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1. 02:51 AM - Re: Approach Speed (PATRICK LADD)
2. 04:38 AM - Kolbra kit still for sale (Rayfield, Bill)
3. 05:32 AM - Re: Approach Speed (James, Ken)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: Approach Speed (robert bean)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: Approach Speed (Larry Bourne)
6. 07:05 AM - Re: Best Glide.... (David Paule)
7. 08:56 AM - Re: Approach Speed (ul15rhb@juno.com)
8. 09:06 AM - Re: Kolb Landings (PATRICK LADD)
9. 10:08 AM - Re: Approach Speed (ray anderson)
10. 12:22 PM - Re: Vibration (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
11. 12:22 PM - Re: Kolb Botched Landings (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
12. 12:22 PM - Re: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
13. 01:24 PM - BRS chute wanted to buy (chris davis)
14. 01:38 PM - Re: BRS chute wanted to buy (Mark German)
15. 01:42 PM - Re: BRS chute wanted to buy (John Hauck)
16. 03:39 PM - Re: BRS chute wanted to buy (Don Gherardini)
17. 04:40 PM - Re: BRS chute wanted to buy (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
18. 04:43 PM - efis in color (Jerry Curtin)
19. 04:55 PM - Re: BRS chute wanted to buy (chris davis)
20. 06:10 PM - Re: BRS chute wanted to buy (Rusty)
21. 07:16 PM - Re: BRS chute wanted to buy (John Hauck)
22. 07:17 PM - Re: Sebring Sport Aviation Expo (Richard Swiderwski)
23. 08:13 PM - Best Glide Speed (David L. Bigelow)
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| Subject: | Re: Approach Speed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
<< Sailplanes use a recommended final approach speed of 1.5 times the stall
speed with additives for wind gust factor.>>
Hi Dave,
So long since I flew gliders that I had quite forgotten that formula.
We always used `stalling speed plus one third of the windspeed plus 5 knots
for the wife and kids`
Cheers
Pat
pj.ladd@btinternet.com
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| Subject: | Kolbra kit still for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield@kcc.com>
Cockpit of the original demo plane built by the factory. Also, complete
wing and tail kits. Ribs built. A few instruments. No engine.
Asking $11000 (about what an unbuilt kit would cost - without any of the
labor this one has in it)
Kit is in Georgia, 1/2 hour south of Atlanta.
If interested, I can send pics.
Please email off list.
Do not archive
Bill Rayfield
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Since my flying back ground consisted of airframes WITHOUT airspeed
indicators and engines (i.e. Hanggliding) all my landings were dead stick or
dead cross bar :-), Best glide was determined by the sound of the air when
things got quiet I was going to slow and when thing got very noisy I was
going to fast.
Now couple sound with sight, if my targeted landing spot was rising in my
field of view I was not going to make it. (and no pushing out /raising the
nose of the aircraft was going to fix it) If the spot was dropping / coming
under me I was good or long for my glide.
My point is with a engine out listen to your glide and look at your spot,
see and hear what's going on and you won't need to have your head in the
cockpit worrying about numbers. Note: all of this should be done at
altitude and with a idled engine for practice so you can repeat your glide
before trying it for real.
Ken James
Drafting Design Technology Instructor
Berks Career and Technology Center
East Campus
3307 Friedensburg Rd.
Oley, Pa. 19506
610-987-6201 Ext. 3532
Kdjames@berkscareer.com
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| Subject: | Re: Approach Speed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Unless you're trying to plop on a postage stamp I don't see much concern
about approach speed. A little extra will get you past the piney woods.
Having zilch for time in anything like an ultralite, I just bored it
down the chute
at 55-60 mph. -still landed shorter than what I was accustomed to.
Once I get comfortable with my little toy I doubt that I shall even
look at the
ASI anymore. 30 years of flying my old putter and I rarely ever glanced
at it. -Same with my car, just plod along like an old mule. (ask Lar
about
my placid driving)
-BB, MkIIIc sitting in the corner gathering dust. do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Approach Speed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm still trembling..................... :-) Do not Archive
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Approach Speed
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Unless you're trying to plop on a postage stamp I don't see much concern
> about approach speed. A little extra will get you past the piney woods.
