---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/19/05: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:12 AM - Re: Re: av-gas (kfackler) 2. 04:19 AM - Re: MV (John Jung) 3. 07:47 AM - MARK 3 FOR SALE (WILLIAM B UPSHUR) 4. 08:13 AM - Fw: Navajo facts (snuffy@usol.com) 5. 12:01 PM - Re: AvGas (Steve Kroll) 6. 03:17 PM - Re: AvGas & Rotax 503 (George E. Thompson) 7. 04:52 PM - Paint scheme (John Raeburn) 8. 05:44 PM - Re: Paint scheme (John Hauck) 9. 07:09 PM - Re: Paint scheme (Don Gherardini) 10. 07:26 PM - Re: Paint scheme (woody) 11. 08:03 PM - Rotax Oil Injection Tubing (Frank & Margie Clyma) 12. 08:41 PM - FF pix (Bob N.) 13. 08:42 PM - avgas (alananpat) 14. 09:51 PM - Kolb Photos and N101AB Seats (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:12 AM PST US From: "kfackler" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: av-gas --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" > Why use the 93? Betcha he couldn't tell you, either. Actually, he could, and did. Apparently it helps reduce the amount of lead deposits which, though small, do happen. Of course, that's -my- understanding, which may be flawed. He also explained, at length, about how to select the correct grade based on how long the fuel will remain unused. -Ken ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:30 AM PST US From: John Jung Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung Group, I have started planning my flight to MV. Last year I trailered my Firestar there, but this year I will fly. But why wait for MV? Flying in the Phoenix area is like summer right now. Yesterday, Arizona Dave and I flew for a few hours in 77 degree temperatures with low winds. We plan to get some more time in today, while this warm spell lasts. Oh, my 503 Firestar and Dave's 582 Mark III seem to cruise about the same speed. One difference is he burned more fuel. How many gph to you 582 Mark III drivers burn? John Jung Surprise, AZ __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: MARK 3 FOR SALE From: WILLIAM B UPSHUR --> Kolb-List message posted by: WILLIAM B UPSHUR Vic, Here is a great chance for a good deal on a Mark III. Dave Stroberg was building a quick build kit of the Mark III. Unfortunately he developed cancer of the brain and is now dead. This Mark III was the second Kolb that Dave has built. His wife Jo Stroberg is trying to find someone to buy the unfinished plane. You have to talk to her as to how much of the kit is completed. I am sure that you can get the Mark III at a savings and at a good fair price. If you or any other List members are interested contact: Jo Stroberg 445 Woodland Church Road Hertford, NC 27944 1-252-264-2240 Bill Upshur ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:48 AM PST US From: snuffy@usol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: Navajo facts --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com For those going to MV and would like more info on the Navajo nation here is the website for the Washington office of the Navajo. Some interesting statistics such as; the reservation is larger than each of 10 US states. 56% of Navajo live below poverty level, 43 % unemployment rate among them. They spend nearly 70% of their money outside the reservation. Average annual income of just over $6000. Informative site. http://www.nnwo.org/nnprofile.htm Do not arcjive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:34 PM PST US From: Steve Kroll Subject: Re: Kolb-List: AvGas --> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll Cliff, You've gotten lot's of advice....but I'd like to add my own. In most cases it will back up what some of the other guys are saying. Ultralights are not hard to fly but, they are different. Get some competent instruction in yours before you consider cross country. You don't know your airplane yet, neither it's flight characteristics nor it's mechanical aptitude. The mechanical part is a matter of confidence and it takes some time to build that. Once you know what you've got you will be far better prepared to even consider cross country. Personally, I wouldn't consider cross country until you've spent quite a bit of time in or near the patch building your confidence in the machine. How much time that will be will depend on your learning curve and your abilities as a pilot. In the end, that decision will be entirely your own as it will be each and every time you fly. You've come to the right place for advice but remember, all of us are different in our approach to life in general and flying in specific. For instance, what one guy might consider completely flyable weather might be considered marginal by another. Ultimately, you make those kinds of decisions completely on your own based on your skill level, the confidence you have gained in your machine over time, and your own common sense. You will have to be brutally honest with yourself for those decisions to have merit. Good luck, happy flying, and welcome to the group. Steve Kroll 220 hours ultralight (203.5 of it in my own Mk2...self built) and.. 400+hours in glider and various other GA aircraft. do not archive --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:58 PM PST US From: "George E. Thompson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: AvGas & Rotax 503 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" For what it's worth, when I took my long cross country, I just put a few containers of Pennzoil