Kolb-List Digest Archive

Wed 11/10/04


Total Messages Posted: 25



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:37 AM - Re: Titan 10 gal gas tanks (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
     2. 02:38 AM - Re: WHOOPS aka Airbus story (PATRICK LADD)
     3. 05:07 AM - Re: 10,000ft (JIM HEFNER)
     4. 05:17 AM - Cabin heater anyone? (Jim Gerken)
     5. 05:55 AM - 10,000 Ft + and the FAA (Tom O'Hara)
     6. 05:56 AM - Re: 912's and MMO (Rusty)
     7. 06:17 AM - Re: Cabin heater anyone? (flykolb)
     8. 06:41 AM - 62" Ivoprop sale (Richard Pike)
     9. 06:42 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10,000 ft. club (John Jung)
    10. 07:40 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 11/09/04 (boyd young)
    11. 08:07 AM - Re: 10,000 Ft + and the FAA (jerb)
    12. 08:17 AM - Re: 62" Ivoprop sale (jerb)
    13. 08:41 AM - Hot start (jimmy and jo ann)
    14. 08:45 AM - Re: 10,000 ft. club (William George)
    15. 09:21 AM - Re: 10,000 ft. club (John Hauck)
    16. 09:21 AM - Re: 62" Ivoprop sale (Richard Pike)
    17. 10:33 AM - Re: Hot start (Lee.Creech@ky.gov)
    18. 10:55 AM - Re: Hot start (kkorenek@comcast.net)
    19. 10:57 AM - Re: WHOOPS aka Airbus story (Jack & Louise Hart)
    20. 11:47 AM - Re: Hot start (Mhqqqqq@aol.com)
    21. 12:19 PM - Re: Hot start (ul15rhb@juno.com)
    22. 03:35 PM - Re: Hot start (Richard Pike)
    23. 05:40 PM - Re: Hot start (Vince Nicely)
    24. 05:40 PM - Airpark ? (Tommy Dubroc)
    25. 05:58 PM - Re: Hot start ()
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:37:05 AM PST US
    From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Titan 10 gal gas tanks
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk> If possible I too would like some photo's of these and the order details. Mike the Kiwi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Titan 10 gal gas tanks > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com> > > I lost my e mail about the tanks and could not find any thing on them > using the search engine. I would like to order 2 tanks from Titan. Would > the guy who had the pictures and purchase info please copy me on them . > Thank you Rick Pearce > > >


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    Time: 02:38:26 AM PST US
    From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: WHOOPS aka Airbus story
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> See my Whoops ERROR ERROR:>> Permission to panic, please sir. So did I. I didn`t realise that there were two `flying stories` circulating and picked up the fact that the passengers sued the airline and applied it to the rocket attack story . Sheesh! I am a twit. Put brain in gear before engaging fingers. Cheers Pat pj.ladd@btinternet.com Do not archive


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    Time: 05:07:48 AM PST US
    From: "JIM HEFNER" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: 10,000ft
    Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:06:50 -0700 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JIM HEFNER" <hefner_jim@msn.com> Time: 04:34:36 PM PST US From: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net<mailto:by0ung@brigham.net>> <Airgriff2@aol.com<mailto:Airgriff2@aol.com>> Subject: Kolb-List: kolb 10,000 ft club --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net<mailto:by0ung@brigham.net>> exclusive 10,000 ft. membership club ? Who's been there? I know the 2 Johns have! Anyone else ? boyd young,mkIII c,,,,, been there and beyond, quite legaly over the rocky mountains. Boyd, gang, I've had my Firefly w/447 up to 10,200 on the GPS, flying around Mt Lemmon here in Tucson. It would go higher but it was too cold up there with open cockpit... wasn't dressed to stay up there long, but it was still able to climb higher. That's with a 2 blade IVO pitched for cruise. About MMO and 447's... I've been using Red Line 2 stroke racing oil at 100:1 + 2oz's of MMO per 5 gal's in my 447 for over 2 yrs and it purrs like a kitten and my temps CHT & EGT are great (right on).... no carboning problems here. Living in AZ where there is no winter down time, the synthetic oil works well.... up North, not a good idea. Jim Hefner Tucson, AZ FF #022 185 hrs


