Kolb-List Digest Archive

Fri 11/12/04


Total Messages Posted: 24



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:54 AM - Re: 10 K Club (WillUribe@aol.com)
     2. 03:04 AM - Re: 10K Club (WillUribe@aol.com)
     3. 05:22 AM - Re: 10K Club (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
     4. 08:15 AM - Re: 10K Club (Lee.Creech@ky.gov)
     5. 08:37 AM - 912 cold start ()
     6. 08:37 AM - Re: 10K Club (David M. Lehman)
     7. 08:46 AM - Re: 912 cold start (russkinne)
     8. 09:05 AM - Re: 10,000 ft. club (William George)
     9. 09:19 AM - Re: 10 K Club (jerb)
    10. 09:56 AM - Re: 10 K Club (ray anderson)
    11. 09:59 AM - Re: 912 cold start (Thom Riddle)
    12. 11:01 AM - Sun n fun (PATRICK LADD)
    13. 04:28 PM - Re: Old Kolb Kxx Kit & Rotax 503 (Jerry Curtin)
    14. 04:31 PM - Sport pilot rating / Experimental aircraft. (Jason Omelchuck)
    15. 04:41 PM - Re: Sport pilot rating / Experimental aircraft. (David M. Lehman)
    16. 05:15 PM - Re: Where to install water temp. sensor on 912ULS? (HShack@aol.com)
    17. 05:53 PM - whoopps air buss story (boyd young)
    18. 06:12 PM - Re: 10 K Club (Jim Baker)
    19. 06:18 PM - Re: 912 cold start (Edward Chmielewski)
    20. 08:02 PM - Re: 10 K Club (The Kuffels)
    21. 08:06 PM - nice flight & 4 stroke up date (Dan Charter)
    22. 08:12 PM - Re: 10 K Club (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
    23. 08:51 PM - Re: Where to install water temp. sensor on 912ULS? (John Hauck)
    24. 10:07 PM - Re: 10 K Club (Jim Baker)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:54:07 AM PST US
    From: WillUribe@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 10 K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com Maybe one can assume that a pilot may have had radar on board the day they did the flight ?=A0 ;-) Will Uribe El Paso, TX FireStar II N4GU C-172 N2506U http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ Do not Archive =A0 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Chmielewski" < edchmiel@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 10 K Club > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward=A0 Chmielewski" < edchmiel@mindspring.com> > > Hi Ellery/Kolbers, > >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I think it's 10,000 MSL.=A0 How would one know AGL reliably at that height? > > Do not archive.


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    Time: 03:04:53 AM PST US
    From: WillUribe@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 10K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com So I would have to fly above 14,000 ft MSL to be at 10,000 ft AGL without mode C and no oxygen? :-0 Regards, Will Uribe El Paso, TX FireStar II N4GU C-172 N2506U http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ Do not Archive >Or we can keep everyone down as achieving=A0 the altitude of 10,000 > ft AGL PERIOD.=A0 I guess I'll keep it at 10,000ft. The certificates will state > that the pilot has achieved flying his Kolb aircraft to an altitude gain of > 10,000 feet above the ground.


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    Time: 05:22:41 AM PST US
    From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
    Subject: Re: 10K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net> Yeah, same as me Will. Our field elevation is 4,400 so I would have to go to 14,400 to join the club. AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: <WillUribe@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 10K Club > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com > > So I would have to fly above 14,000 ft MSL to be at 10,000 ft AGL without > mode C and no oxygen? :-0 > > Regards, > Will Uribe > El Paso, TX > FireStar II N4GU > C-172 N2506U > http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ > Do not Archive > > >>Or we can keep everyone down as achieving=A0 the altitude of 10,000 >> ft AGL PERIOD.=A0 I guess I'll keep it at 10,000ft. The certificates will > state >> that the pilot has achieved flying his Kolb aircraft to an altitude gain >> of > >> 10,000 feet above the ground. > > >


