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1. 02:50 AM - List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! (Matt Dralle)
2. 04:51 AM - Re: Address Book (ron wehba)
3. 05:06 AM - Long block (James, Ken)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: nice flight & 4 stroke up date (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com)
5. 06:53 AM - Re: Long block (Giovanni Day)
6. 06:56 AM - Re: 912? (James, Ken)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: Long block (James, Ken)
8. 09:08 AM - Re: 10,000 ft. club (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
9. 06:52 PM - Re: Address Book (Larrry Bourne)
10. 08:14 PM - Re: 62" Ivoprop sale (Eugene Zimmerman)
11. 08:20 PM - Re: nice flight & 4 stroke up date (jerb)
12. 08:21 PM - Horrible news (Clay Stuart)
13. 09:01 PM - Re: 62" Ivoprop sale (Richard Pike)
14. 09:02 PM - Re: Horrible news (ul15rhb@juno.com)
15. 09:15 PM - Re: Horrible news (Giovanni Day)
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| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - New Gift Addition! |
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| Subject: | Re: Address Book |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cox.net>
hi larry, have you tried the import/export, i did that when i went from 98
to xp
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From: "Larrry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Address Book
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larrry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> My confuser's screen died on me last week, and it has to go to the
hospital for ~3 weeks or so. I bought a used computer to get by with, and
have run into a problem with the email addresses. I saved the old address
book, but can't get the thing to copy/paste or drag/drop into the new
computer. Old one is Windows XP, new is Windows 98 SE. Right now, instead
of Kolb List mail coming in as "Kolb List - Joe Blow," as on the old
computer, it's coming in as "Joe Blow - Kolb List." This means a tedious
circle of Create Rule, etc., for every message that comes in, to get past
the spam blocker. Is there a way to switch this around ?? Is there a way
to transfer my old address book to the new computer ?? Typing in 200 or so
addresses by hand doesn't really appeal to me all that much. :-) I
haven't turned the old one in yet, in case I need it for the change over.
Thanks Disgusted and Frustrated Lar. Do not
Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III -
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
This my be a double post so if it is please ignore, anyway
There is a Long Block 912 UL on Ebay
My question are.
1. anyone have a rough Ideal what it would cost to build it up? Rough Ideal
2. should I send it out to be built up or can anyone work on these engines (
any reasonable mechanic)
3. Is it worth it or would I be wasting my money. ( I can afford a new 582
but not a 912 )
Ken James
Drafting Design Technology Instructor
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| Subject: | Re: nice flight & 4 stroke up date |
08:45:53 AM,
Serialize complete at 11/15/2004 08:45:53 AM,
Itemize by SMTP Server on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 6.5.2|June 01, 2004) at
11/15/2004
08:46:15 AM,
Serialize by Router on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 6.5.2|June 01, 2004) at 11/15/2004
08:46:18 AM,
Serialize complete at 11/15/2004 08:46:18 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
Dan, tell us more about this 4-stroke.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
When the sun was gone we decided that we might as well plumb the 4 stroke
project that my flying buddy is putting together. It ran right off the bat
without any problems. Tomorrow we'll put the prop on the redrive and see
what it can do. I don't know the actual flying weight of this set up is
but it should be a little lighter than my 377( 74 lbs with elect start,
without the radiator or oil tank or redrive) and should have a few more hp
and more torque. I hope it pulls more pounds static. It would sure be nice
to get a 40hp 4 stroke that will fly me safely. I'll post more tomorrow if
it works OK or blows up. Do not archive.
Dan Charter
FS 1
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Giovanni Day <gde01@bellsouth.net>
If you can wait, you will be able to find a good complete 912 for the cost of a
new 582. There was a complete 912 with prop on barnstormers the other day for
an asking of $6500. Look at what a 582 will cost you that much or better when
you add in the radiator, oil tank, starter and/or Ebox. The extra time it takes
to find one will give you time to save any extra cash you need. The 912 is
worth the wait.
