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1. 12:02 AM - Re: Poor Man's plane (Steve Garvelink)
2. 04:56 AM - Re: Gross...!!! (jerb)
3. 07:31 AM - Re: Gross...!!! (John Hauck)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
5. 08:10 AM - Crash (Vic)
6. 09:00 AM - Firefly with H section (herbgh@juno.com)
7. 09:09 AM - Re: Crash (Beauford)
8. 09:32 AM - Re: Crash (John Hauck)
9. 09:47 AM - Control stops (Bob and Jenn B)
10. 10:12 AM - Re: Firefly with H section (John Hauck)
11. 10:29 AM - Re: Crash (Dana Labhart)
12. 11:04 AM - Re: Control stops (kfackler)
13. 11:24 AM - Re: Firefly with H section (herbgh@juno.com)
14. 11:27 AM - Re: Monument Valley Flyover Fees (The Kuffels)
15. 12:11 PM - Re: Control stops (John Hauck)
16. 12:15 PM - Re: Control stops (John Hauck)
17. 12:29 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flyover Fees (kfackler)
18. 12:33 PM - Re: Control stops (Rusty)
19. 12:34 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flyover Fees (robert bean)
20. 01:18 PM - 582 FSII / EIS (Richard Pike)
21. 02:10 PM - Re: Firefly with H section (John Hauck)
22. 03:39 PM - Elevated Mark III a la J Hauck (kfackler)
23. 03:45 PM - Creepin senility (herbgh@juno.com)
24. 03:46 PM - Cause of engine stoppage. (Vic)
25. 03:48 PM - Re: Control stops (Jack & Louise Hart)
26. 05:04 PM - Re: 582 FSII / EIS (Joe Allman)
27. 05:17 PM - Re: Elevated Mark III a la J Hauck (John Hauck)
28. 05:18 PM - Re: Cause of engine stoppage. (John Hauck)
29. 05:55 PM - Re: Firefly with H section (Beauford)
30. 06:25 PM - Re: Elevated Mark III a la J Hauck (HShack@aol.com)
31. 06:25 PM - Re: 582 FSII / EIS (Richard Pike)
32. 06:29 PM - Re: Firestar II wanted (HShack@aol.com)
33. 06:44 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flyover Fees (WillUribe@aol.com)
34. 06:54 PM - Re: 582 FSII / EIS (Denny Rowe)
35. 07:30 PM - Re: Updates (Jerry Curtin)
36. 07:45 PM - Re: Elevated Mark III a la J Hauck (John Hauck)
37. 09:14 PM - Re: Firefly with H section (jerb)
38. 09:29 PM - Re: Firefly with H section (jerb)
39. 09:31 PM - Re: 582 FSII / EIS (jerb)
40. 09:43 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flyover Fees (The Kuffels)
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| Subject: | Poor Man's plane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Thanks Dale,
S Garvelink
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Sellers
Subject: Kolb-List: Poor Man's plane
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Kolbers,
I made it through my surgery and am now absent one Ileostomy.
Got the US out the other day to run it a bit, hadn't been able to fly it
since June. After a couple of false starts, it came to life and ran
really well considering the gas(about 2 quarts) was six months old.
I warmed her up for a few minutes then taxied it around the back yard a
few times. I stopped, locked the brakes and ran it up to WOT. It came
up to about 6300 rpm's as expected. I said to myself, "self", all is
well and she sounds like she's ready to go. I decided to let the little
Cuyuna run for awhile as I picked up my cleaning supplies and tools used
in a much needed clean-up for the old girl. I chocked the wheels good
and set the throttle at about 3k and let it run. When I got the plane,
it came with a Cuyuna II-02 with a four v-belt reduction drive. I took
it apart and looked it over closely and everything seemed ok so I
replaced the belts, tightened them up and went flying. After three
props, I finally realized that the reduction ratio of the drive was not
the same as came with the original UltraStars. Instead of 1.96:1, it
was about 2.5:1 so I couldn't use the standard 50 X 30 prop that the old
US"s used and I finally settled on a 50 X42 which seemed to load !
the engine just right and I was indicating about 75 @ 5800. I had put
about 10 on it at the time I was running it in the back yard. I heard a
big noise, looked around and the prop, belts and large 4-groved pulley
were laying on the ground behind the plane, minus about a foot of one
end of my brand new TN prop. The engine was still running just fine. I
shut it down to see what was what and found that the shaft that the
large pulley and prop mounted on had broken off at it's mounting point
where it screwed into the belt tightening slide. As I looked closer, I
could tell that the shaft which is about 3/4" dia., had been broken
almost all the way in two for awhile, long enough to rust good in the
break and was only attached at about 10% of the diameter. So, If any of
you older guys like me are still flying a reduction drive that sounds
like mine, I think I would take the shaft out and have it magnafluxed
before running it again. I don't know for sure but I've been told th!
at this type of drive was used on some Quicksilvers as well as some
others so you might pass the word around.
