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1. 02:31 AM - 2004 List of Contributors - A Special Thank You... (Matt Dralle)
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4. 04:02 AM - Re: No Fly in Alabama (Airgriff2@aol.com)
5. 05:37 AM - Re: No Fly in Alabama (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
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8. 04:03 PM - SS rework (Rusty)
9. 04:50 PM - Re: SS rework (John Cooley)
10. 05:51 PM - Re: SS rework (Ben Ransom)
11. 06:23 PM - Re: SS rework (Rusty)
12. 06:23 PM - Re: SS rework (Richard Swiderwski)
13. 06:55 PM - Re: SS rework (Rusty)
14. 06:56 PM - Re: SS Landing Gear (Richard Swiderwski)
15. 07:00 PM - Re: SS rework (John Cooley)
16. 07:09 PM - Re: SS rework (Rusty)
17. 07:38 PM - Re: No Fly in Alabama (Craig Nelson)
18. 09:00 PM - Re: SS Landing Gear (Rusty)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
First let me say Thank You to everyone that made a Contribution in support
of the Lists this year! I was particularly touched by all of the wonderful
comments people made regarding the Lists and how much they mean to
them. As I have said many times before, running these Lists and creating
the many new features is truly a labor of love. This is why your comments
of support and appreciation have particular meaning for me. Your
generosity during this time of List support only underscores the delightful
sentiments people have made regarding the Lists.
I would also once again like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
( http://www.buildersbooks.com ) who so generously supported this year's
Fund Raiser with both free and substantially discounted merchandise!! Andy
is truly one of a kind, and a superb businessman, and I cannot thank him
enough for all that he's done! If you have any aircraft media needs in the
near future, I would ask that you please give his great web site a
look. Thanks again Andy, for all your support!
And I would also like to thank Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises
(www.kitlog.com) who has generously contributed free registered copies of
his great Windows Kit Logging software called Kitlog Pro in support of this
year's List Fund Raiser! Thank you, Paul! For those of you that selected
this sweet gift, you should be receiving your Registration Key directly
from Paul in the next week or so.
And finally, below you will find the 2004 List of Contributors current as
of 12/5/04! Have a look at the list of names there as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank you all
enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund
Raiser! THANK YOU!
There are still a few of the various Free Gifts left, so please feel free
to yet make your Contribution and get a great Free Gift to-boot! Once
again, the URL for the Contributions web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks. I hope to
have everything shipping out by the end of the month. Generally everything
will go out via USPS, so be nice to your postman this month, he might be
bringing you something fun!
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
------------------ 2004 List of Contributors ---------------------
Aldrich, Scott
Alexander, George
Aller, Daniel
Alley, Brian
Amos, Paul
Amundsen, Blair
