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1. 05:14 AM - Re: MV (Ted C)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Crash (Rayfield, Bill)
3. 07:49 AM - Re: Firefly with H section (John Hauck)
4. 07:52 AM - Re: Updates (N27SB@aol.com)
5. 08:30 AM - kolb (b young)
6. 08:40 AM - Re: Firefly with H section (Richard Swiderwski)
7. 09:35 AM - Re: Cause of engine stoppage. (snuffy@usol.com)
8. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: MV (snuffy@usol.com)
9. 09:49 AM - MV (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
10. 10:54 AM - kolb eis (b young)
11. 11:07 AM - Re: Crash (PATRICK LADD)
12. 11:10 AM - Re: MV (John Hauck)
13. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: MV (George Bass)
14. 01:10 PM - Re: Firefly with H section aka Getting In/Out (Bob N.)
15. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: MV (snuffy@usol.com)
16. 03:04 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flyover Fees (PATRICK LADD)
17. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: MV (The Kuffels)
18. 04:52 PM - Database Updates (dama)
19. 06:00 PM - engine possibility (robert bean)
20. 06:46 PM - Re: Updates (Jerry Curtin)
21. 08:32 PM - Re: Updates (N27SB@aol.com)
22. 08:50 PM - Re: Firefly with H section (Don Gherardini)
23. 08:56 PM - Re: Cause of engine stoppage. (Giovanni Day)
24. 09:09 PM - Test (Giovanni Day)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted C <trc1917@direcway.com>
Just my two cents. If the Nation wants to assess a five buck fee on you guys flying
over their charished monuments, maybe you just should pay it cause that
would be nice for relationships, you know, like maybe they can give you each a
get out of jail card type of thing in case you need a forced landing on their
land. I mean, I would not want to land there right after I had told them to
shove it. Five bucks could buy you a lot of friendship for the tribe. Might
even invite you to other places of greater interests. Might be worth the money.
I have neibors who dont shoot at me but I wouldnt want to land there! Just
my thoughts. Ted Cowan Bad presidence I know, but this is a different situation
than most. How about just telling them you dont support their concept but
are willing to DONATE to their tribes treasury.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield@kcc.com>
I've got a Kolbra kit I'd sell. Let me know if interested, we'll talk
off list.
Bill Rayfield
Kimberly-Clark, Corp.
Lexington Mill
ph: 336-242-6653
fax: 920-969-4976
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
Subject: Kolb-List: Crash
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vic" <vicw@vcn.com>
I had and engine out last week and had to put down in a field. The
landing
went okay until I hit an irrigation ditch which caused the plane to flip
over. Did serious damage to the Kolb. Anyone know of a kit for sale at
a
reasonable price.
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly with H section |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
another
| thing. | jerb
jerb/Gang:
I have to admit I don't always hop right out of the factory FF, even
though I have very long legs. Age may have something to do with that
also.
Now, if I had an airplane I liked, but had difficulty getting in and
out of the seat, I think I would fabricate a step to be welded to the
fuselage or clamped to the gear leg, or some place to make it easier
to enter and exit the aircraft.
As far as the lift strut attachment to the main spar. Didn't Dennis
Souder redesign that to incorporate two lift struts to help the FF
meet speed restrictions in the FAA matrix of Part 103? I believe the
"normal" H brace and single attachment is much stronger than the
present FF attachment. Also, don't think there is any problem
overstressing the 5" spar in a FF. Would make a neat little hot rod,
especially if a lot of incidence was removed from the wings (like the
SS). Little rascal would get up and go.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 1/16/2005 10:42:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jcurtin@cableone.net writes:
> I want to sculpt the cage with last-a-foam and then cover it with Kevlar.
> It
> is only 1.8oz per yd. but expensive. I don't mind the extra cost as long as
> I only have to do it once.
Jerry, I can tell you what I learned after building a Long ez and other
composite structures. Kevlar may not be your best choice for several reasons.
After laying the Kevlar you will still need to go over it with glass. If you
sand into Kevlar it fuzzes and is impossible smooth. You already have all the
structure you need with the cage so you are really just need a skin. The
quickest way to go is with Bi-Axial 45/45. If you ding it you can fix it. You
could
also go with just a simple 8 oz woven glass but it is real easy to sand
through. Regular polyester resin is all you need. A hybrid cage with both steel
frame and then a foam and glass skin is the heaviest way to build an airplane.
