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1. 02:09 AM - Re: Center of Lift and CG (PATRICK LADD)
2. 02:27 AM - Re: mo CG (PATRICK LADD)
3. 02:30 AM - Re: UltraStar weight and balance (PATRICK LADD)
4. 03:31 AM - Re: 2005 Flying Season (PATRICK LADD)
5. 03:38 AM - Re: mo CG (PATRICK LADD)
6. 03:54 AM - Re: mo CG (PATRICK LADD)
7. 04:25 AM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance (PATRICK LADD)
8. 05:48 AM - Re: mo CG (John Hauck)
9. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance (John Hauck)
10. 07:06 AM - w&b (boyd young)
11. 07:08 AM - Re: 2005 Flying Season (Larry Bourne)
12. 08:11 AM - Re: mo CG (David M. Lehman)
13. 09:50 AM - Re: 2005 Flying Season (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
14. 10:06 AM - Curtis Wright Jr (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
15. 12:40 PM - Re: mo CG (Charlie England)
16. 01:31 PM - Re: 2005 Flying Season (PATRICK LADD)
17. 01:48 PM - Re: mo CG (PATRICK LADD)
18. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: 2005 Flying Season (John Williamson)
19. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: 2005 Flying Season (Larry Bourne)
20. 06:15 PM - 260.835 miles (Bill Vincent)
21. 08:24 PM - Re: 260.835 miles (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: Center of Lift and CG |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
the front fourth generates very little lift,>>
Hi,
I think I shall have to disagree with that.
Sailplane wings, which without doubt are the most efficient wings in the
air are long and narrow.. This gived the exact opposite of your suggestion,
a very extended leading edge to main spar area.
The area from the main spar to the trailing edge is kept to a minimum .
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi Lar,
just a small addition to my last post.
After all the technical guff in the Challenger it all boils down to `Sit in
it with engine running. If the front wheel is on the ground you are within
limits`
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: UltraStar weight and balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Anybody know hou to do a true weight and balance on a US?>>
Hi Dale,
Probably someone more knowledgeable than I will be able to help you out
here.
If all else fails, come back to me.
Pleased to help.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: 2005 Flying Season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
With that in mind, I propose that we hold our 3rd Annual Kolb
Gathering at
| Monument Valley, UT (UT25) on May 20-22, 2005.>>
As Eccles in the Goons used to say `You dirty rotten swine`.
I shall have returned to the UK by then.
!"$%&
****
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
If you want to know everything the FAA has to say about weight and balance,
>then you need to read the book>>
Hi all,
just as a matter of interest, what non technical plane building books do you
read in th States.?
Over here I would think that a book by Kermode called `Flight without
formula` is read by everyone from aero modellers to home aircraft builders.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Reckon we did the ultralight thing a little different on this side of
the pond. ;-)>>
Hi John,
aint that the truth!
I suspect that like us your ultralights grew out of hang gliders with little
engines screwed on.
We managed quite well for a while building and flying without interference
but then there was a series of well publicised accidents and the CAA stepped
in.
Luckily Ann Welch, a long serving and well respected member of the British
Gliding Association got imvolved and managed to get the same autonomy for
the fledgling ultralight community that the Gliding Assoc had managed to
retain.
This gave permission for us to get on with our own organisation as long as
we kept our respective noses clean. This has worked well and I think that
since the introduction of `Section S` which laid down a standard for build
quality and specified what an ultralight is in law there have been no
structural failures.
We have never had the freedom to build and fly whatever we liked that you
seem to have in your experimental category.
I am not sure if that is good or bad!!!!!!
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
He will NOT pull out the scales and
check your weights>>
Hi, over here it would probably depend on the assesment of your ability made
by the Inspector during the build process.
If he sees that your work is of good quality he will probably accept your
figures. If not....., after all he is signing the machine off as flyable.
All ultralights here are supposed to be weighed at their annual every five
years to ensure that it does not exceed the MTOW which defines an ultrlight
in law. People add, radios,spats,extra tanks etc., and if you are not within
the law then the insurers will wriggle out of paying for any accident.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
that you
| seem to have in your experimental category.
| I am not sure if that is good or bad!!!!!!
|
| Cheers
|
| Pat
Pat/Gang:
Personally, I think the freedom we have to experiement with our little
airplanes is great!
Yes, there is a great deal of difference in the amount of freedom
Americans have compared to other countries. We are fortunate people,
that can never forget the price of that freedom.
Merry Xmas and Happy New Year,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| and if you are not within
| the law then the insurers will wriggle out of paying for any
accident.
|
| Cheers
|
| Pat
Pat/Gang:
Same here. Insurance Companies are in business not to pay us.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Thanks John I'll take a five dollar Question. If I eat a lot over the
Holidays will it make me more or less tail heavy? LOL Do not archive
bryan green
are you talking about you or the airplane????
boyd lol
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| Subject: | Re: 2005 Flying Season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
That's easy............un-return and come join us. Good time guaranteed.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2005 Flying Season
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> With that in mind, I propose that we hold our 3rd Annual Kolb
> Gathering at
>
> As Eccles in the Goons used to say `You dirty rotten swine`.
>
> I shall have returned to the UK by then.
>
> !"$%&
> ****
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David M. Lehman" <kolbypilot@yahoo.com>
The absolute "Bible" of aircraft weight and balance is
"Aircraft Weight & Balance Control", by Henri Georges
D'Estout... If you want to know everything there is
to know about aircraft W&B, curl up in front of the
fire and read this book...
The FAA has their own W&B book, "Aircraft Weight and
Balance Handbook", FAA-H-8083-1... It will instruct
you how to perform a W&B on a 747, although the theory
is the same for a Kolb...
