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1. 05:42 AM - Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale (GeoR38@aol.com)
2. 05:46 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (GeoR38@aol.com)
3. 05:55 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (robert bean)
4. 06:06 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Don Gherardini)
5. 06:13 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Thom Riddle)
6. 06:40 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Beauford)
7. 07:19 AM - Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale (Rusty)
8. 07:44 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (jerb)
9. 07:54 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
10. 09:22 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Beauford)
11. 11:42 AM - EIS (Bob and Jenn B)
12. 12:03 PM - Re: EIS (Beauford)
13. 12:36 PM - Re: EIS (Giovanni Day)
14. 12:44 PM - a little tail (Paul Petty)
15. 01:03 PM - Re: a little tail (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
16. 01:03 PM - Re: propellers (Jack & Louise Hart)
17. 01:04 PM - Re: a little tail (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
18. 01:31 PM - toein/out (robert bean)
19. 01:35 PM - Re: EIS (bryan green)
20. 01:55 PM - Tube smashing (Mike Pierzina)
21. 01:56 PM - Tube smashing (Mike Pierzina)
22. 02:21 PM - Re: EIS (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
23. 02:37 PM - Re: EIS (David M. Lehman)
24. 02:43 PM - Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale (Bill Elder)
25. 04:29 PM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Masqqqqqqq@aol.com)
26. 05:15 PM - Re: vortex generators (HShack@aol.com)
27. 05:25 PM - Re: EIS (Rusty)
28. 05:37 PM - Re: EIS (David M. Lehman)
29. 06:26 PM - Re: FAR technicalities (Rusty)
30. 06:47 PM - Re: Aligning the wheels (Richard Pike)
31. 06:50 PM - Re: FAR technicalities (Giovanni Day)
32. 07:11 PM - Re: EIS (Chuck Riley)
33. 07:26 PM - Re: EIS (Chuck Riley)
34. 07:45 PM - Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale (Richard Swiderwski)
35. 07:45 PM - Re: FAR technicalities (David M. Lehman)
36. 11:00 PM - Re: vortex generators (d7yl)
37. 11:18 PM - Re: EIS (d7yl)
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| Subject: | Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 11/27/2004 11:12:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rswiderski@earthlink.net writes:
My project has been on hold since the hurricanes & now it continues
to be on hold till I get myself smart enough to pass the FL State test for
math teachers. There's a new law that forbids certficated teachers from
teaching
Out of field. My BS is in Chemestry & my Masters & Specialists are in
counseling. So I've been studying a lot & finding out how ignorant I've
been & how much I forgot I never learned! I'll be throwing a pity party this
Saturday if I don't pass it. ...Richard
geeez, a chemistry major ...those were the really smart guys, n gals when I
went to school!!
don't forget to invite me to your party which I'm sure will not be for pity!
I'll be able to get back to work on "By George" now that the Barbershop show
is over....and my storytelling is coming to a close ( what a blast those 3rd
graders were)!
Does anyone out there have a way that you are proud of, of lining up the
main gear?
Should the tires be soft or hard to keep from spreading when pushing or
pulling depending on toe in or toe out?
Does anyone have a system of minor adjustment there instead of drilling a
new hole all the time when the tires are not PERFECTLY aligned? My landing gear
looks like Spongebob down under the axle fitting.
Fortunately, I bent so many trying to land (a long time ago) that I have
some restraightened to play with.
bated breath George
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 11/27/2004 10:08:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Kolb Faithful.....
I have crouched covertly in the e-mail ditches on the side of the mainstream
vortex generator discussions for the last two weeks or so... noting the
limitless enthusiasm which accompanied the widespread acceptance of these
reportedly amazing little gizmos as the Kolb bretheren (and Breatherettes, I
suppose) plastered these devices on their airplanes and went forth to record
astounding changes in the behaviour of the Kolb fleet..... But , until this
minute, keeping my personal silence about my own private pain in this matter...