Anderson, Edward
Anthony, Bruce
Applefeld, Gerald
Applegate, William
Arbeitman, Gordon
Archer, Matt
Ashcraft, Keith
Ashford, James
Austin, Peter
Ayers, Jim
Babb, Tony
Bahrns, Stan
Bailey, Rick
Baker, Jim
Baker, Mike
Baker, Owen
Baker, Roger
Baker, Victor
Bakke, Bj%f8rn
Baldwin, James
Ballard, Jerry
Ballenger, James
Banes, John
Banyai, Michael
Barnes, Tom
Barnett, W.Mark
Barrie, Darwin
Barter, Tom
Basiliere, Rick
Bates, Jr, Marcus
BauerJr, Fred
Bean, James
Bean, Robert
Beauchamp, Norm
Beene, Kenneth
Bell, Bruce
Benjamin, Hal
Benson, Lonn
Benson, Lonnie
Bergh, Dave
Bernard, William
Berner, Walter
Bernier, Jim
Bertelli, John
Berthet, Andre
Bertz, Gary
Bettmeng, Rick
Bezzard, Richard
Bidle, Jerry
Bieberdorf, Roger
Bikle, Alan
Bish, Dan
Blackwell, Charles
Blackwell, Jimmie
Blake, James
Boardman, Don
Bockelman, David
Boetto, Steve
Bonds, Kevin
Boothe, Gary
Booze, George
Borger, Robert
Borne, Chuck
Bothe, Andreas
Boucher, Michel
Boulet, Paul
Bourne, Larry
Bowden, Terry
Bowen, Larry
Bowhay, Eustance
Bowman, John
Boyd, Don
Boyer, James
Brame, Charles
Brandt, Leroy
Branscomb, Warren
Brasch, Glenn
Breckenridge, Bruce
Brick, John
Briggs, Tracy
Brooks, John
Brooks, Sterling
Broom, Richard
Brown, David
Brown, Ken
Brown, Kent
Brown, Robert
Brunke, John
Bryan, Mark
Bryan, Tim
Bryant, Geoff
Buchanan, Guy
Buchanan, Sam
Buchmann, Kenneth
Buehlmann, Peter
Buess, Alfred
Bullock, Jack
Burden, Ronald
Burke, James
Burnett, Ron
Burns, Mark
Burrill, Phil
Burton, Charlie
Burton, James
Butcher, Jim
Butcher, Ron
Butler, Francis
Butler, Sherman
Butler, Thomas
Butterfield, John
Buyse, Lieven
Caldwell, Lapsley
Calloway, Terry
Cann, Robert
Cannon, Paul
Cantrell, Jimmy
Cantrell, Kenneth
Capen, Ralph
Capra, Salvatore
Carlton, Raymond
Carpenter, Kenneth
Carroll, Randy
Carter, David
Carter, Howard
Cary, William
Celestre, Rich
Challgren, Stanley
Chambers, Leslie
Chandler, Rick
Chatham, Bob
Chenoweth, William
Chevaillier, Mason
Ciolino, John
Clark, James
Clark, John
Clay, Dennis
Clayton, James
Clement, Jim
Clyma, Frank
Coalwell, Timothy
Cochran, Stewart
Cockrell, Alan
Coggins, Mickey
Cole, Gary
Cole, Gerry
Collins, Bob
Colucci, Tony
Combs, Doyle
Compton, Scott
Condrey, Bob
Conkling, J.Michael
Connell, Joseph
Conrad, Gerald
Constant, Jeremy
Cook, Craig
Cook, Doug
Cooley, John
Cooper, James
Copeland, Garrett
Corbalis, .Leo
Corbett, Claude
Corder, Michael
Corner, Jim
Corriveau, Grant
Cottingham, Richard
Cottrell, Larry
Coursey, William
Courtney, James
Cox, JimL.
Crane, James
Cravener, Don
Craze, Gary
Cribb, William
Crimm, Steve
Crockett, James
Crosby, Harry
Crosley, Rich
Crowe, Michael
Cruikshank, Bruce
Cummings, Tom
Dalstrom, Douglas
Dalton, Bob
Danclovic, Paul
Danielsen, HansJ%f8rgen
Danner, Robert
Daudt, Larry
Daughenbaugh, Rj
Daves, Russell
Davidson, Janet
Davidson, Jeff
Davies, Brian
Davis, Charles
Davis, Peter
Davis, Robert
Dawson, Clif
Dawson, Garth
De Jong, Jan
Decuir, John
Deford, David
Deits, DPaul
Dennis, Chris
Dettmer, Randy
Dewees, Ron
Dial, Larry
Diehl, Donald
Disher, John
Dixon, Thomas
Dominey, Clifford
Dominy, Kenneth
Donaghue, James
Donaldson, Norman
Donato, John
Dornseif, Keith
Dowling, Jeff
Dresden, Robert
Dubroc, Tommy
Dudley, Richard
Duffy, Russell
Dukerich, Tom
Duncan, Rod
Durakovich, David
Durbrow, John
Eckel, John
Edwards, Joseph
Ehlers, ClydeD.
