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1. 04:15 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 48 Msgs - 12/10/04 (Bob and Jenn B)
2. 07:47 AM - Re: Cuyunas (Charlie England)
3. 08:14 AM - Re: new lists was Cuyunas (Rusty)
4. 08:30 AM - Re: Fair price for used 912S? (J.D. Stewart)
5. 08:54 AM - Flying on the Cheap (Jack & Louise Hart)
6. 09:48 AM - Re: Flying on the Cheap (Dale Sellers)
7. 09:56 AM - Re: Cuyunas (Dale Sellers)
8. 10:08 AM - Re: Fair price for used 912S? (Rusty)
9. 11:38 AM - Re: Fair price for used 912S? (Denny Rowe)
10. 11:46 AM - Flagfly Don (Denny Rowe)
11. 11:50 AM - Re: Fair price for used 912S? (Rusty)
12. 12:17 PM - Re: Fair price for used 912S? (robert bean)
13. 12:53 PM - Aileron gap seals (Bob and Jenn B)
14. 03:47 PM - [ Bill Woods ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
15. 03:49 PM - Re: Flying on the Cheap (GeoR38@aol.com)
16. 03:50 PM - [ Richard Swiderski ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
17. 03:53 PM - [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
18. 04:02 PM - used firestar 2 tail heavy (WADE LAWICKI)
19. 04:13 PM - Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Rusty)
20. 04:31 PM - Re: used firestar 2 tail heavy (Rusty)
21. 04:36 PM - Re: used firestar 2 tail heavy (George E. Thompson)
22. 04:36 PM - Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (GeoR38@aol.com)
23. 05:24 PM - Re: [ Bill Woods ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Larry Bourne)
24. 05:44 PM - Re: [ Bill Woods ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Beauford)
25. 05:54 PM - WetFly PIcs...Now this looks like FUN...!!! (Beauford)
26. 06:00 PM - Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (N27SB@aol.com)
27. 06:03 PM - Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (N27SB@aol.com)
28. 06:06 PM - Re: WetFly PIcs...Now this looks like FUN...!!! (N27SB@aol.com)
29. 07:11 PM - Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Rusty)
30. 08:56 PM - Re: tail heavy firestar 2 (WADE LAWICKI)
31. 09:45 PM - Re: Fair price for used 912S? (Denny Rowe)
32. 09:48 PM - Re: Aileron gap seals (Denny Rowe)
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| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 48 Msgs - 12/10/04 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
Having a Matronics Rotax list and Cayuna list may not be a bad idea. Then
we can get everyones input regardless of what airplane the engine is on.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
David M. Lehman wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David M. Lehman" <kolbypilot@yahoo.com>
>
>Something about a "hornet's nest" here...
>
>I started the other group because I thought people
>wanted it, if not, I'll gladly close it and save me
>the work...
>
>Just let me know...
>
>Regards...
>
>David
>
I have no dog in this hunt (don't even own an ultralite yet) but I
signed up to learn about Kolbs. My personal preference is to have it all
in one place. I do own an RV-4 & I had to sign up for 4 or 5 RV-x lists
to catch all relevant RV info. When RV guys have a question, they will
typically post to the general list and to the list that's specific to
their model. Most 'listers' do what I do & subscribe to the general list
+ their model, so they get to read a LOT of messages twice (or 3 or 4
times).
FWIW,
Charlie
(Will Rusty's rotary powered SS be able to pass the BUC test?)
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| Subject: | new lists was Cuyunas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Charlie
(Will Rusty's rotary powered SS be able to pass the BUC test?)
------------------------
(RD) You're treading on dangerous ground here Charlie :-)
(RD) FWIW, I agree with keeping everything on one list. I was a member of
the RV list when all the model specific lists came out. As Charlie pointed
out, you have to go to the main list if you have a question that's common to
all the models. If you have a model specific question, you can try the
specific list, but many people don't choose to be on the specific lists, so
you often end up going to the main list anyway. It sounded like a good
idea, and I might have even voted to do it when the question was originally
asked, but I don't think the specific lists are the best solution.
(RD) The various Kolb models are built almost the same, so almost any
building topic can be relevant to everyone. The Kolb list isn't all that
busy, and since it's plain text, and no pictures, it doesn't even consume
that much time to download for dialup folks. As long as you put enough info
in the subject line to let people know what the post is about, they can make
a quick decision to read it, or skip it.
