---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/28/04: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:42 AM - Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale (GeoR38@aol.com) 2. 05:46 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (GeoR38@aol.com) 3. 05:55 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (robert bean) 4. 06:06 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Don Gherardini) 5. 06:13 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Thom Riddle) 6. 06:40 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Beauford) 7. 07:19 AM - Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale (Rusty) 8. 07:44 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (jerb) 9. 07:54 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 10. 09:22 AM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Beauford) 11. 11:42 AM - EIS (Bob and Jenn B) 12. 12:03 PM - Re: EIS (Beauford) 13. 12:36 PM - Re: EIS (Giovanni Day) 14. 12:44 PM - a little tail (Paul Petty) 15. 01:03 PM - Re: a little tail (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 16. 01:03 PM - Re: propellers (Jack & Louise Hart) 17. 01:04 PM - Re: a little tail (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 18. 01:31 PM - toein/out (robert bean) 19. 01:35 PM - Re: EIS (bryan green) 20. 01:55 PM - Tube smashing (Mike Pierzina) 21. 01:56 PM - Tube smashing (Mike Pierzina) 22. 02:21 PM - Re: EIS (George T. Alexander, Jr.) 23. 02:37 PM - Re: EIS (David M. Lehman) 24. 02:43 PM - Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale (Bill Elder) 25. 04:29 PM - Re: Vortex Generation Hell (Masqqqqqqq@aol.com) 26. 05:15 PM - Re: vortex generators (HShack@aol.com) 27. 05:25 PM - Re: EIS (Rusty) 28. 05:37 PM - Re: EIS (David M. Lehman) 29. 06:26 PM - Re: FAR technicalities (Rusty) 30. 06:47 PM - Re: Aligning the wheels (Richard Pike) 31. 06:50 PM - Re: FAR technicalities (Giovanni Day) 32. 07:11 PM - Re: EIS (Chuck Riley) 33. 07:26 PM - Re: EIS (Chuck Riley) 34. 07:45 PM - Re: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale (Richard Swiderwski) 35. 07:45 PM - Re: FAR technicalities (David M. Lehman) 36. 11:00 PM - Re: vortex generators (d7yl) 37. 11:18 PM - Re: EIS (d7yl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:39 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 11/27/2004 11:12:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rswiderski@earthlink.net writes: My project has been on hold since the hurricanes & now it continues to be on hold till I get myself smart enough to pass the FL State test for math teachers. There's a new law that forbids certficated teachers from teaching Out of field. My BS is in Chemestry & my Masters & Specialists are in counseling. So I've been studying a lot & finding out how ignorant I've been & how much I forgot I never learned! I'll be throwing a pity party this Saturday if I don't pass it. ...Richard geeez, a chemistry major ...those were the really smart guys, n gals when I went to school!! don't forget to invite me to your party which I'm sure will not be for pity! I'll be able to get back to work on "By George" now that the Barbershop show is over....and my storytelling is coming to a close ( what a blast those 3rd graders were)! Does anyone out there have a way that you are proud of, of lining up the main gear? Should the tires be soft or hard to keep from spreading when pushing or pulling depending on toe in or toe out? Does anyone have a system of minor adjustment there instead of drilling a new hole all the time when the tires are not PERFECTLY aligned? My landing gear looks like Spongebob down under the axle fitting. Fortunately, I bent so many trying to land (a long time ago) that I have some restraightened to play with. bated breath George ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:35 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 11/27/2004 10:08:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, beauford@tampabay.rr.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Kolb Faithful..... I have crouched covertly in the e-mail ditches on the side of the mainstream vortex generator discussions for the last two weeks or so... noting the limitless enthusiasm which accompanied the widespread acceptance of these reportedly amazing little gizmos as the Kolb bretheren (and Breatherettes, I suppose) plastered these devices on their airplanes and went forth to record astounding changes in the behaviour of the Kolb fleet..... But , until this minute, keeping my personal silence about my own private pain in this matter... I can't stand it anymore....... I believed....!!! I bought in on this thing on the ground floor... I danced stark naked (nekked to those of you south of Chattanooga) around the blazing bonfire of Vortex Generation as the salvation from unintended kinetic events close to the ground... (this is an exercise in metaphoric license... you hard liners can relax) ... I confess that I rubbed myself with a light coat of oil and slunk (slinked..??) out to the airstrip under the cover of darkness and affixed mostly sharp-edged (and a few dull-edged) contrivences on my machine in accordance with the various mantras...hoping to eke out a few extra knots on the skinny side of stall... I have FAILED...!!! FAILED, I tell you...!!! My STALL SPEED HAS INCREASED....!!!! INCREASED....!!!! There... I SAID IT and I am GLAD....!!!!! I cannot live with this in silence anymore.... I measured....remeasured.... then cut and glued... then measured yet again to be deadly sure.... it is done... I have failed.....the machine, to which I gave birth and life, mocks me..... I am undone..... I went far beyond what any reasonable human can be expected to endure in this... these accursed devices have relentlessly penetrated to the core of my being... I awake in a cold sweat screaming "BOUNDRY LAYER.... BOUNDRY LAYER" in the midst of the darkness.... as in the covering process, only a hot glass of MEK, fetched by my bride, can quiet me sufficient to resume rest.... I have this day committed photographic documetation of my pitiful efforts to the Matronics photoshare.... I beg those among you who can speak authoritatively of vortex generation to examine these and offer me counsel.... my stall speed is up to almost 61......I cruise at only 63.... I feel like a U2 pilot at 70K on a hot day... I am either at stall buffet or mach buffet, depending on which direction I sneeze... I am currently looking for a longer airstrip... 