Elder,jr, William
Eli, Robert
Ellenberger, Mike
Elliott, Andrew
Ellis, Dale
Ellsworth, Jim
Elrod, Michael
Emberson, Cory
Engh, Duncan
Enns, Dennis
Ensing, Dale
Erb, Robert
Erickson, Alan
Ervin, Thomas
Erwin, Chip
Esterhuizen, Deon
Evans, Kathleen
Evans, Marion
Fackler, Ken
Fair, WilliamD
Falik, Donald
Farrell, Patrick
Farris, Greg
Fasching, John
Faulkner, Thomas
Featherston, Les
Feldman, Herb
Ferguson, Darren
Ferguson, Jay
Ferguson, John
Fifield, Scott
Figgins, David
Filucci, Michael
Firm, Howard
Fischer, Douglas
Fischer, John
Fishe, JF
Fisher, Michael
Fitt, Lowell
Fitzpatrick, Robert
Fix, Douglas
Flavin, John
Fluent, Grant
Foerster, James
Fogerson, Richard
Ford, John
Ford, Larry
Fordham, Chris
Forsberg, Erik
Fox, Byron
Frantz, Terry
Frederickson, John
French, James
Friel, Christopher
Frye, Dwight
Fulgham, Bill
Fullilove, Ken
Fulmer, JosephA
Fulp, John
Fussell, Larry
Futrell, Billie
Fux, Franz
Gagnon, Laurent
Gagnon, Tim
Gardner, Albert
Garforth, Richard
Gates, Leo
Gauthier, Alain
Geese, Ronald
Geldermann, Daniel
Genzlinger, Reade
George, Joseph
George, Neal
George, William
German, Mark
Gernetzke, Jill
Gherardini, Don
Giacona, William
Gibbons, Robert
Gibbs, Al
Giddens, Gerald
Giles, Tom
Gillespie, Rl
Gilliatt, Jim
Gingell, Rob
Gitt, Larry
Glaeser, Dennis
Glass, Roy
Glauser, David
Gleason, Mike
Goguen, Nelson
Golden, Shane
Goode, Richard
Goodings, John
Goodridge, Stuart
Goolsby, Jim
Gordon, Keith
Gott, Shelby
Gottelt, Herbert
Goudinoff, Peter
Gowing, John
Grabb, Gary
Graber, Joel
GrahamJr, WDoyce
Graichen, Peter
Grant, Jordan
Grantz, Alan
Green, Luther
Greenough, James
Gregory, Steve
Griese, Wayne
Griffin, Bill
Griffin, Robert
Grosse, John
Gummo, Thomas
Gunn, Jim
Gunn, John
Gustafson, Aaron
Haecker, H.Ivan
Haertlein, Frank
Hagar, Steve
Hale, Adrian
Hale, Michael
Haley, Gary
Hall, Charles
Hall, Joel
Hallsten, Keith
Hamer, Steve
Hamilton, Red
Hamilton, William J
Hankins, Roger
Hansen, Graham
Hansen, Ronald
Harding, Christopher
Haring, Robert
Harmon, John
Harmon, Loren
Harrison, Nigel
Harrod, Peter
Hart, Jack
Hartley, Keith
Harvey, Dale
Hasler, James
Hasper, Jim
Hatch, Pat
Hatfield, Cicil
Hauck, John
Haverlah, Dennis
Heath, Donald
Heaton, Herb
Hedrick, Keith
Hefner, Jim
Hegler, Freddie
Heindl, Karl
Helming, Larry
Henson, Eric
Henwick, Mark
Heritch, Ian
Herminghaus, John
Herrick, DavidC
Herron, Al
Hershberger, Edward
Hetrick, Dale
Heykoop, John
Hibbing, William
Higgins, Floran
Higgins, Graham
Hilker, David
Hill, Buryl
Hill, Jeff
Hill, StanleyA.