Cheers,
Rusty (don't ask about BUC, and no one gets hurt)
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| Subject: | Re: Fair price for used 912S? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
Hi Rusty;
I've got a regular 80 hp 912 on my new Titan SS (Super Stretch, not
SlingShot. :>). I'd like to upgrade to a 912S. Would you be interested in
a trade + some cash? Mine's about 4 years old, with 185 hours on it.
I wouldn't need the oil cooler, radiator or exhaust, since I already
have that stuff. In fact, if this works out, all we would need to do is to
exchange the actual engine.
I'm asking $7500 for mine. Yours would be worth more, of course.
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports
www.ultrafunairsports.com
Challenger List and Website administrator
http://challenger.inebraska.com
Titan Aircraft E-mail List
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fair price for used 912S?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
> Greetings,
>
> As stupid as it sounds, I'm thinking seriously about selling the 912S that
> came on the SS I bought, but I have no idea what a fair price would be.
It's
> about 5 years old, with about 230 hours on it, and would sell with the
Titan
> exhaust, oil tank, oil cooler, radiator, throttle and choke linkages, and
> any hardware used to mount it on the SS. For now, let's assume there would
> be no prop included, since the Warp Drive is already being listed on
E-bay,
> and I can exchange my new IVO if needed.
>
> What would be a fair price to ask?
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty (yes, I may actually BE crazy)
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Flying on the Cheap |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Ray & Dale & Kolbers,
One of the neat things is that all kinds of experiences are expressed on
this list that are not Kolb related. Some are personal and flying related.
Ray, I thought I was getting a little old at just about 69, and you picked
me up and you have given me a goal to shoot for.
Also, one of the neat things in life is that not everyone is dealt the same
hand. Most make the best out of what they have and enjoy life as best they
can. This list is pretty much the embodiment of people doing the best they
can so there is nothing wrong with being proud of what you have done or what
aircraft or engine you are flying. Just think how you would feel if you
could not or had not flown.
I was eight years old when I was given my first ride by my Uncle in and
Aeronica Champ. I was hooked, but it was not until 1973 that I was able to
begin flying lessons. But I was not able to finish, and over the years I
made several attempts to get my certificate. Then in about 1984, my dentist
talked me into coming out to help with a sailplane club. I joined and flew
sailplanes for two years, but again I was not able to get a certificate.
I retired at age 58 due to a wife who wanted to take a job out of state and
asked me to come along. I did not realize how beat down I was until I got
away from the work world and into retirement. My mother died and left me a
little money and I used it to purchase a FireFly kit from the old Kolb
Company. The reasons for the purchase were that I had trouble with passing
my last medical, the ultra light vehicle regs had been developed, and the
FireFly would let me sit up front with my nose in the breeze. So at age 63,
I took my first flight in my un-aircraft (ultra light vehicle) as an
un-pilot in command.
If I had to rank personal possessions, the FireFly would rank up at the top.
Why? If I get in a mean and ugly mood, my wife just tells me to go fly. A
half an hour in the air a week keeps me smoothed out and happy. The cost is
equivalent to taking Prozac, and it is much more fun. Also, there is hope
for me. I still have my pilot log books and, as I understand it, those
hours are good toward the sport pilot certificate. I will have to book up.
Nothing written on this list can force you to do anything but what you
already want to do. You guys hang in there.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
do not archive
At 06:23 AM 12/10/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>
>Dale,
> Welcome to the club of "low and slow" (and cheap). Built my first UltraStar
in 1980. Cuyuna never let me down. Many other airplanes through the years
(16). I'm 86 and learned to fly in 1935 (may be the oldest Kolb driver). Back
to a Cuyuna UltraStar at present (middle Tenn.) There are many UltraStars
still out there with Cuyunas. There's a list somewhere. Start a new list for us.
Something else in common. I'm fighting two big, fat melanomas. To you, no need
to say anything more. The old "Homer Kolb" really has very little in common
with the "New Kolbs". Don't tell the new, young whippersnappers, but the "Old
Kolbs" are a better airplane all around for fun, sport flying. Get the new list
started !!
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>Dale Sellers <dsel1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers"
>
>I know of a few who run Cuyunas/2si. I run one on a UltraStar I rebuilt. I
>would love to be able to have a Mark III Extra with a big 912 on it but I
>can't afford it. I'm retired on a fixed income (Disability). I have
>terminal cancer and more than all my extra dollars are already spoken for.
