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1. 07:49 AM - egt help (WADE LAWICKI)
2. 01:08 PM - Re: Motorgliders (Steve Kroll)
3. 02:30 PM - Alternative Engine Considerations (Steve Kroll)
4. 02:53 PM - Re: Motorgliders (John Hauck)
5. 03:39 PM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (Don Gherardini)
6. 04:12 PM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (Kirk Smith)
7. 04:44 PM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (ray anderson)
8. 05:16 PM - Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic? (dama)
9. 05:56 PM - Rotax Mechanic (Cat36Fly@aol.com)
10. 06:06 PM - Re: Rotax Mechanic (dama)
11. 06:16 PM - Re: Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic? (jerb)
12. 06:37 PM - Re: Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic? (dama)
13. 06:49 PM - Marvels Mystery Oil (Timandjan@aol.com)
14. 07:25 PM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (Jack & Louise Hart)
15. 07:50 PM - Re: Fuel Feed & Auxiliary Tanks (Richard Swiderwski)
16. 08:34 PM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (Richard Swiderwski)
17. 08:41 PM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (John Hauck)
18. 10:00 PM - Re: egt help (Denny Rowe)
19. 11:45 PM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (Larry Bourne)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI <wlawicki@yahoo.com>
group,
need egt help,i have a fs 2 503 dcdi egts wont work with engine running. tested
gauge-ok, tested each sender-ok,removed senders and tested whole system with
propane torch,motor off-OK. re-roughted all leads as far away from ignition
as i could but, as soon as i start motor nothing works? any ideas? also, need
a good a good preflight checklist for fs 2.
do not archive
wade
fs 2 #1030
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Subject: | Re: Motorgliders |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
John, everybody....
Sometimes I do just forget the "do not archive" addition but a lot of times I agonize
over the decision as to if the information I am sharing is worth archiving.
My last post was one of those decisions. I suppose Matt can make that decision
himself....assuming he reads all this stuff.
While it's true, this list is about Kolb aircraft, we're all pilots and some of
us are experimenters with other types of flying. For some of us, the building
experience and the discussion of different design philosophy and methods is
a huge part of the whole experience. Whether or not it is valuable information
to the list as a whole or anybody looking to the archives is subject to individual
interpretation.
I've re-read the rules and I've subjected my wife to this discussion and she agrees
with you to keep it "terse" and "pithy" and strictly on the "Kolb" subject.
That ain't me so I'll refrain from archiving and hope that works for everybody.
Thanks for pointing it out.
Steve Kroll Mk2 SCSI
(do not archive)
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Subject: | Alternative Engine Considerations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
Charlie, Jack, Ed...et al
We've been talking about more power and more 'reliable' power for the Firestar,
Mk2, Firestar2 and such. But I wonder if anybody has considered "less" power
to be an option in order to gain the dependability , smaller fuel burn, and other
advantages of the 4 cycles? I am now considering in particular the half
VW conversions. One of the manufacturers of VW kit conversions offers a 38hp
model. Considering I only have 46 with my 503 SCSI, that's not a huge drop and
I expect the only performance change might be the climb performance and short-field
capabilities we now enjoy with our Kolbs. As tough as that might be
to give up, the idea of flying at 3000rpm with an engine whose parts are readily
available and relatively (to Rotax) inexpensive is appealing.
I'm curious if anybody is flying a Kolb using a half-VW now and what their exprience
is with it.
The engines I am referring to are at http://www.greatplainsas.com/pg39.html for those who might be interested in exploring this option. I fly with a bunch of 65hp Cub jockeys whose climb is leisurely compared to my Kolb but they don't seem to mind and their engines run continuously(and quietly) hour after hour without a hiccup. The engines I'm talking about are U-build-it complete kits and are less than half the price and run at less than half the RPM of the HKS so it's possible to run without a reduction drive saving some weight and complexity.
Steve Kroll 503 SCSI
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Subject: | Re: Motorgliders |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
discussion and she agrees with you to keep it "terse" and "pithy" and
strictly on the "Kolb" subject. That ain't me so I'll refrain from
archiving and hope that works for everybody. Thanks for pointing it
out.
| Steve Kroll Mk2 SCSI
Hi Steve K/Gang:
Wasn't pointing the finger at anyone in particular. If anything,
pointing out that I am guilty of the same thing. Sometimes I forget.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Alternative Engine Considerations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Steve,
It has been my thoughts on the 1/2 VW's that they offer their 38 horses at
to high an rpm to be used with any good prop choices. 3400 rpms on the hub
makes for a terribly small prop. For our kolbs...this does not seem a good
choice. I know that the few 1/2 vws I have seen around here on N-3 cubs have
what seems barely enough power to get airborn and barely enough to stay
there. I always thought that if someone would develop a redrive for the 1/2
VW engine, it would make it a viable powerplant for some light birds, if the
weight doesnt go up to far on an already heavy (for the power) engine.