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    Time: 08:15:16 AM PST US
    From: Lee.Creech@ky.gov
    Subject: 10K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lee.Creech@ky.gov It seems to me that the qualifying altitude should be MSL, not AGL, so as to not unfairly penalize people who fly out of high-altitude strips . . . :) Lee Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Dave & Eve Pelletier [mailto:pelletier@cableone.net] Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 10K Club --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" --> <pelletier@cableone.net> Yeah, same as me Will. Our field elevation is 4,400 so I would have to go to 14,400 to join the club. AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: <WillUribe@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 10K Club > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com > > So I would have to fly above 14,000 ft MSL to be at 10,000 ft AGL > without mode C and no oxygen? :-0 > > Regards, > Will Uribe > El Paso, TX > FireStar II N4GU > C-172 N2506U > http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ > Do not Archive > > >>Or we can keep everyone down as achieving=A0 the altitude of 10,000 >>ft AGL PERIOD.=A0 I guess I'll keep it at 10,000ft. The certificates >>will > state >> that the pilot has achieved flying his Kolb aircraft to an altitude >> gain >> of > >> 10,000 feet above the ground. > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums.


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    Time: 08:37:02 AM PST US
    From: <sabean@ns.sympatico.ca>
    Subject: 912 cold start
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: <sabean@ns.sympatico.ca> As the temperatures are starting to drop up here in the great white north, I'm having trouble starting the 912 when the temp is just above the freezing point. Engine has choke system but no primer. It will usually start but it takes a lot of cranking. I've checked the archives and haven't found much information other than making sure the plugs are gapped to .5 which I have done. Any other suggestions which might help? Thanks Tom Sabean Mk3x 912 Warp


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    Time: 08:37:11 AM PST US
    From: "David M. Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
    Subject: 10K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David M. Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net> Yeah, takeoff from Leadville, Colorado and you'd have to climb to 19,927' MSL in order to be 10,000' AGL... DVD Quoting Lee.Creech@ky.gov: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Lee.Creech@ky.gov > > It seems to me that the qualifying altitude should be MSL, not AGL, so as to > not unfairly penalize people who fly out of high-altitude strips . . . :) > > Lee > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave & Eve Pelletier [mailto:pelletier@cableone.net] > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 10K Club > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > --> <pelletier@cableone.net> > > Yeah, same as me Will. Our field elevation is 4,400 so I would have to go > to 14,400 to join the club. > > AzDave > > Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <WillUribe@aol.com> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 10K Club > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com > > > > So I would have to fly above 14,000 ft MSL to be at 10,000 ft AGL > > without mode C and no oxygen? :-0 > > > > Regards, > > Will Uribe > > El Paso, TX > > FireStar II N4GU > > C-172 N2506U > > http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ > > Do not Archive > > > > > >>Or we can keep everyone down as achieving=A0 the altitude of 10,000 > >>ft AGL PERIOD.=A0 I guess I'll keep it at 10,000ft. The certificates > >>will > > state > >> that the pilot has achieved flying his Kolb aircraft to an altitude > >> gain > >> of > > > >> 10,000 feet above the ground. > > > > > > > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > Man must feel the earth to know himself and recognize his values... God made life simple. It is man who complicates it... -Charles Lindbergh


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    Time: 08:46:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 912 cold start
    From: russkinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: russkinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net> on 11/12/04 11:36 AM, sabean@ns.sympatico.ca at sabean@ns.sympatico.ca wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: <sabean@ns.sympatico.ca> > > As the temperatures are starting to drop up here in the great white north, I'm > having trouble starting the 912 when the temp is just above the freezing > point. Engine has choke system but no primer. It will usually start but it > takes a lot of cranking. > I've checked the archives and haven't found much information other than making > sure the plugs are gapped to .5 which I have done. > Any other suggestions which might help? > > Thanks > Tom Sabean > Mk3x 912 Warp > > > > > > I don't think you really mean a .5 gap? Do not archivbe


