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1. 05:09 AM - Norm Labhart (Clay Stuart)
2. 05:28 AM - Re: Norm Labhart (kfackler)
3. 05:35 AM - Horrible news (Rex Rodebush)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: Norm Labhart (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
5. 07:34 AM - Re: Norm Labhart (David Lehman)
6. 08:46 AM - Accident... (David Lehman)
7. 09:35 AM - Chris Davis (Clay Stuart)
8. 09:49 AM - Accident... (David Lehman)
9. 04:58 PM - Electret Throat Microphone (Jack & Louise Hart)
10. 06:36 PM - Re: 62" Ivoprop sale (Eugene Zimmerman)
11. 07:03 PM - Re: 62" Ivoprop sale (HShack@aol.com)
12. 07:09 PM - Re: 62" Ivoprop sale (HShack@aol.com)
13. 07:19 PM - Re: 62" Ivoprop sale (Richard Pike)
14. 08:17 PM - Re: 62" Ivoprop sale (Richard Pike)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Here is the link to the newspaper article:
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/10192582.htm
Sadly,
Clay Stuart
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| Subject: | Re: Norm Labhart |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
May the god of their understanding remain close to the Labhart family.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
This is very sad news. Norm was the factory test pilot and I believe
was G.M. of TNK at one time. I met him about five years ago. He was
always very courteous, kind and helpful. A gentleman in every sense of
the word. I had the privilege of flying with him at the fly-in this
summer. Our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.
Rex Rodebush
Time: 08:21:42 PM PST US
From: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Horrible news
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Just heard and saw on Lexington TV that Norm Labhart was killed today in
the
crash of the factory Mark IIIXtra.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@freescale.com>
Kolbers,
I am really sad. This is a great loss to us kolbers. I will miss him.
Tim Gherkins
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Subject: Kolb-List: Norm Labhart
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Here is the link to the newspaper article:
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/10192582.htm
Sadly,
Clay Stuart
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <kolbypilot@yahoo.com>
FAA Preliminary report:
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** Report created 11/16/2004 Record 1 **
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 83NK Make/Model: EXP Description: KLB3 EXP
Date: 11/15/2004 Time: 1240
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown
LOCATION
City: LONDON State: KY Country: US
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ACFT CRASHED WHILE LANDING ON A GRASS STRIP, TWO PERSONS WERE ON BOARD, ONE
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Activity: Unknown Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation
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Destination: Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: U
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FAA FSDO: LOUISVILLE, KY (SO01) Entry date: 11/16/2004
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <kolbypilot@yahoo.com>
Aero-News Alert:
New Kolb Aircraft Owner Lost in Mk III Xtra Crash
Passenger Survives, But Is Severely Injured
ANN has just learned that New Kolb Aircraft CEO, Norm
Labhart (48), has been lost in a Monday afternoon
crash of one of his factory's aircraft. Piloting a
Kolb Mk III Xtra (file photo, below) at 1240 local
time, Labhart impacted the side of a hill at the
Chesnut Knolls Aviation Airpark, near the Pulaski
Country line, in Southern Kentucky, killing him and
injuring a passenger.
Witnesses told authorities that the experimentally
registered aircraft was in the process of landing when
it "just went down" short of the runway. Labhart was
pronounced DOA shortly after being transported to
Marymount Hospital in London, KY. The passenger, Chris
Davis, was airlifted to the U of K Medical Center and
remains hospitalized in serious condition with
"multiple traumatic injuries."
NTSB Investigators have been called to the site to
conduct an investigation. ANN extends our condolences
to Mr. Labhart's family and friends.
FMI: www.kolbaircraft.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
Here is an email from the other occupant of the Xtra with Norm. He is
in Lexington with his condition upgraded somewhat. I'm guessing he was with
Norm doing some transitional work. Just can't believe this happened to two
experienced pilots.
Clay Stuart
Match: #4
Message: #37019
From: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
Subject: BRS chute wanted to buy
Date: Oct 28, 2004
Kolbers, I have made a deal on a beautiful mkIII . After flying alone for
9years
in my firestar I will get to share the fun ! but I need a chute [ wife's
rule]
so, does anyone know of a brs 1050 vls or soft pack that some one wants
to
almost give away? Thanks ,Chris davis , soon to be owner of Miss B
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Lehman <kolbypilot@yahoo.com>
The FAA registration for N83NK shows Norman Labhart as
the builder/manufacturer and Lighning Strike Leasing,
LLC, as the owner... Airworthiness date was
04/01/04...
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| Subject: | Electret Throat Microphone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
FireFlyers and Kolbers,
Finally! I have been able to make an electret (condenser) throat microphone
to work on my hand held radio. Also, I changed to a better (more noise
rejection) and less expensive throat microphone.
The electret microphone requires a power source and it does not produce an
output signal sufficient to drive the transmitter input. I added a pre
amplifier and battled radio frequency interference that is induced when one
keys the transmitter. Now that it is done it has been worth the effort.
It is not an elegant solution but if you would like to see how it was done,
check:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly110.html
For anyone who flies in an open cockpit this is a great improvement. It
completely knocks out wind, engine and propeller noise from the transmitted
or recorded signal.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: 62" Ivoprop sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Thanks Bro. Pike,
That sounds reasonable. I may take another look at that area before I
recover and paint.
We have had a 582 on a Mark II for many years with no problems.
Does the Firestar have thinner walled tubing than the old twinstar Mark
II which was originally designed for a 503?
What diameter prop do you plan to use?
I believe the extra HP will not be the problem, but the "shakes" at very
low RPM at startup and shut down caused by the extra inertia of a bigger
prop may be.
