---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/03/05: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:05 AM - Re: Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic? (bryan green) 2. 05:05 AM - Re: Marvels Mystery Oil (dama) 3. 06:36 AM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (snuffy@usol.com) 4. 06:36 AM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (robert bean) 5. 06:36 AM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (snuffy@usol.com) 6. 07:20 AM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (Richard Pike) 7. 07:54 AM - Re: Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic? (flykolb) 8. 08:01 AM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (jerb) 9. 08:01 AM - Re: Marvels Mystery Oil (jerb) 10. 08:23 AM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (John Hauck) 11. 08:47 AM - Re: egt help (herbgh@juno.com) 12. 09:44 AM - Re: Alternative Engine Considerations (Bob N.) 13. 10:07 AM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (dama) 14. 11:35 AM - Xtra/Jabiru (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd) 15. 05:20 PM - Re: egt help (George T. Alexander, Jr.) 16. 06:50 PM - Re: egt help (Earl & Mim Zimmerman) 17. 06:57 PM - Re: egt help (ul15rhb@juno.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:32 AM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic? --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green D & F Aviation Dwight Edmanson Goldsboro,NC 1-919-778-8816 >. I will gladly remove it and ship as it would give an >opportunity to do a really good inspection on the airframe. Who has a good >reputation? >Thanks, >Kip > >http://www.springeraviation.net/ > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:32 AM PST US From: "dama" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Marvels Mystery Oil --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" I almost did not mention MM Oil as there is all kinds of advice and opinions but my own experience will keep me running with it. When I had 150 hours I flew to Greenville, SC for a decarbon. The owner of the old Flightworld had his entire day blocked out for my motor and, after looking at it through the top and exhast said "there is no reason to clean this engine". Now, 100 hours later, the rings are still free. Something seems to be working... Pennzoil Air-cooled 50:1 by the way. Regards, Kip http://www.springeraviation.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: Marvels Mystery Oil > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com > > > In a message dated 1/2/05 9:17:26 PM, ulflyer@verizon.net writes: > > >I am approaching 250 hours on my Firestar II and the 503 has never been > > >opened up. I don't want to mess with a good thing but don't want to push it > > >either. It's 4+ years old and has had only spark plugs, clean air filters, > > >and precisely mixed oil with Marvels Mystery Oil for maintenance. I am > > >thinking that a decarbon with new case seals may take it to 400 or 500 > > >hours. I know that there are many opinions on this subject that point to > > >just flying on but I prefer to invest in reliability, especially over the > > >trees of Georgia. I will gladly remove it and ship as it would give an > > >opportunity to do a really good inspection on the airframe. Who has a good > > >reputation? > > >Thanks, > > >Kip > > > You have been using marvels in the 503, are you using oil injection or > premixed. I use it regularly (marvels) in my Piper Cub Continetal A65 but never in > my Rotax 503 on the Firestar 2, I have 220 hours with the oil injection and > they are trouble free hours. > > I have always been told to not use anything that mixes with the oil in the 2 > cycle motors except the oil. > > The MArvels is a godsend with the aircraft engines, what is everyones > experience with with Rotaxes? > > Thanks > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:30 AM PST US From: snuffy@usol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engine Considerations --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com > Yah, the Walter engines have a good reputation, but you get right back into > the same problem that Don brought up. Direct drive engines will work on a > Mk III, but an engine with re-drive works better. Lar. Yah but....the reason they need a redrive is because they spin too fast for the prop we need. The Walter don't. It spins like a LYc or Cont....in the mid 2000 rpm range. The direct drive does tear up some compost props however. I think it costs as much as a 912 though....:>( Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:30 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engine Considerations --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean On 2, Jan 2005, at 11:40 PM, John Hauck wrote: > Richard/Gang: > > Model of Kolbs and performance results with the GeoMetro would be > very interesting. Stay tuned for the coming summer. I intend to put some serious time on my MkIII "Feenix" . As of right now and the very little time I have aloft my strongest impression is delight at the instant start and perfect full range throttle response using an antique VW carb. The torque range - very strong from 3600 rpm up through 5000, gives a lot of room for choice. Although it could be used on a FSII, it would take careful measures to keep the installation weight pruned down. The biggest drawback is the amount of labor and brainwork required to get it up and running. Now maybe if I mix a little MMoil and Seafoam together?????/ -BB do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:36 AM PST US From: snuffy@usol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engine Considerations --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com > Richard/Gang: > > Model of Kolbs and performance results with the GeoMetro would be > very interesting. Bob Bean has one on his Mark 3. Don't know how well it is performing though. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:41 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engine Considerations --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Still in development is the engine from the Smart Car made by Mercedes Benz. (I would like flying with a MB 4 stroke!) http://www.fk-lightplanes.com/html/smart2projects.html No price yet, but the car is not very expensive. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:59 AM PST US From: "flykolb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" I have used Dwight and was very pleased. Jim Mark III Charlotte,NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anyone know a good Rotax Mecahnic? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green > > D & F Aviation > Dwight Edmanson > Goldsboro,NC > 1-919-778-8816 > > > >. I will gladly remove it and ship as it would give an > >opportunity to do a really good inspection on the airframe. Who has a good > >reputation? > >Thanks, > >Kip > > > >http://www.springeraviation.net/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:18 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engine Considerations --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb There rather heavy engines - the Raven package based upon a Suzuki with their redrive might be a better and more economical choice. jerb At 11:44 PM 1/2/05 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >Yah, the Walter engines have a good reputation, but you get right back into >the same problem that Don brought up. Direct drive engines will work on a >Mk III, but an engine with re-drive works better. Lar. >Do not Archive. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Building Kolb Mk III >N78LB Vamoose >www.gogittum.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kirk Smith" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engine Considerations > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > > > Here's an engine I'd love to try on a Mark 3 if I had lots of money to > > pizz > > away. The 75hp 4 cylinder one. http://www.moraviation.com/ > > > > Do not archive > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:53 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Marvels Mystery Oil --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Kip, How much MM oil are you adding per gallon of fuel. Thanks, jerb At 08:04 AM 1/3/05 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" > >I almost did not mention MM Oil as there is all kinds of advice and opinions >but my own experience will keep me running with it. When I had 150 hours I >flew to Greenville, SC for a decarbon. The owner of the old Flightworld had >his entire day blocked out for my motor and, after looking at it through the >top and exhast said "there is no reason to clean this engine". Now, 100 >hours later, the rings are still free. Something seems to be working... >Pennzoil Air-cooled 50:1 by the way. >Regards, >Kip > >http://www.springeraviation.net/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Subject: Kolb-List: Marvels Mystery Oil > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com > > > > > > In a message dated 1/2/05 9:17:26 PM, ulflyer@verizon.net writes: > > > >I am approaching 250 hours on my Firestar II and the 503 has never been > > > >opened up. I don't want to mess with a good thing but don't want to >push it > > > >either. It's 4+ years old and has had only spark plugs, clean air >filters, > > > >and precisely mixed oil with Marvels Mystery Oil for maintenance. I am > > > >thinking that a decarbon with new case seals may take it to 400 or 500 > > > >hours. I know that there are many opinions on this subject that point >to > > > >just flying on but I prefer to invest in reliability, especially over >the > > > >trees of Georgia. I will gladly remove it and ship as it would give an > > > >opportunity to do a really good inspection on the airframe. Who has a >good > > > >reputation? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Kip > > > > > You have been using marvels in the 503, are you using oil injection or > > premixed. I use it regularly (marvels) in my Piper Cub Continetal A65 but >never in > > my Rotax 503 on the Firestar 2, I have 220 hours with the oil injection >and > > they are trouble free hours. > > > > I have always been told to not use anything that mixes with the oil in the >2 > > cycle motors except the oil. > > > > The MArvels is a godsend with the aircraft engines, what is everyones > > experience with with Rotaxes? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:33 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Marvel Mystery Oil --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | Thanks, | jerb jerb/Gang: I have used MM oil for years in everything I own: diesel gas airplane truck boat tractors lawn mowers Normally, use what the directions on the container indicate: 1 qt to 80 to 100 gal. I end up using 8 oz per 25 gal in the 912ULS. Sometimes I double up on the amount of MM oil to really blow them out. Primarily use MM oil in fuel. However, to help clean up hydraulic lifters in my Nissan truck, and to do a clean up job on an old two cylinder JD tractor, I'll dump a qt in the crankcase, run a few hours prior to dumping and adding new oil and filter. I used MM oil exclusively in my fuel for the last flight to Alaska. Probably burned 98% 100LL and 2% auto fuel. The MM oil did as good a job or better than the Alcor TCP I used on the 2001 flight to scavenge lead from the 912ULS. It is much cheaper and less of a toxic hazard than the TCP. Also easy to buy at any Wal*Mart. I used MM oil in my Cuyuna ULII02 and Rotax 447, 582. I believe it helped keep the carbon soft and most of it blown out of the two strokes. Whether it works or not, it has a nice color and smells good. john h ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: egt help From: herbgh@juno.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com Test do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:24 AM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alternative Engine Considerations --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." Does anyone know specs (hp, torque, wt ) on the engines in small(er) hybrid cars? Bob N. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:34 AM PST US From: "dama" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Marvel Mystery Oil --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" Yeah, it's the sweet smell that keeps me a loyal (ab)user. I use what the bottle says. I think I use about 2 oz. per 5 gallons of gas... Kip http://www.springeraviation.