>But this doesn't deminish my love of flying which I've been doing for 35
>years or so. I have a pvt. ticket and have built three experimentals and do
>love to fly and always will. But all I can do is the best I can do. I
>suspect there are others that can't afford Rotax but feel embarassed to talk
>about what they have. I'm proud of what I have and would like to talk to
>others who are doing the best they can with what they can afford.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Dale Sellers
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on the Cheap |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Jack,
I appreciate your comments. I have accepted the hand I have been delt. I
have a fatal desease that should have already killed me. For some reason,
God has chosen not to take me yet. I just would enjoy talking to others
who, like me, are limited in what they have to put into something they
love.....flying! It seems that on this list, most or all ot the chatter
comes from the guys who are fortunate enough to be able to do the high
dollar thing and I am glad for them. I know they enjoying talking to others
who can afford to be in their class and they should be able to do that and
there's nothing wrong with that. The thing is, many who are in my class, so
far as what they can afford to put into flying, feel inferior on this list
and don't talk much. I wish they didn't feel this way, they don't have any
reason to. They are just doing the same thing the rest of us are
doing....the best we can with what we have. We should ALL feel proud of our
accomplishments, no matter how big or small. I'm proud of my little bird
because I put it together with my own two hands even though it has a less
than desirable engine and it is finished with house paint. It gathers me up
and takes me flying and that's what's important.
Again, I enjoyed reading your comments.
Thanks,
Dale
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack & Louise Hart" <jbhart@ldd.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Flying on the Cheap
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
> Ray & Dale & Kolbers,
>
> One of the neat things is that all kinds of experiences are expressed on
> this list that are not Kolb related. Some are personal and flying
> related.
> Ray, I thought I was getting a little old at just about 69, and you picked
> me up and you have given me a goal to shoot for.
>
> Also, one of the neat things in life is that not everyone is dealt the
> same
> hand. Most make the best out of what they have and enjoy life as best
> they
> can. This list is pretty much the embodiment of people doing the best
> they
> can so there is nothing wrong with being proud of what you have done or
> what
> aircraft or engine you are flying. Just think how you would feel if you
> could not or had not flown.
>
> I was eight years old when I was given my first ride by my Uncle in and
> Aeronica Champ. I was hooked, but it was not until 1973 that I was able
> to
> begin flying lessons. But I was not able to finish, and over the years I
> made several attempts to get my certificate. Then in about 1984, my
> dentist
> talked me into coming out to help with a sailplane club. I joined and
> flew
> sailplanes for two years, but again I was not able to get a certificate.
>
> I retired at age 58 due to a wife who wanted to take a job out of state
> and
> asked me to come along. I did not realize how beat down I was until I got
> away from the work world and into retirement. My mother died and left me
> a
> little money and I used it to purchase a FireFly kit from the old Kolb
> Company. The reasons for the purchase were that I had trouble with
> passing
> my last medical, the ultra light vehicle regs had been developed, and the
> FireFly would let me sit up front with my nose in the breeze. So at age
> 63,
> I took my first flight in my un-aircraft (ultra light vehicle) as an
> un-pilot in command.
>
> If I had to rank personal possessions, the FireFly would rank up at the
> top.
> Why? If I get in a mean and ugly mood, my wife just tells me to go fly.
> A
> half an hour in the air a week keeps me smoothed out and happy. The cost
> is
> equivalent to taking Prozac, and it is much more fun. Also, there is hope
> for me. I still have my pilot log books and, as I understand it, those
> hours are good toward the sport pilot certificate. I will have to book
> up.
>
> Nothing written on this list can force you to do anything but what you
> already want to do. You guys hang in there.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Jackson, MO
>
> do not archive
>
>
> At 06:23 AM 12/10/04 -0800, you wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Dale,
>> Welcome to the club of "low and slow" (and cheap). Built my
>> first UltraStar in 1980. Cuyuna never let me down. Many other airplanes
>> through the years (16). I'm 86 and learned to fly in 1935 (may be the
>> oldest Kolb driver). Back to a Cuyuna UltraStar at present (middle Tenn.)
>> There are many UltraStars still out there with Cuyunas. There's a list
>> somewhere. Start a new list for us. Something else in common. I'm
>> fighting two big, fat melanomas. To you, no need to say anything more.
>> The old "Homer Kolb" really has very little in common with the "New
>> Kolbs". Don't tell the new, young whippersnappers, but the "Old Kolbs"
>> are a better airplane all around for fun, sport flying. Get the new list
>> started !!