No one can tell me that there is not someone upstairs watching over me.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
In the armature built experimental category the manufacturer sets the gross
weight, you the builder are considered the manufacturer thus it is you that
sets the gross weight limit. Now while you have the ability it still comes
with some liability - if you grossly over do it you could put the airframe
structure in jeopardy. Having built a FireFly and flown it, I feel it is
well capable of higher gross weight so long as weight and balance is
maintained.
In reality - our FireFly had a 447, a 15# instrument panel, brakes,
enclosure, 750# VLS chute and closely ran near 290# with full fuel if I
recall right. I at that time I also weighed around 280# so with full fuel
we were pushing close to 600#. Would I go much more than this, probably
not. Comparing the FireFly to the FireStar, I feel the factory had been
very conservative in setting the gross weight of the FireFly in the first
place based upon conversations with Dennis but TNK will probably stick to
it for no more than liability reasons alone. It's a pretty strong little
airframe.
jerb
At 09:27 PM 1/15/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Kolbers and Kolbettes....
>
>Have about decided to go the Experimental - Amateur Built route with the
>kleenex airplane sometime in the next year...
>
>Primary practical objective is to get 5 additional gallons aboard, and
>possibly another anti-collision light... and
>mebbe even a toothbrush, some aspirin and a spare stogie...
>
>Firefly gross all-up is 500 lbs, per the plans.... With the BRS, I
>already operate it right at that weight...
>
>Two Questions:
>1. If I license it as an experimental A.B., can I legally "adjust" the
>kit maker's max gross to accomodate the extra gas?... if so, what, if
>anything, is required of the builder (me) in the way of paperwork or
>calculations for the inspector to make this adjustment...?
>2. Is the Firefly airframe, within existing VNE and other published
>performance limitations, reasonably capable of handling additional weight
>over the long haul.... say, 100 more lbs.
>
>I intend to ask TNK about question #2... assuming they have the design and
>stress analysis data from when the design was marketed.... but thought
>someone else on the list might have credible opinions/input about the Fly
>design limitations.
>
>Thankee...
>Beauford, the Aluminum Butcher of Brandon FL
>FF#76
>(111 hours and so far nothing big has come off...)
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|Comparing the FireFly to the FireStar, I feel the factory had been
| very conservative in setting the gross weight of the FireFly in the
first
| place based upon conversations with Dennis but TNK will probably
stick to
| it for no more than liability reasons alone. It's a pretty strong
little
| airframe.
| jerb
Jerb/Gang:
One of Dennis Souders's favorite comments was "it is as strong as its
weakest link", which I agree with. Beef one thing up and the next
weakest thing will fail.
The Firefly is a very strong little airplane based on the old Firestar
fuselage, Sling Shot wings (with 5" spars), and lots of ribs.
However, if I were going to make a little hot rod/heavy hauler out of
it, I'd go with "H" braces in the wing spars and streamlined 4130
struts. That's based on gut feelings more than any kind of stress
tests or numbers.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Guys, as I said in my original post, the fee is $5 per person, per day.
Like I said, I'm gonna try to see if I can negotiate a package deal or
something, but it'll be a week before I get to it. Also as I mentioned, I
don't think Gouldings has anything to do with this, even though they are
part of the tribe. It's the Tribal Council that sent them the letter.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>> | I'm afraid I DO have a problem with their
>> | $5.00 fee, since they're already notching me $28.00 a night - which
>> is quite
>> | high - for the use of their campground. Grumbly ol' Lar
>>
>> Grumbly ol' Lar/All:
>>
>> Correct me if I am wrong, but the $5.00 fee, if I have understood John
>> W correctly, is for pilots of aircraft. Now if they want to also levy
>> a $5.00 fee for passengers, then you gotta ligitimate bitch. We
>> shall see.
>>
>> john h
>
> Chances are very good that if it is for a plane rather than for passengers
> you still won't be out any money, :-)
> If your past performance is any judge of future (May) events.
>
> Laughing in Oregon!!
> Larry
>
>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
I had and engine out last week and had to put down in a field. The landing
went okay until I hit an irrigation ditch which caused the plane to flip
over. Did serious damage to the Kolb. Anyone know of a kit for sale at a
reasonable price.
