Kolb-List Digest Archive

Wed 12/01/04


Total Messages Posted: 15



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:16 AM - Oh So Many Great Comments... (Matt Dralle)
     2. 06:31 AM - Re: VG Testing? (Eugene Zimmerman)
     3. 12:08 PM - Re: wheel alignment (Bill Elder)
     4. 01:04 PM - Re: wheel alignment (N27SB@aol.com)
     5. 01:15 PM - Mode C transponder (N27SB@aol.com)
     6. 01:36 PM - Re: Mode C transponder (dama)
     7. 01:45 PM - Re: Mode C transponder (N27SB@aol.com)
     8. 01:50 PM - Re: Mode C transponder (dama)
     9. 02:15 PM - Re: Mode C transponder (Denny Rowe)
    10. 02:21 PM - Mode C Ring (Mike Pierzina)
    11. 02:23 PM - Re: Mode C transponder (Denny Rowe)
    12. 02:37 PM - Re: Mode C transponder (flykolb)
    13. 02:48 PM - Re: Mode C transponder (kfackler)
    14. 03:59 PM - Late Fall In Texas (John Williamson)
    15. 11:51 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:16:16 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Oh So Many Great Comments...
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Listers, As I write this its still November 30th so technically the List Fund Raiser is still underway! :-) I've gotten so many nice comments from Listers in the last couple of days along with their Contributions that I just had to share them with the Lists. Guys, I really appreciate the kind words and great support that has come in the last few days. If you've been meaning to support your Lists this month but have just been putting it off until the last absolute minute, now's a perfect time to make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution A special thank you to everyone that has already shown their support. I'm compiling the List of Contributors and will post it in a couple days. In the meantime, please read over some of the nice things people have been saying about the List along with their Contribution... Thank you!!! Matt Dralle List Administrator -------------- A Ton More Nice Comments ---------------- The number of times I've used the list (especially the archives) to answer a question I have definitely makes my contribution worth it. Jordan G. This list sure paves the way to a smoother building process. Tim B. Really enjoy the list and look forward to it every day. Darren F. Love the list, great diversion at work... Rich C. The [List] community much appreciates your well run list server. Donald K. Good list. Graham H. ...a wonderful service! Jon C. I should be building when I'm reading the list but I have to keep up with what's going on. Jerry I. ...fills in the gap between building and flying. Jerry B. It's how I start my day. Randy R. Keep up the this GREAT resource. Tom H. Keeps me in the loop while my airplane is down for a while. Tim G. wonderful service... Andrew J. ...an indispensable tool in building my airplane. Mark K. ...such a great service. Rex S. I'm hooked. Jerry I. [The List] makes building a lot easier and more fun! Eugene H. Great list! Sam P. Its nice to be ad free... Terry S. Its an excellent list. Jim G. What a tremendous resource... Bob C. A great help and an excellent service. Darren F. Great service... Patrick F. I am an information junkie, and the list gives me my fix every day! Mark S. Much useful information is exchanged. Graham H. An exceptional resource... Neal G. This list is a valuable tool for me. Grant F. ...such a valuable resource. Kevin B. Really enjoy the List... Michael W. ...such a great tool! John L. I have been done building my plane for three years now. I still get valuable information from this List. Don N. Better than the soaps at times! Jerry I. Thanks for a huge archive of information. Paul D. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive


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    Time: 06:31:50 AM PST US
    From: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
    Subject: Re: VG Testing?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com> >>> Earl & Mim Zimmerman wrote: snip >>> "Smarter Idiot" ~ Earl Z. I taut em everything I no, and he lern't the rest from yu'ens. "the dummmer one"


