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1. 05:29 AM - Re: Identifying older model Kolb (bryan green)
2. 10:06 AM - differential brakes and fuel (Bob and Jenn B)
3. 11:36 AM - Re: vortex generators (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
4. 11:39 AM - Re: differential brakes and fuel (Mhqqqqq@aol.com)
5. 11:49 AM - Re: 10,000 ft MSL in an original firestar (Denny Rowe)
6. 05:35 PM - Re: differential brakes and fuel (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
7. 06:11 PM - Re: differential brakes and fuel (jerb)
8. 07:27 PM - Re: differential brakes and fuel (herbgh@juno.com)
9. 08:29 PM - Re: differential brakes and fuel (Giovanni Day)
10. 09:55 PM - Re: differential brakes and fuel (herbgh@juno.com)
11. 10:00 PM - Re: differential brakes and fuel (jerb)
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| Subject: | Re: Identifying older model Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Morning Jerb, if you do an archive search all that stuff is there. Do not
archive
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Identifying older model Kolb
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Folks,
> I may have an opportunity to purchase an old kit but they may be few
> missing a few items - yet to be determined.
> First I need to identify the model it is - it's an older model produced by
> the "Old" Kolb company, a K something.
>
> If I were to need any parts does new Kolb company support it?
> Unique things like formed or welded parts would be the items, replacing
> missing basic hardware would not be a problem.
>
> The is also a question about running a 503 on it - would it need any mods,
> for a 503.
>
> Is there something about 5 v/s 7 wing ribs?
>
> Thanks, jerb
>
>
>
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| Subject: | differential brakes and fuel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
Looking through the archives, I found a gentleman who used two handles on
the control stick for the mechanical brakes. Has anyone else done this and
does anyone make a handle like that? Also, is there a good location to find
a plastic clear 10 gallon tank (I like to visually see the fuel level) for a
Mk II rather than going with two 5 gallon tanks?
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi Ted, we have not noticed any slower cruise speed on our Xtra.
Mike the Kiwi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted C" <trc1917@direcway.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: vortex generators
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted C <trc1917@direcway.com>
>
> got a quick question. Might have been answered before but --- do these
> affect the faster airspeeds? I mean, if it lowers your landing speed,
> does it creat problems at the faster speeds of say, a SlingShot at 85-90
> mph?
> Seems there would be some kind of bad news at higher speeds. Ted Cowan.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: differential brakes and fuel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mhqqqqq@aol.com
I have a twinstar, much like the mark ll. I put a 10 gal. take inside the
cage but on top of the boom tube. it works just fine.
mark
s.e. minnesota.
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| Subject: | Re: 10,000 ft MSL in an original firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Ellery,
Thanks for the great story and Congrats on making it to 10k.
I'll have to give that a try myself next summer.
Denny Rowe
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: differential brakes and fuel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Bob,
I had my Firestar modified with two hand grips on the control stick for
individual braking. I liked them. I didn't do the work - I'm not much of a
mechanic - but the modification was done by H. L. Cooper at Arizona
Ultralights. Basically, he used two motorcycle master cylinders and clutch
handles. Like I say, they worked fine for me.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: differential brakes and fuel
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
>
> Looking through the archives, I found a gentleman who used two handles on
> the control stick for the mechanical brakes. Has anyone else done this
> and
> does anyone make a handle like that? Also, is there a good location to
> find
> a plastic clear 10 gallon tank (I like to visually see the fuel level) for
> a
> Mk II rather than going with two 5 gallon tanks?
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: differential brakes and fuel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
At 01:05 PM 11/21/04 -0500, you wrote:
>"Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
Bob, sent this to you direct.
You can get a nice light weight 10 Gallon Poly tank from Quad Aircraft,
manufacturer of the Challenger. If I recall right it cost me $104 plus
shipping.
