---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/18/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:53 AM - Crash (PATRICK LADD) 2. 07:10 AM - Sad Times (John Hauck) 3. 08:48 AM - Re: FSII mods for a 582 (HShack@aol.com) 4. 10:02 AM - Re: Sad Times (N27SB@aol.com) 5. 10:59 AM - Re: FSII mods for a 582 (Richard Pike) 6. 11:11 AM - Mk3/912 Flight Report (H MITCHELL) 7. 11:35 AM - Re: Sad Times (N27SB@aol.com) 8. 11:59 AM - Test (JACK HART) 9. 11:59 AM - Re: Mk3/912 Flight Report (robert bean) 10. 01:33 PM - Correction - misprint (Richard Pike) 11. 05:22 PM - Norm (Mike Pierzina) 12. 08:09 PM - Re: FSII mods for a 582 (HShack@aol.com) 13. 08:09 PM - Norm Labhart (Aviator Guy) 14. 09:57 PM - Re: FSII mods for a 582 (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:09 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Kolb-List: Crash --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" The sentiments which have been expressed after this sad accident demonstrates the closeness to each other which everyone on this list feels. Condolences from this sid eof the Atlantic. Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:26 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Sad Times --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Good morning all: For your info, here is the obituary for Norm. I especially like this picture. A good way to remember a flying friend: http://www.londonfuneralhome.com/obituary_2.htm Got out of the woods last night. Am loading the rig and heading for London this morning. Talked to Dana Labhart last night when I got home. She is doing well considering the current situation. Dana is a wonderful lady. She was my right hand "gal" during my failed flight to Alaska in 2000. Could not have gotten along without her. This whole situation does not seem real, especially when we lose a good friend. Take care, john h MKIIIc Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:42 AM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII mods for a 582 --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com In a message dated 11/18/2004 1:23:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, richard@bcchapel.org writes: Try it again. Hold down the "Ctrl" button and hit "refresh." Thanks, that worked. I see you inverted the rubber engine mounts; was that to get clearance for the bolt & nut you added ? Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:38 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sad Times --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com Thank you John for posting the info on the funeral home, For those of us many miles away it is difficult to catch up on the details. Even though I had only known Norm for less than a year, because I had worked the last 2 major=20EAA shows I feel that Norm and I had become good friends. Norm had also done the test flights on the floats I helped designed. I cannot express in words the loss that I feel and I know many others feel the same. I was glad to see that a fund was set up for Norm's children. Norm gave so much of his time teaching others to fly Kolb AC safely that it is a nice way for us to give something back. EXPRESSIONS OF SYMPATHY MAY BE MADE TO THE LABHART CHILDREN'S FUND,=20C/O NATIONAL CITY BANK, 535 E. BROADWAY, LOUISVILLE, KY 40202.=A0=A0=A0 Steve Boetto ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:26 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII mods for a 582 --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Not apparent in the photo, but due to the use of an "E" box, it was necessary not only to invert the mounts, but also to get the Kolbra mount extensions from Kolb, the engine has to sit much further up than ideal. A "B" gearbox would have been much better. So now would be a good time to ask: Anyone want to trade a new or very low time 2.58:1 B box and a starter, or a new or low time E box and a starter for a low time 2.62 E box with a built in starter? I will trade off Rotax's best gearbox/starter package just so I can get the engine down snug to the mounts. Richard Pike MKIII N420P do not archive At 11:47 AM 11/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com > >In a message dated 11/18/2004 1:23:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, >richard@bcchapel.org writes: >Try it again. Hold down the "Ctrl" button and hit "refresh." > >Thanks, that worked. > >I see you inverted the rubber engine mounts; was that to get clearance for >the bolt & nut you added ? > >Howard Shackleford >FS II >SC > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:28 AM PST US From: "H MITCHELL" Subject: Kolb-List: Mk3/912 Flight Report Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:10:32 -0500 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" Hey Guys, The worst part of flying is loosing a friend. We have lost our chance to know him better and there is no way to relieve the pain his family is suffering. The rest of us need to tighten up and know that it could happen to any of our group. Yester day I did a little Bondo work on the nose fairing and went flying afterwards. I was stunned to find that my Alt, IAS and ROC were all w-a-a-y off. Post-flight inspection showed that even a slight (very slight) disruption of the airflow around one of my static ports can cause this problem. Spent ~ an hour reworking the area involved. Today. Rolled 7078A out of the hangar this AM, did a thorough preflight and cranked her up. OAT was 50 Deg., visibility was forever and wind was 5 or less. The engine started instantly and after a brief warm-up I flew toward South Georgia for about 30 miles. The Alt, IAS and ROC problem was resolved. I held the rpm at 5,000 (77 mph). That seems to be her sweet spot. On the way back I did a few steep turns and detoured over Lake Seminole. Back at home base I had the whole airport to myself and my landing was a clean "8". At the end of my 20th hour with this bird I am really starting to appreciate the way she handles. She has a safe amount of power and is responsive to every controls input. Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:31 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sad Times --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com Hello to all, For those of you that are interested in donating to the Labhart Children's Fund the details are as follows. National City Bank 535 East Broadway Louisville, KY 40202 Labhart Children's Fund Account # 29299886 Phone # 502-581-4120 Ask for Joshua Mcfarland if you have questions or need help. Steve Boetto ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:19 AM PST US From: JACK HART Subject: Kolb-List: Test --> Kolb-List message posted by: JACK HART do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:20 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3/912 Flight Report --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean On 18, Nov 2004, at 2:10 PM, H MITCHELL wrote: > > > Yester day I did a little Bondo work on the nose fairing and went > flying afterwards. I was stunned to find that my Alt, IAS and ROC were > all w-a-a-y off. Post-flight inspection showed that even a slight > (very slight) disruption of the airflow around one of my static ports > can cause this problem. Being a natural born scrounge artist, when I created my pitot-static system I dug into my HVAC bin and came up with a static probe from an industrial air handler. I twinned that with a gob-o-epoxy onto a piece of thinwall stainless tube that I bent to shape. It stands off about 3-1/2" from the bottom of my handmade nosebowl. Works fine and even survived my off field wheat stubble landing this fall. I put two little rubber caps on them when parked. -BB, waiting for a yamaha venture 1300 radiator from ebay do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:42 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Correction - misprint --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Meant to say in the 2nd paragraph, trade for a low time C box & starter, not trade one E box for another. Fat fingers, & poor typing skill's will get'cha... rp At 01:59 PM 11/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > >Not apparent in the photo, but due to the use of an "E" box, it was >necessary not only to invert the mounts, but also to get the Kolbra mount >extensions from Kolb, the engine has to sit much further up than ideal. A >"B" gearbox would have been much better. > >So now would be a good time to ask: Anyone want to trade a new or very low >time 2.58:1 B box and a starter, or a new or low time E box and a starter >for a low time 2.62 E box with a built in starter? I will trade off Rotax's >best gearbox/starter package just so I can get the engine down snug to the >mounts. > >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P >do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:48 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Norm --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hey Guys... I talked to Norm a few times...about gear box ratio and prop dia. , He helped me with my decision, and I thought it was nice that he took the time to explain it to me... He wrote the "list" and said that he liked the Web Site that I made ( my Firestar II builders site ) and even offered to send me a free hat.... I thought that was pretty nice considering that he didn't even really know me at all... The world can't afford to lose people like him , because there are just too few of them. Gotta Fly... Mike in MN FSII/ 381PM My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... -- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:44 PM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII mods for a 582 --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com In a message dated 11/18/2004 2:00:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, richard@bcchapel.org writes: Not apparent in the photo, but due to the use of an "E" box, it was necessary not only to invert the mounts, but also to get the Kolbra mount extensions from Kolb, the engine has to sit much further up than ideal. Do the "E" & "C" boxes have different heights? We are having no problem running a 66" prop with our "C" box & mounts in the normal mode. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:47 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; b=pDWD9nGRk68jVRTxujJmR6Tmy/wVFUR/CQJsZ5vPmlRaQKT9BfuYKrpXsesHXHRjHljSWS80XiCCtu2/gtV/389wVDctUNm8o81sR0DxGqW65GjDoK5ejFgOF1YPD+1TJ/XUUJHDo+6CnKsw/Be1JeCi7UWpoWAsI7ePG9EwK0UReceived: by 10.38.79.36 with SMTP id c36mr22148rnb; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:09:41 -0800 (PST) From: Aviator Guy Subject: Kolb-List: Norm Labhart --> Kolb-List message posted by: Aviator Guy I spoke with Norm several times on Monday Nov. 15 the day of the horrible accident. The last message I got from him was around 11:20 AM just before he headed out to Kolb's for a little flight over lunch. He was the same old Norm just like always happy and cheerful. I've known Norm for a couple of years now and have to say that he is one person that I have the utmost respect for. He was a really neat guy that was always more than willing to help someone out or teach them something new. Norm you will be greatly missed, you have a wonderful family and more friends than most people could ever imagine. We are all still in awe as to how something like this could happen to such a person as Norm. I know I will truly miss you as will all your other friends. My sympathies go out to Dana and the rest of the Labhart family. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:13 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII mods for a 582 --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike The problem is the starter, it is on the bottom of the E gearbox, and unless we do radical surgery on the Kolb motor mounts, we have to raise the engine up until the starter is safely above the rear motor mount. Or else we could remove the starter from the E box and add one to the mag end of the engine, I suppose... but probably not. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 11:09 PM 11/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com > >In a message dated 11/18/2004 2:00:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, >richard@bcchapel.org writes: >Not apparent in the photo, but due to the use of an "E" box, it was >necessary not only to invert the mounts, but also to get the Kolbra mount >extensions from Kolb, the engine has to sit much further up than ideal. > >Do the "E" & "C" boxes have different heights? We are having no problem >running a 66" prop with our "C" box & mounts in the normal mode. > >Howard Shackleford >FS II >SC > >