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1. 08:19 AM - Re: Poor Man's plane.... (Dale Sellers)
2. 09:51 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
3. 10:56 AM - Re: Monument Valley (John Williamson)
4. 12:27 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Larry Bourne)
5. 12:58 PM - Re: Monument Valley (John Hauck)
6. 01:24 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Kirk Smith)
7. 02:18 PM - Monument Valley dates (kfackler)
8. 02:24 PM - Re: Monument Valley (George E. Thompson)
9. 02:51 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
10. 02:56 PM - January flight (John Jung)
11. 03:40 PM - Floor tabs MK3 (Rick Pearce)
12. 03:45 PM - Re: Monument Valley (John Hauck)
13. 06:02 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Larry Cottrell)
14. 06:15 PM - Re: Floor tabs MK3 (Richard Pike)
15. 06:40 PM - Re: Floor tabs MK3 (Kolbdriver)
16. 06:53 PM - Gross...!!! (Beauford)
17. 08:55 PM - Re: Gross...!!! (The Kuffels)
18. 11:22 PM - [ Gary R. Voigt ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
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| Subject: | Re: Poor Man's plane.... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Yea Steve, I'm interested in the gearbox. Contact me off-list about
details.
Thanks again,
Dale Sellers
Georgia Ultra
----- Original Message -----
From: <Flycrazy8@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Poor Man's plane....
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
>
> HiYa Dale
> Glad you made it thru your surgery and thru your Propeller dissection
> tooo... Just sorry your back to square one again on your reduction drive
> and
> propeller.... I have a extra used gear reduction that came off my
> Ultrastar that
> your welcome too if it will help you out any...ok
> I'm glad the Lord above is looking after you and me too.... PTL
>
> Steven
> South Geogia
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Kolbers,
I've made reservations for the 19th thru 23rd and I identified us as the
Kolb guys. The lady I talked to asked if she could send me a set of "rules"
to distribute and I of course agreed. She was talking about parking more so
than flying, but last year I told Wayland that I would get something
together so we would avoid doing something we ain't supposed to do because
we don't know about it. So she and I are going to formulate a set of
Operating Procedures for MV. (She's happy about this because she wants
brownie points with Wayland.) Now for the bad news. She told me that she's
received a letter from the tribe complaining about the ultralights using
their Monument Valley without paying. The fee is $5 per day per person.
OK, I don't have a problem with that, but I'm gonna wait 'till I get the
stuff from her and then get a contact at the tribe and see if I can arrange
some sort of a group rate. (See, I'm gonna get brownie points with her and
have her help me.) If you guys have any ideas, let me know.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
> Karen and I have made our reservations for the 19th - 22 nd.
> Larry, Or
> do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
AzDave,
Keep up the good work.
I don't have a problem giving something to the tribe for use of their
Valley.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
OK, I've made reservations for the 20th, 21st, 22nd. Arrive Friday
afternoon and leave Mon. morning. I'm afraid I DO have a problem with their
$5.00 fee, since they're already notching me $28.00 a night - which is quite
high - for the use of their campground. They're also going to be getting me
for food, souvenirs, etc. I realize we don't have a choice, and I will pay
it, but it doesn't mean I hafta like it. Grumbly ol' Lar.
Do not Archive.
P.S. Yesterday I saw one of those 4WD camper vans in town and it made me
think of Erich Weaver. Anyone heard from him ?? On my way home from
Florida last summer, I swung by Page, AZ and took the 1/2 day float trip
from Glen Canyon Dam to Lee's Ferry that Erich and his wife and daughter
pioneered for us. It was a terrific way to see the canyon, and very
reasonably priced. If those coming to the MV flyin can arrange for the
time, it's very worthwhile, as is the short side trip to Antelope Canyon, as
you can see on my Monument Valley 2004 webpage. Try it, you'll like it.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
> <pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I've made reservations for the 19th thru 23rd and I identified us as
> the
> Kolb guys. The lady I talked to asked if she could send me a set of
> "rules"
> to distribute and I of course agreed. She was talking about parking more
> so
> than flying, but last year I told Wayland that I would get something
> together so we would avoid doing something we ain't supposed to do because
> we don't know about it. So she and I are going to formulate a set of
> Operating Procedures for MV. (She's happy about this because she wants
> brownie points with Wayland.) Now for the bad news. She told me that
> she's
> received a letter from the tribe complaining about the ultralights using
> their Monument Valley without paying. The fee is $5 per day per person.
