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1. 04:47 AM - flapperons (Ted C)
2. 07:34 AM - Rotax Octane (Bob and Jenn B)
3. 07:59 AM - Re: Rotax Octane (John Hauck)
4. 10:08 AM - Re: flapperons (Rusty)
5. 10:12 AM - Re: Rotax Octane (Richard Pike)
6. 10:16 AM - Re: 912 (H MITCHELL)
7. 10:22 AM - Re: Rotax Octane (Bob and Jenn B)
8. 10:34 AM - Windshield Replacement (John Hauck)
9. 10:47 AM - Re: Off UL, An OF's Rant (GeoR38@aol.com)
10. 10:47 AM - Re: Rotax Octane (John Hauck)
11. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: UL: Off UL, An OF's Rant (GeoR38@aol.com)
12. 11:08 AM - Re: Rotax Octane (Lee.Creech@ky.gov)
13. 01:27 PM - Re: Rotax Octane (kfackler)
14. 01:37 PM - Re: Rotax Octane (robert bean)
15. 03:07 PM - Re: Rotax Octane (Richard Pike)
16. 04:31 PM - Re: Windshield Replacement (H MITCHELL)
17. 05:03 PM - Re: Windshield Replacement (John Hauck)
18. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: SS rework (Larry Bourne)
19. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: SS rework (Rusty)
20. 06:17 PM - Re: Rotax Octane (HShack@aol.com)
21. 06:31 PM - Warp Drive prop for sale, and BRS on Ebay (Rusty)
22. 07:37 PM - More ebay stufffff (Richard Pike)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted C <trc1917@direcway.com>
Guess I gotta put my two cents in too. I do not have the time in the seat as John
H. or some others but I will tell you this. I have put a considerable amount
of time in my original firestar, challengers, rans coyote, rag and tubes and
such and have never had the NEED or understanding of flaps or flapperons --
until this summer. A heavy loaded SS landing high in the mountain thinner air,
hot, humid, on a slanted runway. Wow, what a ride. Had to land off to the
side of the guys working on the center of the runway, painting a bulls-eye for
bomb drops. I thought I was at a good landing speed but suddenly dropped, slid
and spun -- two and a half times around. Ended up traveling backwards right
past the guys working. Of course, when I stopped I quiped " just checking
the size of your circle". Yeah, right. They believed that, right. When we left
the valley, it took the longest take-off I have ever done and forever to climb.
From that point on I decided to learn to use the flapperons. There was
another SS with us and had no difficulty taking off. Now I am a believer. I
have removed and bent my lever twice now and will do it one more time for ease
of use. It is very hard to reach.
I have deployed them as hot as 80 IAS and in my turn for final but was told it
was better to wait until you are straighted out and on final around 70 IAS as
it was hard on the hinges. Still, deployed at 70 gives a positive dump of the
nose but with a simple pull of the elevator you are game. I can set down at
around 40 and still have control and authority, roll out is less than three
hundred feet. Love it. Even if some day I will have an emergency landing and
glide is important, flapperons wont help much but I can believe I can land in
a lot smaller area than most others and this may save my butt. Deployed at the
very last minute may make the difference between a thump or a bump. Gotta
keep the faith -- and the flapperons. Inexperienced but learning. Ted Cowan,
Alabama. Love that SS.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
Is it acceptable to run 89 octane fuel in a 503 or should 91+ be used?
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Octane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
used?
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| Bob
Hi Bob/All:
Yes, you can run as low as 87 octane.
Only the 912ULS, 914, and 618 require minimum of 91 octane.
Wish I had know that when I was running 2 strokes and 912.
All these requirements are spelled out in operators manuals which are
available for viewing and download from this site:
http://www.kodiakbs.com/
Look on the left hand column for "Tech Info", click on it. Now, in
the left hand column, you have a choice of manuals for all the Rotax
engines.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
I really do appreciate the flaperon comments. I can't say yet what I'll do
with mine though. The easiest thing is to leave them as they are, though I
need to bend one of the pp tubes slightly to keep it from constantly banging
against the cage. I could probably come up with a better mechanism for
deploying them if I really thought it was worth the effort. Need to think
about it some more.
Cheers,
Rusty (cancelled the white PolyTone, and UV blocker, and bought a nice HVLP
system)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Octane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
87 or 89 is OK in a 503.
If you have a 532, it requires 91 octane
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:33 AM 12/8/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
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>Is it acceptable to run 89 octane fuel in a 503 or should 91+ be used?
>
>Bob
>
>
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Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:15:21 -0500
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Hello Bill,
Great to hear from you and thanks for sharing your experience.