Vic
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| Subject: | Firefly with H section |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
John -all
You did not indicate that you knew--but Brian and Randy have done just
that! I saw it several months ago at the Quick build center. Set my
pulse up a notch or two. Gonna build a second set of wings for my Fly.
Fly Star--Star Fly?? Now if only a 503 could be safely mounted!! :-)
Herb
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:51:20 -0600 "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
>
> Jerb/Gang:
>
> One of Dennis Souders's favorite comments was "it is as strong as
> its
> weakest link", which I agree with. Beef one thing up and the next
> weakest thing will fail.
>
> The Firefly is a very strong little airplane based on the old
> Firestar
> fuselage, Sling Shot wings (with 5" spars), and lots of ribs.
> However, if I were going to make a little hot rod/heavy hauler out
> of
> it, I'd go with "H" braces in the wing spars and streamlined 4130
> struts. That's based on gut feelings more than any kind of stress
> tests or numbers.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Vic...
Negative on the kit info, but am sure glad you are sitting at a computer
typing e-mails about it...
Congrats on the walking away part of the experience...
Any idea what caused the engine to quit?
Regards,
Beauford
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Crash
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
>
> I had and engine out last week and had to put down in a field. The
> landing
> went okay until I hit an irrigation ditch which caused the plane to flip
> over. Did serious damage to the Kolb. Anyone know of a kit for sale at a
> reasonable price.
>
> Vic
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Vic/Gang:
Sorry to hear about your airplane. Hope you are ok, other than sore
pride and disappointment.
Most of us have been there and done that once, or twice, or more, and
understand how you must feel today.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
On the subject of control stops and LSA certification, has anyone who had
their Kolb licensed experimental needed stops on any controls? I'm at a
loss of how to put them on the rudder of my Mk II, full deflection contacts
the elevator. Any ideas?
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly with H section |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
You did not indicate that you knew--but Brian and Randy have done just
| that! Now if only a 503 could be safely mounted!! :-)
|
| Herb
Herb/Gang:
Did not know.
Why not? Would make a nice little hot rod. Of course, it would need
some nice long gear legs to put its nose up in a good three point
stance.
Probably get SS performance on a FF budget. ;-)
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dana Labhart" <njlabhart@kih.net>
Vic,
I thank God you are alive and well to share your
experience. Since I really don't keep up with what
aircraft each of you have I am curious as to what
engine you have on your plane.
Sometime this past month, flycrazy8@aol.com had
an Ultrastar for sale.
Dana Labhart
(do not archive)
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| Subject: | Re: Control stops |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Would shortening the cables work?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Control stops
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
>
> On the subject of control stops and LSA certification, has anyone who had
> their Kolb licensed experimental needed stops on any controls? I'm at a
> loss of how to put them on the rudder of my Mk II, full deflection
contacts
> the elevator. Any ideas?
>
> Bob
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly with H section |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
John
I think you have a bit of Madison Avenue in your blood. Sling Shot
performance on a FireFly budget! :-) My FF sits on 6 inch wheels.
Harder to get into than my old MkIII.
I Seem to recall that they were building it for a fellow in Tenn? Herb
do not archive
>
> You did not indicate that you knew--but Brian and Randy have done
> just
>
> Herb/Gang:
>
> Did not know.
>
> Why not? Would make a nice little hot rod. Of course, it would
> need
> some nice long gear legs to put its nose up in a good three point
> stance.
>
> Probably get SS performance on a FF budget. ;-)
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flyover Fees |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Fellow aviators,
Do not archive.
<<the fee is $5 per person, per day. .. don't think Gouldings has
anything to do with this ..It's the Tribal Council>>
This may not affect me directly as I don't know if I'll be able to make
MV in my old Mooney or not. However, if I understand correctly, the
tribe is trying to charge a fee for the right to occupy the airspace
over their reservation. To allow this sets a very bad precedent. The
FAA has sole authority to regulate the airspace in the US. To go along
with an erosion of this authority leads to all sorts of problems.
Remember the hassles between the FAA and the Park Service about the
Grand Canyon. Before the dust settled on that one the Park Service
tried to get control over all airspace above all national parks. This
is not a road we want to go down.
My vote is to send the Tribal Council a polite letter informing them of
the FAA's sole and exclusive power to regulate airspace and declining to
pay any fee which contradicts this power. If I come, I will not pay
this fee. If they want to make this an issue, I will be happy to spend
my money in someone else's economy who is more airplane friendly.
