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1. 01:24 AM - Re: small rotary engine was HKS (jerb)
2. 04:05 AM - Sport Pilot (Bob and Jenn B)
3. 04:39 AM - Re: speaking of engines! (bryan green)
4. 04:48 AM - Fuel Feed (Edward Steuber)
5. 04:54 AM - Re: small rotary engine was HKS (bryan green)
6. 05:45 AM - Re: Sport pilot papers? (Kirk Smith)
7. 05:53 AM - Re: Fuel Feed (Denny Rowe)
8. 06:11 AM - 503 fuel tank (Charles & Meredith Blackwell)
9. 06:36 AM - Re: Fuel Feed (John Hauck)
10. 07:28 AM - Re: 503 fuel tank (Larry Bourne)
11. 07:43 AM - Monument Valley Pic (Larry Bourne)
12. 07:51 AM - Re: Monument Valley Pic (Larry Bourne)
13. 08:13 AM - Re: Sport pilot papers? (Steve Garvelink)
14. 08:55 AM - Re: Sport pilot papers? (John Williamson)
15. 08:59 AM - Re: Sport pilot papers? (John Williamson)
16. 09:41 AM - Re: Motorgliders (Steve Kroll)
17. 10:25 AM - Re: Motorgliders (Jack & Louise Hart)
18. 11:00 AM - Re: Fuel Feed (woody)
19. 12:14 PM - Re: Sport pilot papers? (Kirk Smith)
20. 12:34 PM - sportplane vm (Paul Petty)
21. 03:55 PM - New Kolb forum (Sean Caranna)
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| Subject: | Re: small rotary engine was HKS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
A few years back I believe it may have been that rotary displayed at Sun &
Fun. Cost then was in the 5-6K area if I recall right. My concern was no
base of installed units. there was a plane there that have one installed
but never seen it fly. They were sold by a UK company.
jerb
At 06:07 PM 12/30/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vann Covington" <vann_covington@ncsu.edu>
>
>The 912 is a great engine. No denying that. But you have to admit we could
>use an engine in the 50 to 60 hp range that is not a 2 stroke and that is
>within the wt parameters of planes lighter than a Mark 3. Could that be the
>HKS? My KXP weighs about 360. Diamond does make the AE50R for their
>motorglider. It comes with fuel injection and it weighs about 80 to 90lb
>complete. The engine is certified in Europe. They informed me that they
>thought they could come up with one for me with a reduction drive, but that
>is the last word I heard from them.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: small rotary engine was HKS
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> >
> > | I'm convinced that a
> > | single rotor Mazda conversion can be superior to a 912S though. It
> > would
> > | require some parts that aren't readily available, but I'm planning
> > to build
> > | one (somehow) anyway.
> > |
> > | Cheers,
> > | Rusty
> >
> > Hi Rusty/Gang:
> >
> > Do you think we have a requirement for an engine that superior?
> >
> > I just shut mine down a little while ago. Hour meter read 918.8
> > hours. So far all this engine has done is satisfy my aviating
> > requirements. Been 100% reliable. Reckon I can call it a good engine
> > when the clock hits 3,000.0 hours and she is still going strong. That
> > is what I'm hoping anyhow.
> >
> > For a matter of interest, this 912ULS has never quit running on me for
> > any reason. A first in my flying career. The 912 quit twice. in
> > 1,135.0 hours. Cause: Contaminated fuel. Responsibility: Pilot.
> > ;-(
> >
> > Take care and good luck on that rotary. I too would like to see an
> > alternative power source as reliable as a 912 and for 1/4 or 1/3 the
> > price.
> >
> > john h
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
Check out www.sportpilot.org for all the answers from the EAA.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: speaking of engines! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Lookin good Paul thanks for the update. Do not archive
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Paul Petty wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
>
>Hi Kolbers,
>Last night we mounted the 912 on Ms. Dixie! We are not happy with the arrangement
of the aluminum angle TNK sent us but it will work for rigging of the fuel
system/oil tank ect...
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Gang,
Have been thinking about trying to increase my fuel in my Ultrastar by
5 gallons behind the 5 gallon seat tank...... the seat tank is lower than the
proposed tank mounted in the cage and I have ruled out using the vent on the
seat tank
because of a possibility of leaks at the cap and vent....sooo....my question is
: If I use a dual feed pulse fuel pump , will I experience any problems
when one tank runs dry ( probably the high tank )? Will air be pumped into the
fuel line from the empty tank ? Will I need a check valve to keep the high
tank from being filled ? The seat tank has a check valve in the squeeze bulb so
that should keep the fuel from being pushed into the seat tank....How about
when it is not being flown ....parked ? I would like to eliminate any valves so
the fuel system will require no pilot input (idiot proof) Anybody have any
experience with this set-up ?