Giovanni Day
MKIII 912/80566
Do Not Archive
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From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Long block
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
This my be a double post so if it is please ignore, anyway
There is a Long Block 912 UL on Ebay
My question are.
1. anyone have a rough Ideal what it would cost to build it up? Rough Ideal
2. should I send it out to be built up or can anyone work on these engines (
any reasonable mechanic)
3. Is it worth it or would I be wasting my money. ( I can afford a new 582
but not a 912 )
Ken James
Drafting Design Technology Instructor
Berks Career and Technology Center
East Campus
3307 Friedensburg Rd.
Oley, Pa. 19506
610-987-6201 Ext. 3532
Kdjames@berkscareer.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
yes 914 oops
Was thinking 912 when I was typing
-----Original Message-----
From: robert bean [mailto:slyck@frontiernet.net]
Subject: 912?
Ken, I see a 914 on there. -same one you talking about?
If you intend to build it up strictly factory I imagine they'd get
in your pants pretty good for the accessories. Stuff like the
starter and distributor you would have to buy. The rest,
like induction, carburetion, etc. you could create yourself.
-Bob Bean, did it all on the suzuki
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
I can wait :-)
Thanks Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Giovanni Day [mailto:gde01@bellsouth.net]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Long block
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Giovanni Day <gde01@bellsouth.net>
If you can wait, you will be able to find a good complete 912 for the cost
of a new 582. There was a complete 912 with prop on barnstormers the other
day for an asking of $6500. Look at what a 582 will cost you that much or
better when you add in the radiator, oil tank, starter and/or Ebox. The
extra time it takes to find one will give you time to save any extra cash
you need. The 912 is worth the wait.
Giovanni Day
MKIII 912/80566
Do Not Archive
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From: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Long block
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
This my be a double post so if it is please ignore, anyway
There is a Long Block 912 UL on Ebay
My question are.
1. anyone have a rough Ideal what it would cost to build it up? Rough Ideal
2. should I send it out to be built up or can anyone work on these engines (
any reasonable mechanic)
3. Is it worth it or would I be wasting my money. ( I can afford a new 582
but not a 912 )
Ken James
Drafting Design Technology Instructor
Berks Career and Technology Center
East Campus
3307 Friedensburg Rd.
Oley, Pa. 19506
610-987-6201 Ext. 3532
Kdjames@berkscareer.com
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| Subject: | Re: 10,000 ft. club |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Bob Griffin wrote: << OK guys. From all the replies to my flight to 10,000
ft. it sounds like I started something. You need to do it flying your Kolb!
It is 10,000ft AGL. which must be reached. So far I have: Kiwi, Richard P.,
& Dave Pelletier. Fly safe - Bob Griffin >>
Above GROUND level ?!
Yikes - for me that would mean 16,200 msl.
(My home airport is 6200' elevation.)
This summer, I took my Mark-3C up on a clear June day, and made it to 13,200
msl.
The Verner was purring at 3800 rpm (about 80 percent power), and my VSI
still showed 200 fpm climb.
What puzzled me most (at the time) were the airspeed readings - the higher I
got, the slower the IAS. Above 13,000 feet, my airspeed was 42 mph. That
same power setting was giving me 65 mph at field elevation. Then I realized
what I was seeing was the difference between true and indicated airspeed,
and how indicated airspeed drops off with altitude. Did the conversion
after the flight, and found that my TAS was actually somewhere around 58
mph.
As others have pointed out - when flying at this altitude, you lose all
sense of forward motion. Seems like you are just suspended there, way up in
the vast endless sky, not even moving. Very lonely, but at the same time,
peaceful. And the wonderful thought of being able to do this in a little
airplane that I build in my garage. I love my Kolb!