Your E-mail brings up several good points and teaches us a lesson. I also had the
problem of finding wire small enough to clear that tiny idle jet orifice. One
strand from a piece of stranded copper wire did the trick for me. This is not
the first time I looked for extremely small wire for clearing jets. Small piano
wire may be available at the model airplane/hobby stores and I know that
some very small dia. stainless fishing leader is sold any place they sell serious
fishing tackle.
It doesn't take much to plug a small orifice so my current arrangement has a small
filter just upstream of each carburetor. Replacing them will be part of my
annual.
The dual gage carb balancing unit worked great but while I was using it I stood
on a footstool and leaned on one door a little too much and the windshield had
to be replaced. Ouch !!! Next time the doors come off before work starts.
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912, ~26 Hrs
From: Billie Futrell
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:06 PM
Subject: 912
Hey Duane,
I remember you were having a problem with your engine. I just want to tell
you about the experience I have had with mine. I took it out Sat. and it just
did not want to run over 3000 rpm. Static run-up WOT I was getting4800 rpm,
when I would do a mag check it would drop 6 to 800 rpm loss. I called Lockwood
and followed their inst. I took the carb bowls off and they were clean,I sprayed
carb cleaner in the carbs. Then I had a hard time getting it started, I guess
carb cleaner don't run very good. Well anyway I finally got it running and
did a static run-up. This time it ran worse, only 4800 rpm, when I did a mag
check it would loose so much rpm it would die and I thought it was going to shake
its self off the airplane. And it was the same on both mags.
Well another call to Lockwood and they said it was in the carbs. So I took
the carbs off and stated taking them apart to inspect them. the first one was
clean, absolutely nothing in it. The second one looked good to except the idle
jet part # 963-143. I could not see through it but it did not appear to be
blocked solid.That hole through it is so small, I think .009 thousands. I could
not get a needle through it, so I had a wire .015 and it was to big so I just
took air and blew it out. That was the only thing I found in both carbs.
Put it back together and did another run-up and it was smooth as silk, it went
right up to 5100 rpm, mag checks was only 50 rpm drop and was smooth in all
ranges.
Lockwood says that jet being blocked can affect both idle and full power and
believe me it will. It was so violent on mine I even checked to see if I had
any welds broken.
Hope this helps.
Bill Futrell
MK111xtra 912
Brooksville Fla
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| Subject: | re: Rotax Octane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
Thanks John,
I went back to my original Rotax manual (1988) and read it differently this
time. It states 90 RON or 80 MON. Pump octane ratings are the average of
the two (RON+MON/2) so that would say 85 pump octane is acceptable. Regular
gas it is!
Bob
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| Subject: | Windshield Replacement |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
using it I stood on a footstool and leaned on one door a little too
much and the windshield had to be replaced. Ouch !!! Next time the
doors come off before work starts.
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| Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912, ~26 Hrs
Duane/Gang:
Please share with us how leaning on a door is requiring replacement of
the windshield?
Load that MKIII up this weekend and meet us at Doyle Langford's
flyin.. Going to be a great weekend for flying.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Off UL, An OF's Rant |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/7/2004 8:57:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ronoy@shentel.net writes:
Pearl Harbor Day 2004
Our local fish-wrapper- The Astonisher & Daily Blatt aka The Winchester
Star went all out in remembering A Day of Infamy, with less than 8
column inches on pg. A5, below the fold yet--cobbed off The Washington
Post's equally
minuscule treatment on page A6. I reckon that's OK, since who among us
is still sound enough of mind to Remember Pearl Harbor--and who gives a
ratass besides? Pearl who?
It was after Sunday dinner (we had dinner at midday then) and my mother
was calling me to dry dishes, while my father was reading Time mag and
not really listening to the Crossly radio. Up in my room i was patiently
winding #30 SCC (single cotton covered) wire on an empty toilet paper
tube, as part of a short wave radio under construction. I had graduated
from high school and was a freshman in college.
I remember my father loudly exclaiming in German, when he wouldn't swear
in English: Gott im Himmel, the Japs have attacked Pearl Harbor! The
announcer on the old Blue Network said Pearl harbor was an island in the
Pacific that held a large U.S. Naval base. My mother was near tears
because her brother was Superintendent of Schools in the Philippines,
and a major in the Army Reserves. I was sent to Compton's Pictured
Encyclopedia (1928) to look up Pearl Harbor--to no avail--just Pearls
and Peary, Admiral. Dad went to his Webster's New International
Dictionary (1928) for more definitive information: Pearl Harbor, inlet,
6 m W Honolulu, Hawaiian Isls; pearls, U.S. Naval base.
Without television or instant communications, the public did not get the
full impact of the attack until much later, but then a wave of
patriotism rolled across the land, fueled by the increased scope of
information and pictures of the devastation. The populace was united in
their outrage.