I can't stand it anymore....... I believed....!!! I bought in on this
thing on the ground floor... I danced stark naked (nekked to those of you
south of Chattanooga) around the blazing bonfire of Vortex Generation as the
salvation from unintended kinetic events close to the ground... (this is an
exercise in metaphoric license... you hard liners can relax) ... I confess
that I rubbed myself with a light coat of oil and slunk (slinked..??) out to
the airstrip under the cover of darkness and affixed mostly sharp-edged (and a
few dull-edged) contrivences on my machine in accordance with the various
mantras...hoping to eke out a few extra knots on the skinny side of stall...
I have FAILED...!!! FAILED, I tell you...!!!
My STALL SPEED HAS INCREASED....!!!! INCREASED....!!!! There... I
SAID IT and I am GLAD....!!!!!
I cannot live with this in silence anymore.... I
measured....remeasured.... then cut and glued... then measured yet again to be
deadly sure....
it is done... I have failed.....the machine, to which I gave birth and
life, mocks me..... I am undone.....
I went far beyond what any reasonable human can be expected to endure in
this... these accursed devices have relentlessly penetrated to the core of my
being... I awake in a cold sweat screaming "BOUNDRY LAYER.... BOUNDRY LAYER"
in the midst of the darkness.... as in the covering process, only a hot
glass of MEK, fetched by my bride, can quiet me sufficient to resume rest....
I have this day committed photographic documetation of my pitiful efforts to
the Matronics photoshare.... I beg those among you who can speak
authoritatively of vortex generation to examine these and offer me counsel....
my stall speed is up to almost 61......I cruise at only 63.... I feel like
a U2 pilot at 70K on a hot day... I am either at stall buffet or mach
buffet, depending on which direction I sneeze... I am currently looking for
a
longer airstrip... 3,200 will no longer serve...
Beauford, The Aluminum Butcher of Brandon
FF #076
Brandon FL
WOW!!
waddaclassic!
George Randolph
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
On 27, Nov 2004, at 10:10 PM, Beauford wrote:
Beauford, it's the seegar that's your undoin'. Chomped in the side of
your mouth it's creating an assymetrical bow pressure wave that
negatizes
the vortexes. -throw that thing overboard.
do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Thanks Beauford,
The way things have been around here for a while, I desperately needed a
smile to start off the day....I owe ya pard....
You Guys come thru around here in the most unexpected ways!
thx to all!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Sorry to disillusion y'all about Beauford's VG experience. Contrary to the real
estate mantra location, location, location is not the problem here. It is that
cigar he is chewing on. EVERYONE knows that chewing on a cigar invalidates all
scientific experiments.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Bean....
Take it from me, the very LAST thing ya wanna do with a good fat juicy
stogie that you've been loading up with spit all day is to throw it over the
side of a pusher airplane..... don't ask me how I know this...
Beauford
do not archive...
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> Beauford, it's the seegar that's your undoin'. -throw that thing
> overboard.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
I have a BRS 900 canister that was on my SS. I would like to go
with the VLS version as it has less drag. You wouldn't be needing a
canister type by any chance? Would I have much trouble selling mine if its
in good condition? What does Ebay charge to sell thru them?
--------------------------------
Hi Richard,
I like to have a chute for test flying phases, but after that, I really
don't want to haul them around. The current SS is waaaaaaay too heavy, so
it's going on a diet, starting with the 25 lb chute.
Ebay would charge about $40 to sell a $1500 item. Here's a link to the fees
page, where you will be tested on those new found math skills :-)
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html
Good luck with the test!
Rusty (first cross country in my rotary powered RV-3 later today)
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Darn Beauford,
Ya got them on the right side of your helmet, couldn't ya just follow
through and put them on the correct side of your wings. I know its gets
confusing as some times they put them on the bottom side of them small
wings on the back of the aeroplane but it becomes even more so when under
the effect of carbon monoxide poisoning from that big stogie. Solution -
have you tried flying upside down, they just might work better, then
again....
jerb
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Beauford, Beauford, Beauford,
Ya Idjit!!! Don'tcha know that if you use yellow VG's you can only fly
at night? No wonder your stall speed has gone up - yellow VG's'll do it
every time. You're lucky you weren't flying on a bright sunny day else you
might have superceeded the VNE (Very Near Excessive) speed of your craft.