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    Time: 05:17:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Cabin heater anyone?
    From: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
    11/10/2004 07:17:01 AM --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com> I have a custom-made cabin heater for sale. I built it of an automotive (12 volt) blower, a motocross motorcycle radiator (aluminum), and these are ducted together with aluminum sheet. It weighs about 8 pounds, and just fits inside the nose cone of the Kolb Mkiii classic (works well to help correct rear-ward weight and balance problems!). In fact, the rudder pedal return spring is installed in a hole right thru the heater mounting bracket. In addition to the above assembly, it is equipped with enough 1/2" ID rubber hose (all insulated) to get to the base of your liquid cooled engine, and most if not all of the mounting hardware. How you would plumb it into your cooling system I leave up to you. The blower is a two speed unit, and when running in its intended installed position it draws air from under the floor boards, passes it thru the moto-x radiator heating it, and blows it onto the cabin occupant's feet and legs. This heater worked well for me and I hate to see it go but now with an air-cooled BMW engine it does me no good. I would like to see someone get some good from it and so I am offering it to the first person with $40 expressing interest. $40 includes shipping to the continental US for all the above. I do have a couple digital pics of this thing, although since it is all black it is tough to make out a lot of detail. Jim Gerken gerken@us.ibm.com


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    Time: 05:55:15 AM PST US
    From: "Tom O'Hara" <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
    Subject: 10,000 Ft + and the FAA
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom O'Hara" <tohara@alphagraphics.com> I am commercial hot-air balloon pilot who has been lurking on the board as I may be swapping "lighter than air"- heavy as hell for some Kolb wings. The FAA has a program in coordination with NASA to investigate the number of times that pilots "push the FAR's". The program consists of a postcard-- should get at FAA local FISDO- that needs to be mailed within 72 hours of the FAR incursion. If mailed the FAA will not "press charges" for FAR busting (with some exceptions-- like injury, death, etc). The ultra-light community should take advantage of this program now that many are turning to the "light sport" pilots. You might want to keep some of them in your back pocket if you are going for records without proper clearances. I have used the cards twice (once when I went to 15000+) and a friend who flies Lears/Citations for a living keeps a dozen in his flight bag and mailed one last year when he busted a hold altitude going into West Chester. If anyone has an idea (trailer or wants to fly with me from Dallas to PA) as to how to get a Kob to a new home -- would be happy to hear from you. Tom O'Hara--Just full of hot air tohara@alphagraphics.com


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    Time: 05:56:19 AM PST US
    From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: 912's and MMO
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Hi John, Thanks for the info. I know that my Honda generator doesn't mind burning 1 oz per gallon of 2 stroke oil. After the hurricane, I ended up draining gas from the RV-3 to run it. Rusty ------------------------------- I mix MMO as prescribed by the manufacturer: 1 quart to 100 gal. Sometimes I double up on it. I use it in several fuel injected engines: Cummins Diesel (282,000+ miles and smokin') Nissan V6 Take care, john h