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>Dale Sellers <dsel1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers"
>>
>>I know of a few who run Cuyunas/2si. I run one on a UltraStar I rebuilt. I
>>would love to be able to have a Mark III Extra with a big 912 on it but I
>>can't afford it. I'm retired on a fixed income (Disability). I have
>>terminal cancer and more than all my extra dollars are already spoken for.
>>But this doesn't deminish my love of flying which I've been doing for 35
>>years or so. I have a pvt. ticket and have built three experimentals and
>>do
>>love to fly and always will. But all I can do is the best I can do. I
>>suspect there are others that can't afford Rotax but feel embarassed to
>>talk
>>about what they have. I'm proud of what I have and would like to talk to
>>others who are doing the best they can with what they can afford.
>>
>>Just a thought.
>>
>>Dale Sellers
>
>
> Jack & Louise Hart
> jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Denny, I understand. No problem.
Dale S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cuyunas
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Dale,
> The idea you are referring to was someone elses, my only comment on this
> thread is whats shown below. The other comments about switching around
> was
> somehow tied to my name in some-body elses reply.
> Sincerely,
> Denny Rowe (Does that make any sense at all? :-)
>
>>
>> I like that idea but don't know how to make it happen.
>>
>> Dale
>
>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>
>>> Denny Rowe <rowedl@highstream.net> wrote:
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe"
>
>
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>> Dale,
>>> I have the liquid cooled 2SI 690 on my Kolb, if that qualifies me for
>>> the
>>> Cuyuna group, let me know. I'll join in.
>>>
>>> Denny Rowe
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fair price for used 912S? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Thanks for the info JD. Did I understand correctly that the price you
mentioned was for your engine only, not the coolers, exhaust, etc? BTW,
that's a mighty fine looking Titan :-)
When I was planning to build another SS (not Super Stretch <g>), I had
pretty much decided on the 912, rather than the 912S. Either is plenty of
power for a SS, and the 912 was cheaper, and burns 87 octane. As for the
trade, I don't think that's really what I'm shooting for at the moment. The
choice between 912 and 912S was tight for me, and since I have the 912S
already, I'll keep it if I decide to stay with the Rotax. I just can't get
this rotary thought out of my head, and think it might be worth selling the
912S to follow my obviously masochistic tendencies :-)
Cheers,
Rusty (hope I don't end up taking as long as Richard <g>)
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| Subject: | Re: Fair price for used 912S? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
. I just can't get
> this rotary thought out of my head, and think it might be worth selling
> the
> 912S to follow my obviously masochistic tendencies :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty
Rusty,
A 912S in hand versus a rotary conversion in the bush?
That is somewhat beyond masochistic tendencies! ;-)
You may want to seek help.
Denny Rowe
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Just wondering why we havn't heard from Don G for a while?
You still out there pal? I lost my address book a while back so I can't check
with you off list.
I'll bet you're deep into another flying project by now.
OK, out with it, what are you up to?
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Fair price for used 912S? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Rusty,
A 912S in hand versus a rotary conversion in the bush?
That is somewhat beyond masochistic tendencies! ;-)
You may want to seek help.
Denny Rowe
--------------------
(RD) LOL! Well, it's not the first time I've heard this. Heck, it's not
even the first time today :-)
Rusty (selling the 912S to pay for a psychiatrist)
At the very least- Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fair price for used 912S? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
On 11, Dec 2004, at 2:50 PM, Rusty wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> Rusty,
> A 912S in hand versus a rotary conversion in the bush?
> That is somewhat beyond masochistic tendencies! ;-)
> You may want to seek help.
>
> Anybody can pull some parts out of a box and screw them together.
Tab A into slot B..... Rusty wants to experiment. More (rotary) power
> to him. -BB do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Aileron gap seals |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
For those that have used dacron sail repair tape for your gap seals, did you
use the 2" or could you find 3" somewhere? Does 2" tape give enough surface
area to remain sticking or should I just use 3" book-binding tape?
Bob Bennethum
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| Subject: | [ Bill Woods ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on the Cheap |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/11/2004 11:54:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jbhart@ldd.net writes:
If I had to rank personal possessions, the FireFly would rank up at the top.
Why? If I get in a mean and ugly mood, my wife just tells me to go fly. A
half an hour in the air a week keeps me smoothed out and happy. The cost is
equivalent to taking Prozac, and it is much more fun. Also, there is hope
for me. I still have my pilot log books and, as I understand it, those
hours are good toward the sport pilot certificate. I will have to book up.