DVD
--- PATRICK LADD <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> If you want to know everything the FAA has to say
> about weight and balance,
> >then you need to read the book>>
>
> Hi all,
> just as a matter of interest, what non technical
> plane building books do you
> read in th States.?
>
> Over here I would think that a book by Kermode
> called `Flight without
> formula` is read by everyone from aero modellers to
> home aircraft builders.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 2005 Flying Season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
"John Williamson" suggested: << I propose that we hold our 3rd Annual Kolb
Gathering at
Monument Valley, UT (UT25) on May 20-22, 2005. >>
Kolb Friends -
I propose we do Monument Valley the weekend prior: 13-15 May.
I missed MV last year, but am definitely planning to attend this year.
Dennis Kirby
New Mexico
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| Subject: | Curtis Wright Jr |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
ray anderson wrote: << Actually I soloed in 1935 in a Curtis Wright Jr. >>
Ray -
What a rare bragging right you have!
No wonder you are flying a Kolb now - the Curtis Wright Jr is one of the
earliest examples of "our type of airplane configuration" that was ever
produced. (High wing, tailwheel, mid-mounted pusher engine)
Homer obviously admired the design also.
Dennis Kirby
Verner-Mark-III
New Mexico
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
I can field that one; courtesy of my wife's observations (of our
friends, of course).
If you're male, the cg goes forward. Female: back.
bryan green wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
>Thanks John I'll take a five dollar Question. If I eat a lot over the
>Holidays will it make me more or less tail heavy? LOL Do not archive
>
>John Williamson wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>>
>>If you want to know everything the FAA has to say about weight and balance,
>>then you need to read the book.
>>
>>The book is written for airplanes and helicopters but since ultralights are
>>close to being an aircraft, you could use the same principles. :)
>>
>>The following is from the FAA website:
>>
>>FAA-H-8083-1, Aircraft Weight and Balance Handbook
>>Subject: This handbook has been prepared in recognition of the importance of
>>weight and balance technology in conducting safe and efficient flight.
>>Modified: 7/16/2003 12:42:24 PM [17055k]
>>http://av-info.faa.gov/data/traininghandbook/faa-s-8083-1.pdf
>>
>>After reading the book, if you still have questions you need to talk to a
>>local flight instructor. Or for $25 per hour I will talk with you about it
>>or for $5 a question I will email answers... :)
>>
>>
>>John Williamson
>>Arlington, TX
>>
>>CFI, CFII, AMEL, ASEL
>>
>>
>>Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 703 hours
>>http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>>Zenith CH701 Project
>>http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
>>http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
>>
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>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: 2005 Flying Season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
..un-return and come join us. Good time guaranteed. >>
I just bet.
I wish I could, but I am looking forward to perhaps meeting some of the
people on this list at S and F even though it looks as though I shall only
be there for a day.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Personally, I think the freedom we have to experiement with our little
airplanes is great!>>
Yes John, of course you are right as ,long as the neck you are risking with
your experiments is your own
Perhaps if we fall out of the sky we are more likely to fall on someone than
you are.
Have a good Xmas looking out on your lake and flying in sunny skies and
think of me in Scotland, definitely non flying but a roaring fire,
comfortable arm chairs, a little dancing and a couple of drams of Tallisker
ot Glen Livet. Then home to get my first look at the Kolb kit to start off
2005.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: 2005 Flying Season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi Dennis and all:
>>Dennis wrote:
>Kolb Friends -
>I purpose we do Monument Valley the weekend prior: 13-15 May.
>I missed MV last year, but am definitely planning to attend this year.
>
>Dennis Kirby
>New Mexico
I have your vote for the 13-15 May Dennis K.
I picked the 20-22 May to allow several Kolbs to make the SWRFI Fly-in on
the weekend after Mother's day and allow still not be out over the Memorial
Day weekend.
The 20-22 May also lets the weather get a week better before some of will
have to cross some mountains known to have WX issues earlier in the month.
I still purpose that we hold our 3rd Annual Kolb Gathering at Monument
Valley, UT (UT25) on May 20-22, 2005 and will keep a tally of what the
possible attendees prefer.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 703 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
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| Subject: | Re: 2005 Flying Season |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I hafta agree with John about the extra week. It could make a real
difference, but I'll be a fence-sitter and go with the majority.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: 2005 Flying Season
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Hi Dennis and all:
>
>>>Dennis wrote:
>>Kolb Friends -
>>I purpose we do Monument Valley the weekend prior: 13-15 May.
>>I missed MV last year, but am definitely planning to attend this year.
>>
>>Dennis Kirby
>>New Mexico
>
> I have your vote for the 13-15 May Dennis K.
>
> I picked the 20-22 May to allow several Kolbs to make the SWRFI Fly-in on
> the weekend after Mother's day and allow still not be out over the
> Memorial
> Day weekend.
>
> The 20-22 May also lets the weather get a week better before some of will
> have to cross some mountains known to have WX issues earlier in the month.
>
> I still purpose that we hold our 3rd Annual Kolb Gathering at Monument
> Valley, UT (UT25) on May 20-22, 2005 and will keep a tally of what the
> possible attendees prefer.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 703 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
> Zenith CH701 Project
> http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
> http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi John
Do you realize that you have flown 10.8 times around the earth?
Hours in my three Kolbs - 3,781.8 hours (Not counting time in Kolb Factory
aircraft and others)(Equates to 260,835 statute miles)
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| Subject: | Re: 260.835 miles |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Bill V/Gang:
Feels like it sometimes.
Couldn't think of a better way to do it. Sure beats commercial.
Take care,
john h
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