I wanted to enlist immediately, to get my wings, and fight the Dirty
Japs. (I'll be heartily chastised for this characterization, but that
was then, this is now) My father opined that while we weren't yet at
war, it should be over soon since the Japs were not thought to have a
large war machine. So I stayed a civilian, but did get work as a welder
in the Chicago area, welding tank turrets and destroyer escorts. In
December 1942 I enlisted in the Navy V-5 Aviation Cadet flight training
program, learned to fly The Navy Way.
I Remember Pearl Harbor.
Bob N.
A soft salute to all the old boys
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
yer a good writer, bob....or Grey Baron
this was VERY interesting to me in particular as I have just finished a
class put on by Col. Jim Page ret who was actually in Pearl Harbor when it was
hit, and I belong to a group called the Hangar Flyers down here in The Villages
in Florida and many of them have personal stories about the Big One....wwII.
George Randolph
firestar driver from the villages, fl
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Octane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| If you have a 532, it requires 91 octane
| Richard Pike
Richard/All:
I remembered you had previously posted the above info, but only after
I had already hit the send key. Figured you would post to it.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: UL: Off UL, An OF's Rant |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/7/2004 9:59:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ronoy@shentel.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Errror, error.
Crossly should be Crossley. Dang sorrowful acct that.
dope-slapping.
Bob N.
do not archive
doworryaboudit. I remember that radio
George R
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Lee.Creech@ky.gov
While low-octane ("regular") is technically acceptable, this assumes ideal
circumstances. According to the (mis?)information I've heard, there may be
some other considerations: (1) Gas that has been sitting around for awhile
will tend to have a lower effective octane than its nominal rating. (2) Any
significant degree of carbon buildup in the combustion chamber will increase
the compression ratio, and thereby raise the octane requirement of the
engine. Given these possibilities, my policy has been to use mid-grade fuel
in summer, and top grade in winter, when it tends to sit around in my cans
and tanks longer before being used. For what it's worth. :)
Lee
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob and Jenn B [mailto:tabberdd@hotmail.com]
Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax Octane
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
Is it acceptable to run 89 octane fuel in a 503 or should 91+ be used?
Bob
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Octane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>> Is it acceptable to run 89 octane fuel in a 503 or should 91+ be used?
The local Authorized Rotax Repair chap, Steve Adamczak, just returned from
his re-certification this last weekend. As it turns out this topic was
covered in considerable depth during the workshop and he shared the "Rotax
recommendation" with me over dinner last night. For a whole host of reasons,
this was "if you're going to burn it TODAY, buy the low grade. It's not only
cheaper, but the engine was designed for it and you'll get better temps and
power. However, if you're going to let it sit for -any- length of time,
purchase the HIGH grade. And NEVER buy fuels with known components of
alcohol."
I've asked Steve to consider doing a presentation on this topic to our local
flying club sometime in the near future.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Octane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> NEVER buy fuels with known components of
> alcohol."
> Anyone know what fed regs there are requiring display of ingredients
on mogas pumps? I didn't pay attention during one fillup this past
summer and bought gas cut with ethanol. I thought I noticed a reduction
in power. It was bought at a Sun oil station. I now pay closer
attention
to my sources. -BB do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Octane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
You just made my day :)
Apparently we can both run, but neither of us can hide...
Have fun at Doyle's fly in and the nice wx, us Tennesseans will be building
a hangar for the Firestar during the next several days. Unfortunately, they
are calling for rain and a chance of snow showers up here. Whee...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 12:29 PM 12/8/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | 87 or 89 is OK in a 503.
>| If you have a 532, it requires 91 octane
>| Richard Pike
>
>Richard/All:
>
>I remembered you had previously posted the above info, but only after
>I had already hit the send key. Figured you would post to it.
>
>Take care,
>
>john h
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield Replacement |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:30:41 -0500
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Hello-o-o John H. et al,
When I started the Carb. Sync. procedure I opened the left door all the way, stood
on a stepstool located just forward of the main gear and leaned against the
door and reached over the wing to make the adjustments. When I finished both
the center section windshield and the left door had cracks radiating in all directions
from their hinge rivets. I replaced the door last week and am now making
the new windshield. The next time I do the Carb. Sync. procedure the door
comes off first.
I have Xmas company coming in tomorrow but may get a time break during the confusion.
Where is the flyin going to be?
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Windshield Replacement
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| The dual gage carb balancing unit worked great but while I was
using it I stood on a footstool and leaned on one door a little too
much and the windshield had to be replaced. Ouch !!! Next time the
doors come off before work starts.
|
| Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912, ~26 Hrs
Duane/Gang:
Please share with us how leaning on a door is requiring replacement of
the windshield?