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    Time: 06:17:09 AM PST US
    From: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Cabin heater anyone?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com> I'll take it! Jim Mark III Charlotte, NC 704-510-1339 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gerken" <gerken@us.ibm.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Cabin heater anyone? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com> > > > I have a custom-made cabin heater for sale. I built it of an automotive > (12 volt) blower, a motocross motorcycle radiator (aluminum), and these > are ducted together with aluminum sheet. It weighs about 8 pounds, and > just fits inside the nose cone of the Kolb Mkiii classic (works well to > help correct rear-ward weight and balance problems!). In fact, the rudder > pedal return spring is installed in a hole right thru the heater mounting > bracket. In addition to the above assembly, it is equipped with enough > 1/2" ID rubber hose (all insulated) to get to the base of your liquid > cooled engine, and most if not all of the mounting hardware. How you would > plumb it into your cooling system I leave up to you. The blower is a two > speed unit, and when running in its intended installed position it draws > air from under the floor boards, passes it thru the moto-x radiator heating > it, and blows it onto the cabin occupant's feet and legs. This heater > worked well for me and I hate to see it go but now with an air-cooled BMW > engine it does me no good. I would like to see someone get some good from > it and so I am offering it to the first person with $40 expressing > interest. $40 includes shipping to the continental US for all the above. > I do have a couple digital pics of this thing, although since it is all > black it is tough to make out a lot of detail. > > Jim Gerken > gerken@us.ibm.com > >


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    Time: 06:41:17 AM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Subject: 62" Ivoprop sale
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> I have a new 62" 3 blade Ivoprop for sale, $375, that's about $100 off retail. Contact me off list if Interested. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive


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    Time: 06:42:59 AM PST US
    DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=h/I/DLzC4tnlq4JDWIW1v5YIk2yITc4js6yt5udJOP9c1iqQao7M4IzvTjNvhGA+wWLcmPS1bLmaeZNglyYDiXM0VvtCXZjwIsvY6R270gfWGULorDUGbokqmZL7CpRRk9YN3OoVC2M8D0ARFa3Vkwx2kKMdW9lM22IdtjMb7z0= ;
    From: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10,000 ft. club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com> Bob and Group, My 1997 report of a flight to 17,000 feet in an original 377 Firestar is documented in the Kolb list archives as well as on my website: Here is the text from my website: "In the spring of '97, I read in the Kolb newsletter about a flight into Leadville, CO., where a 377 Firestar climbed to 15,000 ASL. The pilot indicated that the plane could have gone higher. That made me wonder how high my 377 Firestar would go. So I gave it a try. I put the throttle to FULL at brake release, and didn't move it again for 44 minutes. At 17,000 feet ASL, and still climbing at 250 fpm, I gave up because I had no oxygen supply along. So I let the engine idle for a minute and then shut it down. What followed was 30 minutes of quiet flight and then a dead stick landing on a local runway. The view was fantastic but it was second to the accomplishment of a flight to 17,000. I normally fly from 1,000 ASL and the carb was not rejetted for the flight. Only 2.5 gallons of gas were used." That flight took place in Wisconsin. Since that flight, I was able to confirm that the altimeter was reasonably accurate with a GPS. I also was able to check my electronic vario, and it read high. The 250 ft/min climb at 17,000 was in reality about 100 ft/min. For anyone interested in seeing a picture of that Firestar: http://jrjung.0catch.com/Original.html John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ > Also John Jung went to 17,000 MSL-- need to here > from him to verify altitude > (AGL) > > Anyone else who achieves this goal can post on the > list or contact me direct > at airgriff2@aol.com > > Fly Safe > Bob Griffin __________________________________ www.yahoo.com


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    Time: 07:40:03 AM PST US
    From: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 11/09/04
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net> Giovanni i think that part is true..... but anything over 10,000 requires a mode c transponder as well........ unless you are within 1500 ft agl. ie going over the mountains. do not archive sorry i ment to say 2500 ft agl..... boyd