Y'see, yellow VG's are affected by sunlight. They catch the sun's rays
and get hot. Then they produce little teeny tiny thermals. These thermals
can't go up 'cuz the wing's in the way so they can only go in an aft
direction and when they do, they produce thrust, just like a jet. That's
why your stall speed went up. You've got all these little teeny tiny jet
ingines pushing you forward.
Geez, I thot everybody knew that. Paint 'em brown or black or bile
green or something and you won't have any more problems.
AzDave
PULEEZE Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Kolb Faithful.....
>
> I have FAILED...!!! FAILED, I tell you...!!!
>
> My STALL SPEED HAS INCREASED....!!!! INCREASED....!!!!
> There... I SAID IT and I am GLAD....!!!!!
>
> I cannot live with this in silence anymore.... I
> measured....remeasured.... then cut and glued... then measured yet
> again to be deadly sure.... it is done... I have failed.....the
> machine, to which I gave birth and life, mocks me..... I am undone.....
BeqaufordB> I have this day committed photographic documetation of my
pitiful efforts to the Matronics photoshare.... I beg those among you who
can speak authoritatively of vortex generation to examine these and offer me
counsel....
> my stall speed is up to almost 61......I cruise at only 63.... I feel
> like a U2 pilot at 70K on a hot day... I am either at stall buffet or
> mach buffet, depending on which direction I sneeze... I am currently
> looking for a longer airstrip... 3,200 will no longer serve...
>
> Beauford, The Aluminum Butcher of Brandon
> FF #076
> Brandon FL
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
At LAST...!!!! Some useful information...!!!
I'm out the door on the way to the strip!
Beauford
do not archive...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
> <pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Beauford, Beauford, Beauford,
>
> Ya Idjit!!! Don'tcha know that if you use yellow VG's you can only fly
> at night? No wonder your stall speed has gone up - yellow VG's'll do it
> every time. You're lucky you weren't flying on a bright sunny day else
> you
> might have superceeded the VNE (Very Near Excessive) speed of your craft.
>
> Y'see, yellow VG's are affected by sunlight. They catch the sun's rays
> and get hot. Then they produce little teeny tiny thermals. These
> thermals
> can't go up 'cuz the wing's in the way so they can only go in an aft
> direction and when they do, they produce thrust, just like a jet. That's
> why your stall speed went up. You've got all these little teeny tiny jet
> ingines pushing you forward.
>
> Geez, I thot everybody knew that. Paint 'em brown or black or bile
> green or something and you won't have any more problems.
>
> AzDave
>
> PULEEZE Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: "Kolb List" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>>
>> Kolb Faithful.....
>>
>> I have FAILED...!!! FAILED, I tell you...!!!
>>
>> My STALL SPEED HAS INCREASED....!!!! INCREASED....!!!!
>> There... I SAID IT and I am GLAD....!!!!!
>>
>> I cannot live with this in silence anymore.... I
>> measured....remeasured.... then cut and glued... then measured yet
>> again to be deadly sure.... it is done... I have failed.....the
>> machine, to which I gave birth and life, mocks me..... I am undone.....
> BeqaufordB> I have this day committed photographic documetation of my
> pitiful efforts to the Matronics photoshare.... I beg those among you who
> can speak authoritatively of vortex generation to examine these and offer
> me
> counsel....
>> my stall speed is up to almost 61......I cruise at only 63.... I feel
>> like a U2 pilot at 70K on a hot day... I am either at stall buffet or
>> mach buffet, depending on which direction I sneeze... I am currently
>> looking for a longer airstrip... 3,200 will no longer serve...
>>
>> Beauford, The Aluminum Butcher of Brandon
>> FF #076
>> Brandon FL
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using just a voltage regulator
or is a battery required?
Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be adjusted for barometric
pressure?
Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an airspeed indicator for a
licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any problems?
Bob
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Bob:
Affirmative to the first one.... mine is hooked up without a battery via a
Key West Regulator....