I just thought I might save myself a lot of trouble ,money and time by
asking . I did not find anything in the archives although I may have missed it.
Thanks,
ED
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| Subject: | Re: small rotary engine was HKS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I located the name of the co. and sent an e-mail for info and price.
Will post if I get a reply.
Bryan Green Elgin SC
jerb wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
>A few years back I believe it may have been that rotary displayed at Sun &
>Fun. Cost then was in the 5-6K area if I recall right. My concern was no
>base of installed units. there was a plane there that have one installed
>but never seen it fly. They were sold by a UK company.
>jerb
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot papers? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> Hi Kirk and all,
>
> A pilot with a PPL or higher certificate is not required to fly with his
> pilot logbook with him.
Thanks John,
That seems odd though. Not having proof of BFR with you would seem to be
the same as not having proof of PPL or drivers license with you. Not
supposed to make sense I guess. ;o)
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber"
> <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
>
> Gang,
> Have been thinking about trying to increase my fuel in my
> Ultrastar by 5 gallons behind the 5 gallon seat tank...... the seat tank
> is lower than the proposed tank mounted in the cage and I have ruled out
> using the vent on the seat tank
> because of a possibility of leaks at the cap and vent....sooo....my
> question is :
If I use a dual feed pulse fuel pump , will I experience any problems
when one tank runs dry ( probably the high tank )? Will air be pumped into
the fuel line from the empty tank ? Will I need a check valve to keep the
high tank from being filled ? The seat tank has a check valve in the squeeze
bulb so that should keep the fuel from being pushed into the seat
tank....How about when it is not being flown ....parked ? I would like to
eliminate any valves so the fuel system will require no pilot input (idiot
proof) Anybody have any experience with this set-up ?
> I just thought I might save myself a lot of trouble ,money and
> time by asking . I did not find anything in the archives although I may
> have missed it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ED
Ed,
I would stick with the regular single Mikuni impulse pump you already have,
and buy a two into one selector valve from one of the UL suppliers like
Olenick, LEAF, Spruce, CPS, or Lockwood.
The arrangement working from what I assume is a single carb toward the tanks
would go as follows.
Fuel line from carb inlet to out put of Mikuni pump, fuel line from inlet
of pump to fuel filter output, fuel line from filter input to primer bulb
output, fuel line from primer bulb input to fuel selector valve, Than each
of the two inlets to the valve are plumbed to a tank and don't forget the
finger strainers in the bottom of your tanks.
This way you don't have any cross flow issues, you only draw from the tank
that is selected.
Hope I didn't forget anything.
Denny Rowe
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles & Meredith Blackwell <wozani@optonline.net>
"Another possible solution might be larger gas tanks
for 503s. is anyone carring more than 10 gallons in a
Firestar or Mark II?"
John and other MKII fans: I've been flying with twin 6 gallon tanks, clearish
plastic in the position of the originals. Can do about 4 hours cruising at
roughly 60mph if I wanted to, but my back and butt decide it is enough by the
time I've hit 3 hours, my longest flight. The 503 was rebuilt before I bought
it and has 60 hours on it now. The DCDI is the original and I want to atleast
replace the linkages this spring. So far, so good.
Charlie, NJ MKII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| because of a possibility of leaks at the cap and vent.... |
|
ED
Morning Ed/Gang:
Increasing fuel capacity was always a quest in my Ultrastar and
Firestar.
US was built with standard 2 each 1.75 gal go kart tanks. After first
80 mile cross country, decided I needed more fuel. I ran out of gas a
foot from touch down at home base. Got on the phone, called Little
Mike at Old Kolb, for another 1.75 gal tank. Mounted it above the
engine. Gravity fed it into the two bottom tanks with a single valve
when required. Later, Old Kolb had a 6 gal tank manufactured to fit
the same space under the knees as the two go kart tanks. I got one
and continued to use the 1.75 gal tank behind me for a reserve.