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    Time: 09:05:03 AM PST US
    From: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
    Subject: Re: 10,000 ft. club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com> On Nov 11, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" > <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> > > shot taken from the Mauna Kea ! > > Hi Bill, > superb photography. Congratulatons. > > Pat Aloha Pat, John and all, Thank you for your kind comments. Amazingly, there are only a few days a year, even in this gorgeous climate, when you can get the right conditions for shooting. I was lucky on a few occasions. do not archive Bill George Hawaii Kolb Mk-3 Verner 1400 Powerfin


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    Time: 09:19:34 AM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: 10 K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> Over 10K MSL would be in violation of a FAR requiring transponders over 10K MSL. ASL is good for sky divers, but for normal aircraft is means nothing as it has no reference point other than to the specific point where you set your altimeter to zero thus the reason MSL is used as it referenced to sea level and everyone uses it except poor trained UL pilots. Why I say that, if they understood what they were doing they wouldn't do it and would conform to using MSL like most aviation uses. When traffic reports an altitude it good to know where there at relative to your altitude. Without both using the same reference you can't tell. Give it some thought the next time your on one of those human mailing tubes. jerb At 12:29 AM 11/12/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" ><edchmiel@mindspring.com> > >Hi Ellery/Kolbers, > > I think it's 10,000 MSL. How would one know AGL reliably at that > height? > >Do not archive. > >Ed in JXN >MkII/503 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <ElleryWeld@aol.com> >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 10 K Club > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com > > > > As soon as I get a chance and a nice warm day I plan on making the > 10,000 AGL > > club > > > > > > > Original Firestar > > > > > > > Ellery In Maine > > > >


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    Time: 09:56:09 AM PST US
    DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=OdNvj6ESoycluGe3gh2vm9BPIznzSq9tuxwrmktBlV5srsR2wfrwlztz7IjKPrlM+aTTJOFakT5e5nqKwA92dyxAAJ5TwVfRh7g6QvLLCO9w+Ysvs96g0meyJGptFdSEKp+oOn4BV4sVd/TOVDlO/URyH+X3p/o2GhihRpPf9SI= ;
    From: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: 10 K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com> All had better read the FAR's again. Some of you have already publically admitted violating a rule the Feds take seriously. You could get an unpleasant call from a hard nosed inspector slapping you with an unpleasant fine and yanking your license. They take very seriously any DELIBERATE incursion into regulated airspace, and several of you have !! Your certificates had better note 10,000 ft above MSL if you expect to publically display them around an airport where an FAA field inspector may be snooping around. You also don't know who might read these forums. Besides, we have worked hard to get FAA to set up the new Sport Pilots rules and regs. and shouldn't get in their face with bragging about violating a serious reg. It can hurt the entire UltraLight community. They gave us this new lease of life for the light airplane industry with the assurance from EAA and the UltraLight groups that we were mature enough now to practice self discipline and oversight to discourage some of the violations mentioned here. jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Over 10K MSL would be in violation of a FAR requiring transponders over 10K MSL. ASL is good for sky divers, but for normal aircraft is means nothing as it has no reference point other than to the specific point where you set your altimeter to zero thus the reason MSL is used as it referenced to sea level and everyone uses it except poor trained UL pilots. Why I say that, if they understood what they were doing they wouldn't do it and would conform to using MSL like most aviation uses. When traffic reports an altitude it good to know where there at relative to your altitude. Without both using the same reference you can't tell. Give it some thought the next time your on one of those human mailing tubes. jerb At 12:29 AM 11/12/04 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" > > >Hi Ellery/Kolbers, > > I think it's 10,000 MSL. How would one know AGL reliably at that > height? > >Do not archive. > >Ed in JXN >MkII/503 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 10 K Club > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com > > > > As soon as I get a chance and a nice warm day I plan on making the > 10,000 AGL > > club > > > > > > > Original Firestar > > > > > > > Ellery In Maine > > > > ---------------------------------