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    Time: 08:07:51 AM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: 10,000 Ft + and the FAA
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> Forgiveness doesn't apply if you intentionally break the rules. If you use the card for that purpose your admitting guilt and could be used against you. If you happen to screw up and say happen to enter a class B terminal airspace by accident, then it will protect you. jerb At 08:54 AM 11/10/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom O'Hara" <tohara@alphagraphics.com> > >I am commercial hot-air balloon pilot who has been lurking on the board as >I may be swapping "lighter than air"- heavy as hell for some Kolb wings. > >The FAA has a program in coordination with NASA to investigate the number >of times that pilots "push the FAR's". The program consists of a >postcard-- should get at FAA local FISDO- that needs to be mailed within >72 hours of the FAR incursion. If mailed the FAA will not "press charges" >for FAR busting (with some exceptions-- like injury, death, etc). The >ultra-light community should take advantage of this program now that many >are turning to the "light sport" pilots. You might want to keep some of >them in your back pocket if you are going for records without proper >clearances. > >I have used the cards twice (once when I went to 15000+) and a friend who >flies Lears/Citations for a living keeps a dozen in his flight bag and >mailed one last year when he busted a hold altitude going into West Chester. > >If anyone has an idea (trailer or wants to fly with me from Dallas to PA) >as to how to get a Kob to a new home -- would be happy to hear from you. > >Tom O'Hara--Just full of hot air >tohara@alphagraphics.com > >


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    Time: 08:17:14 AM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: 62" Ivoprop sale
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> Hi Richard, Why are you swapping props - curious and what are you switching to. I've been running an IVO two blade on my 447, it works pretty good but been watching what users are have to say about other props such as Warps, Hot Props, and ProFin. Seems like the adage mileage may vary applies, no good conclusive comparative results. jerb At 09:40 AM 11/10/04 -0500, you wrote: >Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>


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    Time: 08:41:53 AM PST US
    From: "jimmy and jo ann" <hillstw@jhill.biz>
    Subject: Hot start
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimmy and jo ann" <hillstw@jhill.biz> My 503 DCDI (on a Firestar II) starts fine when it is cold, but not after it is hot. I have cleaned the idle jets, checked carbs, etc. It cruises good, temps are ok. Just cannot start it hot. Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions? Thanks. Jimmy


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    Time: 08:45:48 AM PST US
    From: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
    Subject: Re: 10,000 ft. club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com> Went to 10k several times in my 582 powered Mk-3. Leveled at 10k with VSI still indicating 400 fpm looking up at the summit of Mauna Kea. Had HAC carbs on the 582 which worked great. Way too cold up there with only half doors. Here's a shot taken from the Mauna Kea area looking northwest toward Kamuela and the Kohala mountains. http://www.hawaiiscenics.com/gallery/144699/1/5411187 Bill George Hawaii Kolb Mk-3 Verner 1400 Powerfin On Nov 9, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > Here is an update on members so far for the "10,000 ft. club": > Kiwi 11,200 > Richard Pike 10,000 > Dave Pelletier 10,200 > G Haley 13,000 > Terry Swartz 12,500 > Tim 10,700 > Tom Guidros 14,200 > Richard Swiderski 11,600 > > Hav'nt heard from John Hauck or John Williamson. > Also John Jung went to 17,000 MSL-- need to here from him to verify > altitude > (AGL) > > Anyone else who achieves this goal can post on the list or contact me > direct > at airgriff2@aol.com > > Fly Safe > Bob Griffin


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    Time: 09:21:20 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: 10,000 ft. club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> toward | Kamuela and the Kohala mountains. | | http://www.hawaiiscenics.com/gallery/144699/1/5411187 | | Bill George Bill G/Gang: Beautiful pictures and unique landscape. Doesn't look too Kolb friendly for off field landings. Thanks for sharing, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 09:21:34 AM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Subject: Re: 62" Ivoprop sale
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> The prop came with a FSII and a Rotax 503, but we have swapped that engine to a friend for a 65 hp Rotax 582. (Still need to makes several structural mods to beef the FSII up before it is finished, discovered at the Kolb Fly-In that the FSII uses thinner motor mount tubing than the Kolbra, & MKIII, so we are taking the appropriate steps to ensure that the engine doesn't twist itself loose...) The 62" 3 blade is ideal for a 503, but not quite big enough for a 582. I tried this prop for about 15 minutes on my MKIII and it worked OK, but not quite as good as my usual 68" 2 blade. So far, my MKIII (582, 2.58:1 B box) has had a 64" 3 blade, 64" 2 blade, 66" 2 blade and a 68" 2 blade. The 68" 2 blade is best. (good all around performance, quietest in the cockpit, but a hair noisier to the person on the ground than a 3 blade) So with 15 minutes total time on it, the 62" 3 blade needs to find a good 503 to sit on. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 10:20 AM 11/10/2004 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> > >Hi Richard, >Why are you swapping props - curious and what are you switching to. >I've been running an IVO two blade on my 447, it works pretty good but been >watching what users are have to say about other props such as Warps, Hot >Props, and ProFin. Seems like the adage mileage may vary applies, no good >conclusive comparative results. >jerb > > >At 09:40 AM 11/10/04 -0500, you wrote: > >Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> > >


