---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/27/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:13 AM - Re: MKIIIC Door plans (Richard Pike) 2. 09:04 AM - W & B (Bob and Jenn B) 3. 11:12 AM - Chris Davis Update (John Hauck) 4. 11:44 AM - BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale (Rusty) 5. 11:47 AM - Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists (Matt Dralle) 6. 11:48 AM - Hauck's holler (Rusty) 7. 02:51 PM - propellers (Larry Cottrell) 8. 04:39 PM - Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale (Rusty) 9. 07:08 PM - Vortex Generation Hell (Beauford) 10. 08:12 PM - Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale (Richard Swiderwski) 11. 08:56 PM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (d7yl) 12. 09:08 PM - [ Beauford Tuton ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 13. 09:25 PM - Re: [ Beauford Tuton ] : New Email List Photo Share (jerb) 14. 09:43 PM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Kolbdriver) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:52 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: RE: Kolb-List: MKIIIC Door plans --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Giovanni, the Old Kolb plan sheet for the MKIII Door Latch is now on the web page. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 07:41 PM 11/25/2004 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" > >Richard, > > >Thanks for the post. I would like to see the latch page also. Thanks >again > > >Giovanni >MKIII/912 80566 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:01 AM PST US From: "Bob and Jenn B" Subject: Kolb-List: W & B --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" Can anyone help with knowledge on this issue of the older Kolbs. The paperwork that I have for my Twinstar Mk II (1988) says an acceptable CG range of 20-40%. Later Firestars however (1990) show a range of 20-35% and they have the same essential dimensions. Has the range been updated so as not to fly so tailheavy or is 40% still a good number for the 2-place? Bob Bennethum ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:00 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Chris Davis Update --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi All: Not much news on Chris Davis' condition. This is from Bob Brocious: John, We spoke with Becky Tuesday. They were hoping to move him to Boston but Chris developed neumonia and some heart problems. They have postponed the move until they figure out what is going on. Chris and Becky were on their way to purchase my Mark III, "Miss B." He had been down once already to look her over. He is an honorable, hard working man. Becky, his wife if 30+ years is a nurse as is his sister. His son is in his 3rd year of medical school. When I hear more I'll let you know. Bob Brocious Tenacity Farm Carrollton, Kentucky We'll try to keep everyone updated when info comes along. Take care, john h Rainy day at hauck's holler. Cold too! :-( DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:49 AM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale 0.00 FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS From: contains numbers mixed in with letters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Greetings, I'm planning to sell the VLS chute that's on the SS that I recently purchased. It appears to be in great shape, always hangered, only driven to church on Sunday by a little old lady :-) You get the idea. Anyway, it was manufactured 01/00, sn-15060. The VLS models used to have a 4 year repack, but that was later changed to 6 years. I have emailed BRS, and verified that this chute is included in the 6 year repack recommendation. In other words, the chute isn't officially due for repack until 01/06. I don't believe it's possible to ship the rocket anymore, though I'm not 100% sure. I sold a BRS (from my original SS) years ago, and could only ship it via next day FedEx. As I recall, it was really expensive. For the purpose of this sale, we'd better assume that it's not possible to ship it, and the buyer needs to make arrangements to pick it up near Pensacola, FL. These models are running around $3k new, so let's say $1500 or best offer. If anyone's interested, let me know. Cheers, Rusty (STILL don't have the SS home to work on it) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:11 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Wow! People have been including some very nice comments along with their Contributions lately! I've included another set of below and will send another set in a couple of days. Guys, I really appreciate your kind words and support. In the last few days, the contributions have really started to come in and its looking like support this year may slightly surpass last year's. There's still a few days left in this year's Fund Raiser, so if you've been waiting until the last minute to make your Contribution, now's the time! Make Your Contribution Today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ----------------- More of What Listers Are Saying... -------------------- Every morning 5:30 am, coffee and the "List". It's how I start my day. Robert G. The list is still my favorite aviation magazine. Roger H. Great resource, without the distraction of pop ups and ads! Douglas D. I look forward to my daily list reading almost as much as my coffee! Hal K. Great service! Aaron G. I have made some great friends, because of it! Bob D. Great resource!! Richard S. I learn something of value every time I read the messages. Stan S. Great list! Thomas E. Now that I am close to completion of my [homebuilt], I look back and wonder how I could ever have made it this far without [the Lists]. Jeff O. Outstanding site and administration. Anthony S. Great forum for our projects. Darrel M. I have become a List Addict! George M. A very helpful resource for me. Dennis K. Great for staying up on the latest. Forrest L. Valuable benefit for the users. George A. Great tool for all [builders]. Tony M. Can't tell you how much I appreciate the archives. Ken B. I really enjoy the sharing of information and the "discussions" that come up. Ross S. [The List] reminds us home builders that help is just a few clicks away. Danny W. A great resource! Christopher S. Always a pleasure to support this list! Richard W. Thanks for helping all of us build better aircraft. John P. Great list(s)for data, info and making friends. John S. [The] List has helped me much with my building process. Raimo T. