the ground. The frame took a lot of the shock and even the seat rails
were bent down., the boom tube ring was torn off the boom. The cage is a
total write off, not a single straight tube. Wings and tail are in perfect
condition.
Wayne did not make it through in as good condition. He broke his
sternum (chest bone) and 3 vertibrae in his back were converted to mush. He
is still in the hospital and will be for a few more months with lots of
intensive therapy. His spirits are good and he is talking of rebuilding. He
really enjoyed getting the card signed from all the guys at the homecoming
last Sept. Thanks to all that signed it for him.
The engine still turns freely by hand, maybe to freely. The only problem
I can see is that it did not seem to be using much oil. Would that cause
the slow loss of power after about 45 min of flying? Any other ideas. Temps
were in a normal range.
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| Subject: | Re: Waynes accident |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
Woody,
A few years ago there was another 582 powered Slingshot that crashed
killing its pilot under the same type of conditions. The guy was on his
way to Oshkosh for his first trip in that plane. The engine quit and he
glided for quite awhile in a hilly area with very few landing options. He
happened to change his mind at the last minute for another landing area
and stalled it in a sharp bank. Dove it in hard.
I would almost be willing to wager that it quit when he was throttling
back on his approach to a local airport. Two stroke's will do that if the
idle is not set high enough or it has "loaded up" from a long descent. It
has happened to me a few times.
I always say, don't close the throttle on a 2-stroke engine unless it's
on final. They say to "fly the plane", but if it quit because of this and
there was enough altitude, I'd be tempted to give the starter rope a tug.
I can't remember if he had an electric starter or not but if it did, I'm
sure he pushed the button a few times before giving up maybe distracting
him enough to use up valuable time looking for a suitable landing area.
Ralph
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:23:03 -0400 "woody" <duesouth@govital.net> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> Sorry for the delay in getting the info back to the list. I know
> some of
> you are wondering about the Slingshot accident last month.
> Wayne says the engine started losing power with the 582 and he
> tried to
> make it back to my strip but realized he was not going to make it
> and opted
> for a bean field not far from his home. He reports the Slingshot
> glides like
> a homesick crowbar. All went well except for the last moments when
> he said
> he did not have enough back stick to flair. He continued his descent
> right
> into the ground. The frame took a lot of the shock and even the seat
> rails
> were bent down., the boom tube ring was torn off the boom. The cage
> is a
> total write off, not a single straight tube. Wings and tail are in
> perfect
> condition.
> Wayne did not make it through in as good condition. He broke
> his
> sternum (chest bone) and 3 vertibrae in his back were converted to
> mush. He
> is still in the hospital and will be for a few more months with lots
> of
> intensive therapy. His spirits are good and he is talking of
> rebuilding. He
> really enjoyed getting the card signed from all the guys at the
> homecoming
> last Sept. Thanks to all that signed it for him.
> The engine still turns freely by hand, maybe to freely. The only
> problem
> I can see is that it did not seem to be using much oil. Would that
> cause
> the slow loss of power after about 45 min of flying? Any other
> ideas. Temps
> were in a normal range.
>
>
>
=
>
>
=
>
=
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Hi Group
Last sun afternoon, I flew sn 0032 (new Kolb) from my strip for its
maiden voyage. My second go at test piloting! Pretty sure that I had
my heels on the brakes when I touched down.. My first intro to heel
brakes. The nose cone needs some repair.:-) did someone warn me??
:-) For now a little duct tape will suffice! Other wise a good half
hours worth of flying. Boy!! are those ailerons stiff! Gonna fix that.
Air speed does not work! gonna fix that also. Used both notches of
flaperons . They do not work like my old MkIII flaps!!
Herb in Ky
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