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    Time: 10:33:09 AM PST US
    From: Lee.Creech@ky.gov
    Subject: Hot start
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lee.Creech@ky.gov Like yours, my 503 DCDI has always been easier to start cold than hot. It seems worst when it's been sitting for awhile, sort of lukewarm. Then I never know what to expect: sometimes it will fire right up, sometimes it's a real workout with the pull starter. (This is usually when I'm leaving a fly-in with a lot of people watching.) I have systematically varied my procedure, but have yet to hit on the magic combination. I too would like to know what it is, if there is one. Lee Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: jimmy and jo ann [mailto:hillstw@jhill.biz] Subject: Kolb-List: Hot start --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimmy and jo ann" <hillstw@jhill.biz> My 503 DCDI (on a Firestar II) starts fine when it is cold, but not after it is hot. I have cleaned the idle jets, checked carbs, etc. It cruises good, temps are ok. Just cannot start it hot. Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions? Thanks. Jimmy advertising on the Matronics Forums.


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    Time: 10:55:12 AM PST US
    From: kkorenek@comcast.net
    Subject: Hot start
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: kkorenek@comcast.net My 503 was the same. I shifted to BR8EV plugs gapped to .018 or slightly less and never had the problem again. Never. Ken Korenek Ex- Firestar Arlington, Texas -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lee.Creech@ky.gov > > Like yours, my 503 DCDI has always been easier to start cold than hot. It > seems worst when it's been sitting for awhile, sort of lukewarm. Then I > never know what to expect: sometimes it will fire right up, sometimes it's a > real workout with the pull starter. (This is usually when I'm leaving a > fly-in with a lot of people watching.) I have systematically varied my > procedure, but have yet to hit on the magic combination. I too would like > to know what it is, if there is one. > > Lee > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: jimmy and jo ann [mailto:hillstw@jhill.biz] > To: kolb-list > Subject: Kolb-List: Hot start > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimmy and jo ann" > > My 503 DCDI (on a Firestar II) starts fine when it is cold, but not after > it is hot. I have cleaned the idle jets, checked carbs, etc. > It cruises good, temps are ok. Just cannot start it hot. Has anyone else > had this problem? Any suggestions? > > Thanks. > > Jimmy > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > My 503 was the same. I shifted to BR8EV plugs gapped to .018 or slightly less and never had the problem again. Never. Ken Korenek Ex- Firestar Arlington, Texas -------------- Original message -------------- -- Kolb-List message posted by: Lee.Creech@ky.gov Like yours, my 503 DCDI has always been easier to start cold than hot. It seems worst when it's been sitting for awhile, sort of lukewarm. Then I never know what to expect: sometimes it will fire right up, sometimes it's a real workout with the pull starter. (This is usually when I'm leaving a fly-in with a lot of people watching.) I have systematically varied my procedure, but have yet to hit on the magic combination. I too would like to know what it is, if there is one. Lee Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: jimmy and jo ann [mailto:hillstw@jhill.biz] To: kolb-list Subject: Kolb-List: Hot start -- Kolb-List message posted by: "jimmy and jo ann" <HILLSTW@JHILL.BIZ> My 503 DCDI (on a Firestar II) starts fine when it is cold, but not after it is hot. I have cleaned the idle jets, checked carbs, etc. It cruises good, temps are ok. Just cannot start it hot. Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions? Thanks. Jimmy advertising on the Matronics Forums. _- Browse Digests: http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list