3,200 will no longer serve... Beauford, The Aluminum Butcher of Brandon FF #076 Brandon FL WOW!! waddaclassic! George Randolph do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:48 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean On 27, Nov 2004, at 10:10 PM, Beauford wrote: Beauford, it's the seegar that's your undoin'. Chomped in the side of your mouth it's creating an assymetrical bow pressure wave that negatizes the vortexes. -throw that thing overboard. do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:12 AM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Thanks Beauford, The way things have been around here for a while, I desperately needed a smile to start off the day....I owe ya pard.... You Guys come thru around here in the most unexpected ways! thx to all! Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:36 AM PST US From: "Thom Riddle" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" Sorry to disillusion y'all about Beauford's VG experience. Contrary to the real estate mantra location, location, location is not the problem here. It is that cigar he is chewing on. EVERYONE knows that chewing on a cigar invalidates all scientific experiments. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:12 AM PST US From: "Beauford" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Brother Bean.... Take it from me, the very LAST thing ya wanna do with a good fat juicy stogie that you've been loading up with spit all day is to throw it over the side of a pusher airplane..... don't ask me how I know this... Beauford do not archive... ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bean" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell > --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean > Beauford, it's the seegar that's your undoin'. -throw that thing > overboard. >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:34 AM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> I have a BRS 900 canister that was on my SS. I would like to go with the VLS version as it has less drag. You wouldn't be needing a canister type by any chance? Would I have much trouble selling mine if its in good condition? What does Ebay charge to sell thru them? -------------------------------- Hi Richard, I like to have a chute for test flying phases, but after that, I really don't want to haul them around. The current SS is waaaaaaay too heavy, so it's going on a diet, starting with the 25 lb chute. Ebay would charge about $40 to sell a $1500 item. Here's a link to the fees page, where you will be tested on those new found math skills :-) http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html Good luck with the test! Rusty (first cross country in my rotary powered RV-3 later today) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:45 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Darn Beauford, Ya got them on the right side of your helmet, couldn't ya just follow through and put them on the correct side of your wings. I know its gets confusing as some times they put them on the bottom side of them small wings on the back of the aeroplane but it becomes even more so when under the effect of carbon monoxide poisoning from that big stogie. Solution - have you tried flying upside down, they just might work better, then again.... jerb ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:46 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Beauford, Beauford, Beauford, Ya Idjit!!! Don'tcha know that if you use yellow VG's you can only fly at night? No wonder your stall speed has gone up - yellow VG's'll do it every time. You're lucky you weren't flying on a bright sunny day else you might have superceeded the VNE (Very Near Excessive) speed of your craft. Y'see, yellow VG's are affected by sunlight. They catch the sun's rays and get hot. Then they produce little teeny tiny thermals. These thermals can't go up 'cuz the wing's in the way so they can only go in an aft direction and when they do, they produce thrust, just like a jet. That's why your stall speed went up. You've got all these little teeny tiny jet ingines pushing you forward. Geez, I thot everybody knew that. Paint 'em brown or black or bile green or something and you won't have any more problems. AzDave PULEEZE Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beauford" Subject: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" > > Kolb Faithful..... > > I have FAILED...!!! FAILED, I tell you...!!! > > My STALL SPEED HAS INCREASED....!!!! INCREASED....!!!! > There... I SAID IT and I am GLAD....!!!!! > > I cannot live with this in silence anymore.... I > measured....remeasured.... then cut and glued... then measured yet > again to be deadly sure.... it is done... I have failed.....the > machine, to which I gave birth and life, mocks me..... I am undone..... BeqaufordB> I have this day committed photographic documetation of my pitiful efforts to the Matronics photoshare.... I beg those among you who can speak authoritatively of vortex generation to examine these and offer me counsel.... > my stall speed is up to almost 61......I cruise at only 63.... I feel > like a U2 pilot at 70K on a hot day... I am either at stall buffet or > mach buffet, depending on which direction I sneeze... I am currently > looking for a longer airstrip... 