> Having zilch for time in anything like an ultralite, I just bored it
> down the chute
> at 55-60 mph. -still landed shorter than what I was accustomed to.
> Once I get comfortable with my little toy I doubt that I shall even
> look at the
> ASI anymore. 30 years of flying my old putter and I rarely ever glanced
> at it. -Same with my car, just plod along like an old mule. (ask Lar
> about
> my placid driving)
> -BB, MkIIIc sitting in the corner gathering dust. do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Best Glide.... |
0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
It must be noted that best rate of climb speed and best angle of climb
speeds probably differ from the best L/D speed and the speed for the minimum
rate of descent becuase the two climb speeds depend on the propeller (and
aircraft) power efficiency, which is dependent upon speed.
If you take the same plane and put a different prop on it, or repitch the
prop you've got, the climb speeds will probably change somewhat.
The reason for this is that rather than the gliding case, where you need to
know the speeds for minimum drag or minimum power required, climb is based
upon excess power available. Hence the efficiency of the prop needs to be
accounted for - and it changes with speed.
Dave Paule
Boulder, CO
FSII
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Fellow Kolbers,
>
> Jeremy's post was very good as far as he went:
> >Best glide speed, all airplanes have one. It is typically the same as Vy
> (best
> climb RATE) it is the speed on the drag "graphs" where parasitic AND
> induced drag are at their COMBINED smallest. Stated slightly different
the
> speed where as little as possible of your "gravity generated thrust"
> is required to maintain airspeed. Going faster or slower will actually
> cause an increase in drag which will require my "Thrust.i.e. more rate of
> descent, to get the higher thrust). Going slower required higher
> angle of attack or higher induced drag (on a higher wing loaded plane like
> the SS, the drag will increase at a higher rate) Going faster causes
higher
> parasitic drag.
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| Subject: | Re: Approach Speed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
Bob and others,
This is how I land my Original Firestar. I take a glance at the ASI on final and
the rest of the time I'm looking at the runway. In heavier winds, I pick up
some more speed. Most grass strips are plenty long that I don't have to be concerned
about slowing down. I'm crossing the fence at 50+mph.
About the only time I'm monitoring the ASI on landing is if I'm coming into a very
short strip and want to land as short as possible. Since I still don't have
brakes, it makes a big difference in how slow I can get it to plop down. The
more calm it is without turbulence, the more I can slow it down.
Try landing on a 300' R/C strip sometime. Fun.
Ralph
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
-- robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Unless you're trying to plop on a postage stamp I don't see much concern
about approach speed. A little extra will get you past the piney woods.
Having zilch for time in anything like an ultralite, I just bored it
down the chute
at 55-60 mph. -still landed shorter than what I was accustomed to.
Once I get comfortable with my little toy I doubt that I shall even
look at the
ASI anymore. 30 years of flying my old putter and I rarely ever glanced
at it. -Same with my car, just plod along like an old mule. (ask Lar
about
my placid driving)
-BB, MkIIIc sitting in the corner gathering dust. do not archive
Now includes pop-up blocker!
Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
<<After the incicent, I went to TNK, got a few hours of dual in thier MK-3
Extra demonstrator, and came home a proper Kolb pilot.>>
Hi Dennis,
I don`t think I replied to this post. I apologise.
I have done likewise and have arranged for 3 hours dual with my dealer as
part of the purchase price.
Cheeers
Pat
pj.ladd@btinternet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Approach Speed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
I'll add my two cents worth, and that's probably all it's worth, about precise
approach speed, etc. I've owned 6 "store bought" taildraggers and 4 homebuilt
taildraggers ( 2 Ultrastars) and I agree with the several who emphasize watching
where you are trying to put it down. A glance at ASI to be certain you are
properly above stall, and if your wanted touchdown is moving back past you, you
won't make it. (Overshoot) Vice aversa is true. If it remains steady in your
windshield, you will make it. Any airplane can be slipped with a little practice
and you should. Keeping a steady approach speed at all costs isn't gonna
do you much good if you are gonna stop in that hedge row or barbed wire fence.