Hinrichsen, James
Hodge, Jack
Hodgson, Bob
Hodgson, Mark
Hoffman, Allan
Hoffman, Carl
Hoffmann, Thomas
Holifield, Steve
Holland, Rick
Holmes, Paul
Hood, Bill
Hooper, Randy
Hoover, Ralph
Hopper, Daniel
Horne, Gilbert
Horton, Kevin
Hoyle, Clifford
Hubbard, Eugene
Hueltz, Wolfgang
Hughes, Robert
Humes, Hubert
Humphrey, Steve
Hurd, James
HurnsAircraft, JohnA.Hurn
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Hutcheson, Galen
Hutcheson, Joe
Hutcheson, Joseph
Hutchison, Tom
Hyde, Ken
Hyndman, Ross
Imken, Chuck
Inman, George
Isler, Jerry
Jacko, Victor
Jackson, Kevin
James, Ken
Jarvis, Andrew
Jaussi, Curtis
Jenkins, John
Jensen, Charles
Jensen, Jim
Jensen, Marinus
Johannsson, Johann
Johansson, Max
Johnsen, Svein
Johnson, Anthony
Johnson, Dale
Johnson, Darrell
Johnson, Dennis
Johnson, Edwin
Johnson, Les
Johnson, Lytle
Johnson, Thomas
Johnston, Bruce
Johnston, Leroy
Johnston, Stephen
JonCroke, Homebuilthelp.Com
Jones, Alvin
Jones, Eric
Joosten, Craig
Jordan, JR
Joyce, David
Joyce, John
Jula, TheodoreF
Jung, John
Jurotich, Matthew
Kaluza, Charles
Kane, Lawrence
Kaser, Jim
Katra, James
Kearney, John
Keener, Forest
Kellum, Mark
Kempthorne, Hal
Kennedy, Robert
Kent, John
Kesterton, Donald
Kilburg, Larry
Killion, Clay
Kimsey, Thomas
King, Jack
King, John
Kirby, David
Kirby, Dennis
Klein, Fred
Klingmuller, Lothar
Kohles, Jerry
Koonce, R.L.
Kosta, Michael
Koyich, Ron
Kramer, Ed
Krasinski, Jerzy
Krok, Peter
Krueger, Grant
Kruleski, Chet
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Kuehn, George
Kunkel, Fred
Kuntz, Paul
Kyle, Fergus
Laird, Dave
Lake, Bob
Lalonde, Bart
Landucci, Larry
Lannon, Walter
Lansden, John
Larzilliere, Alain
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Laurence, Peter
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Lawton, John
Lax, Chuck
Lechkun, Dave
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
So, what is a controversial topic on the Kolb List
OK. I'll throw something out. For the fellows who winterize their engines for
the winter. What is your procedure ? On my 618 I remove the air cleaners,
spray fogging oil in the carbs while idling, sprayed some into the top of each
cylinder, covered the end of the exhaust and both carbs so moist air can't get
inside of the engine, and covered the engine with a BBQ cover. Some put
stabilizer in the gas tank and lines, but I didn't, My hangar is open on the front
so I also put "gust locks" on the ailerons, and rudder.
I'm lucky to belong to a small flying club where there is a J3 and C150 to
fly during the cold winter months in the Catskill mts. of upstate NY.
Fly safe
Bob Griffin
ps. making plans for Sun&Fun
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted C <trc1917@direcway.com>
Well, all, if you are that bored come saturday, December 11, you can fly on down to Doyle Langford's Place. The Southern Flyers are having a get-to-gether and there will be food and stuff there. All are welcome. Stats are on our web site: http://www.homestead.com/southernflyers . Going to be a little chilly out but what the heck. If you need some place to go, this is it. Hoping to see you there. Ted Cowan, Alabama.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
> John Hauck says:
> >>
>> Ran out of airplane and had to rely on my old Jim Handbury hand
>> deployed
>> parachute to prolong life.
>
Guess John doesn't want to go into details of the experience? That's OK. but
I can tell you, years ago when discussing that perticular flight with John, I
asked him what the attitude of the plane was during deployment and his answer
was, "it took on the attitude of how a nail would fly". Although chutes have
saved John twice he did tell me , "I hate using them things!". I'm just glad
they worked as they were made to, and he is here to tell us about it.
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Beauford,
Seafoam is the stuff that washes up on the 100' of shore line that they
sent me to fetch when I was a kid.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: No Fly in Alabama
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> What's Seafoam.................?
> Beauford
> do not archive..... heh, heh, heh......
> ----- Original Message -----
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
I think we should all "Flame" Ralph. Just kidding Ralph.
Vic
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
I think we should all "Flame" Ralph. Just kidding Ralph.
Vic
Vic and others,
Go ahead. I got my flame suit on :)
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Greetings,
Well, I finally hauled the damaged SS home from the airport Saturday, and am
ready to get started. The more I look at it, the more I'm glad I chose to
rebuild from the ground up, and not just try to repair the damage.
In only 220 hours or so, the plane has certainly had it's share of wear.