Just like most find with the full VW engine, they need a redrive to
work well on a 60 to 80 mph airplane.
Well...at least thats what I think.....could be wrong too!!!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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Subject: | Re: Alternative Engine Considerations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Here's an engine I'd love to try on a Mark 3 if I had lots of money to pizz
away. The 75hp 4 cylinder one. http://www.moraviation.com/
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Alternative Engine Considerations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
For what it's worth. I had one of Morrie Hummell's 1/2 V.W.s on my heavy
MiniMax (licensed) and it performed beautifully with never a gasp. 1-1/2 - 2
gals.per hour. I have thought long and hard about one for my Ultra Star but it
will require a redrive for a longer prop and slightly lower RPM. Over all I
rate it as a most reliable and economical power plant with no faults if properly
attended to like any aircraft engine. I got better performance from my Mini
Max with it than most got with the small Rotax.
Some of you mechanical genius's out there design a proper redrive and sell
a lot of them.
DO NOT ARCHIVE Ray
Don Gherardini <donghe@one-eleven.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini"
Steve,
It has been my thoughts on the 1/2 VW's that they offer their 38 horses at
to high an rpm to be used with any good prop choices. 3400 rpms on the hub
makes for a terribly small prop. For our kolbs...this does not seem a good
choice. I know that the few 1/2 vws I have seen around here on N-3 cubs have
what seems barely enough power to get airborn and barely enough to stay
there. I always thought that if someone would develop a redrive for the 1/2
VW engine, it would make it a viable powerplant for some light birds, if the
weight doesnt go up to far on an already heavy (for the power) engine.
Just like most find with the full VW engine, they need a redrive to
work well on a 60 to 80 mph airplane.
Well...at least thats what I think.....could be wrong too!!!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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Subject: | Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
I am approaching 250 hours on my Firestar II and the 503 has never been
opened up. I don't want to mess with a good thing but don't want to push it
either. It's 4+ years old and has had only spark plugs, clean air filters,
and precisely mixed oil with Marvels Mystery Oil for maintenance. I am
thinking that a decarbon with new case seals may take it to 400 or 500
hours. I know that there are many opinions on this subject that point to
just flying on but I prefer to invest in reliability, especially over the
trees of Georgia. I will gladly remove it and ship as it would give an
opportunity to do a really good inspection on the airframe. Who has a good
reputation?
Thanks,
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
All of the guys at my airport use Lockwood Aviation, Sebring Fla. One guy
trucked his 912 down and stayed to watch them do his overhaul and came back home
with it within a week.
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Subject: | Re: Rotax Mechanic |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
I've thought about Lockwood. They are only one state down. I would love to
see it torn down also...
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
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From: <Cat36Fly@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax Mechanic
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cat36Fly@aol.com
>
> All of the guys at my airport use Lockwood Aviation, Sebring Fla. One guy
> trucked his 912 down and stayed to watch them do his overhaul and came
back home
> with it within a week.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Contact Tom Olenik at http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
Tom has had a very high customer satisfaction for the work he has done in
the past. Might give him a call see what he can do for you.
jerb
At 08:15 PM 1/2/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
>
>I am approaching 250 hours on my Firestar II and the 503 has never been
>opened up. I don't want to mess with a good thing but don't want to push it
>either. It's 4+ years old and has had only spark plugs, clean air filters,
>and precisely mixed oil with Marvels Mystery Oil for maintenance. I am
>thinking that a decarbon with new case seals may take it to 400 or 500
>hours. I know that there are many opinions on this subject that point to
>just flying on but I prefer to invest in reliability, especially over the
>trees of Georgia. I will gladly remove it and ship as it would give an
>opportunity to do a really good inspection on the airframe. Who has a good
>reputation?
>Thanks,
>Kip
>
>http://www.springeraviation.net/
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
I recieved an email from someone at Olenik that said he was not doing Rotax
work anymore. Go figure...