3,200 will no longer serve... > > Beauford, The Aluminum Butcher of Brandon > FF #076 > Brandon FL > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:05 AM PST US From: "Beauford" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" At LAST...!!!! Some useful information...!!! I'm out the door on the way to the strip! Beauford do not archive... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" > > > Beauford, Beauford, Beauford, > > Ya Idjit!!! Don'tcha know that if you use yellow VG's you can only fly > at night? No wonder your stall speed has gone up - yellow VG's'll do it > every time. You're lucky you weren't flying on a bright sunny day else > you > might have superceeded the VNE (Very Near Excessive) speed of your craft. > > Y'see, yellow VG's are affected by sunlight. They catch the sun's rays > and get hot. Then they produce little teeny tiny thermals. These > thermals > can't go up 'cuz the wing's in the way so they can only go in an aft > direction and when they do, they produce thrust, just like a jet. That's > why your stall speed went up. You've got all these little teeny tiny jet > ingines pushing you forward. > > Geez, I thot everybody knew that. Paint 'em brown or black or bile > green or something and you won't have any more problems. > > AzDave > > PULEEZE Do Not Archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beauford" > To: "Kolb List" > Subject: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" >> >> Kolb Faithful..... >> >> I have FAILED...!!! FAILED, I tell you...!!! >> >> My STALL SPEED HAS INCREASED....!!!! INCREASED....!!!! >> There... I SAID IT and I am GLAD....!!!!! >> >> I cannot live with this in silence anymore.... I >> measured....remeasured.... then cut and glued... then measured yet >> again to be deadly sure.... it is done... I have failed.....the >> machine, to which I gave birth and life, mocks me..... I am undone..... > BeqaufordB> I have this day committed photographic documetation of my > pitiful efforts to the Matronics photoshare.... I beg those among you who > can speak authoritatively of vortex generation to examine these and offer > me > counsel.... >> my stall speed is up to almost 61......I cruise at only 63.... I feel >> like a U2 pilot at 70K on a hot day... I am either at stall buffet or >> mach buffet, depending on which direction I sneeze... I am currently >> looking for a longer airstrip... 3,200 will no longer serve... >> >> Beauford, The Aluminum Butcher of Brandon >> FF #076 >> Brandon FL >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:20 AM PST US From: "Bob and Jenn B" Subject: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using just a voltage regulator or is a battery required? Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be adjusted for barometric pressure? Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an airspeed indicator for a licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any problems? Bob ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:25 PM PST US From: "Beauford" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" Bob: Affirmative to the first one.... mine is hooked up without a battery via a Key West Regulator.... The altitude can be adjusted in ten foot increments, but I am not aware of any way to directly load in altimeter settings in inches of mercury (like a kollsman window) aside from just setting it at field elevation (Each time you turn it on it offers you the cue to adjust the altitude setting for the ambient pressure...) Don't know the answer to the last one.... Beauford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob and Jenn B" Subject: Kolb-List: EIS > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" > > For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using just a voltage > regulator > or is a battery required? > > Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be adjusted for barometric > pressure? > > Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an airspeed indicator for a > licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any problems? > > Bob > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:32 PM PST US From: "Giovanni Day" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" Bob, My unit has the barometric pressure setting. I am also using an EIS, compass and airspeed, with no fuss from the DAR. Giovanni MKIII/912 80566 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Jenn B Subject: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using just a voltage regulator or is a battery required? Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be adjusted for barometric pressure? Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an airspeed indicator for a licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any problems? Bob ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:35 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: a little tail --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Greetings Kolbers, Spent some time with Ms. Dixie this week and weekend... We now have rigged tail feathers. Working on the cables>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280001.JPG another angle>>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280002.JPG nice to see things come together >> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280006.JPG Rolled her out in the main shop>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280007.JPG One push and she rolls right down the line :-) >> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280008.JPG Lots of work involved here>>>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280012.JPG Take care guys back to work! Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:05 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a little tail --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Paul, I know it's not a Kolb, but sure wouldn't mind seeing a pic and description of that purty little thing with the four bladed prop in pic number 280008. AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: a little tail > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Greetings Kolbers, > Spent some time with Ms. Dixie this week and weekend... We now have rigged > tail feathers. > > > One push and she rolls right down the line :-) >> > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280008.JPG > > > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:55 PM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: propellers --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart At 02:50 PM 11/27/04 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" > >Hi, > I have a wooden Tennessee prop that has a small split at the tip. I cannot remember was there ever any conclusions drawn over the modification of the tips? This one would be a good candidate for such a process. >Larry, Or > >Do not archive > Larry & Kolbers, At my last EAA Chapter 453 meeting I saw a new wood Culver propeller that had an interesting tip. It looks like a regular wing tip where the upper profile is maintained to the end and the bottom surface is tapered up to meet the end. The tapered surface looked no longer than 1.5 inches. I asked about owner about the propeller and he said that the Culver people said that it made for a quieter propeller. I am still flying a three bladed IVO with tapered tips but in the other direction. It is much quieter than before. It can be seen at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly100.html It reduced cockpit noise by five db by cutting the tips of a two blade IVO. I bought another IVO blade and cut it too, and I got another one db noise reduction due to a lower prop pitch setting. Dropping six db may not seem like much of a noise reduction, but if you calculate it out in terms of non log sound intensities it is huge. Dropping six db is the equivalent of a 75% sound reduction. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:06 PM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: a little tail --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" OOoops, shoulda said pic number 28007. Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: a little tail > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Greetings Kolbers, > Spent some time with Ms. Dixie this week and weekend... We now have rigged > tail feathers. > > > Working on the cables>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280001.JPG > > another angle>>> http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280002.JPG > > nice to see things come together >> > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280006.JPG > > Rolled her out in the main shop>> > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280007.JPG > > One push and she rolls right down the line :-) >> > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280008.JPG > > Lots of work involved here>>>> > http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280012.JPG > > Take care guys back to work! > > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:52 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: toein/out --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Someone asked a question recently about wheel alignment and I scuttled the post. Here's what I discovered this past year: My left gear leg and axle fitting having suffered some abuse, leg straightening, whackin, and hammering, has a slightly out of round hole in the axle fitting. If I loosen the little bolt that goes through there and stick a pipe wrench on the assembly, I can crank it right to the appropriate angle. I then squeeze down the nut on the pass- through bolt nice and tight,and so far everything has stayed put. I imagine if I hit a chuck hole or a rock it may just swing back to the toe-out position but I'm happy with it as is. BB go ahead and archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:30 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" While we're on EIS, if you have an older engine without the gray tach lead the EIS tach can't be used with a Key West regulator according to GRT. (don't ask how I know) Bryan Green Elgin SC Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beauford" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" > > > Bob: > Affirmative to the first one.... mine is hooked up without a battery via a > Key West Regulator.... > > The altitude can be adjusted in ten foot increments, but I am not aware of > any way to directly load in altimeter settings in inches of mercury (like > a > kollsman window) aside from just setting it at field elevation (Each time > you turn it on it offers you the cue to adjust the altitude setting for > the > ambient pressure...) > > Don't know the answer to the last one.... > Beauford > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob and Jenn B" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: EIS > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" >> >> For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using just a voltage >> regulator >> or is a battery required? >> >> Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be adjusted for barometric >> pressure? >> >> Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an airspeed indicator for a >> licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any problems? >> >> Bob >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:20 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Tube smashing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hey Paul, It looks like you OVER flattened the tubes on your elevator and rudder ( losing some strength ).... or does it just look like it in the picture ? SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Lots of work involved here>>>> http://www.cgate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280012.JPG Take care guys back to work! Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NICE (roomy) SHOP, Gotta Fly... Mike in MN FSII / 381PM My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... -- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:07 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Tube smashing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hey Paul, It looks like you OVER flattened the tubes on your elevator and rudder ( losing some strength ).... or does it just look like it in the picture ? SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Lots of work involved here>>>> http://www.cgate.net/~ppetty/photos/PB280012.JPG Take care guys back to work! Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NICE (roomy) SHOP, Gotta Fly... Mike in MN FSII / 381PM Do not archive My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... -- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:44 PM PST US From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Another consideration..... if you are thinking about the Altimeter/VSI mod, get it at the time you purchase the base unit. It is not a customer "add on". The base unit has to go to GRT for installation of the Alt/VSI if you decide later that you want it. George Alexander FS II http://gtalexander.home.att.net DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" While we're on EIS, if you have an older engine without the gray tach lead the EIS tach can't be used with a Key West regulator according to GRT. (don't ask how I know) Bryan Green Elgin SC Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beauford" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" > > > Bob: > Affirmative to the first one.... mine is hooked up without a battery via a > Key West Regulator.... > > The altitude can be adjusted in ten foot increments, but I am not aware of > any way to directly load in altimeter settings in inches of mercury (like > a > kollsman window) aside from just setting it at field elevation (Each time > you turn it on it offers you the cue to adjust the altitude setting for > the > ambient pressure...) > > Don't know the answer to the last one.... > Beauford > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob and Jenn B" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: EIS > > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" >> >> For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using just a voltage >> regulator >> or is a battery required? >> >> Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be adjusted for barometric >> pressure? >> >> Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an airspeed indicator for a >> licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any problems? >> >> Bob >> ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:50 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=pyAuSy9/LlD78OIry5B3JjzhSXHOIZjsBFp37QObTY/T9c75Bmstcprc1plVEcrnf/i7IWlJAAiB/gqoZlrTfjmcv5FwNvbkm/u9IfVTK36yTKwycM48Spuj17MteZtdnQ9diPcrIAFW+9V21cARZhQdLC9fDz86+jaup8AeSqQ= ; From: " David M. Lehman" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: EIS From": "\364\277\364 David M. Leh..."@matronics.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: " David M. Lehman" If the DAR did give you trouble, tell him to read FAR 91.205, the FAR that lists basic VFR equipment/instrument requirements... FAR 91.205 doesn't apply to experimental/amateur-built aircraft... An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest way to fly, but nonetheless, not required... DVD --- Giovanni Day wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" > > > Bob, > > My unit has the barometric pressure setting. I am > also using an EIS, > compass and airspeed, with no fuss from the DAR. > > Giovanni > MKIII/912 80566 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Bob and Jenn > B > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: EIS > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" > > > For those using the EIS, can it be hooked up using > just a voltage > regulator > or is a battery required? > > Also, when using the altimeter option, can it be > adjusted for barometric > > pressure? > > Is anyone using just the EIS, compass, and an > airspeed indicator for a > licensed aircraft? Did the DAR give you any > problems? > > Bob > > > > Click on the > this > by the > Admin. > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ===== do not archive __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:47 PM PST US From: "Bill Elder" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Elder" George - Here's how I lined up the main gear after I bent the axels on my Mark III Classic and put on new gear legs: 1. Snap a line on the hangar floor and put the tailwheel on the line. Then drop a plumb off the nose hoop to get the front of the plane on the line. 2. Went to ACE Hardware and bought two 8' pieces of 3/4 inch alum. angle. Use a bungee cord to strap the alum angle to the outside of the tire horizontal with the floor (equal length of angle in front and behind the tire). 3. Measure from the front of the angle to the line snapped on the floor, and then from the rear of the angle to the snapped line, and rotate the axel up or down until the front and rear measurements are the same. 4. Repeat for other tire. Worked well for me. Call if you have questions at 303-838-2240. Bill in Colorado P.S. I then returned the alum angle to Ace for a refund. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale > --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com > > > In a message dated 11/27/2004 11:12:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rswiderski@earthlink.net writes: > > My project has been on hold since the hurricanes & now it continues > to be on hold till I get myself smart enough to pass the FL State test for > math teachers. There's a new law that forbids certficated teachers from > teaching > Out of field. My BS is in Chemestry & my Masters & Specialists are in > counseling. So I've been studying a lot & finding out how ignorant I've > been & how much I forgot I never learned! I'll be throwing a pity party this > Saturday if I don't pass it. ...Richard > > > geeez, a chemistry major ...those were the really smart guys, n gals when I > went to school!! > don't forget to invite me to your party which I'm sure will not be for pity! > I'll be able to get back to work on "By George" now that the Barbershop show > is over....and my storytelling is coming to a close ( what a blast those 3rd > graders were)! > > Does anyone out there have a way that you are proud of, of lining up the > main gear? > > Should the tires be soft or hard to keep from spreading when pushing or > pulling depending on toe in or toe out? > > Does anyone have a system of minor adjustment there instead of drilling a > new hole all the time when the tires are not PERFECTLY aligned? My landing gear > looks like Spongebob down under the axle fitting. > > Fortunately, I bent so many trying to land (a long time ago) that I have > some restraightened to play with. > > bated breath George > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:45 PM PST US From: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generation Hell --> Kolb-List message posted by: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com I suspect you coated yourself with a light coat of the wrong kind of oil........everyone knows that only oil from a black bear is proper for slinking around in the dark and performing this ritual. I put homemade vortex generators on my UltraStar, and the improvement is amazing enough to make me wish I'd done it 10 years ago. do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:10 PM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: vortex generators --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com In a message dated 11/25/2004 12:57:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, d7yl@telus.net writes: You've got to ask yourself? 1) how long is the glue going to hold up? 2) What happens when those bitty pieces of plastic/metal/whatever go flying through your prop? regards, Dar7yl My homemade ones stayed on for over 400 hrs. without losing any. If one did go through the prop I don't think it would do any damage; they are so light. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:23 PM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest way to fly, but nonetheless, not required... DVD ---------------------------------- Sorry, but I think you're wrong about this one. There are all sorts of places in the FARs where it appears that experimentals are exempt, but you can usually read these passages in more than one way. The FAA will not be reading it your way :-) I had a difficult time with the inspection of my first SS, due to the fact that I couldn't show the DAR proper markings for the engine instruments. Eventually, he accepted that the EIS contained the required "markings" in the programming of the unit. I can only imagine what he might have said about using it for altimeter, though I'll find out when I get the latest SS ready to be inspected. Cheers, Rusty (finding more and more issues with the latest SS...) ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:38 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=iy6oW5eYEywxrhdafVu1R6VC8dB7rm4CiuQAJ/QOSYMnTsdX8RmOSNHVKK6Xn3eQC/6mwE5jlxe9pRAHMmsZ/RW4WtQlQ7Vr+clmx6gr89+D34VKMAVnk197rSzrZFFM1rdVOaUoVfP6i1k3ptMQhJc65xWKoHqUPFtH0Nf9F5Y= ; From: " David M. Lehman" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: EIS From": "\364\277\364 David M. Leh..."@matronics.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: " David M. Lehman" "Sorry, but I think you're wrong about this one." Rusty, here's the way it reads... Sec. 91.205 Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S. airworthiness certificates: Instrument and equipment requirements... The only way the DAR could require you to meet any or all the requirements of 91.205 is to put the requirement(s) in your operating limitations... "The FAA will not be reading it your way :-)"... They do where I work ;-)... Regards... DVD --- Rusty <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" > <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> > > An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have > to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest > way to fly, but nonetheless, not required... > > DVD > ---------------------------------- > > > Sorry, but I think you're wrong about this one. > There are all sorts of > places in the FARs where it appears that > experimentals are exempt, but you > can usually read these passages in more than one > way. The FAA will not be > reading it your way :-) > > I had a difficult time with the inspection of my > first SS, due to the fact > that I couldn't show the DAR proper markings for the > engine instruments. > Eventually, he accepted that the EIS contained the > required "markings" in > the programming of the unit. I can only imagine > what he might have said > about using it for altimeter, though I'll find out > when I get the latest SS > ready to be inspected. > > Cheers, > Rusty (finding more and more issues with the latest > SS...) > > > ===== do not archive __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:00 PM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: FAR technicalities --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> The only way the DAR could