The engine in particular is in need so some serious work. Much of the
radiator mounting has apparently been cast through the prop, which of course
didn't do the prop much good either. There are also a number of chafed
hoses, wires, etc. I'll end up replacing, or at least welding new mounts on
the radiator, and will plan to replace all the hoses. Better plan to read
the 912ULS manual too, unless I decide to replace it with a single rotor
Mazda. I have to admit that I was holding up 13B housings to get an idea
how well it would fit :-) Must try to resist...
Structurally, I can already see that something is broken loose inside the
vert stab, which wasn't hurricane damaged as far as I can tell. One main
gear is bent pretty badly, and the tailwheel spring is bent, and assembled
crooked (the wheel isn't vertical). It sort of looks like the lower vert
stab has been repaired once, but it's hard to say for certain. Can't wait
to see inside the fabric everywhere, and hope I don't find any more
surprises. Nose cone and all the lexan is getting replaced, and the fuel
"jugs" will be permanently installed in the trash, along with all the
carpet.
Aside from damage, I'm planning some changes. Weight savings will be high
on the list, since the previous EW was a portly 539. I just ordered my
fabric kit today, with no silver. I'll use UV block, and my now signature
white Polytone paint. Should be deja-vu for the DAR :-) The rear torture
chamber (seat) is being formally eliminated, and will be used for a baggage
location. 20 gallon custom aluminum fuel tank is in the planning stage.
BRS is already removed. Strobes may have to go as well. 2-blade IVO
ordered to replace damaged 3-blade Warp. I will try to extend the panel
closer to the pilot, so I can reach it. Nose cone will be removable, or at
least have a service hatch to get to the battery, brakes, etc. I'd like to
extend the lexan lower on the sides for a better downward view. Heel brakes
must be reworked to fit my big feat, or removed. I'm also considering the
removal of the flaperon system. I never used them on my previous SS, and I
don't intend to use them on this one either.
OK, that should stir something up, and I didn't even have to resort to using
the word "Seafoam" :-)
Cheers,
Rusty (don't need no stinkin' flaperons)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
HI Rusty and Gang,
Isn't this the Slingshot that Bill Wood's originally built? Seems like I
remember that after he sold the plane it was damaged and then he rebuilt it
and sold it again. Not sure I got my facts straight but I think this is
right. Might explain why you are starting to see some stuff that looks like
it was rebuilt at some time.
do not archive
Later,
John Cooley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rusty
Subject: Kolb-List: SS rework
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Greetings,
Well, I finally hauled the damaged SS home from the airport Saturday, and am
ready to get started. The more I look at it, the more I'm glad I chose to
rebuild from the ground up, and not just try to repair the damage.
In only 220 hours or so, the plane has certainly had it's share of wear.
The engine in particular is in need so some serious work. Much of the
radiator mounting has apparently been cast through the prop, which of course
didn't do the prop much good either. There are also a number of chafed
hoses, wires, etc. I'll end up replacing, or at least welding new mounts on
the radiator, and will plan to replace all the hoses. Better plan to read
the 912ULS manual too, unless I decide to replace it with a single rotor
Mazda. I have to admit that I was holding up 13B housings to get an idea
how well it would fit :-) Must try to resist...
Structurally, I can already see that something is broken loose inside the
vert stab, which wasn't hurricane damaged as far as I can tell. One main
gear is bent pretty badly, and the tailwheel spring is bent, and assembled
crooked (the wheel isn't vertical). It sort of looks like the lower vert
stab has been repaired once, but it's hard to say for certain. Can't wait
to see inside the fabric everywhere, and hope I don't find any more
surprises. Nose cone and all the lexan is getting replaced, and the fuel
"jugs" will be permanently installed in the trash, along with all the
carpet.
Aside from damage, I'm planning some changes. Weight savings will be high
on the list, since the previous EW was a portly 539. I just ordered my
fabric kit today, with no silver. I'll use UV block, and my now signature
white Polytone paint. Should be deja-vu for the DAR :-) The rear torture
chamber (seat) is being formally eliminated, and will be used for a baggage
location. 20 gallon custom aluminum fuel tank is in the planning stage.