But then again, I am a professional curmudgeon.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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| Subject: | Re: Control stops |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| loss of how to put them on the rudder of my Mk II, full deflection
contacts
| the elevator. Any ideas?
|
| Bob
Hi Bob/All:
Yep. Call Travis at TNK. Ask him to send you a rudder stop. I think
they use the same one on all models. A simple 4 pop rivet attachment
takes care of installation.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Control stops |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
ffackler/Gang:
Probably not. But...............shortening his legs might. ;-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flyover Fees |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
I thought the fee was for the use of the LAND, not the air?
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Kuffels" <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Flyover Fees
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> Fellow aviators,
>
> Do not archive.
>
> <<the fee is $5 per person, per day. .. don't think Gouldings has
> anything to do with this ..It's the Tribal Council>>
>
> This may not affect me directly as I don't know if I'll be able to make
> MV in my old Mooney or not. However, if I understand correctly, the
> tribe is trying to charge a fee for the right to occupy the airspace
> over their reservation. To allow this sets a very bad precedent. The
> FAA has sole authority to regulate the airspace in the US. To go along
> with an erosion of this authority leads to all sorts of problems.
> Remember the hassles between the FAA and the Park Service about the
> Grand Canyon. Before the dust settled on that one the Park Service
> tried to get control over all airspace above all national parks. This
> is not a road we want to go down.
>
> My vote is to send the Tribal Council a polite letter informing them of
> the FAA's sole and exclusive power to regulate airspace and declining to
> pay any fee which contradicts this power. If I come, I will not pay
> this fee. If they want to make this an issue, I will be happy to spend
> my money in someone else's economy who is more airplane friendly.
>
> But then again, I am a professional curmudgeon.
>
> Tom Kuffel
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
I'm at a loss of how to put them on the rudder of my Mk II, full deflection
contacts
the elevator. Any ideas?
Bob
-----------
(RD) Hi Bob. Both slingshots have a rudder stop at the rudder control horn
where the cables attach. Funny, that they aren't done the same way. The
old SS had a normal control horn, but a fixed post was attached to the
vertical stabilizer tube. The control horn hit the tube when it was at the
limit. The newer SS has the stop build into the control horn, so it
contacts the vertical stab tube at the limit. If you've got a control horn
without the stop, the old type stop would probably be easy to add. This is
all assuming that they're done the same way on the MK-II.
Cheers,
Rusty (would have posted a pic if the email list would let me)
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flyover Fees |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I suppose this involves what you might consider as their airspace.
Commercial
traffic at 30,000' would not be a big problem. But then 50'
sightseer/strafing runs
are another viewpoint. As a quasi-nation they are entitled to some
control over
their property. You might compare them to the vatican. Maybe you can
get
a letter of enlightenment from them on the matter. Personally I'd fork
over
the $5.00/day (flyers only). I can't forget what the jerk, pres
Jackson, did to the
Cherokees in N. Carolina.
-BB do not archive
On 16, Jan 2005, at 1:57 PM, The Kuffels wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> Fellow aviators,
>
> Do not archive.
>
> <<the fee is $5 per person, per day. .. don't think Gouldings has
> anything to do with this ..It's the Tribal Council>>
>
> This may not affect me directly as I don't know if I'll be able to make
> MV in my old Mooney or not. However, if I understand correctly, the
> tribe is trying to charge a fee for the right to occupy the airspace
> over their reservation. To allow this sets a very bad precedent. The
> FAA has sole authority to regulate the airspace in the US. To go along
> with an erosion of this authority leads to all sorts of problems.
> Remember the hassles between the FAA and the Park Service about the
> Grand Canyon. Before the dust settled on that one the Park Service
> tried to get control over all airspace above all national parks. This
> is not a road we want to go down.
>
> My vote is to send the Tribal Council a polite letter informing them of
> the FAA's sole and exclusive power to regulate airspace and declining
> to
> pay any fee which contradicts this power. If I come, I will not pay
> this fee. If they want to make this an issue, I will be happy to spend
> my money in someone else's economy who is more airplane friendly.
>
> But then again, I am a professional curmudgeon.
>
> Tom Kuffel
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
At 11:38 AM 1/16/2005 -0600, you wrote:
Don't know about SS performance, but before we quit tweaking it last night,
the 582 powered Firestar II was getting 1200' a minute climb rate at 6220
rpm, cruises at somewhere in the upper 60's (gps) at 5500 rpm, stalls
around 39-40 (??- airspeed is not calibrated) and sure does fly good. No
doubt it will fly even better once we get the prop, engine, aileron, trim
and trim tabs set right.
