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1. 05:01 AM - Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (N27SB@aol.com)
2. 05:55 AM - Re: Re: tail heavy firestar 2 (Rusty)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Rusty)
4. 06:20 AM - Re: Running a 912S without a prop? (possums)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: tail heavy firestar 2 (John Jung)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: tail heavy firestar 2 (possums)
7. 07:01 AM - Re: tail heavy firestar 2 (ray anderson)
8. 07:15 AM - Re: tail heavy firestar 2 (Rusty)
9. 07:48 AM - Re: tail heavy firestar 2 (ray anderson)
10. 08:43 AM - Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (George Bass)
11. 08:53 AM - Re: tail heavy firestar 2 (robert bean)
12. 08:55 AM - Experimenting (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
13. 10:09 AM - Re: Flying on the Cheap (Jerry Curtin)
14. 11:24 AM - Re: [ Bill Woods ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (PATRICK LADD)
15. 12:39 PM - Re: Introduction. (PATRICK LADD)
16. 01:55 PM - Re: Cuyunas (Don Gherardini)
17. 02:16 PM - Re: Flagfly Don (Don Gherardini)
18. 02:54 PM - Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (N27SB@aol.com)
19. 02:56 PM - Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (N27SB@aol.com)
20. 07:36 PM - Re: Fair price for used 912S? (Richard Swiderwski)
21. 07:56 PM - owners in tn. (WADE LAWICKI)
22. 08:15 PM - Re: owners in tn. (WillUribe@aol.com)
23. 08:35 PM - Re: owners in tn. (Giovanni Day)
24. 08:36 PM - Re: owners in tn. (Giovanni Day)
25. 08:56 PM - Re: owners in tn. (Richard Pike)
26. 08:57 PM - Re: Fair price for used 912S? (Rusty)
27. 09:55 PM - Re: Flagfly Don (Denny Rowe)
28. 10:08 PM - Re: Fair price for used 912S? (Denny Rowe)
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| Subject: | Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 12/11/2004 10:11:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
13brv3c@bellsouth.net writes:
> 28# each and the mount gear weighs less than the land wheels we took off
>
> (RD) Maybe I missed something in the previous list posts. Are these floats
> something that you and your partner in crime created, or are they sold by
> someone else? I always though the float exception was a great loophole in
> the UL weight limits :-)
>
> Have fun!
>
> Rusty (got water, but no floats)
>
>
Hi Rusty,
This float is made by Czech Float. They built this version for me with the
ribs and hard points where I needed them for a FireFly.They also left the attach
tabs oversized so I could move things a bit. You can see these vertical tabs
in the photos. They will be trimmed down later and capped off. Bryan and I
are really doing this project for fun but if there is interest he can package
the parts pre cut and ready to bolt on a "WetFly". The switch is so simple you
could change from a WetFly to a DryFly anywhere and still trailer it. I can
also get some special pricing from Czech.
Part 103 gives you an extra 60# for floats. In the past it was hard to add
floats and keep in the minimums but it we looks like we have done it. We should
be able to stand in front of it with a handful of scales and smile at the FAA
when they walk by. We also have some fiberglass floats in the shop that may
work as well. Thanks for your interest and I will continue to post results.
Steve Boetto
WetFly #007
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| Subject: | re: tail heavy firestar 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
i have a total of #352 including brs, #53 ON THE TAIL! seems like alot to
me, but this is my first tail dragger so i had someone with more w&b help
me. also increased back rest cushion 3 in. we came up with 36%, we can
lower it to 31%, but thats by adding #25 of lead shot in front of rudder
pedals. is 36% safe or am i playing with fire.
--------------------
(RD)
Hi Wade. Hopefully someone on the list with a FS-II can double check your
numbers. I've only had SlingShots, which aren't quite the same. My manual
shows 35% as the aft CG limit, so if it's the same for the FS-II, I would
not recommend flying at 36%. Once you go aft of the CG limit, you risk
putting yourself in a plane that's uncontrollable in some flight modes.
Also, level attitude isn't necessarily intuitive on these planes. The
SlingShot manual says to have the bottom of the wing at 9 degrees angle of
attack, but you should double check that figure with the FS-II manual.