BRS is already removed. Strobes may have to go as well. 2-blade IVO
ordered to replace damaged 3-blade Warp. I will try to extend the panel
closer to the pilot, so I can reach it. Nose cone will be removable, or at
least have a service hatch to get to the battery, brakes, etc. I'd like to
extend the lexan lower on the sides for a better downward view. Heel brakes
must be reworked to fit my big feat, or removed. I'm also considering the
removal of the flaperon system. I never used them on my previous SS, and I
don't intend to use them on this one either.
OK, that should stir something up, and I didn't even have to resort to using
the word "Seafoam" :-)
Cheers,
Rusty (don't need no stinkin' flaperons)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Rusty,
I made the nose cone removable on my FS KXP rebuild too. I welded 4
little triangle tabs at tube junctures near the front/bottom of the
cage. I made the bottom surface of these tabs flush with the bottom of
the cage tubes, and then drilled ~ 1/4 inch holes in them. So now my
nose cone is bolted to these tabs instead of "permanently" riveted to
the cage. (I used some rubber hats or something to spread the load in
the nose cone holes) I recall your joke with Dennis about the
structural life of a Kolb cage ...when it is finally full of rivet
stems. :) On other "rework" ideas, I'd be curious about flap options
in so far as possible changes that would decrease stall speed better
than the stock flaps. Anyone else experimented with this on a Kolb?
-Ben
> closer to the pilot, so I can reach it. Nose cone will be removable,
> or at
> least have a service hatch to get to the battery, brakes, etc. I'd
> like to
> extend the lexan lower on the sides for a better downward view. Heel
> brakes
> must be reworked to fit my big feat, or removed. I'm also considering
> the
> removal of the flaperon system. I never used them on my previous SS,
> and I
> don't intend to use them on this one either.
>
> OK, that should stir something up, and I didn't even have to resort
> to using
> the word "Seafoam" :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty (don't need no stinkin' flaperons)
>
>
>
> _->
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Isn't this the Slingshot that Bill Wood's originally built? Seems like I
remember that after he sold the plane it was damaged and then he rebuilt it
and sold it again.
----------------
Hi John,
I haven't heard anything about any previous damage, other than replacement
of some bent gear legs. I think those were thinner steel, and were replaced
by Kolb with the newer units. I didn't get the impression it took any real
damaging incident to bend them. If the covering was ever damaged, Bill would
have to have been the one to have repainted it, because it was still pretty
darn nice prior to Ivan.
I cut into the covering on the vert stab, and found that a tube is indeed
broken inside. It doesn't appear to be anything structural, and it was
built exactly per plans.
I should take this opportunity to point out that, while I have a number of
things I want to change, this should NOT be taken to mean that these are
things that were done wrong originally. I've seen no evidence of anything
done wrong by Bill, and I don't expect to find anything wrong as I continue
with the disassembly.
Cheers,
Rusty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Hey Rusty & All,
If you ever go the rotary route, I'd like to hear about it. It has
always been attractive to me.
Going lighter is always a great idea that too often most of us
ignore. Your comment on the flaperons are puzzling... either you know
something I don't or visa versa. I loved the ones I put on my old UltraStar
& I love the ones on my SlingShot.
I am replacing my nose cone as well. I'm putting a longer one on
that will accommodate a battery. I still had to modify the tube that
anchors the rudder return springs as I couldn't get the battery in & out. I
made the tube removable & shifted it up a bit. I would like to make the
nose cone removable, but haven't yet figured out an easy way to do that. I
might just end up using screws in place of rivots. If you have any ideas I
sure would like to hear about them.
The UV blocker in that white polytone is turning into a dirty
yellow. But maybe if I washed the mold off it would look better.
I just finished putting some hydraulic disk brakes on. Instead of
foot peddles, I made a differential lever system activated by my left hand.
The throttle is a twist grip on the joy stick so I needed something for my
left hand to do anyway.
I too am eliminating the rear torture chamber & putting fuel there.
Regarding your prop choice, my Geo Metro will be the same hp as the
912S & having an inflight adjustable prop would really make the best use of
the turbocharger. Ivo is the only option available in that the other
inflights are all much heavier & at least twice the cost, from 3-6K dollars.