Started out building the Firestar knowing I needed more than 5 gal
fuel. Bought a Ken Brock seat tank. Advertised as 9 gal. Real world
capacity was more like 8 gal. The normal 5 gal tank in the rear was
my reserve tank. I'd fly 2 hours off the clock hit a single valve and
gravity feed the 5 gal tank into the 8 gal seat tank. Worked great,
most of the time. Did, on a couple occassions, forget to turn on
reserve tank at the end of two hours. One forced landing to the
ground and one restart just prior to what would have been a
disasterous landing in the muck fields near Lake Okachobee, Florida.
Mechanically, both US and FS fuel systems worked great. However, the
seat tank took up a lot of cockpit space. After putting the FS on its
back in a cotton field, after an engine out, with fuel running down my
neck into my helmet, I decided it was time to put an overboard fuel
vent in the seat tank. Sealed up the vented cap with silicone seal,
plumbed the top of the tank for a barbed fitting, ran a vent line down
through the bottom of the fuselage.
November 1987, cross country flight from Titus, AL, to Miami, FL,
engine failure over Sebring, FL. Landed on foot ball field at Sebring
Highschool. Discovered little ball of silicone seal had stopped up
valve in primer bulb. Last time I ever used silicone seal around any
fuel system.
Winter 1988-89, during a complete overhaul of the Firestar, built an
18 gal aluminum fuel tank. Mounted it in the area above and behind
the bulkhead. Solved my fuel capacity problem. Used the same system,
25 gal aluminum tank, in the MKIII. No fuel capacity problems there
either.
The one problem with my system of gravity feeding fuel from reserve to
main tank is remembering to turn that one little valve on. However, I
like that system, for its simplicity, much better than adding
additional plumbing/valves/pumps/etc.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: 503 fuel tank |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
You might want to do some re-shaping of your seat with Temperfoam. Worth
its' weight in gold, and there should be lots in the archives on it. I find
that extra lumbar support makes a huge difference for me. No.....not in
Vamoose - yet. :-) Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles & Meredith Blackwell" <wozani@optonline.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: 503 fuel tank
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles & Meredith Blackwell
> <wozani@optonline.net>
>
> "Another possible solution might be larger gas tanks
> for 503s. is anyone carring more than 10 gallons in a
> Firestar or Mark II?"
> John and other MKII fans: I've been flying with twin 6 gallon tanks,
> clearish plastic in the position of the originals. Can do about 4 hours
> cruising at roughly 60mph if I wanted to, but my back and butt decide it
> is enough by the time I've hit 3 hours, my longest flight. The 503 was
> rebuilt before I bought it and has 60 hours on it now. The DCDI is the
> original and I want to atleast replace the linkages this spring. So far,
> so good.
>
> Charlie, NJ MKII
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Monument Valley Pic |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Surfing the Nikon Talk Forum a minute ago, and ran across this panorama shot that
a guy had put together. I like the winter lighting, but not his little buddy
in the center of the pic. Anyway, thought folks might enjoy it. Take a look
at:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum1007&message11640517
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Pic |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Nope. Copying and pasting the URL didn't work out. To see the pic, you'll
need to go to the "Jump To" window where it says "News Discussion" and
scroll down to "Nikon Talk." On the Nikon Talk page, scroll down to
"Monument Valley Pic." Sorry guys, I thought the URL would go straight to
the picture. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Pic
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Surfing the Nikon Talk Forum a minute ago, and ran across this panorama
> shot that a guy had put together. I like the winter lighting, but not his
> little buddy in the center of the pic. Anyway, thought folks might enjoy
> it. Take a look at:
>
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum1007&message11640517
>
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Sport pilot papers? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Only in America can we have such freedom and then the buracrats take it
away. I have never seen a more convoluted legislative group of words as
this lsa document. I mean does it take a village to write a simple set
of rules how much did this thing cost and how in the world are they
going to inforce it?????? I thought this thing started out as an
extention to far 103 and all some of us were asing for was a few more
pounds to make our birds more safe. Seems that 103 has been working.
So now I can fly cubs and air knockers with my ppl with out a medical?
Can I still fly my ultrastar or do I have to n number it. How in the
world are they going to train and certify all these pilots?
Just some random thoughts
Srglink
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Smith
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport pilot papers?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> Hi Kirk and all,
>
> A pilot with a PPL or higher certificate is not required to fly with
his
> pilot logbook with him.
Thanks John,
That seems odd though. Not having proof of BFR with you would seem to
be
the same as not having proof of PPL or drivers license with you. Not
supposed to make sense I guess. ;o)
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Sport pilot papers? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Kirk and All,
You are right about the FARs not making sense some times.