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Contact Tom Olenik at http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
> Tom has had a very high customer satisfaction for the work he has done in
> the past. Might give him a call see what he can do for you.
> jerb
>
>
> At 08:15 PM 1/2/05 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
> >
> >I am approaching 250 hours on my Firestar II and the 503 has never been
> >opened up. I don't want to mess with a good thing but don't want to push
it
> >either. It's 4+ years old and has had only spark plugs, clean air
filters,
> >and precisely mixed oil with Marvels Mystery Oil for maintenance. I am
> >thinking that a decarbon with new case seals may take it to 400 or 500
> >hours. I know that there are many opinions on this subject that point to
> >just flying on but I prefer to invest in reliability, especially over the
> >trees of Georgia. I will gladly remove it and ship as it would give an
> >opportunity to do a really good inspection on the airframe. Who has a
good
> >reputation?
> >Thanks,
> >Kip
> >
> >http://www.springeraviation.net/
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Marvels Mystery Oil |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
In a message dated 1/2/05 9:17:26 PM, ulflyer@verizon.net writes:
> >I am approaching 250 hours on my Firestar II and the 503 has never been
> >opened up. I don't want to mess with a good thing but don't want to push it
> >either. It's 4+ years old and has had only spark plugs, clean air filters,
> >and precisely mixed oil with Marvels Mystery Oil for maintenance. I am
> >thinking that a decarbon with new case seals may take it to 400 or 500
> >hours. I know that there are many opinions on this subject that point to
> >just flying on but I prefer to invest in reliability, especially over the
> >trees of Georgia. I will gladly remove it and ship as it would give an
> >opportunity to do a really good inspection on the airframe. Who has a good
> >reputation?
> >Thanks,
> >Kip
>
You have been using marvels in the 503, are you using oil injection or
premixed. I use it regularly (marvels) in my Piper Cub Continetal A65 but never
in
my Rotax 503 on the Firestar 2, I have 220 hours with the oil injection and
they are trouble free hours.
I have always been told to not use anything that mixes with the oil in the 2
cycle motors except the oil.
The MArvels is a godsend with the aircraft engines, what is everyones
experience with with Rotaxes?
Thanks
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Subject: | Re: Alternative Engine Considerations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 02:29 PM 1/2/05 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
>
>Charlie, Jack, Ed...et al
>
>We've been talking about more power and more 'reliable' power for the Firestar,
Mk2, Firestar2 and such. But I wonder if anybody has considered "less" power
to be an option in order to gain the dependability , smaller fuel burn, and
other advantages of the 4 cycles? I am now considering in particular the half
VW conversions. One of the manufacturers of VW kit conversions offers a 38hp
model. Considering I only have 46 with my 503 SCSI, that's not a huge drop
and I expect the only performance change might be the climb performance and short-field
capabilities we now enjoy with our Kolbs. As tough as that might be
to give up, the idea of flying at 3000rpm with an engine whose parts are readily
available and relatively (to Rotax) inexpensive is appealing.
>I'm curious if anybody is flying a Kolb using a half-VW now and what their exprience
is with it.
Steve,
I believe that a direct drive 1/2 Volkswagen engine would do well on a
FireFly. Currently, I am using a three blade 54 inch diameter IVO on the
Victor 1+. Previously, I ran a two blade of the same diameter. My best
climb rate runs from 300 to 500 fpm depending on air temperature. I have to
be careful when the air temperature exceeds 80 degrees. When this happens I
have to pick up help from thermals around the airport to gain better climb
rates. Once one gets to altitude and cooler air there is no problem. The
FireFly will cruise well at 55 to 60 mph at just over two gph.
I am using the same propeller diameter that is used on many 1/2 Volkswagen
engines. Looking at Hummel Engine site, a 37 hp engine weighs 85 pounds.
Going from an IVO to a Tennessee wood propeller would save several pounds.
Also if one wanted to bust loose for aluminum NiCom cylinders, you could save
another six pounds. This would put the engine weight at 79 pounds.
Three 1/2 Volkswagen powered MiniMax fly into I02 on the weekends during the
summer. They come from some where up close to St. Louis. I have been impressed
by how easy they are to start and how quickly they can get off the ground.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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Subject: | Fuel Feed & Auxiliary Tanks |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Ed & Group,
John's Jungs post below saved me some writing. I used the same
technique on my Twinstar & SlingShot, it is a fail safe set up that has
served me well for years. On my UltraStar, I put a auxiliary tank above the
engine. My Ken Brok seat tank somehow kept the aux tank full, but I forgot
how I did that at the moment. I do remember that the Mikuni fuel pump drew
fuel from the seat tank & the aux tank had an overflow tube that drained
back into the 9 gal tank below & the aux tank fed the twin carbs by gravity
feed (I changed the float valves in the carbs to the gravity feed type.)