The altitude can be adjusted in ten foot increments, but I am not aware of
any way to directly load in altimeter settings in inches of mercury (like a
kollsman window) aside from just setting it at field elevation (Each time
you turn it on it offers you the cue to adjust the altitude setting for the
ambient pressure...)
Don't know the answer to the last one....
Beauford
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: EIS
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
>
> For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using just a voltage
> regulator
> or is a battery required?
>
> Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be adjusted for barometric
> pressure?
>
> Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an airspeed indicator for a
> licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any problems?
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Bob,
My unit has the barometric pressure setting. I am also using an EIS,
compass and airspeed, with no fuss from the DAR.
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Jenn
B
Subject: Kolb-List: EIS
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using just a voltage
regulator
or is a battery required?
Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be adjusted for barometric
pressure?
Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an airspeed indicator for a
licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any problems?
Bob
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Greetings Kolbers,
Spent some time with Ms. Dixie this week and weekend... We now have rigged tail
feathers.
Working on the cables>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280001.JPG
another angle>>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280002.JPG
nice to see things come together >> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280006.JPG
Rolled her out in the main shop>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280007.JPG
One push and she rolls right down the line :-) >> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280008.JPG
Lots of work involved here>>>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280012.JPG
Take care guys back to work!
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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| Subject: | Re: a little tail |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Paul,
I know it's not a Kolb, but sure wouldn't mind seeing a pic and
description of that purty little thing with the four bladed prop in pic
number 280008.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: a little tail
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Greetings Kolbers,
> Spent some time with Ms. Dixie this week and weekend... We now have rigged
> tail feathers.
>
>
> One push and she rolls right down the line :-) >>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280008.JPG
>
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 02:50 PM 11/27/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
>Hi,
> I have a wooden Tennessee prop that has a small split at the tip. I cannot
remember was there ever any conclusions drawn over the modification of the tips?
This one would be a good candidate for such a process.
>Larry, Or
>
>Do not archive
>
Larry & Kolbers,
At my last EAA Chapter 453 meeting I saw a new wood Culver propeller that
had an interesting tip. It looks like a regular wing tip where the upper
profile is maintained to the end and the bottom surface is tapered up to
meet the end. The tapered surface looked no longer than 1.5 inches. I asked
about owner about the propeller and he said that the Culver people said that
it made for a quieter propeller.
I am still flying a three bladed IVO with tapered tips but in the other
direction. It is much quieter than before. It can be seen
at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly100.html
It reduced cockpit noise by five db by cutting the tips of a two blade IVO.
I bought another IVO blade and cut it too, and I got another one db noise
reduction due to a lower prop pitch setting. Dropping six db may not seem like
much of a noise reduction, but if you calculate it out in terms of non log
sound intensities it is huge. Dropping six db is the equivalent of a 75%
sound reduction.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: a little tail |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
OOoops, shoulda said pic number 28007.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: a little tail
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
> Greetings Kolbers,
> Spent some time with Ms. Dixie this week and weekend... We now have rigged
> tail feathers.
>
>
> Working on the cables>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280001.JPG
>
> another angle>>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280002.JPG
>
> nice to see things come together >>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280006.JPG
>
> Rolled her out in the main shop>>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280007.JPG
>
> One push and she rolls right down the line :-) >>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280008.JPG
>
> Lots of work involved here>>>>
> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280012.JPG
>
> Take care guys back to work!
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Someone asked a question recently about wheel alignment and I
scuttled the post. Here's what I discovered this past year:
My left gear leg and axle fitting having suffered some abuse, leg
straightening, whackin, and hammering, has a slightly out of round
hole in the axle fitting. If I loosen the little bolt that goes through
there and stick a pipe wrench on the assembly, I can crank it right
to the appropriate angle. I then squeeze down the nut on the pass-
through bolt nice and tight,and so far everything has stayed put.
I imagine if I hit a chuck hole or a rock it may just swing back to the
toe-out position but I'm happy with it as is.
BB go ahead and archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
While we're on EIS, if you have an older engine without the gray tach lead
the EIS tach can't be used with a Key West regulator according to GRT.
(don't ask how I know)
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>
> Bob:
> Affirmative to the first one.... mine is hooked up without a battery via a
> Key West Regulator....