The following is an excerpt from FAR:
61.51 Pilot logbooks.
(a)....
(b)....
(c)....
(d)....
(e)....
(f)....
(g)....
(h)....
(i) Presentation of required documents. (1) Persons must present their pilot
certificate, medical certificate, logbook, or any other record required by
this part for inspection upon a reasonable request by
(i) The Administrator;
(ii) An authorized representative from the National Transportation Safety
Board; or
(iii) Any Federal, State, or local law enforcement officer.
(2) A student pilot must carry the following items in the aircraft on all
solo cross-country flights as evidence of the required authorized instructor
clearances and endorsements
(i) Pilot logbook;
(ii) Student pilot certificate; and
(iii) Any other record required by this section.
(3) A sport pilot must carry his or her logbook or other evidence of
required authorized instructor endorsements on all flights.
(4) A recreational pilot must carry his or her logbook with the required
authorized instructor endorsements on all solo flights
(i) That exceed 50 nautical miles from the airport at which training was
received;
(ii) Within airspace that requires communication with air traffic control;
(iii) Conducted between sunset and sunrise; or
(iv) In an aircraft for which the pilot does not hold an appropriate
category or class rating.
(5) A flight instructor with a sport pilot rating must carry his or her
logbook or other evidence of required authorized instructor endorsements on
all flights when providing flight training.
The FAA has ruled in several cases that if it isn't stated as required to be
carried, then the "upon a reasonable request by" in the first paragraph
could be a copy of the requested document or entry mailed to the requesting
authority within a stated amount of time.
Remember that the aviation industry is one of the few that are left up to do
most of the policing ourselves. Don't make it any harder on us than what is
required.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
CFI, CFII, ASEL, AMEL
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 708 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
do not archive
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| Subject: | Sport pilot papers? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Kirk and All,
I forgot to add in my last post that FAR:
61.3 Requirement for certificates, ratings, and authorizations.
(a) Pilot certificate. A person may not act as pilot in command or in any
other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember of a civil aircraft of
U.S. registry, unless that person
(1) Has a valid pilot certificate or special purpose pilot authorization
issued under this part in that person's physical possession or readily
accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot
certificate or authorization. However, when the aircraft is operated within
a foreign country, a current pilot license issued by the country in which
the aircraft is operated may be used; and
(2) Has a photo identification that is in that person's physical possession
or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that
pilot certificate or authorization. The photo identification must be a:
(i) Valid driver's license issued by a State, the District of Columbia, or
territory or possession of the United States;
(ii) Government identification card issued by the Federal government, a
State, the District of Columbia, or a territory or possession of the United
States;
(iii) U.S. Armed Forces' identification card;
(iv) Official passport;
(v) Credential that authorizes unescorted access to a security
identification display area at an airport regulated under 49 CFR part 1542;
or
(vi) Other form of identification that the Administrator finds acceptable.
The photo ID also has to be with you.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 706 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Zenith CH701 Project
http://home.comcast.net/~stol_airplane
http://www.zenithair.com/bldrlist/profiles/stol_airplane
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| Subject: | Re: Motorgliders |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
Vann.....all
I learned to fly in glider and there is no doubt, that ASH-25 is a beautiful ship.
60: 1 (good grief!) that angle is dang near flat. Here in Texas in the
summer you'd never have to come down with a glide like that....cept to relieve
one's bladder.
The only thing 'good' about summer in Texas is the thermals. I have a 6 hour flight
in my logbook flying a 1-26 (22: 1 glide) I've always considered a mortorglider
to be the optimal flying machine but I've never liked the concept of
the retractable engine. The engine is often used for saves over hostile terrain
and I would want my engine readily available (as in NOT stowed away) at a
time like that. Of course, at over a hundred grand a copy for an ASH-25, I would
guess they have the retract/extend process pretty well perfected. That pricetag
pretty much puts a commercially built motorglider out of my reach but,
there are some interesting machines in the homebuilt category....the S2-a and
the Windrose being a couple of examples. I have the plans for a 13 meter Windrose
if anybody is interested. There is also a 15 meter wing plan available for
this ship.
Steve Kroll Mk-2 503 SCSI
(no archive)
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| Subject: | Re: Motorgliders |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Steve,
I have followed Jim Marske's efforts to develop flying wing sailplanes. My
wife purchased the Monarch plans as a birthday present many years ago. I
believe it could be redeveloped as a self launching ultralight vehicle.