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    Time: 12:08:50 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net>
    Subject: Re: wheel alignment
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net> Regarding the alignment. once I set the axel fitting for the correct angle, I clamped the gear leg and the axel fitting with on of those quick grip clamps. (Before this I marked the gear leg and the axel with a Sharpie so I coud see if anything slipped). Since I already had the hole drilled in the axel fitting, I used the Sharpie to draw a straight line from the center of the hole previosly drilled on one side of the axel fitting to the hole in the other side (this to give me an eyeball direction to keep the drill lined up. I then hand drilled the hole through the gear leg (with the gear leg still inserted into the axel fitting). Kinda crude I guess but it worked for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: <GeoR38@aol.com> Subject: Kolb-List: wheel alignment > --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com > > > In a message dated 11/28/2004 5:44:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > billelder@denver.net writes: > > Does anyone out there have a way that you are proud of, of lining up the > > main gear? > > > > Should the tires be soft or hard to keep from spreading when pushing or > > pulling depending on toe in or toe out? > > > > Does anyone have a system of minor adjustment there instead of drilling a > > new hole all the time when the tires are not PERFECTLY aligned? My landing > gear > > looks like Spongebob down under the axle fitting. > > > > Fortunately, I bent so many trying to land (a long time ago) that I have > > some restraightened to play with. > > > > bated breath George > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Elder" <billelder@denver.net> > > George - Here's how I lined up the main gear after I bent the axels on my > Mark III Classic and put on new gear legs: > > 1. Snap a line on the hangar floor and put the tailwheel on the line. Then > drop a plumb off the nose hoop to get the front of the plane on the line. > > 2. Went to ACE Hardware and bought two 8' pieces of 3/4 inch alum. angle. > Use a bungee cord to strap the alum angle to the outside of the tire > horizontal with the floor (equal length of angle in front and behind the > tire). > > 3. Measure from the front of the angle to the line snapped on the floor, > and then from the rear of the angle to the snapped line, and rotate the axel > up or down until the front and rear measurements are the same. > > 4. Repeat for other tire. Worked well for me. Call if you have questions > at 303-838-2240. > > Bill in Colorado > > P.S. I then returned the alum angle to Ace for a refund. > > I hear ya bill.....but how did you drill for the bolt...did you do any of it > on a drill press..or was it all done by hand drill?...and how do you keep > the thing from twisting while you hand drill?...and is it under pressure when > you drill or is it suspended? Someone said that they had an elongated hole in > the Aluminum part and twisted the fitting to the right location then squashed > it with shear Manpower on the nut to hold it by friction due to fitting > deformation. > that seems a bit risky...and indeed that is what I had, but something was > unsatisfactory as the wheels would always stray around for me > My airplane will probably fly good but landing is somewhat embarrassing when > the rolllout is ...er....sideways. > > George Randolph > >


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    Time: 01:04:14 PM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: wheel alignment
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 12/1/04 2:09:50 PM Central Standard Time, billelder@denver.net writes: > Since I already had the hole drilled in the axle > fitting, I used the Sharpie to draw a straight line from the center of the > hole previously drilled on one side of the axle fitting to the hole in the > other side (this to give me an eyeball direction to keep the drill lined up. > I then hand drilled the hole through the gear leg (with the gear leg still > inserted into the axle fitting). Kinda crude I guess but it worked for me. > Most of the builders out there know this but no one has said it so, anytime I have to drill a hole that has to start on one end and come out the other I usually make drill jig. It looks like a letter c and you drill it on the press. for a one time use you can use wood and for more accuracy you can line the hole with tubing. The inside of the C should match the width of the piece you are drilling. Use a bolt in the far side to maintain position and let the drill bit push it out as you come through the drilled piece. S Boetto wetfly #007 do not archive


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    Time: 01:15:55 PM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Mode C transponder
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com Hello to all, I just tried to read far 91.215 in regard to mode c transponder requirement within a designated airport with a 30 nm range. It makes my hair hurt. Does anyone know if you would need a mode c within the 30 nm if you are flying an ultralight? If not are there ceiling limits? S Boetto


