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1. 05:36 AM - Re: Deland Sport Aviation Expo (GeoR38@aol.com)
2. 06:56 AM - airspeed control or energy management (Edward Steuber)
3. 07:57 AM - best clime speed (boyd young)
4. 01:36 PM - Kip's Firestar on TNK Website (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
5. 04:42 PM - Re: Kip's Firestar on TNK Website (dama)
6. 05:31 PM - Sebring Report (H MITCHELL)
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Deland Sport Aviation Expo |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 10/28/2004 10:18:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rswiderski@earthlink.net writes:
You sure hit the nail on the head with your assessment of Sun & Fun.
I remember when it was a forum for grassroot experimenters. EAA has caved
into Big Money. All their talk about grassroot aviation seems to me to be
empty words. I still go, but the cost is becoming legal extortion & the
focus becoming more heavy metal aircraft & high price accessories. There
still is some pearls to be found in the forum area.
I got word that some grassroot effort is trying to startup at Deland
FL the same weekend as Sebring. Their website is
www.delandairjamboree.org
doesn't say much but I heard their mail flyer was pushing a
free(donation)/low cost/family environment with bluegrass music & catering
to sport & UL aircraft. Richard Swiderski
hey Rich....maybe we should go?
geo
_Map of Deland Highlands, FL by MapQuest_
(http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&countryid=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=address&searchtype=address&
address=+&city=Deland&state=fl&zipcode=&search=++Search++) I will contact
these people and maybe even arrange to set up my toys there...what a blast
that would be...I gotta tent and all....just don't have many toys now, but I
know of some really good ones to sell!!
george
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| Subject: | airspeed control or energy management |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
I have been wanting to get into this thread but didn't want to sound arrogant....You
old timers (not picking on you BB) that have been flying "RAG AND
TUBE" for the last few decades are well aware what an airspeed indicator is
used for...merely to learn what the aircraft sounds and feels like at any airspeed......The
one thing you must understand is that each aircraft sounds different
with changing conditions such as windows open , enclosure on , etc. Extremes
in barometric pressure , temps , or humidity will change how it feels and
performs ...
I have been spraying crops here in western NY with the same Agcat since
1984 and in Agcats back to 1974. I don't look at the airspeed unless I am getting
impatient going to the field with a max load and mushing along. Turns when
spraying are accomplished with the stall light on all the way around the turn.
References are visual OUTSIDE only. Oil pressure and Temp are the most important
instruments in my world ! But when I get in any thing different I have
to go by the numbers just like any New Guy.
You can definitely increase your odds of staying airborne by doing preventive
maintenance and knowing the systems that will keep you there. ( I think
Chuck Yeager said that) I don't know anybody that can keep a spray plane in
the air with a dead engine ! Same goes for Kolbs ! The worst thing that can happen
to a new pilot is an engine out before he can " learn " how his aircraft
feels and sounds at different airspeeds and attitudes....that's why so many GA
pilots bust first landings in ultralights....energy management in glide and touchdown
is different unless you have been flying high drag, low weight aircraft....
Ultrastar
Ed in Western NY
I just realized I may be accused of "bloviating" a bit after
some of my postings on this thread about how much I like the Cuyuna on my
Ultrastar......HA HA !
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| Subject: | best clime speed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
<<<<<<<<<<<
It must be noted that best rate of climb speed and best angle of climb
speeds probably differ from the best L/D speed and the speed for the minimum
rate of descent becuase the two climb speeds depend on the propeller (and
aircraft) power efficiency, which is dependent upon speed.
If you take the same plane and put a different prop on it, or repitch the
prop you've got, the climb speeds will probably change somewhat.
The reason for this is that rather than the gliding case, where you need to
know the speeds for minimum drag or minimum power required, climb is based
upon excess power available. Hence the efficiency of the prop needs to be
accounted for - and it changes with speed.
Dave Paule
Boulder, CO
FSII>>>>>>>>>>
if you change props with different efficiencies you will change the climb rate
but not the best climb speed. the best lift to drag speed will remain the
same wether going uphill with power or downhill in glide.
boyd
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| Subject: | Kip's Firestar on TNK Website |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Hey, Kip -
I browsed New Kolb's recently-updated website today - Congrats on having
your Firestar showcased on the company's official website! Nice pictures.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3 in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Re: Kip's Firestar on TNK Website |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
Cool. I am yet to see it. Their webmaster asked to use the pics but I did
not know that they are up.
Thanks, Dennis...
Kip
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http://www.springeraviation.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kip's Firestar on TNK Website
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL
<Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> Hey, Kip -
>
> I browsed New Kolb's recently-updated website today - Congrats on having
> your Firestar showcased on the company's official website! Nice pictures.
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-3 in
> Cedar Crest, NM
>
> do not archive
>
>
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:30:44 -0400
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Went to the Sport Pilot Expo on Thursday. Not a Kolb in sight. There were several
$50,000-and-up plastic beauties, some Rans and Cub types, Harley and Subaru
conversions and some trikes. There was a good variety of vendors in the big (really
big!) tent. I bought a head set and some Gliem books. Sport Pilot training
books are being promised for December.
The briefings went well but it is apparent that this is going to take a while.
The first batch (January) of LS-CFIs and Examiners will probably be up-trained
GA type CFIs and their main mission will be to train other LS-CFIs and Examiners
all over the country. The rest of us will get trained/examined/certified as
the instructor/examiner base expands and process speeds up.
The EAA types were there in good numbers and they, along with the volunteers, tried
hard and did pretty well for an inaugural event.
Parking was $5/ day.
I am sure it picked up today but yesterday there were almost as many vendors as
there were lookers.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3c/912, 17.1 hours.
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