Its the way they did it in the 60's because they did not trust the glass. I am
afraid that you will end up adding a lot of weight for the look you want.
Steve Boetto
WetFly #007
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
She told me that she's
received a letter from the tribe complaining about the ultralights using
their Monument Valley without paying. The fee is $5 per day per person.
OK, I don't have a problem with that, but I'm gonna wait 'till I get the
stuff from her and then get a contact at the tribe and see if I can arrange
some sort of a group rate. (See, I'm gonna get brownie points with her and
have her help me.) If you guys have any ideas, let me know.
Dave
it seems to me that what is spent for camping, restraunt fees, etc would make up
some of the $5.00 per day..... mention that to her when you visit with her.
we could always go to bryce canyon.... they have the same type of setup
and ammenities, hotell/ motell, rv camping, tent camping, restraunt.......
and something different to look at.....
it seems that last year they were very happy to have us and mentioned discounts
in furture years inorder to get us to come.... maybe they have forgott that,
or the gal you are visiting with did not know of that conversation.
boyd
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| Subject: | Firefly with H section |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Kolbers,
I might have missed something in this thread, but am I understanding
correctly that a FireFly does not use an H-section in the wing spar? If not
how do they distribute the stress? Just curious, Richard Swiderski
>On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:51:20 -0600 "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>writes:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> >
> > |Comparing the FireFly to the FireStar, I feel the factory had been
> > | very conservative in setting the gross weight of the FireFly in
>
> >
> > Jerb/Gang:
> >
> > One of Dennis Souders's favorite comments was "it is as strong as
> > its
> > weakest link", which I agree with. Beef one thing up and the next
> > weakest thing will fail.
> >
> > The Firefly is a very strong little airplane based on the old
> > Firestar
> > fuselage, Sling Shot wings (with 5" spars), and lots of ribs.
> > However, if I were going to make a little hot rod/heavy hauler out
> > of
> > it, I'd go with "H" braces in the wing spars and streamlined 4130
> > struts. That's based on gut feelings more than any kind of stress
> > tests or numbers.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > john h
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cause of engine stoppage. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
> | the carburetor gas bowl I found the main
I assume you have checked the threads on the jet and seat for damage
with a magnifier. The threads may be damaged from overtightening from
previous assembly. Kirk
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
I think the average income for the Navaho is below poverty level. I
would guess that when they see guys coming there to visit in airplanes
and motorhomes they kind of figure that these guys aren't exactly
Migrant workers living out of the back seat of a 78 chevy and that 5
bucks isn't going to leave them impoverished and destitute...........Kirk
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01/17/2005 12:13:13 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
Larry et al
Im still out here, mostly just lurking around..
I plan on making MV again this year, trailering out from So. Cal. with the
van.
There was talk last year of Homer possibly joining us this year. John H,
any news on this?
Erich Weaver
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
i dont know what eis you have.... the eis-3-adv-w/912 has a "set pages" option
by pressing two keys marked "set limits" at the same time you can then
scroll through pages where you can set limits for.... time,contrast, rpm, cht,
egt, temp, voltage, high and low aux limits.... when any of the limits are
exceeded this will caust the alarm to go off.
try setting the time limit to a greater number..... ex: flight time with full
tanks, minus 30 to 40 min,,,, depending on your level of comfort when running
low on fuel..... or set it to zero to turn the function off.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I had and engine out last week and had to put down in a field. >>
Hi Vic,
hard luck. Are you OK? Any idea why the engine failed?
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| There was talk last year of Homer possibly joining us this year.
John H,
| any news on this?
|
| Erich Weaver
Erich/Gang:
Homer made me a promise at the Kolb Flyin to be a MV this year. He
loves to travel, has a 94 Dodge/Cummins and a 5th wheel travel
trailer. The only thing that would keep him from not being there
would be some "other" stuff come up that took priority. For most of
us that go to MV, there isn't much that would take priority over being
there for the flyin except being in the hospital or worse.