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    Time: 09:59:06 AM PST US
    From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
    Subject: RE: 912 cold start
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net> I have an electric boost pump that I use in cold weather on my 912. It is in essence a primer, in that it makes sure the carb bowl has fuel, and that is all it does. I run it for just a few seconds, turn it off and use full carb enricher (it is not really a choke). The carb enricher does not work like a butterfly choke, it simply enriches the mixture and has no effect on the air intake. The Bing Carb enricher WILL NOT WORK WITH THE THROTTLE OPEN, so be sure you have the enricher on full and the throttle completely closed when cranking. In cold weather, after it starts, gradually reduce the enricher until it runs smoothly at normal idle speed. Depending upon how your idle is set, it may or may not take a little bit of throttle as you gradually reduce the enricher. In warmer weather, the enricher can be shut off almost immediately after starting. Thom Riddle FAA Powerplant Mechanic Buffalo, NY As the temperatures are starting to drop up here in the great white north, I'm having trouble starting the 912 when the temp is just above the freezing point. Engine has choke system but no primer. It will usually start but it takes a lot of cranking. I've checked the archives and haven't found much information other than making sure the plugs are gapped to .5 which I have done. Any other suggestions which might help? Thanks Tom Sabean Mk3x 912 Warp


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    Time: 11:01:07 AM PST US
    From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Sun n fun
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> Hi all, has anyone any particular recommendations for somewhere to stay for a couple of days at Sun N Fun? Reasonable hotel or B and B. Camping is OUT! I have checked the listings on the net but would welcome any input. Cheers Pat pj.ladd@btinternet.com Do not archive


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    Time: 04:28:10 PM PST US
    From: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net>
    Subject: Re: Old Kolb Kxx Kit & Rotax 503
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net> Hello Jerb, If the parts are for sale, I would be interested and would pay a fair price as I want to do some considerable alterations and a kit not built would suit me just fine. Please let me know. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net> Subject: Kolb-List: Old Kolb Kxx Kit & Rotax 503 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> > > Folks, > A friend recently passed away. He had a Kolb pre 1993 Kxx (FireStar?) > kit. He had all the parts but pulling them together might be > challenge. If the main parts main parts could be pulled together like > fuselage, tail boom all weldments, tubing, spars, pre-assembled ribs, gear > legs, wheels & brakes, fuel tank, what would it be worth? > He also had a Rotax 503 he purchased through LEAF. Can't get to it right > now to determine if its a point or Ducati ignition, also what provision > gear box. I don't think it had been run but can't determine it until it > looked at. Having set for this long the engine should be gone over and new > seals installed. I recall him saying some thing to the effect that LEAF > had screwed him as it was suppose to have been a new engine but when he got > it, he convinced it had been run. Having seen it in the past my gut feel > it has been run for a short period, has point ignition, for now say it has > one carbs, set up for premix no oil injection, and prov. 8 gear box. > > Would it be worth purchasing as a trade in to take advantage of the engine > exchange being offered by Rotax or is it worth more just selling it > straight out as is. > jerb > >


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    Time: 04:31:50 PM PST US
    From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
    Subject: Sport pilot rating / Experimental aircraft.
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com> I have read the rules and could not determine if what I want to do is legal. I would like to register my MKIII Experimental, but only get my sport pilots license. I think this is best because it gives me the rights to do my own maint on the aircraft, and since the aircraft fits the Sport Plane category, I can fly it with the Sport Pilot rating. The thing I am unsure of is the required fly off period (40 hours). Can a person with a Sport Pilot rating fly off the required time in an Experimental aircraft? If you know, please comment.