>
> The altitude can be adjusted in ten foot increments, but I am not aware of
> any way to directly load in altimeter settings in inches of mercury (like
> a
> kollsman window) aside from just setting it at field elevation (Each time
> you turn it on it offers you the cue to adjust the altitude setting for
> the
> ambient pressure...)
>
> Don't know the answer to the last one....
> Beauford
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: EIS
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
>>
>> For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using just a voltage
>> regulator
>> or is a battery required?
>>
>> Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be adjusted for barometric
>> pressure?
>>
>> Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an airspeed indicator for a
>> licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any problems?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Paul,
It looks like you OVER flattened the tubes on your elevator and rudder
( losing some strength ).... or does it just look like it in the picture ?
SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Lots of work involved here>>>>
http://www.cgate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280012.JPG
Take care guys back to work!
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
NICE (roomy) SHOP,
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN FSII / 381PM
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Paul,
It looks like you OVER flattened the tubes on your elevator and rudder
( losing some strength ).... or does it just look like it in the picture ?
SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Lots of work involved here>>>>
http://www.cgate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280012.JPG
Take care guys back to work!
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
NICE (roomy) SHOP,
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN FSII / 381PM
Do not archive
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
--
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
Another consideration..... if you are thinking about the Altimeter/VSI mod,
get it at the time you purchase the base unit. It is not a customer "add
on". The base unit has to go to GRT for installation of the Alt/VSI if you
decide later that you want it.
George Alexander
FS II
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of bryan green
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
While we're on EIS, if you have an older engine without the gray tach lead
the EIS tach can't be used with a Key West regulator according to GRT.
(don't ask how I know)
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>
> Bob:
> Affirmative to the first one.... mine is hooked up without a battery via a
> Key West Regulator....
>
> The altitude can be adjusted in ten foot increments, but I am not aware of
> any way to directly load in altimeter settings in inches of mercury (like
> a
> kollsman window) aside from just setting it at field elevation (Each time
> you turn it on it offers you the cue to adjust the altitude setting for
> the
> ambient pressure...)
>
> Don't know the answer to the last one....
> Beauford
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: EIS
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
>>
>> For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using just a voltage
>> regulator
>> or is a battery required?
>>
>> Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be adjusted for barometric
>> pressure?
>>
>> Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an airspeed indicator for a
>> licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any problems?
>>
>> Bob
>>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: " David M. Lehman" <kolbypilot@yahoo.com>
If the DAR did give you trouble, tell him to read FAR
91.205, the FAR that lists basic VFR
equipment/instrument requirements... FAR 91.205
doesn't apply to experimental/amateur-built
aircraft...
An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have
to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest
way to fly, but nonetheless, not required...
DVD
--- Giovanni Day <gde01@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day"
> <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> My unit has the barometric pressure setting. I am
> also using an EIS,
> compass and airspeed, with no fuss from the DAR.
>
> Giovanni
> MKIII/912 80566
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob and Jenn
> B
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: EIS
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B"
> <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
>
> For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using
> just a voltage
> regulator
> or is a battery required?
>
> Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be
> adjusted for barometric
>
> pressure?
>
> Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an
> airspeed indicator for a
> licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any
> problems?
>
> Bob
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| Subject: | Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
George - Here's how I lined up the main gear after I bent the axels on my
Mark III Classic and put on new gear legs:
1. Snap a line on the hangar floor and put the tailwheel on the line. Then
drop a plumb off the nose hoop to get the front of the plane on the line.
2. Went to ACE Hardware and bought two 8' pieces of 3/4 inch alum. angle.
Use a bungee cord to strap the alum angle to the outside of the tire
horizontal with the floor (equal length of angle in front and behind the
tire).
3. Measure from the front of the angle to the line snapped on the floor,
and then from the rear of the angle to the snapped line, and rotate the axel
up or down until the front and rear measurements are the same.
4. Repeat for other tire. Worked well for me. Call if you have questions
at 303-838-2240.
Bill in Colorado
P.S. I then returned the alum angle to Ace for a refund.