The 582 has been running a 66" two blade IVO on the Twinstar well over
300hr without a problem.
Gene
Richard Pike wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> We talked to some folks at the Kolb fly in, and they were not happy with a
> 582 on a FSII. Seems the main root tube that the engine mounts are tied to
> on the FSII is a thinner wall diameter than the ones used on the MKIII and
> the Kolbra, and they were concerned with the extra horsepower doing
> unexpected and rude things (like cracking the tube) in the vicinity of the
> motor mounts due to the unplanned-for torque. Also the down tubes at the
> rear of the cage, between the rear spar carrythrough and the boom tube, are
> a thinner wall thickness than for the 65 horse aircraft. They were not
> concerned with the rest of the aircraft, as long as the published speeds
> and weights were observed.
>
> So we have fabricated an external brace that runs from the 3/8" boom tube
> bolt up to the rear mounts to help carry and subdue any torque/twist
> action. Also a brace on each side for the front mounts to preclude them
> trying to move either. After we get everything done, we will put a FSII
> addition to my MKIII web page.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> FSII N582EF (582 Ed's Folly)
>
> At 11:09 PM 11/15/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
>><eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>>
>>Hey preacher,
>>What structural mods are you doing?
>>I'm also planning to use a 582 on my Firestar.
>>
>>Gene
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 62" Ivoprop sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 11/16/2004 9:37:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com writes:
I believe the extra HP will not be the problem, but the "shakes" at very
low RPM at startup and shut down caused by the extra inertia of a bigger
prop may be.
And a "C" box with clutch will [has] solved that problem.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: 62" Ivoprop sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 11/16/2004 12:02:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
richard@bcchapel.org writes:
So we have fabricated an external brace that runs from the 3/8" boom tube
bolt up to the rear mounts to help carry and subdue any torque/twist
action. Also a brace on each side for the front mounts to preclude them
trying to move either. After we get everything done, we will put a FSII
addition to my MKIII web page.
Richard Pike
Richard, we would be very interested in details of your external braces, etc.
[photo's>].
Chuck Reinert has maybe 10 hours on his 582/FSII with ne problems. I'd feel
better if we could beef the cage a little.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: 62" Ivoprop sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I don't know about the Twinstar compared to the FSII. I didn't know there
was a difference between the Firestar and the MKIII root tube until Norm
pointed it out at the Fly in. That was the last time I saw Norm, he took me
for a ride in the accident Xtra, let me fly it, I enjoyed it very much.
Then he flew my MKIII and told me "Don't change a thing, it flies like a
big Firefly." I really liked him a lot, he was a good man.
We have a 2 blade 68" Ivo waiting in the box for the FSII.
I think the only time we might have a problem is when taking off a rough
field at full throttle, or being at full throttle in heavy turbulence,
aside from that, it is probably not important. Anyway, today I finished
adding the front and rear additional supports, so now it doesn't matter at
all. Be glad to get done, tomorrow comes the last of the wiring.
rp
At 09:31 PM 11/16/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
><eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
>
>Thanks Bro. Pike,
>
>That sounds reasonable. I may take another look at that area before I
>recover and paint.
>
>We have had a 582 on a Mark II for many years with no problems.
>Does the Firestar have thinner walled tubing than the old twinstar Mark
>II which was originally designed for a 503?
>
>What diameter prop do you plan to use?
>
>I believe the extra HP will not be the problem, but the "shakes" at very
>low RPM at startup and shut down caused by the extra inertia of a bigger
>prop may be.
>The 582 has been running a 66" two blade IVO on the Twinstar well over
>300hr without a problem.
>
>Gene
>
>
>Richard Pike wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
> >
> > We talked to some folks at the Kolb fly in, and they were not happy with a
> > 582 on a FSII. Seems the main root tube that the engine mounts are tied to
> > on the FSII is a thinner wall diameter than the ones used on the MKIII and
> > the Kolbra, and they were concerned with the extra horsepower doing
> > unexpected and rude things (like cracking the tube) in the vicinity of the
> > motor mounts due to the unplanned-for torque. Also the down tubes at the
> > rear of the cage, between the rear spar carrythrough and the boom tube,
> are
> > a thinner wall thickness than for the 65 horse aircraft. They were not
> > concerned with the rest of the aircraft, as long as the published speeds
> > and weights were observed.
> >
> > So we have fabricated an external brace that runs from the 3/8" boom tube
> > bolt up to the rear mounts to help carry and subdue any torque/twist
> > action. Also a brace on each side for the front mounts to preclude them
> > trying to move either. After we get everything done, we will put a FSII
> > addition to my MKIII web page.
> >
> > Richard Pike
> > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> > FSII N582EF (582 Ed's Folly)
> >
> > At 11:09 PM 11/15/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman
> >><eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
> >>
> >>Hey preacher,
> >>What structural mods are you doing?
> >>I'm also planning to use a 582 on my Firestar.
> >>
> >>Gene
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 62" Ivoprop sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
OK. Tomorrow I will take a few pics and add to the webpage.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 10:09 PM 11/16/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 11/16/2004 12:02:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>richard@bcchapel.org writes:
>So we have fabricated an external brace that runs from the 3/8" boom tube
>bolt up to the rear mounts to help carry and subdue any torque/twist
>action. Also a brace on each side for the front mounts to preclude them
>trying to move either. After we get everything done, we will put a FSII
>addition to my MKIII web page.
>
>Richard Pike
>
>
>Richard, we would be very interested in details of your external braces, etc.
>[photo's>].
>
>Chuck Reinert has maybe 10 hours on his 582/FSII with ne problems. I'd feel
>better if we could beef the cage a little.
>
>Howard Shackleford
>FS II
>SC
>
>
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