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:45 AM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: Kolb-List: Hauck's holler --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Hey John, Where exactly is Hauck's Holler? Somewhere in AL? How long is that airstrip of yours, and what kind of shape is it in. Cheers, Rusty (wondering if my RV-3 might be able to visit someday) do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:11 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: propellers --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Hi, I have a wooden Tennessee prop that has a small split at the tip. I cannot remember was there ever any conclusions drawn over the modification of the tips? This one would be a good candidate for such a process. Larry, Or Do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:00 PM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> This just in... I removed the chute today, and found that the case seal is in good shape, however, the top of the case is cracked along the back edge. Seeing this, I would not recommend using this chute without having BRS repack it, and replace the top of the case. They charge $700 for repack, so I'm setting the price at $1300 now. So, whoever buys it, can have a fresh unit, for $2k, and save $1000 over the price of new. Let me know if anyone's interested. If no takers, I'll hit Ebay next week. Since it's got the mounting hardware for a Kolb, I just figured I'd offer it here first. Cheers, Rusty ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:01 PM PST US From: "Beauford" Subject: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Kolb Faithful..... I have crouched covertly in the e-mail ditches on the side of the mainstream vortex generator discussions for the last two weeks or so... noting the limitless enthusiasm which accompanied the widespread acceptance of these reportedly amazing little gizmos as the Kolb bretheren (and Breatherettes, I suppose) plastered these devices on their airplanes and went forth to record astounding changes in the behaviour of the Kolb fleet..... But , until this minute, keeping my personal silence about my own private pain in this matter... I can't stand it anymore....... I believed....!!! I bought in on this thing on the ground floor... I danced stark naked (nekked to those of you south of Chattanooga) around the blazing bonfire of Vortex Generation as the salvation from unintended kinetic events close to the ground... (this is an exercise in metaphoric license... you hard liners can relax) ... I confess that I rubbed myself with a light coat of oil and slunk (slinked..??) out to the airstrip under the cover of darkness and affixed mostly sharp-edged (and a few dull-edged) contrivences on my machine in accordance with the various mantras...hoping to eke out a few extra knots on the skinny side of stall... I have FAILED...!!! FAILED, I tell you...!!! My STALL SPEED HAS INCREASED....!!!! INCREASED....!!!! There... I SAID IT and I am GLAD....!!!!! I cannot live with this in silence anymore.... I measured....remeasured.... then cut and glued... then measured yet again to be deadly sure.... it is done... I have failed.....the machine, to which I gave birth and life, mocks me..... I am undone..... I went far beyond what any reasonable human can be expected to endure in this... these accursed devices have relentlessly penetrated to the core of my being... I awake in a cold sweat screaming "BOUNDRY LAYER.... BOUNDRY LAYER" in the midst of the darkness.... as in the covering process, only a hot glass of MEK, fetched by my bride, can quiet me sufficient to resume rest.... I have this day committed photographic documetation of my pitiful efforts to the Matronics photoshare.... I beg those among you who can speak authoritatively of vortex generation to examine these and offer me counsel.... my stall speed is up to almost 61......I cruise at only 63.... I feel like a U2 pilot at 70K on a hot day... I am either at stall buffet or mach buffet, depending on which direction I sneeze... I am currently looking for a longer airstrip... 3,200 will no longer serve... Beauford, The Aluminum Butcher of Brandon FF #076 Brandon FL ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:17 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderwski" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" Hello Rusty, I have a BRS 900 canister that was on my SS. I would like to go with the VLS version as it has less drag. You wouldn't be needing a canister type by any chance? Would I have much trouble selling mine if its in good condition? What does Ebay charge to sell thru them? My project has been on hold since the hurricanes & now it continues to be on hold till I get myself smart enough to pass the FL State test for math teachers. There's a new law that forbids certficated teachers from teaching Out of field. My BS is in Chemestry & my Masters & Specialists are in counseling. So I've been studying a lot & finding out how ignorant I've been & how much I forgot I never learned! I'll be throwing a pity party this Saturday if I don't pass it. ...Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.come [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Subject: RE: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> This just in... I removed the chute today, and found that the case seal is in good shape, however, the top of the case is cracked along the back edge. Seeing this, I would not recommend using this chute without having BRS repack it, and replace the top of the case. They charge $700 for repack, so I'm setting the price at $1300 now. So, whoever buys it, can have a fresh unit, for $2k, and save $1000 over the price of new. Let me know if anyone's interested. If no takers, I'll hit Ebay next week. Since it's got the mounting hardware for a Kolb, I just figured I'd offer it here first. Cheers, Rusty ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:14 PM PST US From: "d7yl" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: "d7yl" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beauford" Subject: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell > Kolb Faithful..... > I have crouched covertly ... ... about my own private pain in this matter... > I can't stand it anymore....... > My STALL SPEED HAS INCREASED....!!!! INCREASED....!!!! > my stall speed is up to almost 61......I cruise at only 63.... > Perhaps, the culprit is not the wing, but your airspeed indicator. Has the airflow over the pitot or the static port changed appreciably? Have you checked your airspeed against a GPS? regards, Dar7yl ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:55 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Beauford Tuton ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Beauford Tuton Subject: Vortex Generators http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/beauford@tampabay.rr.com.11.27.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:58 PM PST US From: jerb Available! Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Beauford Tuton ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Available! Darn, He put them on the right side of his helmet, why couldn't he follow through on putting them on the right side of the his wings. Maybe they would work better if he flew upside down? jerb At 09:08 PM 11/27/04 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares > > > >A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Beauford Tuton > > > Subject: Vortex Generators > > >http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/beauford@tampabay.rr.com.11.27.2004/index.html > > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures@matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:33 PM PST US From: "Kolbdriver" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" Beauford, I feel your pain!! I nearly Pissed myself when I saw the pic of the helmet augmentation.... ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beauford Subject: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Kolb Faithful..... I have crouched covertly in the e-mail ditches on the side of the mainstream vortex generator discussions for the last two weeks or so... noting the limitless enthusiasm which accompanied the widespread acceptance of these reportedly amazing little gizmos as the Kolb bretheren (and Breatherettes, I suppose) plastered these devices on their airplanes and went forth to record astounding changes in the behaviour of the Kolb fleet..... But , until this minute, keeping my personal silence about my own private pain in this matter... I can't stand it anymore....... I believed....!!! I bought in on this thing on the ground floor... I danced stark naked (nekked to those of you south of Chattanooga) around the blazing bonfire of Vortex Generation as the salvation from unintended kinetic events close to the ground... (this is an exercise in metaphoric license... you hard liners can relax) ... I confess that I rubbed myself with a light coat of oil and slunk (slinked..??) out to the airstrip under the cover of darkness and affixed mostly sharp-edged (and a few dull-edged) contrivences on my machine in accordance with the various mantras...hoping to eke out a few extra knots on the skinny side of stall... I have FAILED...!!! FAILED, I tell you...!!! My STALL SPEED HAS INCREASED....!!!! INCREASED....!!!! There... I SAID IT and I am GLAD....!!!!! I cannot live with this in silence anymore.... I measured....remeasured.... then cut and glued... then measured yet again to be deadly sure.... it is done... I have failed.....the machine, to which I gave birth and life, mocks me..... I am undone..... I went far beyond what any reasonable human can be expected to endure in this... these accursed devices have relentlessly penetrated to the core of my being... I awake in a cold sweat screaming "BOUNDRY LAYER.... BOUNDRY LAYER" in the midst of the darkness.... as in the covering process, only a hot glass of MEK, fetched by my bride, can quiet me sufficient to resume rest.... I have this day committed photographic documetation of my pitiful efforts to the Matronics photoshare.... I beg those among you who can speak authoritatively of vortex generation to examine these and offer me counsel.... my stall speed is up to almost 61......I cruise at only 63.... I feel like a U2 pilot at 70K on a hot day... I am either at stall buffet or mach buffet, depending on which direction I sneeze... I am currently looking for a longer airstrip... 3,200 will no longer serve... Beauford, The Aluminum Butcher of Brandon FF #076 Brandon FL