I'll keep close tabs on Homer and make sure we are on the calender for
MV.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bass" <gtb@commspeed.net>
Snuffy, et al;
It would seem, on the surface, that your assumption
of the financial status of most of the Navaho tribal
members would be correct. However, let me be
gentle in my assertion that your assumption IS NOT
TRUE. On top of the vast amounts of money that
tribe receives from such endeavors as the Navaho
Power Plant, the coal production on their lands &
other mining operations, they do make a healthy
profit on any other items sold, &/or used on their
lands, including the RV areas, restaurants, fuels,
&, God forbid, the death of one of their prized
sheep (always one of the best stories about them).
It would seem to me that the efforts to extort, er, ah,
charge an additional 'fee' for the use of "airspace"
would just be a TEST to see how much visitors are
willing to forfeit for their personal pleasures.
I hope this can be worked out favorably for the
true benefit of all concerned. Wish I were able
to enjoy the air with you all.
Blue Skies,
George Bass
P. O. Box 770
Camp Verde, AZ
86322
USUA #30899
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly with H section aka Getting In/Out |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
OFs like me tend to repeat ourselves...so again here's how this OF gets
in/out of his FireFly:
0) Approach FF on rt. side, turn around (180 deg.).
1) Back up 'til you hit the longeron.
2) Place both hands kinda behind you on longeron and hoist yer self up
to where you're sitting on tube.
3) Lower yer butt to seat,
4) With lt. hand grab yer lt. pants leg while using rt. hand to hold
stick back and lt.
5) Haul lt. leg into cockpit, watching fer hitting windscreen if you
have the extended one. If you have the full enclosure, engage a chiropractor.
6) Repeat steps 4 and 5 with rt. leg.
7) Get back out this way:
8) Reverse steps 5 and 4, in that order.
9) With both legs out, grab tube and hoist yer self to sitting position
on tube.
10) Ease yer self to standing on ground.
11) Walk away.
Now if I can do that with 3 vertebrae fused, on a short legged 5-7
frame, at goin' on 82, then you youngsters orta be able.
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
On top of the vast amounts of money that
> tribe receives from such endeavors as the Navaho
> Power Plant, the coal production on their lands &
> other mining operations, they do make a healthy
> profit on any other items sold, &/or used on their
> lands, including the RV areas, restaurants, fuels,
OMG! they sound like..........dare I say it??? CAPITALISTS!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flyover Fees |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
As a quasi-nation they are entitled to some
control over
their property. You might compare them to the vatican.>>
Hi,
I would pay five bucks to fly across St Marks Square at 25 ft
Yeeehaaa!
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Do not archive Promise, this is the last I'll say on this topic.
snuffy <<they sound like .. CAPITALISTS>>
Exactly. They clearly think they have a monopoly. And as good
capitalists, they have the right to attempt to collect a fee to which
they are not entitled. As good consumers, we have a right to point out
the fact and decline to pay it. Then they have the right to decide to
be welcoming anyway and if not we have the right to take our money
elsewhere such as Bryce Canyon.
PATRICK LADD << <<You might compare them to the vatican.>>
I would pay five bucks to fly across St Marks Square at 25 ft
Yeeehaaa!>>
This might get interesting for you afterwards since St. Mark's Square is
in Venice. Hasn't been controlled by the Vatican in quite a while.
Then again, suspect sufficient money in the right Italian officials'
hands might get you permission to make this flight. Be careful of the
only gap in and out, it's kinda narrow.
Thomas C(as in curmudgeon) Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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| Subject: | Database Updates |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
Thanks to the "mention" by John Williamson recently, I have received quite a number
of updates and additions. All have been added and anyone who is building
or flying a Kolb is welcome to be included.
Regards,
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
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| Subject: | engine possibility |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Here's an offer that may interest someone.
(i hereby renounce any future liability) :)
I have a running Geo 1.0L with Raven Redrive, wiring harness
modified, ECM, TBI, Exhaust, Prop. It is a complete engine package
all you need to do it bolt it on and fly, it runs fine but a bit
heavy for my gyro. Looking to do a direct trade for a Running 582
complete just like my setup, just bolt on and fly.
David Mikesell
23597 N. Hwy 99
Acampo, CA 95220
209-609-8774
skyguynca@s...
www.skyguynca.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net>
Hello Steve, Thanks for the feedback. I am certainly concerned about weight
but did not think that the amount of foam that I was going to install would
be too great a cost in weight. Can you tell me why glass has to be layered
over the Kevlar? I have a friend that has modified his Piper Comanche 400
with Kevlar only and it seems to be a smooth as a baby's butt. He laid it up
by hand without vaccuum bagging it and it really looks great. Can it be
touched up with micro? Thanks again. Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: <N27SB@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Updates
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/16/2005 10:42:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jcurtin@cableone.net writes:
>
> > I want to sculpt the cage with last-a-foam and then cover it with
Kevlar.
