Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:53 AM - Crash (PATRICK LADD)
2. 07:10 AM - Sad Times (John Hauck)
3. 08:48 AM - Re: FSII mods for a 582 (HShack@aol.com)
4. 10:02 AM - Re: Sad Times (N27SB@aol.com)
5. 10:59 AM - Re: FSII mods for a 582 (Richard Pike)
6. 11:11 AM - Mk3/912 Flight Report (H MITCHELL)
7. 11:35 AM - Re: Sad Times (N27SB@aol.com)
8. 11:59 AM - Test (JACK HART)
9. 11:59 AM - Re: Mk3/912 Flight Report (robert bean)
10. 01:33 PM - Correction - misprint (Richard Pike)
11. 05:22 PM - Norm (Mike Pierzina)
12. 08:09 PM - Re: FSII mods for a 582 (HShack@aol.com)
13. 08:09 PM - Norm Labhart (Aviator Guy)
14. 09:57 PM - Re: FSII mods for a 582 (Richard Pike)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
The sentiments which have been expressed after this sad accident demonstrates
the closeness to each other which everyone on this list feels.
Condolences from this sid eof the Atlantic.
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Good morning all:
For your info, here is the obituary for Norm. I especially like this
picture. A good way to remember a flying friend:
http://www.londonfuneralhome.com/obituary_2.htm
Got out of the woods last night. Am loading the rig and heading for
London this morning.
Talked to Dana Labhart last night when I got home. She is doing well
considering the current situation. Dana is a wonderful lady. She was
my right hand "gal" during my failed flight to Alaska in 2000. Could
not have gotten along without her.
This whole situation does not seem real, especially when we lose a
good friend.
Take care,
john h
MKIIIc
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: FSII mods for a 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 11/18/2004 1:23:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
richard@bcchapel.org writes:
Try it again. Hold down the "Ctrl" button and hit "refresh."
Thanks, that worked.
I see you inverted the rubber engine mounts; was that to get clearance for
the bolt & nut you added ?
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Thank you John for posting the info on the funeral home, For those of us many
miles away it is difficult to catch up on the details. Even though I had
only known Norm for less than a year, because I had worked the last 2 major=20EAA
shows I feel that Norm and I had become good friends. Norm had also done the
test flights on the floats I helped designed. I cannot express in words the
loss that I feel and I know many others feel the same. I was glad to see that
a
fund was set up for Norm's children. Norm gave so much of his time teaching
others to fly Kolb AC safely that it is a nice way for us to give something
back. EXPRESSIONS OF SYMPATHY MAY BE MADE TO THE LABHART CHILDREN'S FUND,=20C/O
NATIONAL CITY BANK, 535 E. BROADWAY, LOUISVILLE, KY 40202.=A0=A0=A0
Steve Boetto
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Subject: | Re: FSII mods for a 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Not apparent in the photo, but due to the use of an "E" box, it was
necessary not only to invert the mounts, but also to get the Kolbra mount
extensions from Kolb, the engine has to sit much further up than ideal. A
"B" gearbox would have been much better.
So now would be a good time to ask: Anyone want to trade a new or very low
time 2.58:1 B box and a starter, or a new or low time E box and a starter
for a low time 2.62 E box with a built in starter? I will trade off Rotax's
best gearbox/starter package just so I can get the engine down snug to the
mounts.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P
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At 11:47 AM 11/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
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>In a message dated 11/18/2004 1:23:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>richard@bcchapel.org writes:
>Try it again. Hold down the "Ctrl" button and hit "refresh."
>
>Thanks, that worked.
>
>I see you inverted the rubber engine mounts; was that to get clearance for
>the bolt & nut you added ?
>
>Howard Shackleford
>FS II
>SC
>
>
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Subject: | Mk3/912 Flight Report |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:10:32 -0500
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Hey Guys,
The worst part of flying is loosing a friend. We have lost our chance to know
him better and there is no way to relieve the pain his family is suffering. The
rest of us need to tighten up and know that it could happen to any of our group.
Yester day I did a little Bondo work on the nose fairing and went flying afterwards.
I was stunned to find that my Alt, IAS and ROC were all w-a-a-y off. Post-flight
inspection showed that even a slight (very slight) disruption of the
airflow around one of my static ports can cause this problem. Spent ~ an hour
reworking the area involved.
Today. Rolled 7078A out of the hangar this AM, did a thorough preflight and cranked
her up. OAT was 50 Deg., visibility was forever and wind was 5 or less. The
engine started instantly and after a brief warm-up I flew toward South Georgia
for about 30 miles. The Alt, IAS and ROC problem was resolved. I held the
rpm at 5,000 (77 mph). That seems to be her sweet spot. On the way back I did
a few steep turns and detoured over Lake Seminole. Back at home base I had the
whole airport to myself and my landing was a clean "8".