It's not a good time to keep your head buried in the cockpit. Just adapt to good
common sense.
"ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com"
Bob and others,
This is how I land my Original Firestar. I take a glance at the ASI on final and
the rest of the time I'm looking at the runway. In heavier winds, I pick up
some more speed. Most grass strips are plenty long that I don't have to be concerned
about slowing down. I'm crossing the fence at 50+mph.
About the only time I'm monitoring the ASI on landing is if I'm coming into a very
short strip and want to land as short as possible. Since I still don't have
brakes, it makes a big difference in how slow I can get it to plop down. The
more calm it is without turbulence, the more I can slow it down.
Try landing on a 300' R/C strip sometime. Fun.
Ralph
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
-- robert bean wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean
Unless you're trying to plop on a postage stamp I don't see much concern
about approach speed. A little extra will get you past the piney woods.
Having zilch for time in anything like an ultralite, I just bored it
down the chute
at 55-60 mph. -still landed shorter than what I was accustomed to.
Once I get comfortable with my little toy I doubt that I shall even
look at the
ASI anymore. 30 years of flying my old putter and I rarely ever glanced
at it. -Same with my car, just plod along like an old mule. (ask Lar
about
my placid driving)
-BB, MkIIIc sitting in the corner gathering dust. do not archive
Now includes pop-up blocker!
Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Tom, these should be 4130 steel.
Kiwi
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vibration
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> is made from aluminium per the plans but I'm thinking steel might be
> better?
>
> Tom S/All:
>
> My flap P/P rods are 4130 and not vibration problem.
>
> Take care
>
> john h
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Botched Landings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
All, I totally agree, I have thousands of hours and happy landings as an
instructor, and many many in Kolbs.
There is no fault with the aircraft.
Too slow no flare!!!.
Kiwi
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Botched Landings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Patrick L/Gang:
>
> Great to have you back Patrick.
>
> Again, nothing wrong in the landing department of Kolb aircraft except
> the nut behind the stick.
>
> john h
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi Jim, could you send me a photo too please.
Kiwi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
> Giovanni
> The tanks measure 13 3/4" X 12" wide X 151/2" high and cost ~ $60 a piece.
> I'll send a picture to your email address.
> Jim Ballenger
> Flying a FS KXP 447
> Building a MK III X
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> What are the measurements and cost? Any photos?
>>
>> Giovanni Day
>> MKIII 912 80555
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ballenger
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>>
>>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>>
>> John
>> I bought 2 ten gallon tanks from Titan Aircraft. All I had to change
>> was the small tubing that hold the 5 gallon tanks in place. Jim
>> Ballenger Flying a FS KXP 447 Building a MK III X Virginia Beach, VA
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Abbott" <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>>
>>
>> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Abbott"
>> > --> <jrabbott@chartermi.net>
>> >
>> > Kiwi,
>> > I'm building an Xtra and have been looking for way to increase the
>> > feul capacity. Do know what has been done in the past? John
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>> >
>> >
>> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
>> > > <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>> > >
>> > > Thanks John,
>> > > I might have to look at doing the same on our new Xtra demonstrator
>> > > or maybe fit a third tank in somewhere.
>> > >
>> > > Kiwi
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>> > > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Flight Report (touch down speeds)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
>> > >> --> <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>> > >>
>> > >> | Hi John I see that you can carry 20 gal of fuel, what tanks do
>> > >> | you
>> > >> have?.
>> > >> |
>> > >> | Kiwi
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi Kiwi/All:
>> > >>
>> > >> I have been using a Jim Hauck 25 gal fuel tank since day one. Bro
>> > >> Jim fabricated an aluminum tank for me when we were building my
>> > >> MKIII Feb 1991. 25 gal ultimate, 25 gal useable. Can squeeze the
>> > >> last drop out of it.