----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoR38@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2004 11:12:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> rswiderski@earthlink.net writes:
>
> My project has been on hold since the hurricanes & now it continues
> to be on hold till I get myself smart enough to pass the FL State test
for
> math teachers. There's a new law that forbids certficated teachers from
> teaching
> Out of field. My BS is in Chemestry & my Masters & Specialists are in
> counseling. So I've been studying a lot & finding out how ignorant I've
> been & how much I forgot I never learned! I'll be throwing a pity party
this
> Saturday if I don't pass it. ...Richard
>
>
> geeez, a chemistry major ...those were the really smart guys, n gals when
I
> went to school!!
> don't forget to invite me to your party which I'm sure will not be for
pity!
> I'll be able to get back to work on "By George" now that the Barbershop
show
> is over....and my storytelling is coming to a close ( what a blast those
3rd
> graders were)!
>
> Does anyone out there have a way that you are proud of, of lining up the
> main gear?
>
> Should the tires be soft or hard to keep from spreading when pushing or
> pulling depending on toe in or toe out?
>
> Does anyone have a system of minor adjustment there instead of drilling a
> new hole all the time when the tires are not PERFECTLY aligned? My landing
gear
> looks like Spongebob down under the axle fitting.
>
> Fortunately, I bent so many trying to land (a long time ago) that I have
> some restraightened to play with.
>
> bated breath George
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generation Hell |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com
I suspect you coated yourself with a light coat of the wrong kind of
oil........everyone knows that only oil from a black bear is proper for slinking
around in the dark and performing this ritual.
I put homemade vortex generators on my UltraStar, and the improvement is
amazing enough to make me wish I'd done it 10 years ago.
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 11/25/2004 12:57:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
d7yl@telus.net writes:
You've got to ask yourself? 1) how long is the glue going to hold up? 2)
What happens when those bitty pieces of plastic/metal/whatever go flying
through your prop?
regards,
Dar7yl
My homemade ones stayed on for over 400 hrs. without losing any.
If one did go through the prop I don't think it would do any damage; they are
so light.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have
to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest
way to fly, but nonetheless, not required...
DVD
----------------------------------
Sorry, but I think you're wrong about this one. There are all sorts of
places in the FARs where it appears that experimentals are exempt, but you
can usually read these passages in more than one way. The FAA will not be
reading it your way :-)
I had a difficult time with the inspection of my first SS, due to the fact
that I couldn't show the DAR proper markings for the engine instruments.
Eventually, he accepted that the EIS contained the required "markings" in
the programming of the unit. I can only imagine what he might have said
about using it for altimeter, though I'll find out when I get the latest SS
ready to be inspected.
Cheers,
Rusty (finding more and more issues with the latest SS...)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: " David M. Lehman" <kolbypilot@yahoo.com>
"Sorry, but I think you're wrong about this one."
Rusty, here's the way it reads...
Sec. 91.205 Powered civil aircraft with standard
category U.S. airworthiness certificates: Instrument
and equipment requirements...
The only way the DAR could require you to meet any or
all the requirements of 91.205 is to put the
requirement(s) in your operating limitations...
"The FAA will not be reading it your way :-)"...
They do where I work ;-)...
Regards...
DVD
--- Rusty <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty"
> <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
> An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have
> to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest
> way to fly, but nonetheless, not required...
>
> DVD
> ----------------------------------
>
>
> Sorry, but I think you're wrong about this one.
> There are all sorts of
> places in the FARs where it appears that
> experimentals are exempt, but you
> can usually read these passages in more than one
> way. The FAA will not be
> reading it your way :-)
>
> I had a difficult time with the inspection of my
> first SS, due to the fact
> that I couldn't show the DAR proper markings for the
> engine instruments.
> Eventually, he accepted that the EIS contained the
> required "markings" in
> the programming of the unit. I can only imagine
> what he might have said
> about using it for altimeter, though I'll find out
> when I get the latest SS
> ready to be inspected.
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty (finding more and more issues with the latest
> SS...)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | FAR technicalities |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
The only way the DAR could require you to meet any or
all the requirements of 91.205 is to put the
requirement(s) in your operating limitations...