> OK, I don't have a problem with that, but I'm gonna wait 'till I get the
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
their
| Valley.
|
|
| John Williamson
John W/Gang:
I don't have a problem with paying my way either. Once they have our
money, they are less likely to complain about somebody scaring the
sheep or waking them from their nap. $5.00 a day is a cheap price to
pay for the freedom to fly the way they allow us to fly in "their"
valley. We are on the Navajo Indian Reservation.
Getting to know the folks that own and operate Gouldings was a big
plus for us last year. Maybe some one with a lot of imagination, or
otherwise, could come up with a plaque, certificate, or something to
identify us Kolbers, to present to the folks at Gouldings. Can't
remember his name right off and I have filed away his business card,
but you all MV'ers know who I am talking about.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> $5.00 fee, since they're already notching me $28.00 a night - which is
quite
> high - for the use of their campground.
They charge $5.00 to fly around in air that came from Californee in all
likelihood? Jeesh!
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Monument Valley dates |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
What are the dates of the of MV fly-in?
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
Dave, I plan on going , either up with you or driving myself in case you
want to go on to the "Ranch" from there. The question is can I sleep in your
B-- A--Motor home?
What do the Indians want? a fee for using there air space?
George
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
> <pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I've made reservations for the 19th thru 23rd and I identified us as
> the
> Kolb guys. The lady I talked to asked if she could send me a set of
> "rules"
> to distribute and I of course agreed. She was talking about parking more
> so
> than flying, but last year I told Wayland that I would get something
> together so we would avoid doing something we ain't supposed to do because
> we don't know about it. So she and I are going to formulate a set of
> Operating Procedures for MV. (She's happy about this because she wants
> brownie points with Wayland.) Now for the bad news. She told me that
> she's
> received a letter from the tribe complaining about the ultralights using
> their Monument Valley without paying. The fee is $5 per day per person.
> OK, I don't have a problem with that, but I'm gonna wait 'till I get the
> stuff from her and then get a contact at the tribe and see if I can
> arrange
> some sort of a group rate. (See, I'm gonna get brownie points with her and
> have her help me.) If you guys have any ideas, let me know.
>
> AzDave
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>>
>> Karen and I have made our reservations for the 19th - 22 nd.
>> Larry, Or
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
John,
I believe the person you're talking about is Wayland La Fonte. Also,
though I haven't checked this out, I believe from the way Julie was talking
about, that the Gouldings is a separate operation from the MV Tribal Park.
I love the certificate or plaque idea. Last year I wrote them a letter
complimenting them on their facilities and service...I believe many of you
signed it.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
John W/Gang:
>
> I don't have a problem with paying my way either. Once they have our
> money, they are less likely to complain about somebody scaring the
> sheep or waking them from their nap. $5.00 a day is a cheap price to
> pay for the freedom to fly the way they allow us to fly in "their"
> valley. We are on the Navajo Indian Reservation.
>
> Getting to know the folks that own and operate Gouldings was a big
> plus for us last year. Maybe some one with a lot of imagination, or
> otherwise, could come up with a plaque, certificate, or something to
> identify us Kolbers, to present to the folks at Gouldings. Can't
> remember his name right off and I have filed away his business card,
> but you all MV'ers know who I am talking about.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
Yesterday I went for a one hour flight in my Firestar
II. I wore Jeans and a T-shirt, so it seemed like
summer flying. I am in the Phoenix area and my
Firestar is fully enclosed, if your wondering how I
could possibly be warm enough. The air, this time of
year, is very smooth, and that contributed to an
enjoyable flight.
After years of flying from short grass strips, I know
hanger at municipal airport that had once been an Air
Force base. Plenty of paved runway. I used to have to
hold the brakes on as I pushed the throttle forward,
releasing them for take-off when they couldn't hold
any more. Now, I push the throttle forward with no
brakes and the plane leaves the runway before I can
get the throttle all the way open. Same plane, but
such a different experience.
My Firestar II is 7 years old this year. I don't fly
it as often as the first year, but I am still enjoying
it.
For those of you that are still building. Keep at it,
it's worth it.