I have heard from not so confident sources that the Ivo does not work well
over 80mph. I also know that their quality control is not so great when it
comes to having all the blades tracking the same, the pitch often varies
several degrees & there is no way to compensate- Ivo says that this is not
even an issue because they are so flexible that they absorb any difference.
Personally, that reasoning sounds off base, but I am not a prop specialist.
I know Ivo makes different planforms as well as offers a Medium model that
is substantially beefier. Maybe these perform well at higher cruise speeds
but I don't know of anyone who can give that information with objectivity.
Any Listers out there with Ivo experience in this envelope of speed & hp?
Keep us informed in your progress Rusty, Thanks all.
Richard Swiderski
SlingShot
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Greetings,
Well, I finally hauled the damaged SS home from the airport Saturday, and am
ready to get started. The more I look at it, the more I'm glad I chose to
rebuild from the ground up, and not just try to repair the damage.
In only 220 hours or so, the plane has certainly had it's share of wear.
The engine in particular is in need so some serious work. Much of the
radiator mounting has apparently been cast through the prop, which of course
didn't do the prop much good either. There are also a number of chafed
hoses, wires, etc. I'll end up replacing, or at least welding new mounts on
the radiator, and will plan to replace all the hoses. Better plan to read
the 912ULS manual too, unless I decide to replace it with a single rotor
Mazda. I have to admit that I was holding up 13B housings to get an idea
how well it would fit :-) Must try to resist...
Structurally, I can already see that something is broken loose inside the
vert stab, which wasn't hurricane damaged as far as I can tell. One main
gear is bent pretty badly, and the tailwheel spring is bent, and assembled
crooked (the wheel isn't vertical). It sort of looks like the lower vert
stab has been repaired once, but it's hard to say for certain. Can't wait
to see inside the fabric everywhere, and hope I don't find any more
surprises. Nose cone and all the lexan is getting replaced, and the fuel
"jugs" will be permanently installed in the trash, along with all the
carpet.
Aside from damage, I'm planning some changes. Weight savings will be high
on the list, since the previous EW was a portly 539. I just ordered my
fabric kit today, with no silver. I'll use UV block, and my now signature
white Polytone paint. Should be deja-vu for the DAR :-) The rear torture
chamber (seat) is being formally eliminated, and will be used for a baggage
location. 20 gallon custom aluminum fuel tank is in the planning stage.
BRS is already removed. Strobes may have to go as well. 2-blade IVO
ordered to replace damaged 3-blade Warp. I will try to extend the panel
closer to the pilot, so I can reach it. Nose cone will be removable, or at
least have a service hatch to get to the battery, brakes, etc. I'd like to
extend the lexan lower on the sides for a better downward view. Heel brakes
must be reworked to fit my big feat, or removed. I'm also considering the
removal of the flaperon system. I never used them on my previous SS, and I
don't intend to use them on this one either.
OK, that should stir something up, and I didn't even have to resort to using
the word "Seafoam" :-)
Cheers,
Rusty (don't need no stinkin' flaperons)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
> I made the nose cone removable on my FS KXP rebuild too.
I didn't know that. I actually got the idea from Paul Petty. Not sure how
I'll handle this yet.
> I recall your joke with Dennis about the structural life of a Kolb cage
...when it is
> finally full of rivet stems. :)
Good memory! I think my wings are going to be pushing their service life by
the time I drill out all those fabric rivets :-)
> I'd be curious about flap options in so far as possible changes that would
decrease stall speed better than the stock flaps. Anyone else experimented
with this on a Kolb?
-Ben
Have you measured your with and without flaperon stall speed? I just looked
up the old SS notes, and in all the test I did, measured between 2-4 mph
difference. In my mind, that's just not worth the trouble.
Rusty (I hate replying in plain text)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Rusty,
As you know I have SS 003. Does this mean my gear legs are thinner
walled than later models? ...Richard Swiderski
.....I haven't heard anything about any previous damage, other than
replacement
of some bent gear legs. I think those were thinner steel, and were replaced
by Kolb with the newer units.....