Since you're new to the list, you may not know about Matt's excellent
archives. You can search years of posts, and probably find some additional
info. I'd bet there's even some W&B figures from other planes in there if
you can find them. The search page is at:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/search.html At the top, you have to
select Kolb as the archive to search.
Sorry I can't be of more specific help on the FS-II, but hopefully someone
can jump in here, or you can find something in the archives.
Good luck,
Rusty (the rotor head)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
I can also get some special pricing from Czech.
(RD) That would sure be helpful :-) Thanks for all the extra info. I've
toyed with the idea of floats for the SS, but the price is what drives me
away. I looked at the Czech float page, but didn't see any option for
buying an aluminum float kit. If they offered it, perhaps it would be
cheaper.
Thanks again, and good luck,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Running a 912S without a prop? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 09:20 PM 10/24/2004, you wrote:
>...but, I've also been spoiled because, on a different aircraft, I had an
>Arplast 3-blade prop, and those have GOT to be the best props in the
>world... It had the most powerful thrust I ever felt, and it was so quiet
>I could cruise without ear protection. But they are pricey little cusses.
>
>To be honest, though, I don't know if Arplast makes one that would be
>suitable for a 912ULS... I had mine mated to a Rotax 503.
>
> -- Robert
I've seen them and heard them and would like to have one (especially a red
one) - but...
how much are they for a 503?? I know they are pricey, but they
are defiantly different than my warp drive.
And how tough are they?
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| Subject: | Re: tail heavy firestar 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Wade and Group,
A Firestar II at 36% MAC CG is not problem at all. I
have been flying mine at between 36.8% and 37.0% for
the last 6 years. It has electric start, BRS chute, a
503 with the oil injection tank on the back of the
engine, and two five gallon tanks. I added no extra
weight to move the CG forward. Some of the Firestar
plans, over the years, allowed for a 37% limit. I
believe that the New Kolb may have changed the limit
back to 35%. Also, after being on this list for around
8 years, I don't recall ever reading about a Firestar
with an aft CG problem, and I am aware of at least
several others that are flying at between 36% and 37%.
How do I know? I ran their numbers on the Excel
program that I wrote for Firestar W&B.
So, my recommandation is, don't add weight for CG
reasons, as long as you are 37% or less.
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: tail heavy firestar 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 09:38 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>
>Wade and Group,
>
>A Firestar II at 36% MAC CG is not problem at all.
-snip-
>I am aware of at least
>several others that are flying at between 36% and 37%.
>How do I know? I ran their numbers on the Excel
>program that I wrote for Firestar W&B.
>
>So, my recommandation is, don't add weight for CG
>reasons, as long as you are 37% or less.
>
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
Me too - mine was near the limit even before I added the 4 pound
full swivel tail wheel. And that's a lot of weight to add that far back.
Didn't notice any difference. These little planes turn a lot better
when they are a little tail heavy anyway.
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| Subject: | Re: tail heavy firestar 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
All,
Will stick my nose in where I shouldn't. Just a word of caution. Any airplane
will fly more or less normally, or at least feel that way, with a tail
heavy condition (several points out of the approved % limit). The time it bites
you is when you might accidentally stall and find that it suddenly wants to
spin, which it probably will. It quickly develops into a flat spin and that's
all she wrote. You aren't going to recover unless that Ballastic is primed and
ready to go. If you don't have the ballistic, well ---------. There are countless
investigative reports recording this.
Sorry to sound so negative but see what some of the others think.
Do not archive
possums <possums@mindspring.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums
At 09:38 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung
>
>Wade and Group,
>
>A Firestar II at 36% MAC CG is not problem at all.
-snip-
>I am aware of at least
>several others that are flying at between 36% and 37%.
>How do I know? I ran their numbers on the Excel
>program that I wrote for Firestar W&B.
>
>So, my recommandation is, don't add weight for CG
>reasons, as long as you are 37% or less.
>
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
Me too - mine was near the limit even before I added the 4 pound
full swivel tail wheel. And that's a lot of weight to add that far back.
Didn't notice any difference. These little planes turn a lot better
when they are a little tail heavy anyway.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | tail heavy firestar 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Some of the Firestar
plans, over the years, allowed for a 37% limit. I
believe that the New Kolb may have changed the limit
back to 35%.
-------------------
(RD) Now that's certainly interesting. I still have some W&B notes from
the original SS, including the parameters that calculated as the aft CG
limit. Sure enough, when I do the calculations, that puts the CG at 37%.