One question - The EIS is working normally except for the Timer function.
After starting and running for several minutes, the timer function makes
the EIS go into alarm mode, and I cannot figure out what needs
adjusting/calibrating/resetting. Suggestions?
Richard Pike
FSII N582EF
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
><snip>
>
>Probably get SS performance on a FF budget. ;-)
>
>john h
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly with H section |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Harder to get into than my old MkIII.
|
| Herb
Herb/Gang:
I think that is because the FF uses the original FS fuselage which had
a top longeron. That is one of the characteristics of the original FS
I liked. Was just high enough to rest my arms on.
The trick to getting in and out of the FF is to use the main tire for
a launching platform. Same same getting out. I use the same
procedure to get in and out of my MKIII because it sits so much higher
than a standard MKIII.
That top longeron probably adds additional strength to the fuselage
over the FSII with the low cut fuselage, to make entrance and exit
easier on you old folks. ;-)
john h
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| Subject: | Elevated Mark III a la J Hauck |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
> procedure to get in and out of my MKIII because it sits so much higher
> than a standard MKIII.
John, what was the purpose for increasing the length of your gear
legs/sitting height of your Mark III? Was it just for ease of entry/exit or
is there an aerodynamic reason as well?
-Ken
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| Subject: | Creepin senility |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
John
I resent that "old folks" remark!! I drive an old fogey buggy--crown
vic--live in an old fogy house --brown appliances--have two old and
broken down dogs---! that is why I got the firefly---to discuise my
idenity!! :-) Herb
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:35:54 -0600 "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | My FF sits on 6 inch wheels.
>
> Herb/Gang:
>
> I think that is because the FF uses the original FS fuselage which
> had
> a top longeron. That is one of the characteristics of the original
>> over the FSII with the low cut fuselage, to make entrance and exit
> easier on you old folks. ;-)
>
> john h
>
>
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| Subject: | Cause of engine stoppage. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
I believe I found out why my 503 stopped. I did a complete inspection of
the engine today and when I removed the carburetor gas bowl I found the main
jet was almost complete backed out. I must not have gotten it tight enough.
Any one no how to prevent this from happening. I can't think of any way to
safety wire the stupid thing.ic
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Control stops |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 12:11 PM 1/16/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
>
>On the subject of control stops and LSA certification, has anyone who had
>their Kolb licensed experimental needed stops on any controls? I'm at a
>loss of how to put them on the rudder of my Mk II, full deflection contacts
>the elevator. Any ideas?
>
>Bob
>
Bob,
My solution:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly22.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
Richard,
Lurker here- You can change the timer parameters just like you would change
the Min and Max for other things like egt, voltage...
I bought a used unit that was set to go off every 30 minutes. It came out
of an aircraft that was used for instruction and I always assumed that's how
he kept up with his billing increments. I set mine for my max time aloft on
a full tank. (less a 20 minutes)
Joe SS-582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 FSII / EIS
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
At 11:38 AM 1/16/2005 -0600, you wrote:
Don't know about SS performance, but before we quit tweaking it last night,
the 582 powered Firestar II was getting 1200' a minute climb rate at 6220
rpm, cruises at somewhere in the upper 60's (gps) at 5500 rpm, stalls
around 39-40 (??- airspeed is not calibrated) and sure does fly good. No
doubt it will fly even better once we get the prop, engine, aileron, trim
and trim tabs set right.
One question - The EIS is working normally except for the Timer function.
After starting and running for several minutes, the timer function makes
the EIS go into alarm mode, and I cannot figure out what needs
adjusting/calibrating/resetting. Suggestions?
Richard Pike
FSII N582EF
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
><snip>
>
>Probably get SS performance on a FF budget. ;-)
>
>john h
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Elevated Mark III a la J Hauck |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| legs/sitting height of your Mark III? | -Ken
Ken/All:
Take a look at a tri-gear aircraft sitting on the ground, then a tail
dragger. Tri-gear sits pretty much level. On take off and landings
it can get the nose up to rotate and also to flare for landing.
Homer designed his tail draggers to sit level on the ground, except
the Ultrastar. His idea for that was to make the airplane safer to
fly for low time pilots. The level attitude and increased wing
incidence causes the pilot to get a lot of airspeed before he can fly.
Same for landing. Causes the pilot to fly it on the ground.
By raising the nose of my MKIII with longer gear legs I can now rotate
on takeoff, flare and make full stall three point landings. The
bottom of the wing is turned up more and helps slow me down.