Nothing written on this list can force you to do anything but what you
already want to do. You guys hang in there.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
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Wow! what a great letter!! Jack, not in a million years would I have thought
that that letter was yours until I saw your name at the bottom. (I missed
the "from" line) You most certainly have come a long way since those early
years, since I look at your posts as one of the "heavies" on this list.
Thanks for touching earth for the moment. As usual I agree with your request
for everyone to stay on one list.....after all...isn't that why it is
soooooo great?
yours in aviation
George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl
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Looks great Steve. I know those floats must be lighter than they appear.
What did they end up weighing?
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im the proud owner of a used firestar 2 and new to the list, after w&b i
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Welcome Wade.
I don't mean to insult you by asking this, but since I don't know how
familiar you are with doing W&B measurements, please forgive me. When you
weighed the plane, did you have it in a level flying attitude? It's fairly
common for people to weight the plane with the tailwheel on the ground, and
report that it's tail-heavy. That being said, it's also not uncommon to
really be tail-heavy. Just trying to determine which category this falls
into.
If you really are tail-heavy, the best thing to do is remove weight at the
tail if possible. There's not a lot of optional items back there, but if
the plane has a heavy full swivel tailwheel, you could possibly switch back
to something lighter.
Do you have a battery, or any other item in the rear of the cage that can be
moved to the nose? You could possibly move yourself forward an inch or two
with a thick seatback if that helps the numbers.
As a last resort, you may have to add weight to the nose. The farther
forward the better of course. Both Slingshots are in this same CG
condition, and I used to joke about buying some ankle weights for anyone
light who wanted to fly it, and I was only half kidding :-)
Cheers,
Rusty
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I built a Firesrae 2 and it was also tail heavy. I had an electric stasrter
so I put the battery under the front seat. I am not as heavy as you and it
seemed to do the job just fine.
Az Bald Eagle
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Oh, my, my, my....Steve.....what an idyllic setting and YOU made it
happen.....with a bit of Duane the Plane thrown in as well, I'm sure!! Great job!!
George Randolph
ps where is that lake?
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Steve and Duane... way to go....!
You guys need to be arrested for exceeding the fun limit...!
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(DRYFLY, but for how long...?)
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In a message dated 12/11/2004 7:14:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Looks great Steve. I know those floats must be lighter than they appear.
> What did they end up weighing?
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Thanks RUSTY
28# each and the mount gear weighs less than the land wheels we took off
steve b
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> Steve and Duane... way to go....!
> You guys need to be arrested for exceeding the fun limit...!
> Will be standing by to see how it flys... and to hear all the tech
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> Beauford
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Thanks Beauford
but don't forget about Bryan,
Duane built the plane but Bryan is my partner in crime.
(crime of fun that is)
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28# each and the mount gear weighs less than the land wheels we took off
(RD) Maybe I missed something in the previous list posts. Are these floats
something that you and your partner in crime created, or are they sold by
someone else? I always though the float exception was a great loophole in
the UL weight limits :-)
Have fun!
Rusty (got water, but no floats)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI <wlawicki@yahoo.com>
sorry i wasnt detailed, im pretty bare bones, no electric, tail wheel at flying
attitude( standard steerable),503 dcdi, 2 blade warp drive prop, brs 750 top
mount moved as far forward as possible( to main spar attatch point), single 5
gal fuel in forward tank position
i have a total of #352 including brs, #53 ON THE TAIL! seems like alot to me, but
this is my first tail dragger so i had someone with more w&b help me. also
increased back rest cushion 3 in. we came up with 36%, we can lower it to 31%,
but thats by adding #25 of lead shot in front of rudder pedals. is 36% safe
or am i playing with fire.
thanks wade
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fair price for used 912S?
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>>
>> Anybody can pull some parts out of a box and screw them together.
> Tab A into slot B..... Rusty wants to experiment. More (rotary) power
>> to him. -BB do not archive
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Good point Bob,
What Rusty is mulling over is what makes America GREAT! Freedom. I just
couldn't resist ribbing him.
I love hearing about powerplants like yours and Rustys on this list, makes
my home brewed 2SI engine mounts and cooling system look like childs play.
Keep up the good work fellows, and keep us updated on your progress.
The more timid among us may someday follow in your steps.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, 2SI 690L-70, (Cheapskate Special) its an inside joke I bet
Will gets. ;-)
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>
? Does 2" tape give enough surface
> area to remain sticking or should I just use 3" book-binding tape?
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> Bob Bennethum
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> Bob,
I used the 3" book binding tape on my Ailerons and flaps.
Works good.
Denny Rowe
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