Thanks for pointing this out!
Wade- sorry if I steered you wrong.
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: tail heavy firestar 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
All,
An addendum to my previous post. I, like many, have the cannister BRS, you
can't push it but so far forward and this is where some of us get the tail
heavy condition. I had to add 10 lbs. lead in the nose of my Ultra Star to bring
it in specs.
For heavens sake !!! What's the big deal about adding nose weight of 10-15
lbs to our Kolbs, even the lowly 35 HP Ultra Star doesn't even know it's there.
If it bothers you psychologically, go on a diet and loose that much weight.
Better to be "penny wise, than pound foolish". Put what ever it takes in
the nose to put it in the safe zone and fly with peace of mind. Every experimental
home builder expects to shuffle batteries, etc, around or add weight either
in the tail or nose. No big deal. ( another point to remember, if you carry
insurance on your baby and an accident happens, you had better have the correct
figures to back any claim. !) YOU ARE LUCKY TO HAVE A KOLB THAT CAN HANDLE
IT AND NEVER KNOW IT'S THERE.
ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson
All,
Will stick my nose in where I shouldn't. Just a word of caution. Any airplane will
fly more or less normally, or at least feel that way, with a tail heavy condition
(several points out of the approved % limit). The time it bites you is
when you might accidentally stall and find that it suddenly wants to spin, which
it probably will. It quickly develops into a flat spin and that's all she
wrote. You aren't going to recover unless that Ballastic is primed and ready to
go. If you don't have the ballistic, well ---------. There are countless investigative
reports recording this.
Sorry to sound so negative but see what some of the others think.
Do not archive
possums
wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums
At 09:38 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung
>
>Wade and Group,
>
>A Firestar II at 36% MAC CG is not problem at all.
-snip-
>I am aware of at least
>several others that are flying at between 36% and 37%.
>How do I know? I ran their numbers on the Excel
>program that I wrote for Firestar W&B.
>
>So, my recommandation is, don't add weight for CG
>reasons, as long as you are 37% or less.
>
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
Me too - mine was near the limit even before I added the 4 pound
full swivel tail wheel. And that's a lot of weight to add that far back.
Didn't notice any difference. These little planes turn a lot better
when they are a little tail heavy anyway.
---------------------------------
Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
Couldn't resist adding a possible new
name to the Kolb lineup....... This one
actually flies from the water.....
"Flys Water" or "Fly-swater"
George Bass
P. O. Box 770
Camp Verde, AZ
86322
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| Subject: | Re: tail heavy firestar 2 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Group, trying to put the stall sequence in my mind's eye....
As you approach stall your center of (dwindling) lift travels
forward on the wing until gravity exceeds it. At that point if
the CG is behind it your butt should go down first. Actually
a plane configured similar to a kolb will still drop nose first.
My guess is that the tail surfaces helped by the long moment
arm facilitates a happy outcome. What Ray adds would
be a spin entry which could be a lot less comfortable.
I've had occasion to encounter a flat spin condition but not
in a tailheavy craft. The easy fix was full throttle which neatly
drove me out. Very strange and calm event but I had plenty
of altitude to work with because I was doing deliberate spin
testing. -BB, MkIIIc, 15lbs lead and lawn tractor battery in
nose cone.
On 12, Dec 2004, at 10:48 AM, ray anderson wrote:
>
> YOU ARE LUCKY TO HAVE A KOLB THAT CAN HANDLE IT AND NEVER KNOW IT'S
> THERE.
>
> The time it bites you is when you might accidentally stall and find
> that it suddenly wants to spin, which it probably will. It quickly
> develops into a flat spin and that's all she wrote. You aren't going
> to recover unless that Ballastic is primed and ready to go. If you
> don't have the ballistic, well ---------. There are countless
> investigative reports recording this.
> Sorry to sound so negative but see what some of the others think.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Speaking of experimenting, did you guys see the pic of Chuck "One-Way"
Asbaughs's BMW powered Kolb? He has also redesigned the nose and, looking
at the pics, it looks like it can open like a clamshell. I for one would
sure love to know more about this plane 'cuz it sure looks kool. The pics
are in an article reporting the WWUA Pumpkin Drop fly-In in Gilcrest,
Colorado. Man, that outing looks like fun and I'd like to get up there some
time. Anyone know about it? If so, couldja drop me a phone number off list
of a WWUA member or Cole Farm person to contact.