require you to meet any or all the requirements of 91.205 is to put the requirement(s) in your operating limitations... ------------------------ Well, "technically", the FARs may not require any instruments, but every DAR, and probably every FAA inspector will write it into your operating limitations. It's certainly in all mine. Cheers, Rusty (instruments? I don't need no stinkin' instruments) Do not archive , fold, spindle, or mutilate, and refrigerate after opening :-) ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:25 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aligning the wheels --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Don't know if this is the best way, but it here it is - For the MKIII, aligned the gear by going to Lowes and buying a bronze grounding rod, the sort you drive into the ground and clamp a wire to. If you take out the axles on the MKIII welded fittings that go at the end of the gear legs, the bronze rod is a slip fit through the axle hole. With the airplane on jack stands, slide it through one, and then force it to curve so it will also slide through the other one. Now both end fittings are in alignment, mark and drill the holes through the lower end of the gear legs. If you haven't experienced them before, the axles are tough steel, use brand new premium drill bits and low rpm's on the drill, keep them oiled, cool, and cutting or the axle will work harden and you will really have a difficult situation. For the FSII, we did it a bit different, since there seems to be a lot of variation between loaded and unloaded toe in/toe out. We put the pilot into the seat (weighted it down) and waggled the airplane until the tires decided where they wanted to be. Had already dropped a plumb line down the middle of the airplane, made a line on the floor, and then used a straight edge alongside the tire to align the tire to the centerline. Had to hold pressure on the axle fitting because the weight made the tire want to turn. Carefully marked where the hole needed to go, disassembled everything and then drilled the hole through the lower gear leg. Since we haven't got the FSII finished yet, time will tell if that was the best method. The method on the MKIII works, it tracks perfect and tire wear is even. As far as what to do when things are not perfectly aligned? Fly off grass & you'll hardly notice it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) FSII N582EF (582Ed'sFirestar) At 08:42 AM 11/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com > > >Does anyone out there have a way that you are proud of, of lining up the >main gear? > >Should the tires be soft or hard to keep from spreading when pushing or >pulling depending on toe in or toe out? > >Does anyone have a system of minor adjustment there instead of drilling a >new hole all the time when the tires are not PERFECTLY aligned? My landing >gear >looks like Spongebob down under the axle fitting. > >Fortunately, I bent so many trying to land (a long time ago) that I have >some restraightened to play with. > >bated breath George ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:59 PM PST US From: "Giovanni Day" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: FAR technicalities --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" Rusty, I am with you. I had a GA type friend of mine in a quicksilver. He asks where is the altimeter and VSI? I explained the inverse relationship of object size to altitude. I also told him to look down at the ground, if things are getting bigger, you are going down, if they are getting smaller, you are going up. As I think someone on this list said "KISS". I must confess I have those on the MKIII though. Giovanni MKIII/912 80566 Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Subject: RE: Kolb-List: FAR technicalities --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> The only way the DAR could require you to meet any or all the requirements of 91.205 is to put the requirement(s) in your operating limitations... ------------------------ Well, "technically", the FARs may not require any instruments, but every DAR, and probably every FAA inspector will write it into your operating limitations. It's certainly in all mine. Cheers, Rusty (instruments? I don't need no stinkin' instruments) Do not archive , fold, spindle, or mutilate, and refrigerate after opening :-) ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:36 PM PST US From: "Chuck Riley" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Riley" Any comment David ROTS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: EIS > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> > > An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have > to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest > way to fly, but nonetheless, not required... > > DVD > ---------------------------------- > > > Sorry, but I think you're wrong about this one. There are all sorts of > places in the FARs where it appears that experimentals are exempt, but you > can usually read these passages in more than one way. The FAA will not be > reading it your way :-) > > I had a difficult time with the inspection of my first SS, due to the fact > that I couldn't show the DAR proper markings for the engine instruments. > Eventually, he accepted that the EIS contained the required "markings" in > the programming of the unit. I can only imagine what he might have said > about using it for altimeter, though I'll find out when I get the latest SS > ready to be inspected. > > Cheers, > Rusty (finding more and more issues with the latest SS...) > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:24 PM PST US From: "Chuck Riley" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Riley" I know I should have read further down