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1. 05:45 AM - Re: Fuel Feed (John Jung)
2. 05:46 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/31/04 (PaulServaty@aol.com)
3. 06:18 AM - Fuel Transfer (John Hauck)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: HKS (John Jung)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: HKS (John Hauck)
6. 08:46 AM - Re: HKS (Steve Garvelink)
7. 09:31 AM - Re: New Kolb forum (John Hauck)
8. 09:49 AM - Re: New Kolb forum (Sean Caranna)
9. 10:13 AM - Re: New Kolb forum (Rusty)
10. 12:30 PM - Re: New Forum/ Not So NEW (Mike Pierzina)
11. 12:40 PM - Re: Motorgliders (Steve Kroll)
12. 01:08 PM - Re: Motorgliders (John Hauck)
13. 11:52 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Ed and Group,
My first ultralight, an Eagle XL, had only a 4 gallon
tank up high on the root tube. In order to fly
cross-country, I added an unvented seat tank, and let
the original tank drain into it. I used no valves, and
the original pump took gas from the seat tank. It work
good, and got me to Oshkosh and back, when winds would
have prevented me from doing so on only 4 gallons.
When I didn't need the extra gas, I just filled the
seat tank, and let it vent through the top tank.
This is very similar to the set-up in my Firestar II,
except both tanks are at the same level. The tank that
I pump from is vented trough the second tank, so that
it draws all the gas out of it before starting to
empty. It's a simple setup that has worked perfectly
for 150 hours.
John Jung
Firestar II
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 12/31/04 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: PaulServaty@aol.com
1-1-05
Time:0745EST
From: Paul _Servaty@AOL.com_ (mailto:Servaty@AOL.com)
Subj. Aux Fuel Tank
For long distance flights I add a 5 gal. fuel tank purchased from
Wal-Mart for about $5 2yrs ago. Unavailble now as everything "safety" made. Using
light cargo straps I suspend it behind my sling seat using the eng.mount tube
for support. It is front of my main tank which is a 6gal. boat waste tank.
I hand pump fuel with a squeeze bulb while flying.
Good exercise-no way of main draining into aux. & no electrics. Simple &
safe.I now have approx. 130 to 180 mile range with fuel to spare. I mounted a
small rear-view mirror facing aft to moniter fuel level in main tank.
It takes 5 min. to install & 1 min. to remove aux. tank & then have the
tank to carry for purchasing more fuel. The aux fuel tank makes you lean
forward in the seat and have the stick all the way back on take-off. I have about
30 flights doing this & leave it out for local flights.
Hope this helps
FLY SAFE HAPPY NEW YEAR
Paul "OUTLAW" Servaty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I hand pump fuel with a squeeze bulb while flying.
> Good exercise-no way of main draining into aux. & no electrics. >
> Paul "OUTLAW" Servaty
Good Morning Paul/All:
Happy New Year everyone!
Man, that is a lot of squeezing.
I used a Facet Electronic Fuel Pump in my Firestar, powered with Rotax 447,
no battery installed. Wired it right in to the regulator/rectifier, through
a toggle switch. Worked great.
The pump is very light and reliable. A flip of the switch beats all that
exercise to transfer 5 gal of fuel.
Take care,
john h
titus, alabama
MKIII/912ULS
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Vann and Group,
I have had an interest in the HKS, and have questioned
pilots about fuel burn, etc. The reports that I've
gotten are very good, but they are not from Kolbs.
Even 503's in Challengers have significantly better
fuel burn than Kolbs. Also, 912's and Jabiru's burn a
lot of gas in Kolbs when the speeds are up. So, I
wonder how much of our fuel burn problems are just
part of the Kolb design, and not caused by the engine.
My 503 has burned as little as 2 gph at 45 mph, so
503's on Kolbs can be efficient when speeds are right.
Plus, I was reminded of my other problem with cross
countries. Even if my new seat allows me to
comfortably run out the gas tanks, my bladder won't.
And I don't even drink coffee!
As far as putting an HKS on a Firestar, I would do it
if I didn't already have a good 503, and they didn't
cost so much. To spend more money, I feel that it
needs to be justified, and I have my doubts about
that.
John Jung
Firestar II 503
Surprise, AZ
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Also, 912's and Jabiru's burn a
> lot of gas in Kolbs when the speeds are up. > John Jung
Hi John J/Gang"
Mounted in my MKIII, the 912 burned 4 gph at 5,000 rpm producing 85 mph.
My 912ULS burns 5 gph at 5,000 rpm producing 85 mph.