At the end of my 20th hour with this bird I am really starting to appreciate the
way she handles. She has a safe amount of power and is responsive to every controls
input.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Hello to all,
For those of you that are interested in donating to the Labhart Children's
Fund the details are as follows.
National City Bank
535 East Broadway
Louisville, KY 40202
Labhart Children's Fund
Account # 29299886
Phone # 502-581-4120
Ask for Joshua Mcfarland if you have questions or need help.
Steve Boetto
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: JACK HART <jbhart@ldd.net>
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Mk3/912 Flight Report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
On 18, Nov 2004, at 2:10 PM, H MITCHELL wrote:
>
>
> Yester day I did a little Bondo work on the nose fairing and went
> flying afterwards. I was stunned to find that my Alt, IAS and ROC were
> all w-a-a-y off. Post-flight inspection showed that even a slight
> (very slight) disruption of the airflow around one of my static ports
> can cause this problem.
Being a natural born scrounge artist, when I created my pitot-static
system I dug into my HVAC
bin and came up with a static probe from an industrial air handler. I
twinned that with a gob-o-epoxy
onto a piece of thinwall stainless tube that I bent to shape. It
stands off about 3-1/2" from the
bottom of my handmade nosebowl. Works fine and even survived my off
field wheat stubble
landing this fall. I put two little rubber caps on them when parked.
-BB, waiting for a yamaha venture 1300 radiator from ebay do not
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>
>
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Subject: | Correction - misprint |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Meant to say in the 2nd paragraph, trade for a low time C box & starter,
not trade one E box for another. Fat fingers, & poor typing skill's will
get'cha...
rp
At 01:59 PM 11/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>Not apparent in the photo, but due to the use of an "E" box, it was
>necessary not only to invert the mounts, but also to get the Kolbra mount
>extensions from Kolb, the engine has to sit much further up than ideal. A
>"B" gearbox would have been much better.
>
>So now would be a good time to ask: Anyone want to trade a new or very low
>time 2.58:1 B box and a starter, or a new or low time E box and a starter
>for a low time 2.62 E box with a built in starter? I will trade off Rotax's
>best gearbox/starter package just so I can get the engine down snug to the
>mounts.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P
>do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys...
I talked to Norm a few times...about gear box ratio and prop dia. ,
He helped me with my decision, and I thought it was nice that he took the time
to explain it to me...
He wrote the "list" and said that he liked the Web Site that I made
( my Firestar II builders site ) and even offered to send me a free hat....
I thought that was pretty nice considering that he didn't even really know me
at all...
The world can't afford to lose people like him , because there are just
too few of them.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN FSII/ 381PM
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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Subject: | Re: FSII mods for a 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 11/18/2004 2:00:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
richard@bcchapel.org writes:
Not apparent in the photo, but due to the use of an "E" box, it was
necessary not only to invert the mounts, but also to get the Kolbra mount
extensions from Kolb, the engine has to sit much further up than ideal.
Do the "E" & "C" boxes have different heights? We are having no problem
running a 66" prop with our "C" box & mounts in the normal mode.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Aviator Guy <aviatorguy@gmail.com>
I spoke with Norm several times on Monday Nov. 15 the day of the
horrible accident. The last message I got from him was around 11:20
AM just before he headed out to Kolb's for a little flight over lunch.
He was the same old Norm just like always happy and cheerful. I've
known Norm for a couple of years now and have to say that he is one
person that I have the utmost respect for. He was a really neat guy
that was always more than willing to help someone out or teach them
something new. Norm you will be greatly missed, you have a wonderful
family and more friends than most people could ever imagine. We are
all still in awe as to how something like this could happen to such a
person as Norm. I know I will truly miss you as will all your other
friends. My sympathies go out to Dana and the rest of the Labhart
family.
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Subject: | Re: FSII mods for a 582 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
The problem is the starter, it is on the bottom of the E gearbox, and
unless we do radical surgery on the Kolb motor mounts, we have to raise the
engine up until the starter is safely above the rear motor mount. Or else
we could remove the starter from the E box and add one to the mag end of
the engine, I suppose... but probably not.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 11:09 PM 11/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 11/18/2004 2:00:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>richard@bcchapel.org writes:
>Not apparent in the photo, but due to the use of an "E" box, it was
>necessary not only to invert the mounts, but also to get the Kolbra mount
>extensions from Kolb, the engine has to sit much further up than ideal.
>
>Do the "E" & "C" boxes have different heights? We are having no problem
>running a 66" prop with our "C" box & mounts in the normal mode.
>
>Howard Shackleford
>FS II
>SC
>
>
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