---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/29/04: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:36 AM - Re: Deland Sport Aviation Expo (GeoR38@aol.com) 2. 06:56 AM - airspeed control or energy management (Edward Steuber) 3. 07:57 AM - best clime speed (boyd young) 4. 01:36 PM - Kip's Firestar on TNK Website (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 5. 04:42 PM - Re: Kip's Firestar on TNK Website (dama) 6. 05:31 PM - Sebring Report (H MITCHELL) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:28 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Deland Sport Aviation Expo --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 10/28/2004 10:18:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, rswiderski@earthlink.net writes: You sure hit the nail on the head with your assessment of Sun & Fun. I remember when it was a forum for grassroot experimenters. EAA has caved into Big Money. All their talk about grassroot aviation seems to me to be empty words. I still go, but the cost is becoming legal extortion & the focus becoming more heavy metal aircraft & high price accessories. There still is some pearls to be found in the forum area. I got word that some grassroot effort is trying to startup at Deland FL the same weekend as Sebring. Their website is www.delandairjamboree.org doesn't say much but I heard their mail flyer was pushing a free(donation)/low cost/family environment with bluegrass music & catering to sport & UL aircraft. Richard Swiderski hey Rich....maybe we should go? geo _Map of Deland Highlands, FL by MapQuest_ (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&countryid=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=address&searchtype=address& address=+&city=Deland&state=fl&zipcode=&search=++Search++) I will contact these people and maybe even arrange to set up my toys there...what a blast that would be...I gotta tent and all....just don't have many toys now, but I know of some really good ones to sell!! george ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:18 AM PST US From: "Edward Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: airspeed control or energy management --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" I have been wanting to get into this thread but didn't want to sound arrogant....You old timers (not picking on you BB) that have been flying "RAG AND TUBE" for the last few decades are well aware what an airspeed indicator is used for...merely to learn what the aircraft sounds and feels like at any airspeed......The one thing you must understand is that each aircraft sounds different with changing conditions such as windows open , enclosure on , etc. Extremes in barometric pressure , temps , or humidity will change how it feels and performs ... I have been spraying crops here in western NY with the same Agcat since 1984 and in Agcats back to 1974. I don't look at the airspeed unless I am getting impatient going to the field with a max load and mushing along. Turns when spraying are accomplished with the stall light on all the way around the turn. References are visual OUTSIDE only. Oil pressure and Temp are the most important instruments in my world ! But when I get in any thing different I have to go by the numbers just like any New Guy. You can definitely increase your odds of staying airborne by doing preventive maintenance and knowing the systems that will keep you there. ( I think Chuck Yeager said that) I don't know anybody that can keep a spray plane in the air with a dead engine ! Same goes for Kolbs ! The worst thing that can happen to a new pilot is an engine out before he can " learn " how his aircraft feels and sounds at different airspeeds and attitudes....that's why so many GA pilots bust first landings in ultralights....energy management in glide and touchdown is different unless you have been flying high drag, low weight aircraft.... Ultrastar Ed in Western NY I just realized I may be accused of "bloviating" a bit after some of my postings on this thread about how much I like the Cuyuna on my Ultrastar......HA HA ! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:23 AM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: best clime speed --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <<<<<<<<<<< It must be noted that best rate of climb speed and best angle of climb speeds probably differ from the best L/D speed and the speed for the minimum rate of descent becuase the two climb speeds depend on the propeller (and aircraft) power efficiency, which is dependent upon speed. If you take the same plane and put a different prop on it, or repitch the prop you've got, the climb speeds will probably change somewhat. The reason for this is that rather than the gliding case, where you need to know the speeds for minimum drag or minimum power required, climb is based upon excess power available. Hence the efficiency of the prop needs to be accounted for - and it changes with speed. Dave Paule Boulder, CO FSII>>>>>>>>>> if you change props with different efficiencies you will change the climb rate but not the best climb speed. the best lift to drag speed will remain the same wether going uphill with power or downhill in glide. boyd ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:43 PM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Subject: Kolb-List: Kip's Firestar on TNK Website --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL Hey, Kip - I browsed New Kolb's recently-updated website today - Congrats on having your Firestar showcased on the company's official website! Nice pictures. Dennis Kirby Mark-3 in Cedar Crest, NM do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:44 PM PST US From: "dama" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kip's Firestar on TNK Website --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" Cool. I am yet to see it. Their webmaster asked to use the pics but I did not know that they are up. Thanks, Dennis... Kip do not archive http://www.springeraviation.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" Subject: Kolb-List: Kip's Firestar on TNK Website > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL > > Hey, Kip - > > I browsed New Kolb's recently-updated website today - Congrats on having > your Firestar showcased on the company's official website! Nice pictures. > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-3 in > Cedar Crest, NM > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:20 PM PST US From: "H MITCHELL" Subject: Kolb-List: Sebring Report Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:30:44 -0400 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" Went to the Sport Pilot Expo on Thursday. Not a Kolb in sight. There were several $50,000-and-up plastic beauties, some Rans and Cub types, Harley and Subaru conversions and some trikes. There was a good variety of vendors in the big (really big!) tent. I bought a head set and some Gliem books. Sport Pilot training books are being promised for December. The briefings went well but it is apparent that this is going to take a while. The first batch (January) of LS-CFIs and Examiners will probably be up-trained GA type CFIs and their main mission will be to train other LS-CFIs and Examiners all over the country. The rest of us will get trained/examined/certified as the instructor/examiner base expands and process speeds up. The EAA types were there in good numbers and they, along with the volunteers, tried hard and did pretty well for an inaugural event. Parking was $5/ day. I am sure it picked up today but yesterday there were almost as many vendors as there were lookers. Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3c/912, 17.1 hours. do not archive