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    Time: 01:36:20 PM PST US
    From: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Mode C transponder
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com> If you are talking about an registered experimental, I belive the major exemption is whether you have an "engine-driven electrical system" which will require Mode C. I left the battery and electric starter off of my Firestar for this reason. The Mode C veil goes to 10000 MSL which is where you need Mode C anyway. So, there is no going over it. As for a legal ultralight, I would consult FAR 103... Kip http://www.springeraviation.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <N27SB@aol.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Mode C transponder > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > Hello to all, > I just tried to read far 91.215 in regard to mode c transponder requirement > within a designated airport with a 30 nm range. It makes my hair hurt. Does > anyone know if you would need a mode c within the 30 nm if you are flying an > ultralight? If not are there ceiling limits? > > S Boetto > >


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    Time: 01:45:32 PM PST US
    From: N27SB@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Mode C transponder
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 12/1/04 3:37:01 PM Central Standard Time, dama@mindspring.com writes: > > If you are talking about an registered experimental, I belive the major > exemption is whether you have an "engine-driven electrical system" which > will require Mode C. I left the battery and electric starter off of my > Firestar for this reason. The Mode C veil goes to 10000 MSL which is where > you need Mode C anyway. So, there is no going over it. As for a legal > ultralight, I would consult FAR 103... > Kip > Thanks Kip, This is a true part 103 FireFly, no battery, no alternator. but I don't know how this applies to a 30 nm ring at some airports like ours in orlando.


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    Time: 01:50:50 PM PST US
    From: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Mode C transponder
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com> I'll look into that... Kip do not archive http://www.springeraviation.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <N27SB@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mode C transponder > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/1/04 3:37:01 PM Central Standard Time, > dama@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > If you are talking about an registered experimental, I belive the major > > exemption is whether you have an "engine-driven electrical system" which > > will require Mode C. I left the battery and electric starter off of my > > Firestar for this reason. The Mode C veil goes to 10000 MSL which is where > > you need Mode C anyway. So, there is no going over it. As for a legal > > ultralight, I would consult FAR 103... > > Kip > > > > Thanks Kip, This is a true part 103 FireFly, no battery, no alternator. but > I don't know how this applies to a 30 nm ring at some airports like ours in > orlando. > >


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    Time: 02:15:22 PM PST US
    From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Mode C transponder
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: <N27SB@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mode C transponder > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/1/04 3:37:01 PM Central Standard Time, > dama@mindspring.com writes: > >> >> If you are talking about an registered experimental, I belive the major >> exemption is whether you have an "engine-driven electrical system" which >> will require Mode C. I left the battery and electric starter off of my >> Firestar for this reason. The Mode C veil goes to 10000 MSL which is >> where >> you need Mode C anyway. So, there is no going over it. As for a legal >> ultralight, I would consult FAR 103... >> Kip >> > > Thanks Kip, This is a true part 103 FireFly, no battery, no alternator. > but > I don't know how this applies to a 30 nm ring at some airports like ours > in > orlando. > > Hi guys! My FAA inspector had no problem with allowing me inside Pittsburghs 30 mile ring, even though I have electric start, tip strobes, and lighting coil power. All you have to tell your inspector is that your engines electrical system is insufficient to power a transponder. Also avoid class B surface areas. No electric Cub types and ultralights operate iside the 30 mile ring and under the edges of class B every day. As long as your experimentals electric system is considered under powered, they don't mind. Just make sure you don't break the class B space, if one guy screws up, it could really screw us all. Fly safe and smart. Denny Rowe


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    Time: 02:21:38 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
    Subject: Mode C Ring
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com> Hi, The way I heard it is....you DON'T need the transponder in the Mode C ring , IF, you DON'T have electric start....I don't know about the ceiling, At 18,000 ft you'll need IFR , and a HEAVY coat... One thing I didn't know til after I bought my Transponder and encoding ALT was ,to have it Certified It'll cost me $175. (every two years) But I'm too close to Class B airspace , so it saves me driving time. SNIP<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello to all, I just tried to read far 91.215 in regard to mode c transponder requirement within a designated airport with a 30 nm range. It makes my hair hurt. Does anyone know if you would need a mode c within the 30 nm if you are flying an ultralight? If not are there ceiling limits? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gotta Fly... Mike in MN FSII / 381PM My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... --