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    Time: 04:41:51 PM PST US
    From: "David M. Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net>
    Subject: Re: Sport pilot rating / Experimental aircraft.
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David M. Lehman" <david@davidlehman.net> As long as the experimental aircraft meets the Sport Aircraft criteria, the answer is yes... DVD Quoting Jason Omelchuck <jason@trek-tech.com>: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com> > > I have read the rules and could not determine if what I want to do is legal. > I would like to register my MKIII Experimental, but only get my sport pilots > license. I think this is best because it gives me the rights to do my own > maint on the aircraft, and since the aircraft fits the Sport Plane category, > I can fly it with the Sport Pilot rating. The thing I am unsure of is the > required fly off period (40 hours). Can a person with a Sport Pilot rating > fly off the required time in an Experimental aircraft? If you know, please > comment. > > Man must feel the earth to know himself and recognize his values... God made life simple. It is man who complicates it... -Charles Lindbergh


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    Time: 05:15:05 PM PST US
    From: HShack@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Where to install water temp. sensor on 912ULS?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com My best guess is at the water pump outlet. It's surprising that one doesn't come with the engine. Howard Shackleford FS II SC


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    Time: 05:53:46 PM PST US
    From: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
    Subject: whoopps air buss story
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net> Sheesh! I am a twit. Put brain in gear before engaging fingers. Cheers Pat if you were the first to engage the fingers without thinking,,,, then it would be sad..... but since the rest of us have done the same, i say welcome to the club. boyd do not archive ----------------------------- My 503 DCDI (on a Firestar II) starts fine when it is cold, but not after it is hot. I have cleaned the idle jets, checked carbs, etc. It cruises good, temps are ok. Just cannot start it hot. Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions? Thanks. Jimmy without knowing much about your setup my first guess is idle jet a bit too rich..... when it is cold it is not a problem ... but when hot the fuel is vaproizing more completely...... try opening the throttle a bit more when cranking, or pulling the starter.... only a guess in the dark without knowing the specifics. boyd