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Marvel Mystery Oil > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" > > | How much MM oil are you adding per gallon of fuel. > > jerb/Gang: > > I have used MM oil for years in everything I own: > > diesel > gas > airplane > truck > boat > tractors > lawn mowers > > Normally, use what the directions on the container indicate: > > 1 qt to 80 to 100 gal. > > I end up using 8 oz per 25 gal in the 912ULS. > > Sometimes I double up on the amount of MM oil to really blow them out. > > Primarily use MM oil in fuel. However, to help clean up hydraulic > lifters in my Nissan truck, and to do a clean up job on an old two > cylinder JD tractor, I'll dump a qt in the crankcase, run a few hours > prior to dumping and adding new oil and filter. > > I used MM oil exclusively in my fuel for the last flight to Alaska. > Probably burned 98% 100LL and 2% auto fuel. The MM oil did as good a > job or better than the Alcor TCP I used on the 2001 flight to scavenge > lead from the 912ULS. It is much cheaper and less of a toxic hazard > than the TCP. Also easy to buy at any Wal*Mart. > > I used MM oil in my Cuyuna ULII02 and Rotax 447, 582. I believe it > helped keep the carbon soft and most of it blown out of the two > strokes. > > Whether it works or not, it has a nice color and smells good. > > john h > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:29 AM PST US From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" Subject: Kolb-List: Xtra/Jabiru --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" Gidday all, Just a quick update on the progress of our Xtra with a jab 2200 on top. we only have the wings to cover and paint now and she will be complete by the end of January (I hope). Today I ground run the engine for the first time and I am pleased to say that in 48 mins of running at 1200 rpm and the chocks under the wheels not once did the CHT's get near the maximum, so far so good, and boy it sure looks and sounds good. Will try and post some pics soon. Mike G-CDFA Xtra/Jab 2200 Silver Fern Microlights UK/European Kolb Distributor ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:14 PM PST US From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: egt help --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Wade: One possibility is vibration causing the instrument (gauge) to malfunction while engine is running. If you haven't, I would remove the gauge from where ever it is mounted; suspend it (in your hand/by a string/on a pillow) so that it doesn't pick up ANY vibration when the engine is running and see if you get a reading. It seems to me to be the most likely source of the problem. The odds that this is the case goes higher if you have dual egt circuits terminating in one instrument. George Alexander FS II DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Denny Rowe Subject: Re: Kolb-List: egt help --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- From: "WADE LAWICKI" Subject: Kolb-List: egt help > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI > > group, > need egt help,i have a fs 2 503 dcdi egts wont work with engine > running. tested gauge-ok, tested each sender-ok,removed senders and tested > whole system with propane torch,motor off-OK. re-roughted all leads as far > away from ignition as i could but, as soon as i start motor nothing works? > any ideas? also, need a good a good preflight checklist for fs 2. > do not archive > > wade > fs 2 #1030 > > Wade, Thats a weird one, I'm thinking it over and will drop a note if I think of anything. Let us know if you figure it out. Denny Rowe, (scratching my head) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:59 PM PST US From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: egt help --> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman WADE LAWICKI wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI > > group, > need egt help,i have a fs 2 503 dcdi egts wont work with engine running. tested gauge-ok, tested each sender-ok,removed senders and tested whole system with propane torch,motor off-OK. re-roughted all leads as far away from ignition as i could but, as soon as i start motor nothing works? any ideas? also, need a good a good preflight checklist for fs 2. > do not archive Wade, Is there any possibility that you have a ground problem and are getting voltage at the shield/ground side of the probe from the charging system?? Are there any other instruments that are not working right? ~ Earl -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:18 PM PST US From: "ul15rhb@juno.com" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: egt help --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" Wade, I agree with George, it's most likely a vibration problem although the instrument may be bad. I once had an EGT that went dead on takeoff and read fine when I throttled back to cruising speed. It was a bad sender. I changed it out and it has worked since then. Make sure all connections are soldered or well crimped. If you have solid wires, sometimes a wire can be broken inside the insulation and it's hard to detect by looking at it. Disconnect the EGT sender from the muffler and have someone put a propane torch on the sender probe while you move the EGT wires around. Watch for an intermittent reading on the EGT. Ralph Original Firestar 18 years flying it -- "George T. Alexander, Jr." wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Wade: One possibility is vibration causing the instrument (gauge) to malfunction while engine is running. If you haven't, I would remove the gauge from where ever it is mounted; suspend it (in your hand/by a string/on a pillow) so that it doesn't pick up ANY vibration when the engine is running and see if you get a reading. It seems to me to be the most likely source of the problem. The odds that this is the case goes higher if you have dual egt circuits terminating in one instrument. George Alexander FS II DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Denny Rowe Subject: Re: Kolb-List: egt help --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" ----- Original Message ----- From: "WADE LAWICKI" Subject: Kolb-List: egt help > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WADE LAWICKI > > group, > need egt help,i have a fs 2 503 dcdi egts wont work with engine > running. tested gauge-ok, tested each sender-ok,removed senders and tested > whole system with propane torch,motor off-OK. re-roughted all leads as far > away from ignition as i could but, as soon as i start motor nothing works? > any ideas? also, need a good a good preflight checklist for fs 2. > do not archive > > wade > fs 2 #1030 > > Wade, Thats a weird one, I'm thinking it over and will drop a note if I think of anything. Let us know if you figure it out. 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