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    Time: 10:57:24 AM PST US
    From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
    Subject: Re: WHOOPS aka Airbus story
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net> At 07:29 PM 11/9/04 -0000, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> > If you would like to see some photos of the plane, they can be seen at: http://coppermine.luchtzak.be/thumbnails.php?album=36 Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, Mo do not archive Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net


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    Time: 11:47:26 AM PST US
    From: Mhqqqqq@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Hot start
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mhqqqqq@aol.com MY 503 (point ignition) is the same way. I think when it is warm the carb bowl gets warm and expands the gas in it to flood the engine. when I try to prime it I make it worse. mark


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    Time: 12:19:50 PM PST US
    From: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
    Subject: Hot start
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com> If it's been sitting for a half hour or less, it should start. Longer than a half hour, give it one shot of primer and turn the prop by hand a few times (make sure the kill switch is turned off). Let it sit for another 15 minutes, and it should start on the first pull. Are the plugs gapped to .015" and clean with a brown tint? The plugs should be tightened snug (I use my calibrated elbow). This can severly affect the starting of the engine if they aren't tight. Some guys don't tighten them enough because they are afraid they might strip the aluminum head. It can be stripped, but it would take quite a bit of force to do it. I have seen plugs work themselves loose. Not good. Ralph Original Firestar 17 years flying it -- kkorenek@comcast.net wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: kkorenek@comcast.net My 503 was the same. I shifted to BR8EV plugs gapped to .018 or slightly less and never had the problem again. Never. Ken Korenek Ex- Firestar Arlington, Texas -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lee.Creech@ky.gov > > Like yours, my 503 DCDI has always been easier to start cold than hot. It > seems worst when it's been sitting for awhile, sort of lukewarm. Then I > never know what to expect: sometimes it will fire right up, sometimes it's a > real workout with the pull starter. (This is usually when I'm leaving a > fly-in with a lot of people watching.) I have systematically varied my > procedure, but have yet to hit on the magic combination. I too would like > to know what it is, if there is one. > > Lee > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: jimmy and jo ann [mailto:hillstw@jhill.biz] > To: kolb-list > Subject: Kolb-List: Hot start > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimmy and jo ann" > > My 503 DCDI (on a Firestar II) starts fine when it is cold, but not after > it is hot. I have cleaned the idle jets, checked carbs, etc. > It cruises good, temps are ok. Just cannot start it hot. Has anyone else > had this problem? Any suggestions? > > Thanks. > > Jimmy > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > My 503 was the same. I shifted to BR8EV plugs gapped to .018 or slightly less and never had the problem again. Never. Ken Korenek Ex- Firestar Arlington, Texas -------------- Original message -------------- -- Kolb-List message posted by: Lee.Creech@ky.gov Like yours, my 503 DCDI has always been easier to start cold than hot. It seems worst when it's been sitting for awhile, sort of lukewarm. Then I never know what to expect: sometimes it will fire right up, sometimes it's a real workout with the pull starter. (This is usually when I'm leaving a fly-in with a lot of people watching.) I have systematically varied my procedure, but have yet to hit on the magic combination. I too would like to know what it is, if there is one. Lee Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: jimmy and jo ann [mailto:hillstw@jhill.biz] To: kolb-list Subject: Kolb-List: Hot start -- Kolb-List message posted by: "jimmy and jo ann" <HILLSTW@JHILL.BIZ> My 503 DCDI (on a Firestar II) starts fine when it is cold, but not after it is hot. I have cleaned the idle jets, checked carbs, etc. It cruises good, temps are ok. Just cannot start it hot. Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions? Thanks. Jimmy advertising on the Matronics Forums. _- Browse Digests: http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores.