The tank has a sump molded in the bottom - a filler neck with screw on top
along with a port on the top which is used for a fuel pickup probe. Mine
came with the pre-made pickup tube which I didn't use. Instead I made a
plug the dia. of the port (5/8" dia if I recall right) and larger lip on
one end (3/4"). Drill holes thru it for the 1/4" OD main fuel pick up, a
1/4" OD vent tube and a 1/8" OD ny-flo tube for the primer pickup
tubes. (Layout of hole position is important.) The vent tube ends just
inside the plug - the main fuel pickup ends just at the level of the sump,
and the primer pick up tube ends a little above the main pick up tube. The
plug can be made with a couple of ridges and held in by a radiator type
hose clamp. Note that the primer pick up is so small that 1/8" aluminium
tubing is too weak to use, the ny-flo sold by Aircraft Spruce works
good. All tubes are epoxied in place. This manifold as I call it makes it
a little safer for the primer pick up by not having to insert a tee in the
mail fuel having a fragile 1/8" dia. side port for the primer pick up
connection which can easily break off or crack allowing the main fuel line
to suck air. The vent tube should have 1/4" dia tubing run down side of
the tank to the bottom of it and then vented over board - this reduces the
potential of the vent leaking fuel if in the inverted position. Hope this
info helps, jerb
http://www.quadcitychallenger.com/
Quad City Ultralight Aircraft Corp.
Shipping:
3810 34th Street
Moline, IL 61265
Mailing:
PO BOX 370
Moline, IL 61266-0370
(309)764-3515 phone
(309)762-3920 fax
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| Subject: | Re: differential brakes and fuel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Group
Wonder why we cannot prevail on TNK to offer a single 10gal tank.
Surely they kow where to buy it? Their 5 gal was less than 20 dollars a
couple of years ago. 10 gal would be in the 20's by that measure. I have
a 9 gal that I want to use on the Firefly but it is too large to fit and
I do not want to do any cutting. Herb
do not archive
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:14:00 -0600 jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> At 01:05 PM 11/21/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >"Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
>
> Bob, sent this to you direct.
> You can get a nice light weight 10 Gallon Poly tank from Quad
> Aircraft,
> manufacturer of the Challenger. If I recall right it cost me $104
> plus
> shipping.
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| Subject: | differential brakes and fuel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Herb et. al.,
I have spoke to a guy the other day who organized a group of ranger
owner to have a blow molded tank to their liking make. They split the
cost of the mold and every one got a tank with the feature they wanted
for a fair price. Seems to me that if we wanted, we could do the same.
IMHO the 10 gallons on my MKIII are enough as long as I am flying around
the county. Problem is when I want to go XC. I have not done this but
will next summer. Do you plan on any XC in your FF? What is your range
now? What would you be willing to pay for added capacity? One added
issue to added capacity is fuel contamination of water. If you have a
larger tank you will need to keep them full to prevent condensation.
This means your fuel is more likely to go bad if you do not fly enough
each week. This also means flying around with more wt. than is needed
when not going XC. I personal like having smaller tanks for local flying
but would like to have some sort of replacement tank for XC.
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
36.4 hours
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
herbgh@juno.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: differential brakes and fuel
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Group
Wonder why we cannot prevail on TNK to offer a single 10gal tank.
Surely they kow where to buy it? Their 5 gal was less than 20 dollars a
couple of years ago. 10 gal would be in the 20's by that measure. I
have a 9 gal that I want to use on the Firefly but it is too large to
fit and I do not want to do any cutting. Herb
do not archive
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:14:00 -0600 jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> At 01:05 PM 11/21/04 -0500, you wrote:
> >"Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
>
> Bob, sent this to you direct.
> You can get a nice light weight 10 Gallon Poly tank from Quad
> Aircraft,
> manufacturer of the Challenger. If I recall right it cost me $104
> plus
> shipping.