No aerodynamic changes and it is more difficult, for some, to get in
and out of my airplane.
We also moved the main gear forward about 8" from the standard
position. This puts a lot of weight on the tailwheel and prevents my
MKIII from going up on its nose in soft sand, mud, tall weeds and
brush. I can also hold the airplane for full power runups without
worrying about the tail coming up. In addition, I can make max
performance braking on landing without the tail coming up.
Other than what I have mentioned above, it also makes the MKIII a much
more attractive aircraft. To me anyhow.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Cause of engine stoppage. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| jet was almost complete backed out. |
| Vic
Vic/All:
Sounds like someone forgot to properly tighten the main jet.
Don't think they will back out if properly tightened. Then again,
there's Murphy!!!
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly with H section |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Did John say "old"...??? Define "old" Good Sir......
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > "The trick to getting in and out of the FF is to use the main tire for
> a launching platform. Same same getting out..."
"....easier on you old folks. ;-)"
>
At least I don't yet have to climb atop a wheel and rest in order to recover
sufficiently
to continue the remainder of the FF entry or exit process....
old......
Harrumph.... :-)
My thanks to Brothers Kuffel and Jerb for their inputs/answers to my gross
weight questions
which started this mess...
Agile Old Beauford
FF#076 (six inch wheels)
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| Subject: | Re: Elevated Mark III a la J Hauck |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 1/16/2005 8:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
By raising the nose of my MKIII with longer gear legs I can now rotate
on takeoff, flare and make full stall three point landings. The
bottom of the wing is turned up more and helps slow me down.
John, by moving the mains forward 8" did it create any " squirrelyness" with
so much weight behind the mains?
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Ah ha! Thanks a bunch!
Richard Pike
do not archive
At 07:31 PM 1/16/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
>
>Richard,
>Lurker here- You can change the timer parameters just like you would change
>the Min and Max for other things like egt, voltage...
>I bought a used unit that was set to go off every 30 minutes. It came out
>of an aircraft that was used for instruction and I always assumed that's how
>he kept up with his billing increments. I set mine for my max time aloft on
>a full tank. (less a 20 minutes)
>
>Joe SS-582
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: 582 FSII / EIS
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>At 11:38 AM 1/16/2005 -0600, you wrote:
><snip>
>One question - The EIS is working normally except for the Timer function.
>After starting and running for several minutes, the timer function makes
>the EIS go into alarm mode, and I cannot figure out what needs
>adjusting/calibrating/resetting. Suggestions?
>
>Richard Pike
>FSII N582EF (Ed's Firestar)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II wanted |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
Another member of our club, the "Trenton Flyers", is looking for a nice low
time Firestar II with a 503. We are in western SC & would be interested in
any within a 500 mile radius.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Monument Valley Flyover Fees |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Greetings,
I thought the $5.00 per day fee was for airport parking, which I don't mind
paying.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kfackler
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Flyover Fees
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
I thought the fee was for the use of the LAND, not the air?
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Kuffels" <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Flyover Fees
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> Fellow aviators,
>
> Do not archive.
>
> <<the fee is $5 per person, per day. .. don't think Gouldings has
> anything to do with this ..It's the Tribal Council>>
>
> This may not affect me directly as I don't know if I'll be able to make
> MV in my old Mooney or not. However, if I understand correctly, the
> tribe is trying to charge a fee for the right to occupy the airspace
> over their reservation. To allow this sets a very bad precedent. The
> FAA has sole authority to regulate the airspace in the US. To go along
> with an erosion of this authority leads to all sorts of problems.
> Remember the hassles between the FAA and the Park Service about the
> Grand Canyon. Before the dust settled on that one the Park Service
> tried to get control over all airspace above all national parks. This
> is not a road we want to go down.
>
> My vote is to send the Tribal Council a polite letter informing them of
> the FAA's sole and exclusive power to regulate airspace and declining to
> pay any fee which contradicts this power. If I come, I will not pay
> this fee. If they want to make this an issue, I will be happy to spend
> my money in someone else's economy who is more airplane friendly.
>
> But then again, I am a professional curmudgeon.
>
> Tom Kuffel
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
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| Subject: | Re: 582 FSII / EIS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Richard,
Sounds like your flight timer is set for only a few minutes, go through the
menu and see what its set at.
Denny
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 FSII / EIS
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> At 11:38 AM 1/16/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>
> Don't know about SS performance, but before we quit tweaking it last
> night,
> the 582 powered Firestar II was getting 1200' a minute climb rate at 6220
> rpm, cruises at somewhere in the upper 60's (gps) at 5500 rpm, stalls
> around 39-40 (??- airspeed is not calibrated) and sure does fly good. No
> doubt it will fly even better once we get the prop, engine, aileron, trim
> and trim tabs set right.