Dennis Kirby
New Mexico
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| Subject: | Re: Address Book |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larrry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Thanks for the idea, Ron. I'll give it a try. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III -
Vamoose
----- Original Message -----
From: ron wehba
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Address Book
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cox.net>
hi larry, have you tried the import/export, i did that when i went from 98
to xp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larrry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Address Book
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larrry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> My confuser's screen died on me last week, and it has to go to the
hospital for ~3 weeks or so. I bought a used computer to get by with, and
have run into a problem with the email addresses. I saved the old address
book, but can't get the thing to copy/paste or drag/drop into the new
computer. Old one is Windows XP, new is Windows 98 SE. Right now, instead
of Kolb List mail coming in as "Kolb List - Joe Blow," as on the old
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| Subject: | Re: 62" Ivoprop sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Hey preacher,
What structural mods are you doing?
I'm also planning to use a 582 on my Firestar.
Gene
Richard Pike wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> The prop came with a FSII and a Rotax 503, but we have swapped that engine
> to a friend for a 65 hp Rotax 582.
>
> (Still need to makes several structural mods to beef the FSII up before it
> is finished, discovered at the Kolb Fly-In that the FSII uses thinner motor
> mount tubing than the Kolbra, & MKIII, so we are taking the appropriate
> steps to ensure that the engine doesn't twist itself loose...)
>
> The 62" 3 blade is ideal for a 503, but not quite big enough for a 582. I
> tried this prop for about 15 minutes on my MKIII and it worked OK, but not
> quite as good as my usual 68" 2 blade.
>
> So far, my MKIII (582, 2.58:1 B box) has had a 64" 3 blade, 64" 2 blade,
> 66" 2 blade and a 68" 2 blade. The 68" 2 blade is best. (good all around
> performance, quietest in the cockpit, but a hair noisier to the person on
> the ground than a 3 blade)
>
> So with 15 minutes total time on it, the 62" 3 blade needs to find a good
> 503 to sit on.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
> At 10:20 AM 11/10/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>>
>>Hi Richard,
>>Why are you swapping props - curious and what are you switching to.
>>I've been running an IVO two blade on my 447, it works pretty good but been
>>watching what users are have to say about other props such as Warps, Hot
>>Props, and ProFin. Seems like the adage mileage may vary applies, no good
>>conclusive comparative results.
>>jerb
>>
>>
>>At 09:40 AM 11/10/04 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nice flight & 4 stroke up date |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Dan,
What kind of engine are you plumbing in?
jerb
At 10:04 PM 11/12/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dan Charter" <lndc@fnbcnet.com>
>
>The wind was down to 9 mph today so I went up for a cruise. Nice to be up
>again. Saw quite a few deer that the hunters are trying to get. Saw some
>orange too but not by any of the deer that I saw. When the sun was gone we
>decided that we might as well plumb the 4 stroke project that my flying
>buddy is putting together. It ran right off the bat without any problems.
>Tomorrow we'll put the prop on the redrive and see what it can do. I don't
>know the actual flying weight of this set up is but it should be a little
>lighter than my 377( 74 lbs with elect start, without the radiator or oil
>tank or redrive) and should have a few more hp and more torque. I hope it
>pulls more pounds static. It would sure be nice to get a 40hp 4 stroke
>that will fly me safely. I'll post more tomorrow if it works OK or blows
>up. Do not archive.
>Dan Charter
>FS 1
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Just heard and saw on Lexington TV that Norm Labhart was killed today in the
crash of the factory Mark IIIXtra. The passenger on board is hospitalized
( I can't remember the condition he was in). The crash seemed to have
happened on the factory runway. I believe the TV reports said it may have
crashed short of the runway. The footage showed Travis Brown and other
familiar faces.
Please pray for his family. I know he had a little daughter with him at the
fly-in. I believe that he also had another daughter.