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    Time: 06:12:58 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com>
    Subject: Re: 10 K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com> > Your certificates had better note > 10,000 ft above MSL if you expect to publically display them > around an airport where an FAA field inspector may be snooping > around. The facts....... Sec. 91.215 - ATC transponder and altitude reporting equipment and use. (a) All airspace: U.S.-registered civil aircraft. For operations not conducted under part 121 or 135 of this chapter, ATC transponder equipment installed must meet the performance and environmental requirements of any class of TSO-C74b (Mode A) or any class of TSO-C74c (Mode A with altitude reporting capability) as appropriate, or the appropriate class of TSO-C112 (Mode S). (b) All airspace. Unless otherwise authorized or directed by ATC, no person may operate an aircraft in the airspace described in paragraphs (b)(1) through (b)(5) of this section, unless that aircraft is equipped with an operable coded radar beacon transponder having either Mode 3/A 4096 code capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogations with the code specified by ATC, or a Mode S capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogations with the code specified by ATC and intermode and Mode S interrogations in accordance with the applicable provisions specified in TSO C-112, and that aircraft is equipped with automatic pressure altitude reporting equipment having a Mode C capability that automatically replies to Mode C interrogations by transmitting pressure altitude information in 100-foot increments. This requirement applies -- (1) All aircraft. In Class A, Class B, and Class C airspace areas; (2) All aircraft. In all airspace within 30 nautical miles of an airport listed in appendix D, section 1 of this part from the surface upward to 10,000 feet MSL; (3) Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(2) of this section, any aircraft which was not originally certificated with an engine- driven electrical system or which has not subsequently been certified with such a system installed, balloon or glider may conduct operations in the airspace within 30 nautical miles of an airport listed in appendix D, section 1 of this part provided such operations are conducted -- (i) Outside any Class A, Class B, or Class C airspace area; and (ii) Below the altitude of the ceiling of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an airport or 10,000 feet MSL, whichever is lower; and (4) All aircraft in all airspace above the ceiling and within the lateral boundaries of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an airport upward to 10,000 feet MSL; and (5) All aircraft except any aircraft which was not originally certificated with an engine-driven electrical system or which has not subsequently been certified with such a system installed, balloon, or glider -- -- (i) In all airspace of the 48 contiguous states and the District of Columbia at and above 10,000 feet MSL, excluding the airspace at and below 2,500 feet above the surface; and (ii) In the airspace from the surface to 10,000 feet MSL within a 10- nautical-mile radius of any airport listed in appendix D, section 2 of this part, excluding the airspace below 1,200 feet outside of the lateral boundaries of the surface area of the airspace designated for that airport. For our purposes.... 1. Our planes are "air recreational vehicles" , not aircraft, if kept within the definition of "UltraLight"...which admittedly, most are not..... 2. Your craft, as powered by a non-certificated engine, may be considered not to have had an electrical system. Indeed, there are probably few, if any, certificated UL or Experimental aircraft out there. For Experimental aircraft....AC 20-27E says..... 7. FAA INSPECTION CRITERIA. a. The amateur-built program is designed to permit persons to build an aircraft solely for educational or recreational purposes utilizing acceptable aeronautical construction standards and practices. Amateur builders are free to develop their own designs or build from existing designs. The FAA does not approve those designs nor would it be practical to develop design standards for the multitude of unique design configurations generated by designers, kit manufacturers, and amateur builders. Upon completion of the building process, the FAA inspects the aircraft, to verify to the extent feasible, the use of acceptable workmanship methods, techniques, and practices, and then issues anairworthiness certificate with appropriate operating limitations. For this you get an airworthiness certificate, not a certificated aircraft, which is another thing entirely. So the Experimental aircraft generally fall outside of the "certificated with engine driven electrical system" rule (at least that's what my FSDO leads me to believe....I could be wrong on this point). FAA 7110.65, ATC handbook, states.... 5-2-21. INFLIGHT DEVIATIONS FROM TRANSPONDER/MODE C REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN 10,000 FEET AND 18,000 FEET Apply the following procedures to requests to deviate from the Mode C transponder requirement by aircraft operating in the airspace of the 48 contiguous states and the District of Columbia at and above 10,000 feet MSL and below 18,000 feet MSL, excluding the airspace at and below 2,500 feet AGL. NOTE- 1. 14 CFR Section 91.215(b) provides, in part, that all U.S. registered civil aircraft must be equipped with an operable, coded radar beacon transponder when operating in the altitude stratum listed above. Such transponders shall have a Mode 3/A 4096 code capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogation with the code specified by ATC, or a Mode S capability, replying to Mode 3/A interrogations with the code specified by ATC. The aircraft must also be equipped with automatic pressure altitude reporting equipment having a Mode C capability that automatically replies to Mode C interrogations by transmitting pressure altitude information in 100-foot increments. 2. The exception to 14 CFR Section 91.215 (b) is 14 CFR Section 91.215(b)(5) which states: except balloons, gliders, and aircraft without engine-driven electrical systems. So....unless you're a certificated aircraft with a certificated engine driven electrical system, 10k doesn't apply to you. If you have no electricity, you have no radio requirement and cannot request the waiver and additionally have no transponder requirement either. Enough of this stuff.........go fly. Jim Baker 580.788.2779 '71 SV, 492TC Elmore City, OK


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    Time: 06:18:45 PM PST US
    From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: 912 cold start
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com> Hi Tom, Perhaps if you flew it to a strip that's higher or lower AGL, it would start just fine? ; ) (Joking. I'm joking!) Don't archive. Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: <sabean@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Kolb-List: 912 cold start > --> Kolb-List message posted by: <sabean@ns.sympatico.ca> > > As the temperatures are starting to drop up here in the great white north, I'm having trouble starting the 912 when the temp is just above the freezing point. Engine has choke system but no primer. It will usually start but it takes a lot of cranking. > I've checked the archives and haven't found much information other than making sure the plugs are gapped to .5 which I have done. > Any other suggestions which might help? > > Thanks > Tom Sabean > Mk3x 912 Warp