>
> One question - The EIS is working normally except for the Timer function.
> After starting and running for several minutes, the timer function makes
> the EIS go into alarm mode, and I cannot figure out what needs
> adjusting/calibrating/resetting. Suggestions?
>
> Richard Pike
> FSII N582EF
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>><snip>
>>
>>Probably get SS performance on a FF budget. ;-)
>>
>>john h
>>
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net>
Hello John and all, John, I added my name to the Kolb list with Kip, Thank
you for bringing it to my attention. Have you or anyone on the list ever
work with Kevlar. I just bought a Firestar with a 503 that was never built.
I want to sculpt the cage with last-a-foam and then cover it with Kevlar. It
is only 1.8oz per yd. but expensive. I don't mind the extra cost as long as
I only have to do it once. Therefore, any help or advice anyone can give me
would be greatly appreciated. Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Updates
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Fellow Kolber's,
>
> I talked to the great folks at TNK today, always have a good conversation
> with them. They did mention that Chris Davis is doing very well and his
> family is getting the house ready for him to come home to.
>
> TNK is already in the process of getting ready for Sun-n Fun 2005. I can
> hardly wait to get back down there myself. I have a great time when I'm at
> Paradise City.
>
> Don't forget to check and keep your information current on the Kolb Owners
> and Builders Database that is kept up by Kip L. Here is the link:
> http://www.springeraviation.net/database.html
>
> I have a list of 15 names that have said they plan to attend the Kolb
> Gathering at Monument Valley 2005. If you haven't sent me your names and
if
> you will have a Kolb or other aviation device there, please do send it to
> me. For those that are still thinking about it, I have added a photo on
the
> first page of my website that summarizes why you come on out the MV.
>
> Everyone have a great flying weekend,
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevated Mark III a la J Hauck |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
squirrelyness" with
| so much weight behind the mains?
|
|
| Howard Shackleford
Shack/Gang:
Forgot to mention Homer also put most of the weight on the main gear,
which also assists in producing nose overs. However, it also makes
the Kolb a very docile ground handler.
My modification to main gear solved the nose over problem, but made a
"real" tail dragger out of it.. Takes a short time to get accustomed
to the new setup and I have to stay on my toes and stay ahead of the
aircraft on the ground. But.........all that is second nature now
after quite a few hours on the airplane. "Real" airplane tires
(McQuery Airtracs 800X6) and a big fat Maule Tundra Tailwheel with
tapered roller bearings on the pivot shaft and an 8" pneumatic tire
help tame the savage beast. I think I have finally found the system I
was looking for for the last 13 years. It works great!
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly with H section |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Herb, John,
If you want a 503 and are willing to build wings, why not just buy a
FireStar and be done with it. The FireFly is far from being under powered
with a 447. Don't make sense.
John, as for adding H-sections, how would that impact the stress points
from the original calculations. Have to remember you have less span on a
FireFly wing but higher wing loading.per sq. foot.
jerb
At 10:21 AM 1/16/05 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
>
>John -all
> You did not indicate that you knew--but Brian and Randy have done just
>that! I saw it several months ago at the Quick build center. Set my
>pulse up a notch or two. Gonna build a second set of wings for my Fly.
>Fly Star--Star Fly?? Now if only a 503 could be safely mounted!! :-)
>
>Herb
>
>
>On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:51:20 -0600 "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>writes:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> >
> > |Comparing the FireFly to the FireStar, I feel the factory had been
> > | very conservative in setting the gross weight of the FireFly in
>
> >
> > Jerb/Gang:
> >
> > One of Dennis Souders's favorite comments was "it is as strong as
> > its
> > weakest link", which I agree with. Beef one thing up and the next
> > weakest thing will fail.
> >
> > The Firefly is a very strong little airplane based on the old
> > Firestar
> > fuselage, Sling Shot wings (with 5" spars), and lots of ribs.