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Rusty and Gang,
I hope I didn't give the impression that I was questioning Bill Wood's
workmanship. That absolutely wasn't the case if that is the way it came
across. I was only saying that I thought I remembered that the guy that
bought the plane from Bill had an accident and then Bill repaired it. That
might explain why the lower vertical stab looked like it had been repaired
etc. I haven't closely inspected any of Bill's fab work but would bet money
that he does an excellent job. I did see his Slingshot a few years ago at
Ronnie Smith's flyin and it was a work of art as far as I could tell.
I was in contact with him not long ago to ask some questions about some
different finishing systems he had used as he has rebuilt/covered several
planes. He sent me some pictures of a Decathlon he had redone. It looked
great. Maybe not as good as the Slingshot he built, but very good.
do not archive
Later,
John Cooley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rusty
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: SS rework
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Isn't this the Slingshot that Bill Wood's originally built? Seems like I
remember that after he sold the plane it was damaged and then he rebuilt it
and sold it again.
----------------
Hi John,
I haven't heard anything about any previous damage, other than replacement
of some bent gear legs. I think those were thinner steel, and were replaced
by Kolb with the newer units. I didn't get the impression it took any real
damaging incident to bend them. If the covering was ever damaged, Bill would
have to have been the one to have repainted it, because it was still pretty
darn nice prior to Ivan.
I cut into the covering on the vert stab, and found that a tube is indeed
broken inside. It doesn't appear to be anything structural, and it was
built exactly per plans.
I should take this opportunity to point out that, while I have a number of
things I want to change, this should NOT be taken to mean that these are
things that were done wrong originally. I've seen no evidence of anything
done wrong by Bill, and I don't expect to find anything wrong as I continue
with the disassembly.
Cheers,
Rusty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Your comment on the flaperons are puzzling... either you know something I
don't or visa versa. I loved the ones I put on my old UltraStar & I love
the ones on my SlingShot.
(RD) As I just mentioned to Ben, I measured between 2-4 mph difference
between no flaps, and full flaps. The plane already drops like a stone, so
more flaps are never needed to make it come down. The pitch attitude is
much different, but not in a good way in my opinion. What do you love so
much about them?
I would like to make the nose cone removable, but haven't yet figured out an
easy way to do that. I might just end up using screws in place of rivots.
If you have any ideas I sure would like to hear about them.
(RD) My initial thought (warning, I really haven't looked at this yet) was
to use platenuts in the panel side (rear) of the fiberglass nose cone.
You'd then use screws to attach the cage to the panel side of the cone. On
the bottom, I'd use the existing holes in the cage (that some idiot riveted
<g>) to attach a small aluminum plate. Make the plate .032 aluminum or
greater, and use flush pop rivets. Install platenuts in the aluminum plate,
and use screws to hole the cone to the plate.
The UV blocker in that white polytone is turning into a dirty yellow. But
maybe if I washed the mold off it would look better.
(RD) Sorry :-) You're not storing this out in the sun are you?
I just finished putting some hydraulic disk brakes on. Instead of foot
peddles, I made a differential lever system activated by my left hand.
(RD) I'd love to see pics of that. Can you email me some?
I have heard from not so confident sources that the Ivo does not work well
over 80mph.
(RD) It's pretty well believed that they don't work that well over 180 mph,
at least in the magnum blades. No idea what the lower power blades will do
efficiently. FWIW, I got the 2-blade "medium" prop, because it will handle
100 hp, and still roll through my garage door.
Rusty (late for food)
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| Subject: | Re: No Fly in Alabama |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:37:56 -0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Craig Nelson" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck<mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com<mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:48 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: No Fly in Alabama
John an all
I was wondering the same thing. It's raining here in Phoenix too. I have been
working on the extra and am about to paint.
uncle craig MKIIIex 912 uls
warp www.milows.com<http://www.milows.com/>
don't even think of archiving
Haven't had any List mail in the last 24 hours. Are we still
operational?
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
As you know I have SS 003. Does this mean my gear legs are thinner
walled than later models? ...Richard Swiderski
(RD) I wondered the same thing Richard. The first I heard of different gear
legs was when Bill mentioned it. I recall those gear legs being pretty
sturdy (not that I ever stress tested them <g>). Short of an all out crash,
I just can't imagine bending the ones on your plane.
Cheers,
Rusty
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