AzDave
(By the way, I changed the subject line to more closely follow where this
part of the thread is heading)
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fair price for used 912S?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Good point Bob,
> What Rusty is mulling over is what makes America GREAT! Freedom. I just
> couldn't resist ribbing him.
> I love hearing about powerplants like yours and Rustys on this list, makes
> my home brewed 2SI engine mounts and cooling system look like childs play.
> Keep up the good work fellows, and keep us updated on your progress.
> The more timid among us may someday follow in your steps.
>
> Denny Rowe, Mk-3, 2SI 690L-70, (Cheapskate Special) its an inside joke I
> bet
> Will gets. ;-)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on the Cheap |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net>
Hi Dale, As one of those guys that has been at the upper end of scale of
airplanes, I can tell you that it's not the cost nor the speed that is what
brings me my pleasure of flying, it's my grandson's excitement. To that I
have gone full circle and have returned to the Kolb and it's family for my
true enjoyment of flying. Had the opportunity to meet a few Kolb flyers at
Lucedale this year and enjoyed the day in spite a the tragedy that happened
there. The accomplishment of building a flying aircraft with your own skills
is what is most important, not the cost. You and all the others that have
accomplished this feat have done what most would only dream about. Just look
any day and see what is available that is not complete for sale in trade a
plane and barnstormers. Fly low and slow and just enjoy it. Hope to meet
you, Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying on the Cheap
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Jack,
> I appreciate your comments. I have accepted the hand I have been delt. I
> have a fatal desease that should have already killed me. For some reason,
> God has chosen not to take me yet. I just would enjoy talking to others
> who, like me, are limited in what they have to put into something they
> love.....flying! It seems that on this list, most or all ot the chatter
> comes from the guys who are fortunate enough to be able to do the high
> dollar thing and I am glad for them. I know they enjoying talking to
others
> who can afford to be in their class and they should be able to do that and
> there's nothing wrong with that. The thing is, many who are in my class,
so
> far as what they can afford to put into flying, feel inferior on this list
> and don't talk much. I wish they didn't feel this way, they don't have
any
> reason to. They are just doing the same thing the rest of us are
> doing....the best we can with what we have. We should ALL feel proud of
our
> accomplishments, no matter how big or small. I'm proud of my little bird
> because I put it together with my own two hands even though it has a less
> than desirable engine and it is finished with house paint. It gathers me
up
> and takes me flying and that's what's important.
>
> Again, I enjoyed reading your comments.
>
> Thanks,
> Dale
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack & Louise Hart" <jbhart@ldd.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Flying on the Cheap
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
> >
> > Ray & Dale & Kolbers,
> >
> > One of the neat things is that all kinds of experiences are expressed on
> > this list that are not Kolb related. Some are personal and flying
> > related.
> > Ray, I thought I was getting a little old at just about 69, and you
picked
> > me up and you have given me a goal to shoot for.
> >
> > Also, one of the neat things in life is that not everyone is dealt the
> > same
> > hand. Most make the best out of what they have and enjoy life as best
> > they
> > can. This list is pretty much the embodiment of people doing the best
> > they
> > can so there is nothing wrong with being proud of what you have done or
> > what
> > aircraft or engine you are flying. Just think how you would feel if you
> > could not or had not flown.
> >
> > I was eight years old when I was given my first ride by my Uncle in and
> > Aeronica Champ. I was hooked, but it was not until 1973 that I was able
> > to
> > begin flying lessons. But I was not able to finish, and over the years
I
> > made several attempts to get my certificate. Then in about 1984, my
> > dentist
> > talked me into coming out to help with a sailplane club. I joined and
> > flew
> > sailplanes for two years, but again I was not able to get a certificate.
> >
> > I retired at age 58 due to a wife who wanted to take a job out of state
> > and
> > asked me to come along. I did not realize how beat down I was until I
got
> > away from the work world and into retirement. My mother died and left
me
> > a
> > little money and I used it to purchase a FireFly kit from the old Kolb
> > Company. The reasons for the purchase were that I had trouble with
> > passing
> > my last medical, the ultra light vehicle regs had been developed, and
the
> > FireFly would let me sit up front with my nose in the breeze. So at age
> > 63,
> > I took my first flight in my un-aircraft (ultra light vehicle) as an
> > un-pilot in command.
