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1. 12:58 AM - Re: Rotax 912ULS Break-in procedure (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
2. 03:53 AM - Re: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? (Airgriff2@aol.com)
3. 06:29 AM - Re: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? (Giovanni Day)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? (Dallas Shepherd)
5. 08:53 AM - 912uls break-in procedure (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
6. 09:36 AM - "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE READ!] (Matt Dralle)
7. 10:17 AM - 912 (PATRICK LADD)
8. 10:39 AM - Re: 912 (robert bean)
9. 06:19 PM - Props for 582 (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
10. 06:41 PM - Re: Props for 582 (John Hauck)
11. 07:15 PM - Re: Props for 582 (Richard Pike)
12. 07:41 PM - Re: Props for 582 (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
13. 07:57 PM - Re: Props for 582 (John Hauck)
14. 09:05 PM - w/o leaving the ground (possums)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912ULS Break-in procedure |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi Howard,
There is no particular breakin needed with the 912, just avoid full power
settings for prolonged periods for the first couple of hours.
Full power is o.k but for short periods.
Kiwi
Xtra/Jabiru
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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 912ULS Break-in procedure
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> & find no
>
> Hi Howard/Gang:
>
> The way I understand it is:
>
> 1. No breakin procedure.
>
> 2. Start out using semi-synthetic or full synthetic engine oil.
>
> Worked for me.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
Pollus and gang, with interest lately on carring more fuel, you may want
to check out www.speedwaymotors.com and look at their street rod fuel cells.
I mounted a 16 gal. tank in for $85 bucks. You put the fill fitting where you
want it along with the vent and outlet. My outlet is centered on the bottom.
The tanks also have 1" grooves around them to put straps on.
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Pollus,
If the airplane is in good shape, you will love it!!
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
Do not archive
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pollus
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Hi Pat!
The plane is equipped with the original 2x5 galon fuel tanks. That
leaves room for improvement indeed. I saw some pictures of beautifully
whelded aluminium tanks, but I doubt if they can be retrofitted without
performing major structural surgery.
Any suggestions welcome though...
Regards, Pollus
Op 3-nov-04 om 18:47 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
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> I wonder how long, or far, I can
> fly without refueling.>>
>
> Hi Pollus,
>
> Whatever the consumption rate,
> there seem to be various ways in which extra tanks can be fitted. Some
> legal, some a little dubious. Depends somewhat on your inspectors
> attitude.
>
> Good luck
>
> Pat
> pj.ladd@btinternet.com
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
My Mark 3 with the 582 used about four and a half gallons an
hour and that went fast with the two five gallon tanks. I did put a
three gallon tank behind and above them and ran the fuel line
below the five gallon tanks with a shut off that I could reach
with my left hand down by my left side. When I ran the five gallon
tanks for awhile I would switch on the 3 gallon tank and it
would flow by gravity in to the main tanks. Worked good, but
was a bear to refill with a very long funnel from the top.
Dallas Shepherd
Norfork, Arkansas
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From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Pollus,
If the airplane is in good shape, you will love it!!
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pollus
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel consumption of a MK3 with Rotax 582?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Hi Pat!
The plane is equipped with the original 2x5 galon fuel tanks. That
leaves room for improvement indeed. I saw some pictures of beautifully
whelded aluminium tanks, but I doubt if they can be retrofitted without
performing major structural surgery.
Any suggestions welcome though...
Regards, Pollus
Op 3-nov-04 om 18:47 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> I wonder how long, or far, I can
> fly without refueling.>>
>
> Hi Pollus,
>
> Whatever the consumption rate,
> there seem to be various ways in which extra tanks can be fitted. Some
> legal, some a little dubious. Depends somewhat on your inspectors
> attitude.
>
> Good luck
>
> Pat
> pj.ladd@btinternet.com
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | 912uls break-in procedure |
11/04/2004 11:52:47 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
I would only add that I believe the first oil change should come much
sooner than subsequent changes, which can go as long as 100 hrs depending
upon the fuel and oil you are using. Cant remember exactly what was
recommended for first time - maybe 25 hrs? Check the manuals or call Kerry
at Lockwood. Also make sure to download all the relevant updates in the
form of Service Bulletins, Service Letters etc from the Rotax Owners
Association website. The list of recommended oils for the engine is much
more limited than it used to be.
I think you will like that engine. Mine has been good to me.
regards
Erich Weaver
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi,
I have the handbook in front of me and there is nothing about running in.
Ylou can download the whole manual from the Rotax site.
I flew behind the 912 in my Eurostar and there was no trouble at all.
Happy flying
Pat
pj.ladd@btinternet
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
OFFICIAL DIRECTIONS/ how to break in a new engine:
1. bolt engine on plane
2. fly
-BB, genuwyne A&P, forklift, tractor, and hammer mechanic. do not
archive
(however you might check for loose stuff when you get back)
On 4, Nov 2004, at 1:17 PM, PATRICK LADD wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> Hi,
> I have the handbook in front of me and there is nothing about running
> in.