The 582 burned 5.0 to 5.5 gph at 5,800 rpm producing 85 mph.
Course there was significant difference in climb performance, but can not
remember what it was without digging out old log books and notes. Also, the
above comparison indicates my MKIII is an 85 mph cruise speed airplane.
My Firestar, powered with point ign 447 burned 3.5 to 3.75 gph at 5,800 rpm.
If I remember correctly, that produced about 70 mph. Again, I'd have to dig
out log books to confirm, and I am not at home.
The other outstanding attributes of our Kolb aircraft far outweigh less than
desireable fuel burn.
Hard to beat a 912 for performance, relilability and economy of fuel burn.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Guys you just can not get around front plate area.. Kolbs have a lot of
drag at higher speeds. If you want great numbers look up Lafayette
sportsters. They do 175 to 200 miles per hour on the 912 and the same
burn. But you wont fly them to Alaska and see the bush like Mr Hauck.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Also, 912's and Jabiru's burn a
> lot of gas in Kolbs when the speeds are up. > John Jung
Hi John J/Gang"
Mounted in my MKIII, the 912 burned 4 gph at 5,000 rpm producing 85 mph.
My 912ULS burns 5 gph at 5,000 rpm producing 85 mph.
The 582 burned 5.0 to 5.5 gph at 5,800 rpm producing 85 mph.
Course there was significant difference in climb performance, but can
not
remember what it was without digging out old log books and notes. Also,
the
above comparison indicates my MKIII is an 85 mph cruise speed airplane.
My Firestar, powered with point ign 447 burned 3.5 to 3.75 gph at 5,800
rpm.
If I remember correctly, that produced about 70 mph. Again, I'd have to
dig
out log books to confirm, and I am not at home.
The other outstanding attributes of our Kolb aircraft far outweigh less
than
desireable fuel burn.
Hard to beat a 912 for performance, relilability and economy of fuel
burn.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: New Kolb forum |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
I can't tell you how many HOURS of my life have been wasted
| scrolling through off topic threads and information irrelevant to my
search
| on Yahoo and MSN groups.
|
| At http://www.WingsForum.com you will find topics well organized,
pictures
| and relevant files directly attached to their post, private
messaging, and
| more all on one site. Forum membership is, and will always be,
FREE. Try
| in out, it cost nothing, and you just might like it. If you don't
like it
| just let me know how I can improve the site.
| Thanks for your consideration,
|
| Sean C. Caranna
Hi Sean/Gang:
I am not asking you to leave your List either. However, the Kolb
Builders List is the best on the internet. Most of us have been on
this particular List many years. I don't have time for two Lists, so
I stick to the best.
Our List is a little cluttered, archives take a little work to get
info, but if that fails, all one has to do is ask for the info on the
List and they get it. I checked out yours. It was neat, orderly,
quick, and contained no info or members.
Over the years several folks have tried the same ploy you are using
and failed............
Venting my personal feelings again,
john h
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: New Kolb forum |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Sean Caranna" <VP2Flyer@cfl.rr.com>
As I said before, I'm not suggesting that anyone leave matronics, it's a
good list. I just want to provide a service that will add some
functionality. I think the ability to attach photos, spreadsheets, and PDF
files that relate to the kolb will be helpful to many users. The main
problem I have with email based list is that they are highly targeted by
spammers to harvest email addresses. All post in the archives include the
sender's email address.
Happy New Year!
Sean C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Fw: Kolb-List: New Kolb forum
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Kolb forum
>
>
> my
> so
> the
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Kolb forum
> Sean,
> Not sure what your search problems were for the Kolb list - it's not Yahoo
> or MSN operated. Unlike the others, Matronics archives all the post not
> so marked otherwise. This is why it is so important for users to update a
> message's subject field to relate to the actual topic being discussed.
> Don't see where that will change. (If your willing to make a contribution
> to the list operator, he'll even send you a CD of the archives of all the
> list he host.) I subscribe to several of the list hosted by Matronics
> thus support it. Only value I see you might add would be if someone needs
> a place quickly post a photo for other to view. Other than that I think
> your effect adds more background noise.
> Just my opinion,
> jerb
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
However, the Kolb Builders List is the best on the internet. Most of us
have been on
this particular List many years.
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This is all true John, but it's the ONLY list, which explains why it's
"best". Matt runs an excellent list, but in my opinion, his list format is
way behind the times. Being stuck with plain text, and no attachments is
almost intolerable by today's standards. Of course there are downsides to
allowing attachments to email, particularly for those folks who are stuck
with only dial-up connections.