> >
> > If I had to rank personal possessions, the FireFly would rank up at the
> > top.
> > Why? If I get in a mean and ugly mood, my wife just tells me to go fly.
> > A
> > half an hour in the air a week keeps me smoothed out and happy. The
cost
> > is
> > equivalent to taking Prozac, and it is much more fun. Also, there is
hope
> > for me. I still have my pilot log books and, as I understand it, those
> > hours are good toward the sport pilot certificate. I will have to book
> > up.
> >
> > Nothing written on this list can force you to do anything but what you
> > already want to do. You guys hang in there.
> >
> > Jack B. Hart FF004
> > Jackson, MO
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > At 06:23 AM 12/10/04 -0800, you wrote:
> >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>Dale,
> >> Welcome to the club of "low and slow" (and cheap). Built my
> >> first UltraStar in 1980. Cuyuna never let me down. Many other airplanes
> >> through the years (16). I'm 86 and learned to fly in 1935 (may be the
> >> oldest Kolb driver). Back to a Cuyuna UltraStar at present (middle
Tenn.)
> >> There are many UltraStars still out there with Cuyunas. There's a list
> >> somewhere. Start a new list for us. Something else in common. I'm
> >> fighting two big, fat melanomas. To you, no need to say anything more.
> >> The old "Homer Kolb" really has very little in common with the "New
> >> Kolbs". Don't tell the new, young whippersnappers, but the "Old Kolbs"
> >> are a better airplane all around for fun, sport flying. Get the new
list
> >> started !!
> >>DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >>
> >>
> >>Dale Sellers <dsel1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers"
> >>
> >>I know of a few who run Cuyunas/2si. I run one on a UltraStar I rebuilt.
I
> >>would love to be able to have a Mark III Extra with a big 912 on it but
I
> >>can't afford it. I'm retired on a fixed income (Disability). I have
> >>terminal cancer and more than all my extra dollars are already spoken
for.
> >>But this doesn't deminish my love of flying which I've been doing for 35
> >>years or so. I have a pvt. ticket and have built three experimentals and
> >>do
> >>love to fly and always will. But all I can do is the best I can do. I
> >>suspect there are others that can't afford Rotax but feel embarassed to
> >>talk
> >>about what they have. I'm proud of what I have and would like to talk to
> >>others who are doing the best they can with what they can afford.
> >>
> >>Just a thought.
> >>
> >>Dale Sellers
> >
> >
> > Jack & Louise Hart
> > jbhart@ldd.net
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [ Bill Woods ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi Bill,
That is a really pretty plane. Now I have to start scratching my head for a
design for the Xtra. Not that I don`t have a few things to do first. Like
building it!
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
On September 4, 2004, after some 20-30 crow hops, I just
kept on going. First flight was totally uneventful.>>
Congratulations,
tuck her away carefully for the winter.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Dale,
I am running a UL-II02 on my Firefly...3 blade 60 inch ivo on a 2Si
gearbox...about 90 hours on it or so by now.
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
HIya Denny...
Still here bro....reading up every few days....been real busy at work. I
know it may be hard to believe...but I just havent had anything to say!!!!!!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 12/12/2004 9:00:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
13brv3c@bellsouth.net writes:
> I looked at the Czech float page, but didn't see any option for
> buying an aluminum float kit. If they offered it, perhaps it would be
> cheaper.
>
>
They don't but the Firefly kit would be the same.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: [ Steve Boetto ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 12/12/2004 11:43:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gtb@commspeed.net writes:
> Couldn't resist adding a possible new
> name to the Kolb lineup....... This one
> actually flies from the water.....