> > However, if I were going to make a little hot rod/heavy hauler out
> > of
> > it, I'd go with "H" braces in the wing spars and streamlined 4130
> > struts. That's based on gut feelings more than any kind of stress
> > tests or numbers.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > john h
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly with H section |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
I'm short legged. I can get into the FireFly, but getting out is another
thing. I used to joke about calling my ground crew to bring the cement
block so I could get out. They finely got smart and suggested that I tie a
rope to it can carry it on my lap. That didn't sound to appealing or
workable and yet be able to manipulate the control stick. I always had
this fear of falling on my face in front of everyone at some strange field
as I really had to swing out over the edge and go hoping I landed on my
foot straight and not end up on my face. Being in Texas I did come up with
an idea. Make a stirrup out of seat belt material anchored around the main
longerons and seat cross supports. When you want to climb in or out you
just toss it our over the side and put you foot in it to let yourself down
or use it to assist getting in.
jerb
At 03:35 PM 1/16/05 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | My FF sits on 6 inch wheels.
>| Harder to get into than my old MkIII.
>|
>| Herb
>
>Herb/Gang:
>
>I think that is because the FF uses the original FS fuselage which had
>a top longeron. That is one of the characteristics of the original FS
>I liked. Was just high enough to rest my arms on.
>
>The trick to getting in and out of the FF is to use the main tire for
>a launching platform. Same same getting out. I use the same
>procedure to get in and out of my MKIII because it sits so much higher
>than a standard MKIII.
>
>That top longeron probably adds additional strength to the fuselage
>over the FSII with the low cut fuselage, to make entrance and exit
>easier on you old folks. ;-)
>
>john h
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
That is not a bad idea.
jerb
At 07:31 PM 1/16/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
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>Richard,
>Lurker here- You can change the timer parameters just like you would change
>the Min and Max for other things like egt, voltage...
>I bought a used unit that was set to go off every 30 minutes. It came out
>of an aircraft that was used for instruction and I always assumed that's how
>he kept up with his billing increments. I set mine for my max time aloft on
>a full tank. (less a 20 minutes)
>
>Joe SS-582
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: 582 FSII / EIS
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>At 11:38 AM 1/16/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Don't know about SS performance, but before we quit tweaking it last night,
>the 582 powered Firestar II was getting 1200' a minute climb rate at 6220
>rpm, cruises at somewhere in the upper 60's (gps) at 5500 rpm, stalls
>around 39-40 (??- airspeed is not calibrated) and sure does fly good. No
>doubt it will fly even better once we get the prop, engine, aileron, trim
>and trim tabs set right.
>
>One question - The EIS is working normally except for the Timer function.
>After starting and running for several minutes, the timer function makes
>the EIS go into alarm mode, and I cannot figure out what needs
>adjusting/calibrating/resetting. Suggestions?
>
>Richard Pike
>FSII N582EF
>
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> ><snip>
> >
> >Probably get SS performance on a FF budget. ;-)
> >
> >john h
> >
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flyover Fees |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Gentle Folk,
Do not archive. Oh dear, this will get a tad political, please ignore
if you wish.
<<kfackler .. fee was for the use of the LAND, not the air???>>
Not if I understand correctly. The land we are using belongs to
Gouldings, we pay for it's use with camping and motel fees.
<<robert bean .. involves what you might consider as their airspace ..
As a quasi-nation they are entitled to some control over
their property. You might compare them to the vatican. ..
the $5.00/day (flyers only).>>
Which they have. We are already charged to enter the reservation when
we take the Gouldings, or someone else's, tour. With this argument, the
City of Oshkosh can charge us for flying low over its property. Last
time I was at Airventure it was a lot more intrusive than ultralights at
MV, they even had a private military jet crash with death and
destruction. And if Oshkosh can do it during Airventure, they can do it
anytime, and so can any other government, quasi or otherwise. This kind
of potential economic chaos is exactly why Federal sovereignty over
airspace was establish in the first place. If the Tribe is unhappy with
the legal situation they can go to the federal government for change
just as I can go somewhere else to spend my money.
Don't see how this issue has much to do with century old Native
grievances however nasty. Another wrong, however minor, doesn't atone
in any way for the prior conduct of European culture. And before we
feel too much guilt, don't forget the tribes were not perfect either.
Ask the Hopi what they think of the Navaho or the Salish of the
Blackfeet. And sadly in this era of political correctness, need to
mention I'm a former Nebraskan and current Montanan. While not an
activist, most folks consider me a proponent of Native rights in ways
which affect me directly, not as some east coast theorist.
<<Will Uribe .. $5.00 per day fee was for airport parking, which I don't
mind paying.>>
Nor do I. This Gouldings fee has always been in effect at our
gatherings but is per aircraft, not per person. Two years ago they
waived it because I was staying at their motel. Presume the same policy
applies to using their RV park. What I object to is a fee, per person
even, to simply fly over the reservation on a non-commercial basis. But
then again I'm
Tom the Curmudgeon
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