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1. 05:46 AM - my Firestar's longest trip w/o leaving the ground (Clay Stuart)
2. 06:25 AM - Best L over D (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
3. 08:46 AM - Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? (pollus)
4. 09:48 AM - Re: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? (PATRICK LADD)
5. 10:23 AM - 3Xtra (PATRICK LADD)
6. 10:23 AM - Re: Considering to buy second hand Kolb MK3: Where to watchout for? (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
7. 02:12 PM - Re: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? (pollus)
8. 03:59 PM - Re: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
9. 04:23 PM - Re: 3Xtra (Larry Cottrell)
10. 08:14 PM - Rotax 912ULS Break-in procedure (HShack@aol.com)
11. 08:31 PM - Re: Rotax 912ULS Break-in procedure (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | my Firestar's longest trip w/o leaving the ground |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
"I have a unique story of woe and intrigue that I would like to share with
you...
providing a potential lesson in one of the dangers of Kolb ownership, or
more
accurately -- just some light entertainment. The story just ended its
journey
this last weekend. So here goes"
I think that the poor fellow suffers from bipolar disease
(maniac-depressive) with an overlaid buyer's remorse. Sorry about your
experience. No good deed goes unpunished.
Clay Stuart
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
David Paule wrote: << Okay students, please get out a piece of graph paper
... >>
David -
Excellent tutorial! Thanks for sharing, in very basic and understandable
terms, how to compute Vy, Vx, and best L/D for my specific airplane. This
came at just the right time for me, as I'm just in that mode in my
flight-test phase where I'm trying to compute those flight speeds for my
Mark-3.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, Verner-powered
New Mexico
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| Subject: | Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Dear Kolbers,
Still thinking about buying an used Kolb MK3 and enjoying your
replies. Some praise the plane, some woe the day they bought it.
Thanks, keep them coming!
Now I need some practical information. I wonder how long, or far, I can
fly without refueling.
So can anybody give me a hint? What is your average fuel consumption on
a Rotax 582 equipped Kolb MK3, and at which cruise speed? Your milage
may vary depending on height, load etc, but I'd like to get an idea.
To avoid the discussion about which motor is better: In Germany the
Rotax 582 is is the only engine approved for this plane...
Regards,
Pollus Fornerod
Enschede, The Netherlands
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I wonder how long, or far, I can
fly without refueling.>>
Hi Pollus,
Whatever the consumption rate,
there seem to be various ways in which extra tanks can be fitted. Some
legal, some a little dubious. Depends somewhat on your inspectors attitude.
Good luck
Pat
pj.ladd@btinternet.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi all.
Good News!
My dealer, Mike Moulai has just rung to say that he has another order for an Xtra
whuich means that the factory can go ahead and box 2 a/c for despatch, so mine
should be on its way in a few weeks.
Fingers crossed
Cheers
Pat
pj.ladd@btinternet
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| Subject: | Re: Considering to buy second hand Kolb MK3: Where to watchout |
for?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi Pollus,
Our MkIII Xtra 582 at 65Kt burns approx 17 litres per hour.
Kiwi
----- Original Message -----
From: "pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Subject: Kolb-List: Considering to buy second hand Kolb MK3: Where to
watchout for?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
>
> Dear Kolbers,
>
> I am considering to buy the one and (presumably) only Kolb MK3 in
> Germany, from the man who built the plane some 10 years ago and got
> it's type registration through German administration. Only for that the
> man deserves a statue. Now this man is old and lost his medical, so
> there I am looking at a plane without someone to test fly it for me.
>
> I am whise enough not to try to fool around with the thing without a
> proper instruction, but getting the CFI to travel half of germany to
> look at the plane might double the acquisition costs. So I want to buy
> it cheep and howl the plane to my field.
>
> Thanks to the design, it's easy to look at the structure, cables and
> all the push-pull rods. The only problem is: I don't know where to look
> for. I have a bachelor in Physics but that nowhere gets me to the point
> of being a flight mechanic. This day I taxied the kolb around, listened
> at the engine (582) and even dared to hop some inches above the grass.
> That felt good, but that is not yet flying...
>
> So here is my question, for I think you Kolb-builders know things.
> From experience.
> From doing it yourself.
>
> So please enlighten me: what are the weak spots that have to be checked?
> Regards,
>
> Pollus Fornerod
> Enschede - the Netherlands
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Hi Pat!
The plane is equipped with the original 2x5 galon fuel tanks. That
leaves room for improvement indeed. I saw some pictures of beautifully
whelded aluminium tanks, but I doubt if they can be retrofitted without
performing major structural surgery.
Any suggestions welcome though...
Regards, Pollus
Op 3-nov-04 om 18:47 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> I wonder how long, or far, I can
> fly without refueling.>>
>
> Hi Pollus,
>
> Whatever the consumption rate,
> there seem to be various ways in which extra tanks can be fitted. Some
> legal, some a little dubious. Depends somewhat on your inspectors
> attitude.
>
> Good luck
>
> Pat
> pj.ladd@btinternet.com
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Pollus,
My old MK III Classic with a 582 (70 hrs since overhaul) burns about 5
1/2 to 6 gallons per hour and that gives me around 60 mph at 6,000 rpm. Not
near as good as other guys get. Now, I have to mention that we've just been
messing with the prop pitch and I don't think we've got it right, but maybe
that'll give you an idea. By the way, I haven't heard anyone "woeing the
day they bought it." Most folks I know are very happy with their aircraft.
That's not to say that there aren't minor things that they don't like, but I
think Kolb satisfaction is as good or better than any other aircraft.
Good Luck,
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
>
> Dear Kolbers,
>
> Still thinking about buying an used Kolb MK3 and enjoying your
> replies. Some praise the plane, some woe the day they bought it.
> Thanks, keep them coming!
>
> Now I need some practical information. I wonder how long, or far, I can
> fly without refueling.
>
> So can anybody give me a hint? What is your average fuel consumption on
> a Rotax 582 equipped Kolb MK3, and at which cruise speed? Your milage
> may vary depending on height, load etc, but I'd like to get an idea.
>
> To avoid the discussion about which motor is better: In Germany the
> Rotax 582 is is the only engine approved for this plane...
>
> Regards,
> Pollus Fornerod
> Enschede, The Netherlands
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
> Hi all.
> Good News!
> Fingers crossed
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
Must be just like Christmas as a kid. Enjoy!
Larry
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| Subject: | Rotax 912ULS Break-in procedure |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
We have searched through the materials sent by TNK with our engine & find no
mention of a break-in procedure; is there one??
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912ULS Break-in procedure |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
& find no
| mention of a break-in procedure; is there one??
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| Howard Shackleford
Hi Howard/Gang:
The way I understand it is:
1. No breakin procedure.
2. Start out using semi-synthetic or full synthetic engine oil.
Worked for me.
Take care,
john h
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