>
> Ylou can download the whole manual from the Rotax site.
> I flew behind the 912 in my Eurostar and there was no trouble at all.
>
> Happy flying
>
> Pat
>
> pj.ladd@btinternet
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
I see a lot of discussion about fuel consumption on here lately and I wonder
how the aircraft are being flown and with what style of prop. I am a couple of
months from launching a MK III X with a 582 and would like some input on prop
preferences. I will go with a 3 blade but know nothing of the good, bad or
ugly for each manufacturer. I would like your input.
I am guesstimating 4 - 4.5 GPH at cruise. So with the 10 gal arrangement I
can get hrs with reserve. Seem like a good starting point?
Thanks
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Props for 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
arrangement I
| can get hrs with reserve. Seem like a good starting point?
|
| Thanks
| Larry
Hi Larry/Gang:
I do not know about the MKIIIx, but have flown a couple hundred hours,
most cross country, in my MKIIIc in 1993, powered by a 582, and pushed
by a GSC 3 bld wooden prop, and also a Warp Drive 3 bld carbon fiber
prop. Fuel burn at 5,800 rpm cruise was 5.0 to 5.5 gph with both
props.
For my purposes, there is only one way to determine what my airplane
engine combo is going to burn. That is flying a cross country flight
for a hour or two at a determined cruise rpm. This seems to give me
to best indication of what my fuel burn is.
Flying around the patch, for me, always gives a much more economical
fuel burn. This info does not give a pilot good cross country flight
planning information.
I have been flying Warp Drive 3 bld carbon fiber, fast taper with
nickel steel leading edges, since Sep 1993, on my MKIIIc. That
equates to well over 2,000 hours experience. During that time have
flown three times to Alaska, in addition to numerous other cross
country flights all over the lower 48 and Canada. I have had perfect
service from the props and from the manufacturer. I find Warp Drive
props reliable, tough, and dependable. They get me out there and back
home. Wish all the components of my airplane were as reliable.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Props for 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Recently got a chance to compare 2 blade vs 3 blade props on my MKIII.
Same brand, same day, same rpms.
The 3 blade is quieter for the folks on the ground but noisier in the cockpit.
The 2 blade is noisier for the folks on the ground but quieter in the cockpit.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:18 PM 11/4/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
>
>I see a lot of discussion about fuel consumption on here lately and I wonder
>how the aircraft are being flown and with what style of prop. I am a
>couple of
>months from launching a MK III X with a 582 and would like some input on prop
>preferences. I will go with a 3 blade but know nothing of the good, bad or
>ugly for each manufacturer. I would like your input.
>
>I am guesstimating 4 - 4.5 GPH at cruise. So with the 10 gal arrangement I
>can get hrs with reserve. Seem like a good starting point?
>
>Thanks
>Larry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Props for 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
John:
Thanks for the quick reply. I agree that some cross country time is needed to
get a true feel for endurance and I am looking for a starting point. Kolb
contends the Xtra is a bit sleeker than the classic so I am optimistic. If Your
props have carried you to Alaska and back without a problem I am impressed. I
have been to Barrow (in my Cardinal) and know there are stretches up there
where you do not want to be looking for prop parts.
Ever try the variable pitch props I see advertised?
Larry
PS How did you carry enough fuel to make some of those legs (Ft. Nelson -
White Horse) and beyond?
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| Subject: | Re: Props for 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Ever try the variable pitch props I see advertised?
|
| Larry
|
| PS How did you carry enough fuel to make some of those legs (Ft.
Nelson -
| White Horse) and beyond?
Hi Larry/All:
Not many folks get a chance to fly to Barrow. I have been extremely
fortunate. My little MKIIIc has flown to Deadhorse 3 times, Barrow
twice, Kaktovik (Barter Island) once, and Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk, NT,
once.
Never tried an inflight adjustable prop, but if one comes along that
is reliable, light weight, and cheap, I'll take it. ;-)
I have a 25 gal useable fuel tank. That is enough fuel to fly me from
Ft Nelson to Watson Lake, and from Watson Lake to Whitehorse. There
are also other places to get fuel: Toad River, BC, has a gravel strip
beside the Alcan, Rancheria, YT, has a service station if you land on
the highway. It is illegal to land on the highway in Canada unless an
emergency. However, in our little airplanes, if we are prudent and
careful, we can land on the Alcan and get auto fuel.
Good luck with your Xtra.
john h
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| Subject: | w/o leaving the ground |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
You guys should try this - it's better than "terra server".
At least try the free "trail version".
The "tilt 3 -D mode"is impressive.
But I'm easily impressed, I'm told.
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