------------------------
Well, "technically", the FARs may not require any instruments, but every
DAR, and probably every FAA inspector will write it into your operating
limitations. It's certainly in all mine.
Cheers,
Rusty (instruments? I don't need no stinkin' instruments)
Do not archive , fold, spindle, or mutilate, and refrigerate after opening
:-)
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| Subject: | Re: Aligning the wheels |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Don't know if this is the best way, but it here it is -
For the MKIII, aligned the gear by going to Lowes and buying a bronze
grounding rod, the sort you drive into the ground and clamp a wire to. If
you take out the axles on the MKIII welded fittings that go at the end of
the gear legs, the bronze rod is a slip fit through the axle hole. With the
airplane on jack stands, slide it through one, and then force it to curve
so it will also slide through the other one. Now both end fittings are in
alignment, mark and drill the holes through the lower end of the gear legs.
If you haven't experienced them before, the axles are tough steel, use
brand new premium drill bits and low rpm's on the drill, keep them oiled,
cool, and cutting or the axle will work harden and you will really have a
difficult situation.
For the FSII, we did it a bit different, since there seems to be a lot of
variation between loaded and unloaded toe in/toe out. We put the pilot into
the seat (weighted it down) and waggled the airplane until the tires
decided where they wanted to be. Had already dropped a plumb line down the
middle of the airplane, made a line on the floor, and then used a straight
edge alongside the tire to align the tire to the centerline. Had to hold
pressure on the axle fitting because the weight made the tire want to turn.
Carefully marked where the hole needed to go, disassembled everything and
then drilled the hole through the lower gear leg.
Since we haven't got the FSII finished yet, time will tell if that was the
best method.
The method on the MKIII works, it tracks perfect and tire wear is even.
As far as what to do when things are not perfectly aligned? Fly off grass &
you'll hardly notice it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
FSII N582EF (582Ed'sFirestar)
At 08:42 AM 11/28/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
>
>Does anyone out there have a way that you are proud of, of lining up the
>main gear?
>
>Should the tires be soft or hard to keep from spreading when pushing or
>pulling depending on toe in or toe out?
>
>Does anyone have a system of minor adjustment there instead of drilling a
>new hole all the time when the tires are not PERFECTLY aligned? My landing
>gear
>looks like Spongebob down under the axle fitting.
>
>Fortunately, I bent so many trying to land (a long time ago) that I have
>some restraightened to play with.
>
>bated breath George
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| Subject: | FAR technicalities |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Rusty,
I am with you. I had a GA type friend of mine in a quicksilver. He asks
where is the altimeter and VSI? I explained the inverse relationship of
object size to altitude. I also told him to look down at the ground, if
things are getting bigger, you are going down, if they are getting
smaller, you are going up. As I think someone on this list said "KISS".
I must confess I have those on the MKIII though.
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rusty
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: FAR technicalities
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
The only way the DAR could require you to meet any or
all the requirements of 91.205 is to put the
requirement(s) in your operating limitations...
------------------------
Well, "technically", the FARs may not require any instruments, but every
DAR, and probably every FAA inspector will write it into your operating
limitations. It's certainly in all mine.
Cheers,
Rusty (instruments? I don't need no stinkin' instruments)
Do not archive , fold, spindle, or mutilate, and refrigerate after
opening
:-)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Riley" <riley.nancy@comcast.net>
Any comment David
ROTS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: EIS
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
> An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have
> to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest
> way to fly, but nonetheless, not required...
>
> DVD
> ----------------------------------
>
>
> Sorry, but I think you're wrong about this one. There are all sorts of
> places in the FARs where it appears that experimentals are exempt, but you
> can usually read these passages in more than one way. The FAA will not be
> reading it your way :-)
>
> I had a difficult time with the inspection of my first SS, due to the fact
> that I couldn't show the DAR proper markings for the engine instruments.
> Eventually, he accepted that the EIS contained the required "markings" in
> the programming of the unit. I can only imagine what he might have said
> about using it for altimeter, though I'll find out when I get the latest
SS
> ready to be inspected.