Load that MKIII up this weekend and meet us at Doyle Langford's
flyin.. Going to be a great weekend for flying.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield Replacement |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
during the confusion. Where is the flyin going to be?
|
| Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL, Mk3/912
Duane the Plane/Gang:
The reason I asked about the trashed windshield was the description of
the disaster did not sound like the way Lexan would react to that kind
of treatment. Normally, one can do the damn damn on it without
breaking or cracking out of rivet holes.
Sounds more like acrylic, which looks just like Lexan, but is very
very brittle.
Here's all the info you ever wanted to know about the flyin at Doyle
Langford's flyin:
SFUA Flyin, 11-12 Dec 04 at Doyle Langfords (N31-00-856, W085-13-068).
Primitive camping, gasoline and food available. Barbeque Pork and
extras will be served for Lunch on Saturday December 11,2004. SFUA
Members and Spouses, Pilots that fly in, plus event helpers will eat
free. All others the cost will be $5.00 per person. The December SFUA
Club meeting will be held at 1:00 PM Saturday immediately following
lunch. For additional information contact Doyle at (334) 691-8000 or
cell (334) 726-8510.
Now, feeding the pilots for free and having the ground bound folks
that attend is alright, as long as I am flying in.
Doyle's airstrip, a nice long one in the cotton fields just north of
the Florida/Alabama border, is 48.6 miles on a heading of 309 degs
from 2J9, Quincy Airport. Be looking for you. I hope to get down
either Fri afternoon or early Sat morning.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I hope Dennis doesn't mind me jumping in like this, but when I visited him
in his mountaintop aerie in New Mexico, I took some pics of his panel. He
did a beautiful job, and made an awkward job look simple. I'd thought of
something like this myself, and came up with some weird and wonderful
contraptions, but nothing useful. Built my panel with some compromises, and
then, much later, ran into Dennis' effort. I like it much better than my
own, but I ain't going thru all that again. Take a look at:
http://www.tempics.homestead.com/files/down1.jpg
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: SS rework
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> My panel is 6 inches closer to me, AND it's hinged at the bottom, allowing
> it to easily swing down and provide open access to all the backs of the
> instruments, wiring, etc.
>
> (RD) Thanks Dennis. I looked through the archives, and found some folks
> describing the same sort of mod that you did. As they say though, a
> picture
> is worth a thousand words. The only downside to Matt's excellent list is
> that you can't include photos directly, and the links provided in the
> archive posts have long expired. Do you, or anyone else have a picture of
> the mod you did?
>
> (RD) On the same subject, I recall that Kolb used to sell a sub panel that
> essentially did what we're talking about. Is that still available
> anywhere?
>
>
> (RD) I just checked, and found that I'd need an extension of 9 or 10
> inches
> to put the panel at normal arm's reach. Rather than keeping it all under
> the canopy of the SS, I might even consider shortening the canopy to match
> where the panel ends up. Hmmm, lot's to consider.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty (mentally firing up the TIG welder)
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
I hope Dennis doesn't mind me jumping in like this, but when I visited him
in his mountaintop aerie in New Mexico, I took some pics of his panel.
(RD) What a great idea! I've been mentally making this a lot harder than
it had to be. I can easily see a version of this idea in the SS. Thanks
for the pic. You may have saved Dennis some time :-)
Rusty (cleaned out the garage, ready to get started)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Octane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 12/8/2004 10:35:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tabberdd@hotmail.com writes:
Is it acceptable to run 89 octane fuel in a 503 or should 91+ be used?
I [& many others] have been running 87 octane for hundreds of hours with no
problems. Will start using 89 octane in the summer, though.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Warp Drive prop for sale, and BRS on Ebay |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Greetings,
The BRS-5, VLS 900 that no one seems interested in is on Ebay starting in a
couple hours. The item number is 4510669950, and starting bid is $1000.
I'm also selling the 3-blade, 72" Warp Drive prop from the SS if anyone is
interested. It has the 912S bolt pattern, as well as some significant
damage from foreign object ingestion. One blade is fine, one has a 1/8"
nick, and the 3rd has about a 1/2" crack that's been semi-repaired before.
I removed the prop because I'd rather have a two blade for height reasons.
sending it to Warp for repair. I will also include a nice spinner, and the
rusted bolts. Contact me offline if you're interested, and I can take some
pics. Make me a decent offer and it's yours. Otherwise, Ebay gets it.
Cheers,
Rusty
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| Subject: | More ebay stufffff |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Ebay also is auctioning my 3 blade Ivo, 62" new, perfect.
Search - Ivoprop
Also selling an old Second Chantz ballistic chute.
Rated at 550lbs max weight, way out of date, might be useful - might not.
Search - ballistic parachute
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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