ROTS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Riley" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Riley" > > Any comment David > ROTS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> > To: > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: EIS > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> > > > > An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have > > to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest > > way to fly, but nonetheless, not required... > > > > DVD > > ---------------------------------- > > > > > > Sorry, but I think you're wrong about this one. There are all sorts of > > places in the FARs where it appears that experimentals are exempt, but you > > can usually read these passages in more than one way. The FAA will not be > > reading it your way :-) > > > > I had a difficult time with the inspection of my first SS, due to the fact > > that I couldn't show the DAR proper markings for the engine instruments. > > Eventually, he accepted that the EIS contained the required "markings" in > > the programming of the unit. I can only imagine what he might have said > > about using it for altimeter, though I'll find out when I get the latest > SS > > ready to be inspected. > > > > Cheers, > > Rusty (finding more and more issues with the latest SS...) > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:21 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderwski" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" Rusty, Thanks for the address. I know you will be grinning on that cross country! Richard Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Subject: RE: Kolb-List: BRS-5 VLS 900 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> I have a BRS 900 canister that was on my SS. I would like to go with the VLS version as it has less drag. You wouldn't be needing a canister type by any chance? Would I have much trouble selling mine if its in good condition? What does Ebay charge to sell thru them? -------------------------------- Hi Richard, I like to have a chute for test flying phases, but after that, I really don't want to haul them around. The current SS is waaaaaaay too heavy, so it's going on a diet, starting with the 25 lb chute. Ebay would charge about $40 to sell a $1500 item. Here's a link to the fees page, where you will be tested on those new found math skills :-) http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html Good luck with the test! Rusty (first cross country in my rotary powered RV-3 later today) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:59 PM PST US DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=mHc3acEpl25kRqdjIOUs4D9711mGzXzoxgBS9cBY7v5y5Op8gD32I5zWqpA+iJNDEgVx8Ikgruw4aSTsEbr18/x+f6XCPUugHbAbzP1+rOqxxHUuXiUhuG8yWUXILjYD7xNNunOw3E9yAVWEVJ873S+IujO/vPk0WB7NpZXLysI= ; From: " David M. Lehman" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: FAR technicalities From": "\364\277\364 David M. Leh..."@matronics.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: " David M. Lehman" Probably time to let this thread retire, but... FAA Inspectors and DARs get their ammunition from the FARS and FAA Order 8130.2E... The operating limitations come from ".2E"... The only operating limitation reference in ".2E" to instruments in an experimental amateur-built aircraft is a requirement to maintain the instruments IF installed... The local FSDO inspectors will certificate an experimental amateur-built aircraft without instruments... Not all FSDO see things the same (dumb statement)... Regards... DVD --- Rusty <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" > <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> > > The only way the DAR could require you to meet any > or > all the requirements of 91.205 is to put the > requirement(s) in your operating limitations... > ------------------------ > > Well, "technically", the FARs may not require any > instruments, but every > DAR, and probably every FAA inspector will write it > into your operating > limitations. It's certainly in all mine. > > Cheers, > Rusty (instruments? I don't need no stinkin' > instruments) > > Do not archive , fold, spindle, or mutilate, and > refrigerate after opening > :-) ===== do not archive __________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:03 PM PST US From: "d7yl" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: vortex generators --> Kolb-List message posted by: "d7yl" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: vortex generators > Dar7yl writes: >> You've got to ask yourself? 1) how long is the glue going to hold up? >> 2) >> What happens when those bitty pieces of plastic/metal/whatever go flying > >through your prop? > > My homemade ones stayed on for over 400 hrs. without losing any. > If one did go through the prop I don't think it would do any damage; they > are > so light. Just trying to keep you guys safe. I'm satisfied that you are on top of the situation. It's just that I've seen tapes that don't last a month out in UV, and bad things going through props. The list of things to check on preflight is always increasing. But then again, every minute spent on preflight is worth at least three hours of wrenching afterwards. regards, Dar7yl. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:54 PM PST US From: "d7yl" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EIS --> Kolb-List message posted by: "d7yl" ----- Original Message ----- From: " David M. Lehman" > An experimental/amateur-built aircraft DOES NOT have > to have ANY instruments... Maybe not the brightest > way to fly, but nonetheless, not required... Up here north of the 49, all aircraft are required to have the basic VFR flying instruments: altimeter, airspeed and compass. Over and above that, you don't HAVE to use any other instruments, but you are acting really stupid if you don't take advantage of them. regards, Dar7yl.