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty (finding more and more issues with the latest SS...)
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Riley" <riley.nancy@comcast.net>
I know I should have read further down
ROTS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Riley" <riley.nancy@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Riley" <riley.nancy@comcast.net>
>
> Any comment David
> ROTS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: EIS
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have
> > to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest
> > way to fly, but nonetheless, not required...
> >
> > DVD
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but I think you're wrong about this one. There are all sorts of
> > places in the FARs where it appears that experimentals are exempt, but
you
> > can usually read these passages in more than one way. The FAA will not
be
> > reading it your way :-)
> >
> > I had a difficult time with the inspection of my first SS, due to the
fact
> > that I couldn't show the DAR proper markings for the engine instruments.
> > Eventually, he accepted that the EIS contained the required "markings"
in
> > the programming of the unit. I can only imagine what he might have said
> > about using it for altimeter, though I'll find out when I get the latest
> SS
> > ready to be inspected.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rusty (finding more and more issues with the latest SS...)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Rusty,
Thanks for the address. I know you will be grinning on that cross
country!
Richard
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rusty
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
I have a BRS 900 canister that was on my SS. I would like to go
with the VLS version as it has less drag. You wouldn't be needing a
canister type by any chance? Would I have much trouble selling mine if its
in good condition? What does Ebay charge to sell thru them?
--------------------------------
Hi Richard,
I like to have a chute for test flying phases, but after that, I really
don't want to haul them around. The current SS is waaaaaaay too heavy, so
it's going on a diet, starting with the 25 lb chute.
Ebay would charge about $40 to sell a $1500 item. Here's a link to the fees
page, where you will be tested on those new found math skills :-)
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html
Good luck with the test!
Rusty (first cross country in my rotary powered RV-3 later today)
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| Subject: | FAR technicalities |
From": "\364\277\364 David M. Leh..."@matronics.com
--> Kolb-List message posted by: " David M. Lehman" <kolbypilot@yahoo.com>
Probably time to let this thread retire, but...
FAA Inspectors and DARs get their ammunition from the
FARS and FAA Order 8130.2E... The operating
limitations come from ".2E"... The only operating
limitation reference in ".2E" to instruments in an
experimental amateur-built aircraft is a requirement
to maintain the instruments IF installed...
The local FSDO inspectors will certificate an
experimental amateur-built aircraft without
instruments... Not all FSDO see things the same (dumb
statement)...
Regards...
DVD
--- Rusty <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty"
> <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
> The only way the DAR could require you to meet any
> or
> all the requirements of 91.205 is to put the
> requirement(s) in your operating limitations...
> ------------------------
>
> Well, "technically", the FARs may not require any
> instruments, but every
> DAR, and probably every FAA inspector will write it
> into your operating
> limitations. It's certainly in all mine.
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty (instruments? I don't need no stinkin'
> instruments)
>
> Do not archive , fold, spindle, or mutilate, and
> refrigerate after opening
> :-)
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| Subject: | Re: vortex generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "d7yl" <d7yl@telus.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <HShack@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: vortex generators
> Dar7yl writes:
>> You've got to ask yourself? 1) how long is the glue going to hold up?
>> 2)
>> What happens when those bitty pieces of plastic/metal/whatever go flying
> >through your prop?
>
> My homemade ones stayed on for over 400 hrs. without losing any.
> If one did go through the prop I don't think it would do any damage; they
> are
> so light.
Just trying to keep you guys safe. I'm satisfied that you are on top of the
situation. It's just that I've seen tapes that don't last a month out in
UV, and bad things going through props.
The list of things to check on preflight is always increasing.
But then again, every minute spent on preflight is worth at least three
hours of wrenching afterwards.
regards,
Dar7yl.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "d7yl" <d7yl@telus.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: " David M. Lehman"
> An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have
> to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest
> way to fly, but nonetheless, not required...
Up here north of the 49, all aircraft are required to have the basic VFR
flying instruments: altimeter, airspeed and compass. Over and above that,
you don't HAVE to use any other instruments, but you are acting really
stupid if you don't take advantage of them.
regards,
Dar7yl.
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