John Jung
__________________________________
http://my.yahoo.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
I have a MK3 Classic. What are the three tabs on the bottom tubes under
the passenger seat for? I can find nothing in the plans showing this detail.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| I'm afraid I DO have a problem with their
| $5.00 fee, since they're already notching me $28.00 a night - which
is quite
| high - for the use of their campground. Grumbly ol' Lar
Grumbly ol' Lar/All:
Correct me if I am wrong, but the $5.00 fee, if I have understood John
W correctly, is for pilots of aircraft. Now if they want to also levy
a $5.00 fee for passengers, then you gotta ligitimate bitch. We
shall see.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> is quite
>
> Grumbly ol' Lar/All:
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but the $5.00 fee, if I have understood John
> W correctly, is for pilots of aircraft. Now if they want to also levy
> a $5.00 fee for passengers, then you gotta ligitimate bitch. We
> shall see.
>
> john h
Chances are very good that if it is for a plane rather than for passengers
you still won't be out any money, :-)
If your past performance is any judge of future (May) events.
Laughing in Oregon!!
Larry
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Floor tabs MK3 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Not sure, but I used them for battery brackets.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 05:07 PM 1/15/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
>
> I have a MK3 Classic. What are the three tabs on the bottom
> tubes under the passenger seat for? I can find nothing in the plans
> showing this detail.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Floor tabs MK3 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
To mount the battery support.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
>
> I have a MK3 Classic. What are the three tabs on the bottom
tubes under the passenger seat for? I can find nothing in the plans showing
this detail.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Kolbers and Kolbettes....
Have about decided to go the Experimental - Amateur Built route with the kleenex
airplane sometime in the next year...
Primary practical objective is to get 5 additional gallons aboard, and possibly
another anti-collision light... and
mebbe even a toothbrush, some aspirin and a spare stogie...
Firefly gross all-up is 500 lbs, per the plans.... With the BRS, I already operate
it right at that weight...
Two Questions:
1. If I license it as an experimental A.B., can I legally "adjust" the kit maker's
max gross to accomodate the extra gas?... if so, what, if anything, is required
of the builder (me) in the way of paperwork or calculations for the inspector
to make this adjustment...?
2. Is the Firefly airframe, within existing VNE and other published performance
limitations, reasonably capable of handling additional weight over the long
haul.... say, 100 more lbs.
I intend to ask TNK about question #2... assuming they have the design and stress
analysis data from when the design was marketed.... but thought someone else
on the list might have credible opinions/input about the Fly design limitations.
Thankee...
Beauford, the Aluminum Butcher of Brandon FL
FF#76
(111 hours and so far nothing big has come off...)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Beauford,
<<gross .. per the plans... license it as an experimental A.B., can I
legally "adjust" the kit maker's max gross .. what, if anything, is
required .. paperwork or calculations for the inspector>>
It appears some clarification of the US regulatory situation is in
order. Whether from a kit or from plans, *you* are the manufacturer of
your Experimental airplane. *You* set the gross weight, *you* set the
Center of Gravity Limits. The inspector has no authority to judge the
design or structural limits. He/she can only sign off on the materials
and workmanship (and regulatory compliance like presence/location of
signs, instruments, etc). Check the advisory circular before your
inspection so you can show them their limits if needed. In my
experience, I have never found any inspector who wasn't acutely aware of
their approval limits. I have never heard an inspector even comment on
design or structure (except something like "sure is a beautiful looking
ship"). The FAA employee who wrote our regs some 50 years ago sure did
us one heck of a favor in granting us the freedom to truly experiment.
With reference to the recent C.G. limits thread, you need to do a good
empty weight & balance but you do *not* need to specify the limits at
inspection. These limits should be determined for *your* aircraft
during the flight test phase. If asked, merely assure the inspector you
will be doing the first flight near the center of the *expected* C.G.
range and then will expand the C.G. envelope slowly and carefully.
<<2. Is the Firefly airframe, within existing VNE and other published
performance limitations, reasonably capable of handling additional
weight over the long haul.... say, 100 more lbs.
I intend to ask TNK about question #2>>
Because of legal liability reasons, it is unfair to you (if something
goes wrong) and unfair to TNK to ask them about this. Since I don't
have enough money to be worth suing, I'll opine what I've seen about
higher gross weight Kolbs makes me not at all concerned about your
proposed changes. Check the archives.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original
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