Sadly,
Clay Stuart
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| Subject: | Re: 62" Ivoprop sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
We talked to some folks at the Kolb fly in, and they were not happy with a
582 on a FSII. Seems the main root tube that the engine mounts are tied to
on the FSII is a thinner wall diameter than the ones used on the MKIII and
the Kolbra, and they were concerned with the extra horsepower doing
unexpected and rude things (like cracking the tube) in the vicinity of the
motor mounts due to the unplanned-for torque. Also the down tubes at the
rear of the cage, between the rear spar carrythrough and the boom tube, are
a thinner wall thickness than for the 65 horse aircraft. They were not
concerned with the rest of the aircraft, as long as the published speeds
and weights were observed.
So we have fabricated an external brace that runs from the 3/8" boom tube
bolt up to the rear mounts to help carry and subdue any torque/twist
action. Also a brace on each side for the front mounts to preclude them
trying to move either. After we get everything done, we will put a FSII
addition to my MKIII web page.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
FSII N582EF (582 Ed's Folly)
At 11:09 PM 11/15/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
><eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
>Hey preacher,
>What structural mods are you doing?
>I'm also planning to use a 582 on my Firestar.
>
>Gene
>
>
>Richard Pike wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
> >
> > The prop came with a FSII and a Rotax 503, but we have swapped that engine
> > to a friend for a 65 hp Rotax 582.
> >
> > (Still need to makes several structural mods to beef the FSII up before it
> > is finished, discovered at the Kolb Fly-In that the FSII uses thinner
> motor
> > mount tubing than the Kolbra, & MKIII, so we are taking the appropriate
> > steps to ensure that the engine doesn't twist itself loose...)
> >
> > The 62" 3 blade is ideal for a 503, but not quite big enough for a 582. I
> > tried this prop for about 15 minutes on my MKIII and it worked OK, but not
> > quite as good as my usual 68" 2 blade.
> >
> > So far, my MKIII (582, 2.58:1 B box) has had a 64" 3 blade, 64" 2 blade,
> > 66" 2 blade and a 68" 2 blade. The 68" 2 blade is best. (good all around
> > performance, quietest in the cockpit, but a hair noisier to the person on
> > the ground than a 3 blade)
> >
> > So with 15 minutes total time on it, the 62" 3 blade needs to find a good
> > 503 to sit on.
> >
> > Richard Pike
> > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > At 10:20 AM 11/10/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
> >>
> >>Hi Richard,
> >>Why are you swapping props - curious and what are you switching to.
> >>I've been running an IVO two blade on my 447, it works pretty good but been
> >>watching what users are have to say about other props such as Warps, Hot
> >>Props, and ProFin. Seems like the adage mileage may vary applies, no good
> >>conclusive comparative results.
> >>jerb
> >>
> >>
> >>At 09:40 AM 11/10/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >>
> >>>Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Horrible news |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
Here is the local news. They show a video but get the names all wrong.
http://www.wkyt.com/
Ralph
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:21:29 -0500 "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart"
> <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
>
> Just heard and saw on Lexington TV that Norm Labhart was killed
> today in the
> crash of the factory Mark IIIXtra. The passenger on board is
> hospitalized
> ( I can't remember the condition he was in). The crash seemed to
> have
> happened on the factory runway. I believe the TV reports said it
> may have
> crashed short of the runway. The footage showed Travis Brown and
> other
> familiar faces.
>
> Please pray for his family. I know he had a little daughter with
> him at the
> fly-in. I believe that he also had another daughter.
>
> Sadly,
> Clay Stuart
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Friends,
This is a sad day. We will be praying for them. Lex18.com had a
different video. Can someone look at the video and confirm that it is
the factory plane?
Giovanni
Do Not Archive
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clay Stuart
Subject: Kolb-List: Horrible news
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Just heard and saw on Lexington TV that Norm Labhart was killed today in
the crash of the factory Mark IIIXtra. The passenger on board is
hospitalized ( I can't remember the condition he was in). The crash
seemed to have happened on the factory runway. I believe the TV reports
said it may have crashed short of the runway. The footage showed Travis
Brown and other familiar faces.
Please pray for his family. I know he had a little daughter with him at
the fly-in. I believe that he also had another daughter.
Sadly,
Clay Stuart
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