>> > >>
>> > >> Take care,
>> > >>
>> > >> john h
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>> ==
>> ==
>> ==
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>
>
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| Subject: | BRS chute wanted to buy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
Kolbers, I have made a deal on a beautiful mkIII . After flying alone for 9years
in my firestar I will get to share the fun ! but I need a chute [ wife's rule]
so, does anyone know of a brs 1050 vls or soft pack that some one wants to
almost give away? Thanks ,Chris davis , soon to be owner of Miss B
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| Subject: | Re: BRS chute wanted to buy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mark German" <aerofab@worldnet.att.net>
Chris:
There was one on Barnstormers.com web page listed under Esperimental last
week. He was asking about $1000.00 less then new. Hope this helps.
Mark G.
912 Kolbra
125Hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: BRS chute wanted to buy
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
>
> Kolbers, I have made a deal on a beautiful mkIII . After flying alone for
9years
> in my firestar I will get to share the fun ! but I need a chute [ wife's
rule]
> so, does anyone know of a brs 1050 vls or soft pack that some one wants
to
> almost give away? Thanks ,Chris davis , soon to be owner of Miss B
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BRS chute wanted to buy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
alone for 9years
| in my firestar I will get to share the fun ! Chris davis
Chris/Gang:
Two reasons I went the two place route. One was to register it
homebuilt/experimental, and the other was so my girl friend could fly
with me. That was nearly 14 years ago when I started work on Miss
P'fer. Since her first flight, Nell has probably flown with me a half
dozen times. That averages out to about once every two years. Reckon
that is enough though. Would not want to spoil her.
I have gotten so used to flying alone and having my desk (the left
seat) to put my "stuff" on, so it is handy in flight. Really crowds
me to fly passengers now. ;-)
I hope you never have to fly alone again. That would be great.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: BRS chute wanted to buy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
John,
I read you sir.....right thru to your soul my friend.
I am still trying to get Sue interested more in flight also. She got a ride
in a 2 place quicksilver this summer...was a little airy for her. probably
shouldnt have set that up. Now I am loking for someone to give her a spin in
a little better bird...Kinda like a Kolb!....I think...and hope that she
will enjoy the experience enough to want to share it with me. Also will make
building a 2 seater a little sooner coming!
If ya every get by Central Ill....and find shelby county again on the
sectional...we would welcome a hungry belly from a traveling man....might
make him earn his supper with a ride for her this time!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: BRS chute wanted to buy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Careful Don,
She might just enjoy it enuf to run off with the Kolb pilot!!!
AzDave
> I am still trying to get Sue interested more in flight also. She got a
> ride
> in a 2 place quicksilver this summer...was a little airy for her. probably
> shouldnt have set that up. Now I am loking for someone to give her a spin
> in
> a little better bird...Kinda like a Kolb!....I think...and hope that she
> will enjoy the experience enough to want to share it with me. >
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net>
John, I emailed SportFlyingShop.com and asked if their ultra would ever come
with display in color. They said it will be out by the end of the year. Hope
it's true. Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: SMLA Fly-In
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Ronnie Smith and the boys at South Mississippi Light Aircraft put on a
great
> Fly-In.
>
> I took a lot of photos of a lot of different makes of aircraft but have
> limited the photos on my website to Kolbs.
>
> This list has some very interesting and talented members and I enjoy it
> every time I am able to put a face with an email name. I had a fantastic
> time and three days of super weather.
>
> My updated website can be found at:
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
> click on "Flights in 2004" to find the Shane Smith Memorial Octoberlite
> Fly-In page.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 697 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
> Zenith CH701 Project
> http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BRS chute wanted to buy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
john and all , Other than my wife and kids I have a Dad 85 multi thousand hour
pilot commercial ,instrument , etc. etc . who told me," one thing I want to do
before I go is ,fly that little airplane you built" that was when he was 83 and
I wasn't about to let him solo in my firestar so this is our chance to fly
together in about the same "little airplane ." thanks Homer" .
what do you guys think of a brs 900 for a mk III that would be way under gross
with my wife and I and just about gross for my dad and I. thanks for the help
Chris
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| Subject: | BRS chute wanted to buy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Kolbers, I have made a deal on a beautiful mkIII . After flying alone for
9years in my firestar I will get to share the fun ! but I need a chute [
wife's rule] so, does anyone know of a brs 1050 vls or soft pack that some
one wants to almost give away? Thanks ,Chris davis , soon to be owner of
Miss B
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I'll be selling the VLS chute off the SS I just bought, but I think it's a
900. If it happens to be a 1050, I'll let you know.
As for passengers, I've given up on them. Probably 95% of all my flights in
the RV-8 were solo. My wife doesn't care for flying, though fortunately she
doesn't mind if I do. That's why the RV-8 was replaced with an RV-3. I
never took a passenger in my original SS, and one of the things I'm planning
to do when I rebuild the new one is register it as a single place. Just
don't need a second seat.