> > It
> > is only 1.8oz per yd. but expensive. I don't mind the extra cost as long
as
> > I only have to do it once.
>
> Jerry, I can tell you what I learned after building a Long ez and other
> composite structures. Kevlar may not be your best choice for several
reasons.
> After laying the Kevlar you will still need to go over it with glass. If
you
> sand into Kevlar it fuzzes and is impossible smooth. You already have all
the
> structure you need with the cage so you are really just need a skin. The
> quickest way to go is with Bi-Axial 45/45. If you ding it you can fix it.
You could
> also go with just a simple 8 oz woven glass but it is real easy to sand
> through. Regular polyester resin is all you need. A hybrid cage with both
steel
> frame and then a foam and glass skin is the heaviest way to build an
airplane.
> Its the way they did it in the 60's because they did not trust the glass.
I am
> afraid that you will end up adding a lot of weight for the look you want.
>
> Steve Boetto
> WetFly #007
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 1/17/2005 9:59:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jcurtin@cableone.net writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net>
>
> Hello Steve, Thanks for the feedback. I am certainly concerned about weight
> but did not think that the amount of foam that I was going to install would
> be too great a cost in weight. Can you tell me why glass has to be layered
> over the Kevlar? I have a friend that has modified his Piper Comanche 400
> with Kevlar only and it seems to be a smooth as a baby's butt. He laid it up
> by hand without vaccuum bagging it and it really looks great. Can it be
> touched up with micro? Thanks again. Jerry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <N27SB@aol.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Updates
>
>
Hi Jerry,
What parts did he build? If they are fairings and cowls then those are good
applications for Kevlar.
You can finish a raw Kevlar layup with Micro filler but it is very difficult
to sand your Micro without hitting the kevlar. Once you hit it , it fuzzes up.
This is due to the very tough nature of the aramid fiber. The application you
described just does not call out for kevlar in my humble opinion. Remember,
Kevlar has very poor rigid characteristics. Without some glass in the matrix
your skin may not break but your finish will crack. If you are really sold on
Kevlar I would try some sample pieces. I would be happy to send you some
samples of Biaxial if that would help. Good luck, and let me know how it works.
If
you are willing to spend weight for pretty then at least do it as light as
possible.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly with H section |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Hey Gang....
I converted my FireFly to single lift struts...look at my website and on the
bottom of the pages the button that says "strut mod" will take you there and
show you how I did it...
The method of attach that the stock Firefly uses to attach the strut to the
spar is different than on a Firestar..I dont think it is weaker...just
different. the Fly uses a large bracket that rivets to the spar...kinda
makes a square box out of it where the struts attach and a steel attach
bracket then rivets to the box section. The end of this attach bracket then
sticks thru the fabric and each of the 4 struts attach to it with one bolt.
The "T" section that I made simply uses the stock attach brackets and allows
one to use a single strut. I sent pics and specs to to Dennis before I
completed it and asked for any advice he might offer....he basically told me
it looked like it should do the job fine. I gained 5 mph or so with this and
the other mods to cover the top half of the rear cage and added a
streamlined "ducktail " to the rear of the cage.
Here is a direct link to the strut mod page
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/strut_mod.htm
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Cause of engine stoppage. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
I once purchased a 100hr used 503. The engine was in great shape. I put it
on a quicksilver I had and it ran great till about 60-70% and up. I thought
I had too much prop as it would start to bog down and loose RPM. It would
never die but ran very bad with little power. When I would reduce the
throttle it would pick back up again. I was stumped. One friend advised I
would look at the main jets as maybe they needed adjustment. What do you
know it had none in it. With this experience in mind I am not sure the cause
of the engine stoppage was the jet. Maybe if combined with another problem
or if the power was left at full throttle it would stop? Not sure but either
way but thought the information is relevant.
Giovanni Day
MKIII 912 80566 41.4 hours
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> | the carburetor gas bowl I found the main
I assume you have checked the threads on the jet and seat for damage
with a magnifier. The threads may be damaged from overtightening from
previous assembly. Kirk
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