When the seat tank went dry, it no longer would fill the aux tank, & then
the aux tank then drained by gravity till empty. It was idiot proof & fail
safe. Previous to this installation, I went the route of valving &
eventually forgot to turn it & went on one of my 11 engine-out landings. By
the way, another one of those 11 engine outs was due to another experiment
using auxiliary tanks just as you described where the pump is drawing from
two tanks & one goes empty. Well in that configuration the pump did suck
air instead of fuel, and it was not at all intuitively obvious. In fact, I
was quite puzzled for awhile as to the cause, since it worked fine until I
made a long full throttle engine run, on a steep take off & banking to the
left.
I will not use a valve again, if there is another reasonable
alternative. I need the odds stacked in my favor, not against me. By the
way, to my knowledge, there is no RTV silicone available that is gas proof.
A few are slightly resistant, but all will eventually dissolve. We can
never use it where it comes in contact with gasoline or its vapor.
Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jung
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Feed
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Ed and Group,
My first ultralight, an Eagle XL, had only a 4 gallon
tank up high on the root tube. In order to fly
cross-country, I added an unvented seat tank, and let
the original tank drain into it. I used no valves, and
the original pump took gas from the seat tank. It work
good, and got me to Oshkosh and back, when winds would
have prevented me from doing so on only 4 gallons.
When I didn't need the extra gas, I just filled the
seat tank, and let it vent through the top tank.
This is very similar to the set-up in my Firestar II,
except both tanks are at the same level. The tank that
I pump from is vented trough the second tank, so that
it draws all the gas out of it before starting to
empty. It's a simple setup that has worked perfectly
for 150 hours.
John Jung
Firestar II
Surprise, AZ
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Subject: | Alternative Engine Considerations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
There are now several Kolbs successfully flying the 3-cyl 64hp GeoMetro
engine. 350lbs thrust, 2.2gph, 145lb with redrive. Yahoo groups has a few
forums about their aircraft application. Maybe someday when I can get back
to work on my turbo version, I'll have some real exciting numbers for you.
Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Gherardini
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engine Considerations
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Steve,
It has been my thoughts on the 1/2 VW's that they offer their 38 horses at
to high an rpm to be used with any good prop choices. 3400 rpms on the hub
makes for a terribly small prop. For our kolbs...this does not seem a good
choice. I know that the few 1/2 vws I have seen around here on N-3 cubs have
what seems barely enough power to get airborn and barely enough to stay
there. I always thought that if someone would develop a redrive for the 1/2
VW engine, it would make it a viable powerplant for some light birds, if the
weight doesnt go up to far on an already heavy (for the power) engine.
Just like most find with the full VW engine, they need a redrive to
work well on a 60 to 80 mph airplane.
Well...at least thats what I think.....could be wrong too!!!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Alternative Engine Considerations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
GeoMetro
| engine. 350lbs thrust, 2.2gph, 145lb with redrive. | Richard
Swiderski
Richard/Gang:
Model of Kolbs and performance results with the GeoMetro would be
very interesting.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "WADE LAWICKI" <wlawicki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: egt help
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI <wlawicki@yahoo.com>
>
> group,
> need egt help,i have a fs 2 503 dcdi egts wont work with engine
> running. tested gauge-ok, tested each sender-ok,removed senders and tested
> whole system with propane torch,motor off-OK. re-roughted all leads as far
> away from ignition as i could but, as soon as i start motor nothing works?
> any ideas? also, need a good a good preflight checklist for fs 2.
> do not archive
>
> wade
> fs 2 #1030
>
>
Wade,
Thats a weird one, I'm thinking it over and will drop a note if I think of
anything.
Let us know if you figure it out.
Denny Rowe, (scratching my head)
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Subject: | Re: Alternative Engine Considerations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, the Walter engines have a good reputation, but you get right back into
the same problem that Don brought up. Direct drive engines will work on a
Mk III, but an engine with re-drive works better. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engine Considerations
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Here's an engine I'd love to try on a Mark 3 if I had lots of money to
> pizz
> away. The 75hp 4 cylinder one. http://www.moraviation.com/
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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