The solution in my opinion is the forum format, which allows you to read
only what you want, and do it easily from any computer you happen to be
sitting at. Unfortunately, it will take quite some time for a new list, or
forum to get up to speed, especially when there's no rotary engine section
:-)
Cheers,
Rusty (there's at least one member now)
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New Forum/ Not So NEW |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hi Guys,
I looked at that so called "New" forum....It looks identical to the forum
listed here....,
http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com
Which I browse from time to time ....but it is a VERY STAGNENT site...
Where the Matronics site is a "Daily FIX"
OH, buy the way...this site CAN post pictures....Sign up for the Tailwind list....(
not the digest ) They have voted to have Matt "OK" attachments , I like
it , and I'm on SLOW dial up (33.6 but it's FREE from the University of MN)
I tried to get the guys to vote to have Matt change it , but most said NO.....
So you have to learn how to give your picture a URL so it can be brought up
"off site"
Hey, Mr Bean , Saw your article...Nice job....although you probly "gave" more
info than you "recieved" (Thanks)
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
PS that other site...There are things "posted" For Sale , but their SOLD and
the message can't be deleted...so you wasted yer time...
Do not archive
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: Motorgliders |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
Jack...everybody,
I have looked at Jim Marske's birds too. My only concern about flying wing designs
has always been pitch sensitivity. I don't have a lot to base that concern
on, having only flown tailed designs, but the proof would be in the pudding.
So far I have not seen any of his designs in the flesh but the Monarch looks
interesting. Another concept that appeals to me is the (very) ultralight glider
designs like the Goat. At 140lbs, it would be easily towable by a Mk2.
Not much in the way of glide ratio but at it's 140 lb weight, would be easy to
keep aloft in summer thermals and the build is very similar to any Kolb design.
The late Jim Maupin, designer of the Windrose motorglider, also designed a superlight
ship called the Carbon Dragon. With claimed empty weights of 110 lbs,
this is another ship that could be launched by towing with a Kolb. This ship
also has a relatively decent glide ratio (26: 1) but requires some rather high
tech building skills with the use of carbon fiber in the construction.
The Windrose , on the other hand, uses fairly conventional wood bulkhead and longeron
building methods with the exception of the wing itself, which is high density
foam core blocks templated on each end of the block and cut with a hot
wire to the profile. The blocks are then glued together making for a highly accurate
wing profile which is then covered with glass much like a surfboard.
Launch power is provided by a Rotax 503 mounted inverted and in the pusher config.
within the fuselage driving a tiny (32 inch) prop direct. It would be a
relief to the ears to shut this puppy off when reaching the first thermal but,
as in almost any design, there are compromises. The 15 meter version is capable
of mid- 30's glide ratio powered down which would take some of the sting out
of the ear-busting powered launch. It's an odd looking ship compared to conventional
glass ships but the beauty comes in it's functionality.
Steve Kroll Mk2 503 SCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Motorgliders |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| The late Jim Maupin, designer of the Windrose motorglider,
| The Windrose , on the other hand, uses fairly conventional wood
bulkhead and longeron building methods
| Steve Kroll
Hi All:
Tim Warlick and I made a glider out of my MKIII the other day. Didn't
do that good a job gliding, but it got us to the spot we want to touch
down at every time, most times without adding power.
Tim came up to get some time in my MKIII so he can go back down to
Mobile and grease his BMW powered MKIII in every landing.
We did all kinds of landings, with flaps, without them, fast
approach - 80 mph, slow approach (for me) - 50 mph. We even deployed
full flaps at 80 mph and did not fall out of the sky, not until I
pushed the nose over a little.
Unfortunately, I did not have the left stick installed so Tim did not
get any stick time. However, we worked on getting him a good site
picture of how it was going to look when he landed his MKIII and a
good feel for what the airplane was going to do and when the best time
to do it.
BTW We were stalling at 35 mph indicated with full flaps at altitude
and 30 mph in ground effect. Not bad for a fat bird without those
little things, vortex generators, on the wings.
I also demonstrated the MKIII's ability to climb at 30 mph indicated,
wing trying to stall at an extreme angle, yet continuing to climb at
1,300 fpm, two big guys up and 15 gals fuel.
For the sail plane enthusiast on the Kolb List, might be a good idea
to add, you know, DO NOT ARCHIVE, at the bottom of your posts unless
you think the info needs to go into the Kolb List Archives. Then
don't add the comment.
We all get away from the very central guide lines set down by Matt
Dralle now and then. That's why we came up with the DO NOT ARCHIVE
thing.
Not trying to be the List Cop, just trying to help..............
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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