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| Subject: | Re: differential brakes and fuel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Giovanni
I do not yet know what my range is in the Firfly. I would like to
fly 120 miles one way. Rough River State EAA flyin is about 90 odd
miles , the BUG flyin at Bardstown is about 94. LeeLand Stantons flyin is
100 plus at Nancy Ky. I would also like to fly to the Kolb Factory . My
thought is to add a tank behind the current one if CG considerations
allow. Other wise a taller tank in place of the current one . I suspect
that the 10 gal challenger and titan tanks are off the shelf items? Herb
do not archive
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:29:27 -0600 "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day"
> <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>
> Herb et. al.,
>
> I have spoke to a guy the other day who organized a group of
> ranger
> owner to have a blow molded tank to their liking make. They split
> the
> cost of the mold and every one got a tank with the feature they
> wanted
> for a fair price. Seems to me that if we wanted, we could do the
> same.
> IMHO the 10 gallons on my MKIII are enough as long as I am flying
> around
> the county. Problem is when I want to go XC. I have not done this
> but
> will next summer. Do you plan on any XC in your FF? What is your
> range
> now? What would you be willing to pay for added capacity? One added
> issue to added capacity is fuel contamination of water. If you have
> a
> larger tank you will need to keep them full to prevent
> condensation.
> This means your fuel is more likely to go bad if you do not fly
> enough
> each week. This also means flying around with more wt. than is
> needed
> when not going XC. I personal like having smaller tanks for local
> flying
> but would like to have some sort of replacement tank for XC.
>
> Giovanni
> MKIII/912 80566
> 36.4 hours
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> herbgh@juno.com
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: differential brakes and fuel
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
>
> Group
>
> Wonder why we cannot prevail on TNK to offer a single 10gal tank.
> Surely they kow where to buy it? Their 5 gal was less than 20
> dollars a
> couple of years ago. 10 gal would be in the 20's by that measure.
> I
> have a 9 gal that I want to use on the Firefly but it is too large
> to
> fit and I do not want to do any cutting. Herb
>
> do not archive
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:14:00 -0600 jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
> writes:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
> >
> > At 01:05 PM 11/21/04 -0500, you wrote:
> > >"Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Bob, sent this to you direct.
> > You can get a nice light weight 10 Gallon Poly tank from Quad
> > Aircraft,
> > manufacturer of the Challenger. If I recall right it cost me $104
>
> > plus
> > shipping.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | differential brakes and fuel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
I haven't noticed much of a condensation problem with the thin poly tanks
compared to metal.
jerb
At 10:29 PM 11/21/04 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>
>Herb et. al.,
>
> I have spoke to a guy the other day who organized a group of ranger
>owner to have a blow molded tank to their liking make. They split the
>cost of the mold and every one got a tank with the feature they wanted
>for a fair price. Seems to me that if we wanted, we could do the same.
>IMHO the 10 gallons on my MKIII are enough as long as I am flying around
>the county. Problem is when I want to go XC. I have not done this but
>will next summer. Do you plan on any XC in your FF? What is your range
>now? What would you be willing to pay for added capacity? One added
>issue to added capacity is fuel contamination of water. If you have a
>larger tank you will need to keep them full to prevent condensation.
>This means your fuel is more likely to go bad if you do not fly enough
>each week. This also means flying around with more wt. than is needed
>when not going XC. I personal like having smaller tanks for local flying
>but would like to have some sort of replacement tank for XC.
>
>Giovanni
>MKIII/912 80566
>36.4 hours
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>herbgh@juno.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: differential brakes and fuel
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
>
>Group
>
> Wonder why we cannot prevail on TNK to offer a single 10gal tank.
>Surely they kow where to buy it? Their 5 gal was less than 20 dollars a
>couple of years ago. 10 gal would be in the 20's by that measure. I
>have a 9 gal that I want to use on the Firefly but it is too large to
>fit and I do not want to do any cutting. Herb
>
>do not archive
>On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:14:00 -0600 jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> writes:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
> >
> > At 01:05 PM 11/21/04 -0500, you wrote:
> > >"Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Bob, sent this to you direct.
> > You can get a nice light weight 10 Gallon Poly tank from Quad
> > Aircraft,
> > manufacturer of the Challenger. If I recall right it cost me $104
> > plus
> > shipping.
>
>
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