Thirteen hp should get it off the ground and give it a reasonable climb rate
to the first thermal.
If you are interested, some of his efforts can be found at:
http://www.continuo.com/marske/
Also an interesting discussion about flying wing sailplanes can be found at:
http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Fauvel/archives/Ras_1101.pdf
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
do not archive
At 09:41 AM 12/31/04 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
>
>Vann.....all
>
>I learned to fly in glider and there is no doubt, that ASH-25 is a beautiful ship.
60: 1 (good grief!) that angle is dang near flat. Here in Texas in the
summer you'd never have to come down with a glide like that....cept to relieve
one's bladder.
>
>The only thing 'good' about summer in Texas is the thermals. I have a 6 hour
flight in my logbook flying a 1-26 (22: 1 glide) I've always considered a mortorglider
to be the optimal flying machine but I've never liked the concept of
the retractable engine. The engine is often used for saves over hostile terrain
and I would want my engine readily available (as in NOT stowed away) at a
time like that. Of course, at over a hundred grand a copy for an ASH-25, I would
guess they have the retract/extend process pretty well perfected. That pricetag
pretty much puts a commercially built motorglider out of my reach but,
there are some interesting machines in the homebuilt category....the S2-a and
the Windrose being a couple of examples. I have the plans for a 13 meter Windrose
if anybody is interested. There is also a 15 meter wing plan available
for this ship.
>
>Steve Kroll Mk-2 503 SCSI
>
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>
>
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> November 1987, cross country flight from Titus, AL, to Miami, FL,
> engine failure over Sebring, FL. Landed on foot ball field at Sebring
> Highschool. Discovered little ball of silicone seal had stopped up
> valve in primer bulb. Last time I ever used silicone seal around any
> fuel system.
Reminds me of an adventure I had with my Twinstar. On occasion it would
run real rough - surging. I checked everything without finding anything.
After the second time I decided to tear apart the fuel system. I too had a
smaller tank fitted to the big tanks and sealed all vents and the cap with
silicone. When I took off the cap I found this big silicone worm. I figure
that on occasion it would drift over to the vent hole or fuel line and
partially plug it. I won't use silicone inside a tank again.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Kirk and All,
>
> You are right about the FARs not making sense some times.
>
> The following is an excerpt from FAR:
>
> Remember that the aviation industry is one of the few that are left up to
do
> most of the policing ourselves. Don't make it any harder on us than what
is
> required.
I can only speak for myself and I'm trying to make it as simple as I can by
knowing exactly what is required. It seems obvious to me that if I fly a LSA
as a Sport pilot, I should have a PPL, BFR, and Drivers license on me. The
aircraft should have the required documentation also. Kirk
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
I just finished viewing my 2nd copy of sportplane video magazine. I highly recommend this to everyone. If interested go to www.sportplanevm.com We need to get some Kolb's on a program!
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Sean Caranna" <VP2Flyer@cfl.rr.com>
I've started a new aircraft homebuilding forum at http://www.WingsForum.com
"They" say that a picture is worth a thousand words. The ability to attach
spreadsheets, documents, and CAD files can speak volumes.
I am not asking anyone to leave this list. I'm just offering an additional
resource that will offer easily accessible photo and data file content
intergraded with the message threads. http://www.wingsforum.com also has
form based email and private messaging that will nonpublic communications
while protecting your email address from SPAM email harvesters.
http://www.WingsForum.com was created because the email based groups just
can't compete with the forum format for organization of topics, searching
information already covered by a group, and relevancy of information
presented. I can't tell you how many HOURS of my life have been wasted
scrolling through off topic threads and information irrelevant to my search
on Yahoo and MSN groups. Lets face it, if you are looking for info on your
spar why should you need to scroll through 30 email post on firewalls 5
about rudders and 2 about nothing at all?
At http://www.WingsForum.com you will find topics well organized, pictures
and relevant files directly attached to their post, private messaging, and
more all on one site. Forum membership is, and will always be, FREE. Try
in out, it cost nothing, and you just might like it. If you don't like it
just let me know how I can improve the site.
Email Digest are available for those who prefer them. You can customize
them for what forums you want to watch, if you want a short excerpt or full
messages of up to 36,000 characters, and what time of day they will be
delivered to you. Users just click the Digest link at the top of the page
once logged in to enable them.
Thanks for your consideration,
Sean C. Caranna
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