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    Time: 08:02:51 PM PST US
    From: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
    Subject: Re: 10 K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net> Dear Fellow Nit Pickers, Sigh: <<Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(2) of this section, any aircraft which was not originally certificated with an engine- driven electrical system .. may conduct operations>> <<"air recreational vehicles">> <<powered by a non-certificated engine, may be considered not to have had an electrical system>> <<So the Experimental aircraft generally fall outside of the "certificated with engine driven electrical system" rule (at least that's what my FSDO leads me to believe....I could be wrong on this point).>> First "air recreational vehicles". If I understand FAR 103 correctly, these "vehicles" are prohibited from all controlled airspace without prior ATC permission. Despite 103's mention of flight above 10,000, whether such high airspace is controlled is admittedly a gray area. Wouldn't want to be the one to test the point. Now for homebuilts. These are certificated, just certificated as Experimental. Don't know of a single FSDO who interprets the rule except to mean: at the time the (Experimental) certificate was issued (or later), did the aircraft have an electrical system. This usually means an alternator/generator, regulator and battery system large enough to have an electric starter. So the best way to join the club legally is to simply contact the ARTCC for your area. If you are polite, they might give you a great big block of time in a big area outside of the air routes. The only regulatory requirement for people without transponders is one hour's notice. If you have a radio, even just battery powered, probably the easiest way to be legal is find out the local control frequency from the IFR pilot next door and just call them when you are in the air. By the time you are up to 10k, the hour's notice will have been passed in enjoyable flight. I'm sure that is what all the existing members of the Kolb 10k club did when they made their flights, right? Tom Kuffel Whitefish, MT Building Original FireStar


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    Time: 08:06:19 PM PST US
    From: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
    Subject: nice flight & 4 stroke up date
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com> The wind was down to 9 mph today so I went up for a cruise. Nice to be up again. Saw quite a few deer that the hunters are trying to get. Saw some orange too but not by any of the deer that I saw. When the sun was gone we decided that we might as well plumb the 4 stroke project that my flying buddy is putting together. It ran right off the bat without any problems. Tomorrow we'll put the prop on the redrive and see what it can do. I don't know the actual flying weight of this set up is but it should be a little lighter than my 377( 74 lbs with elect start, without the radiator or oil tank or redrive) and should have a few more hp and more torque. I hope it pulls more pounds static. It would sure be nice to get a 40hp 4 stroke that will fly me safely. I'll post more tomorrow if it works OK or blows up. Do not archive. Dan Charter FS 1


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    Time: 08:12:57 PM PST US
    From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 10 K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com Well, If I have to get someone to hold the dumb end of the tape to make sure I'll go a bit further to make sure I have completed the mission Ellery


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    Time: 08:51:24 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Where to install water temp. sensor on 912ULS?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Where to install water temp. sensor on 912ULS? > My best guess is at the water pump outlet. > > It's surprising that one doesn't come with the engine. > > Howard Shackleford Howard/Gang: I missed a post somewhere, I guess, reference water temp and 912/912ULS. Straight from the horse's mouth at both 912 schools I attended, 2000 and 2004P: There is no requirement to monitor coolant temps. We are only concerned with cylinder head metal temperature. Check all the publications and you will find no reference to coolant temperatures. I have a friend in Alaska who was pulling his hair out, what little he had left, because he could not get the coolant temps down. I asked him to what bracket he was trying to get them down to and where he got the requirement? Took a lot of persuading to get this gentleman to understand we only need to monitor cyl head metal temps. Engine gauges on my 912/912ULS: Oil Press Oil Temp CHT Tach Take care, john h PS: I am reading my email and sending this one from the kitchen table in my 5th wheel in the RV Park at Hollywood Casino, Robinsonville, Mississippi. Another first for a guy that remembers the big RCA console with a tiny yellowish round dial a few inches in diameter back in the 40's. Technology sure has come a long ways since then. Ain't it great?


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    Time: 10:07:19 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com>
    Subject: Re: 10 K Club
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com> > Now for homebuilts. These are certificated, just certificated as > Experimental. Whoops...yer right. Rats! Thinking of something else when I typed that line..... Jim Baker 580.788.2779 '71 SV, 492TC Elmore City, OK




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