Cheers,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: BRS chute wanted to buy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
the
| sectional...we would welcome a hungry belly from a traveling
man....might
| make him earn his supper with a ride for her this time!
|
| Don Gherardini
Don G/All:
Whoooeee! You bet I will.
Don's wife is a fabulous cook. Cooks my kinda cookin'.
I'll be up that way before too long. We'll take Mama flying and then
I can cash in on my "free" meal. hehehe
Seriously, had a good time stopping over at Don's on the way home from
OSH 2003. If he tells you he lives in the country, he ain't lying.
Bet we can land on that little road in front of your house, if the
fences and power lines don't jump in the way. Must be other farm
roads nearby to land on.
Take care, and good to hear from you.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Sebring Sport Aviation Expo |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
I was seriously considering it, but things got a little too busy here. You
could check it out for us for next year!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GeoR38@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sebring Sport Aviation Expo
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 10/15/2004 5:36:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rswiderski@earthlink.net writes:
You sure hit the nail on the head with your assessment of Sun & Fun.
I remember when it was a forum for grassroot experimenters. EAA has caved
into Big Money. All their talk about grassroot aviation seems to me to be
empty words. I still go, but the cost is becoming legal extortion & the
focus becoming more heavy metal aircraft & high price accessories. There
still is some pearls to be found in the forum area.
I got word that some grassroot effort is trying to startup at Deland
FL the same weekend as Sebring. Their website is
www.delandairjamboree.org
doesn't say much but I heard their mail flyer was pushing a
free(donation)/low cost/family environment with bluegrass music & catering
to sport & UL aircraft. Richard Swiderski
hey Rich....maybe we should go?
geo
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| Subject: | Best Glide Speed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David L. Bigelow" <dlbigelow@verizon.net>
As stated in other posts, the best glide speed for a particular aircraft depends
on weight. The heavier the aircraft (more fuel, bigger pilot, passengers, etc),
the higher the best glide speed. The best glide ratio will remain the same
(about 8:1 for an average ultralight),but if you are going faster because of
higher weight, then you get to the ground sooner. Assuming still air, the place
you intercept the ground will be the same for the heavy and light weight.
To add another level of complexity, if you are gliding into a headwind, the best
glide speed is higher than the best glide speed in still air. You are interested
in covering the most ground for a given altitude loss. The best glide speed
(L/D max) is an aerodynamic constant for any given airframe, and is a particular
angle of attack where lift is highest and drag is lowest. The best glide
speed through the air mass will always be the L/D max speed, however if the
air mass is moving, modification of this speed is necessary to cover the most
ground for a given altitude loss.
This is all stuff sailplane pilots learn to maximize the performance of their gliders.
Here are some simple rules:
1. In still air, to cover the greatest distance over the ground - fly best glide
speed for your weight (L/D max).
2. With a headwind, to cover the greatest distance over the ground - add the headwind
to the best glide speed. Since most ultralights are pretty draggy and
do not have a large speed range, do not add over 20 mph.
3. With a tailwind, to cover the greatest distance over the ground - slow down
to a minimum of minimum sink speed. Minimum sink speed is usually just a few
mph above stall speed for most aircraft. If the air is turbulent or you are
close to the ground, some discretion is involved as to how close you get to stall
speed.
4. In sinking air, to cover the greatest distance over the ground - speed up from
best glide speed. It's hard to make yourself lower the nose when the bottom
is falling out, but that is what you must do.
5. In lifting air, to cover the greatest distance over the ground - slow down
from best glide speed to a minimum of minimum sink speed.
6. With your engine running, use the above technique to cover the greatest distance
for a given fuel burn (go the furthest for the least gas).
Dave Bigelow
FS2
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