>
> "Flys Water" or "Fly-swater"
>
> George Bass
> P. O. Box 770
> Camp Verde, AZ
> 86322
>
>
>
OOOOFFFF
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| Subject: | Fair price for used 912S? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Hey Rusty,
I know you'd been off this List for a while, so we can cut you some
slack, but in the future if you have any wise cracks about taking a long
time to finish a project, you are suppose to use Big Lar as the worst
standard of measurement, not me as you did below. ...Richard Swiderski
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rusty
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Fair price for used 912S?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Thanks for the info JD. Did I understand correctly that the price you
mentioned was for your engine only, not the coolers, exhaust, etc? BTW,
that's a mighty fine looking Titan :-)
When I was planning to build another SS (not Super Stretch <g>), I had
pretty much decided on the 912, rather than the 912S. Either is plenty of
power for a SS, and the 912 was cheaper, and burns 87 octane. As for the
trade, I don't think that's really what I'm shooting for at the moment. The
choice between 912 and 912S was tight for me, and since I have the 912S
already, I'll keep it if I decide to stay with the Rotax. I just can't get
this rotary thought out of my head, and think it might be worth selling the
912S to follow my obviously masochistic tendencies :-)
Cheers,
Rusty (hope I don't end up taking as long as Richard <g>)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI <wlawicki@yahoo.com>
just wondering how many kolb owners in tn. being a new kolb owner makes me want
to check out others planes.
wade
FS 2
do not arcive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Wade,
I'm working in Nashville for a week but not with my Firestar.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WADE LAWICKI
Subject: Kolb-List: owners in tn.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI <wlawicki@yahoo.com>
just wondering how many kolb owners in tn. being a new kolb owner makes me
want to check out others planes.
wade
FS 2
do not arcive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
There are a couple of owners here in Murray, KY very close to Paris, TN
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WADE LAWICKI
Subject: Kolb-List: owners in tn.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI <wlawicki@yahoo.com>
just wondering how many kolb owners in tn. being a new kolb owner makes
me want to check out others planes.
wade
FS 2
do not arcive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Will,
I am a couple of hours from Nashville. If you have time come by.
Giovanni
MKIII/912 80566
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WillUribe@aol.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: owners in tn.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Wade,
I'm working in Nashville for a week but not with my Firestar.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WADE LAWICKI
Subject: Kolb-List: owners in tn.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI <wlawicki@yahoo.com>
just wondering how many kolb owners in tn. being a new kolb owner makes
me
want to check out others planes.
wade
FS 2
do not arcive
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| Subject: | Re: owners in tn. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I have a Kolb MKIII and a FSII (not mine but it lives here & I am building
it) that is real close to being finished.
Richard Pike
Kingsport TN
At 07:56 PM 12/12/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI <wlawicki@yahoo.com>
>
>just wondering how many kolb owners in tn. being a new kolb owner makes me
>want to check out others planes.
>
>
>wade
>FS 2
>do not arcive
>
>
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| Subject: | Fair price for used 912S? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
I know you'd been off this List for a while, so we can cut you some slack,
but in the future if you have any wise cracks about taking a long time to
finish a project, you are suppose to use Big Lar as the worst standard of
measurement, not me as you did below. ...Richard Swiderski
Do not archive
-------------------
Sorry, I should have realized that. Weren't we already picking on him years
ago when I was on the list before? I bet his plane isn't moldy though :-)
PS, I'll either be putting off the SS for a while, or working on it full
force to get it flying ASAP. My change of schedule came this afternoon when
my oil cooler ruptured, smoke filled the cockpit from an oil fire, and I had
to deadstick my RV-3 into a Navy helicopter field. Plane and pilot are fine,
engine is not. I'll be taking the plane apart in the morning to haul it
back to the hanger :-(
Cheers,
Rusty (very tired)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
Don G wrote:
I know it may be hard to believe...but I just havent had anything to
say!!!!!!
>
> Don Gherardini
> FireFly 098
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Hey Don,
Thats never stopped me from chiming in.
Good to know you are still out there keeping an eye on the list.
Denny
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| Subject: | Re: Fair price for used 912S? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> Do not archive
> -------------------
. My change of schedule came this afternoon when
> my oil cooler ruptured, smoke filled the cockpit from an oil fire, and I
> had
> to deadstick my RV-3 into a Navy helicopter field. Plane and pilot are
> fine,
> engine is not. I'll be taking the plane apart in the morning to haul it
> back to the hanger :-(
>
> Cheers,
> Rusty (very tired)
>
>
> Rusty,
Glad to hear you made it through without injury!
Great job on getting your RV down safely.
Sounds like a good time to go ahead and keep the 912 to speed up getting a
plane back in the air?
Denny
PS: of course, you don't sound like a fellow who shirks a challenge either.
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