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    Time: 02:23:23 PM PST US
    From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Mode C transponder
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: <N27SB@aol.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Mode C transponder > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > Hello to all, > I just tried to read far 91.215 in regard to mode c transponder > requirement > within a designated airport with a 30 nm range. It makes my hair hurt. > Does > anyone know if you would need a mode c within the 30 nm if you are flying > an > ultralight? If not are there ceiling limits? > > S Boetto > > Steve, There are ceiling limits, class B airspace looks like an upside down wedding cake, you can fly under the floor of the airspace (which is your ceiling) up untill you near the surface area or inner ring. At the inner ring the class B goes all the way to the ground. The big fast heavies operate inside that cake and you should not! Aeronautical sectionals show the airspace clearly and also indicate the floor and ceiling altitudes MSL. Make sure you have your areas sectional chart and understand the airspace boundaries. Denny Rowe, Mk-3, N616DR, 2SI690L-70, Powerfin.


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    Time: 02:37:20 PM PST US
    From: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Mode C transponder
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com> Denny, That is the same info I got from my FSDO. Just stay out of the class B airspace! Jim Charlotte, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mode C transponder > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <N27SB@aol.com> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mode C transponder > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > > > In a message dated 12/1/04 3:37:01 PM Central Standard Time, > > dama@mindspring.com writes: > > > >> > >> If you are talking about an registered experimental, I belive the major > >> exemption is whether you have an "engine-driven electrical system" which > >> will require Mode C. I left the battery and electric starter off of my > >> Firestar for this reason. The Mode C veil goes to 10000 MSL which is > >> where > >> you need Mode C anyway. So, there is no going over it. As for a legal > >> ultralight, I would consult FAR 103... > >> Kip > >> > > > > Thanks Kip, This is a true part 103 FireFly, no battery, no alternator. > > but > > I don't know how this applies to a 30 nm ring at some airports like ours > > in > > orlando. > > > > Hi guys! > My FAA inspector had no problem with allowing me inside Pittsburghs 30 mile > ring, even though I have electric start, tip strobes, and lighting coil > power. > All you have to tell your inspector is that your engines electrical system > is insufficient to power a transponder. Also avoid class B surface areas. > No electric Cub types and ultralights operate iside the 30 mile ring and > under the edges of class B every day. As long as your experimentals > electric system is considered under powered, they don't mind. > Just make sure you don't break the class B space, if one guy screws up, it > could really screw us all. > > Fly safe and smart. > > Denny Rowe > >


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    Time: 02:48:24 PM PST US
    From: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
    Subject: Re: Mode C transponder
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net> > > anyone know if you would need a mode c within the 30 nm if you are flying an ultralight Weighing in with an oft-overlooked point from FAR103. Regardless of the requirement, or lack thereof, for a transponder, Mode C veills tend to be in very populated, i.e., congested areas. I know, I know that the FAR doesn't define congested, so please let's not get into -that- argument. My point is that if the area could, by any reasonable definition, be considered congested, then no ultralight should fly there. -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI


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    Time: 03:59:56 PM PST US
    From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
    Subject: Late Fall In Texas
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net> Fellow Kolbers, Went chasing buzzards today in the Kolbra. This was the first great day to fly in a couple of weeks. Here is a link to a short QuickTime video taken today south of Venus, TX. It's 1.93KB. http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/100_3150.MOV John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 702 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot Zenith CH701 Project http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane do not archive


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    Time: 11:51:18 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting]
    DNA: do not archive --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Lister, Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Kolb-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Kolb-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.]




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