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    Time: 03:35:15 PM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Subject: Hot start
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> The 532 I had in the Anglin J-6 was like that, a real pain to start once it was warm, hot, or anything but cold. Couldn't figure out why. I started carrying a spray can of ether (starting fluid) with me, gave it a shot in the air cleaner just before I pulled it over. Worked every time. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 01:32 PM 11/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lee.Creech@ky.gov > >Like yours, my 503 DCDI has always been easier to start cold than hot. It >seems worst when it's been sitting for awhile, sort of lukewarm. Then I >never know what to expect: sometimes it will fire right up, sometimes it's a >real workout with the pull starter. (This is usually when I'm leaving a >fly-in with a lot of people watching.) I have systematically varied my >procedure, but have yet to hit on the magic combination. I too would like >to know what it is, if there is one. > >Lee > >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: jimmy and jo ann [mailto:hillstw@jhill.biz] >To: kolb-list >Subject: Kolb-List: Hot start > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimmy and jo ann" <hillstw@jhill.biz> > >My 503 DCDI (on a Firestar II) starts fine when it is cold, but not after >it is hot. I have cleaned the idle jets, checked carbs, etc. >It cruises good, temps are ok. Just cannot start it hot. Has anyone else >had this problem? Any suggestions? > >Thanks. > >Jimmy > > >advertising on the Matronics Forums. > >


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    Time: 05:40:53 PM PST US
    From: "Vince Nicely" <vincenic@xtn.net>
    Subject: Re: Hot start
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vince Nicely" <vincenic@xtn.net> Hi Jimmy, You said: > My 503 DCDI (on a Firestar II) starts fine when it is cold, but not after it is hot. I have cleaned the idle jets, checked carbs, etc. > It cruises good, temps are ok. Just cannot start it hot. Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions? I had this problem with symptoms you describe on my 503 DCDI on my Firestar for years. I would usually notice that a new set of plugs would fix the problem for a while. Then, owing to a note on this list, I have started making sure my plugs are gapped in the mid to lower region specified in the Rotax manual (0.014-0.016) and the problem has disappeared - even on plugs substantanially over 25 hours. I noticed that Ralph said, "Are the plugs gapped to .015" and clean with a brown tint? ". I guess I am echoing what he said with added emphasis. Vince Nicely Firestar II 350 Hours


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    Time: 05:40:53 PM PST US
    From: "Tommy Dubroc" <TandCDubroc@centurytel.net>
    Subject: Airpark ?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tommy Dubroc" <TandCDubroc@centurytel.net> Hello Group, Off topic but may be of interest to some. I'm retiring and selling our home and 46 acres in central Louisiana. Would make a good airpark, for details e-mail me off-list. Tommy Do not archive


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    Time: 05:58:04 PM PST US
    From: <buckeridge1@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Hot start
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: <buckeridge1@mindspring.com> Seems like we all have different solutions to the problem. Mine is a 447 CDI and if I went somewhere I knew I had to leave in five minutes or wait a half hour. I'd work up a real sweat trying to start it in between those two times...not that this fat guy doesn't need some exercise. The solution for me was to crack the throttle about a quarter of an inch. Now when it won't start after a half-dozen pulls, I just reach over and flip the ignition switch ON!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimmy and jo ann" <hillstw@jhill.biz> Subject: Kolb-List: Hot start > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jimmy and jo ann" <hillstw@jhill.biz> > > My 503 DCDI (on a Firestar II) starts fine when it is cold, but not after > it is hot. I have cleaned the idle jets, checked carbs, etc. > It cruises good, temps are ok. Just cannot start it hot. Has anyone > else had this problem? Any suggestions? > > Thanks. > > Jimmy > > >




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