in the baggage compartment and used av gas if no other was available. A couple of FBO"s offered a car to go into town to get car gas. I only did that a couple of times. The amount of Av gas you are going to burn on your trip are not enough to worry about. I have no experience with auto injectors so I have no comment on those. My opinion only. AZ Bald Eagle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Dow" Subject: Kolb-List: AvGas & Rotax 503 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Clifford Dow > > Hello > I'm new to Ultralights - can you run a Rotax 503 with regular avgas (mixed > with 2 cycle oil of course)? > if not - how do you all take a cross country trip? do you stop at local > airports and run into town and get autofuel and fill up that way? > I"m told mixing the 2 cycle oil right in with the gas is best since if you > instead have an auto injector - if the auto injector fails - you fry your > motor? Is it seldom that these auto injectors fail??? > The Ultralight I purchased is in Virginia - i'm thinking of flying it to > Sun'N Fun - is that a HUGE trip - I figure 15 hours? Am I bitting off a > bit more than I should for a first trip in an Ultralight? > thanks > cliff > > > --------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:32 PM PST US From: John Raeburn Subject: Kolb-List: Paint scheme --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Raeburn I'm in the process of repainting my Kolb Mk 111. and trying to come up with a new paint scheme. Does anyone out there have any images they can send me over the internet of paint schemes they have used on their aircraft so I can get some new ideas of what colors to paint my aircraft. Any images will be greatly appreciated. John Raeburn ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:22 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Paint scheme --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" internet of | paint schemes they have used on their aircraft so I can get some new ideas | of what colors to paint my aircraft. John R/Gang: I got my paint scheme out of an RC Catalog. These catalogs are selling RC models and each has a different paint scheme. The only catalog I have at the present time is Tower Hobbies. You can get one of their catalogs by going to their web site. Probably get some ideas of paint schemes right off their site: www.towerhobbies.com john h ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:51 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Paint scheme --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Mr Raeburn, The prettiest Kolb I ever saw was the factory demo FireFly...grand champ at sun-n-fun year before last.....I was just getting ready to paint mine and I had cub yellow bought.....but The kind folks at Wicks lety me return it for red , white and Blue when I came home from Florida that year.....painted mine very similiar...check it out at some pics here if ya want. Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:24 PM PST US From: "woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Paint scheme --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" Check the archives and see if you can find a Photo of my Mk111 "Thunderbird." It is painted as a giagantic thunderbird using the indian style of art from the Pacific north west "Haida" If not contact me off line and I can send a copy. Most on the list that have seen it seem to like it. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:10 PM PST US From: "Frank & Margie Clyma" Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax Oil Injection Tubing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frank & Margie Clyma" Ref. the below discussion on oil injection, does anyone have any info on how long the little 1/8 inch oil feed tubing (from the pump to the intakes) lasts? If it's anything like conventional UL fuel line, maybe we'd better replace it every so often? (I've also got an oil injected 503 DCDI that's now about 5 years old, and I've never heard anything about replacing the aforementioned oil lines-----) Frank Clyma Orange Park, FL Do Not Archive ------------------------------------- --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | I"m told mixing the 2 cycle oil right in with the gas is best since if you instead have an auto injector - if the auto injector fails - you fry your motor? Is it seldom that these auto injectors fail??? Either way works great. I don't think the injectors fail any more often than the operator fails to add oil in the fuel. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:26 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Kolb-List: FF pix --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." I have a rear view of the factory FF at last year's Sun 'n Fun. Ctc me. Bob N. ronoy@shentel.net do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:12 PM PST US From: "alananpat" Subject: Kolb-List: avgas --> Kolb-List message posted by: "alananpat" This is in response to several posts about Avgas. About 12 years ago I built a Kitfox II with the then new Rotax 582. They recommended auto gas only. As I found out, this fuel is not always available, even when the Flight Guide says it is. Sometimes you gotta use 100LL (I think LL stand for "Lots-o-Lead") if you wish to fly XC. Lots of that lead stays in the combustion chamber and will cause problems. 100LL will also flow through your engine somewhat quicker than autogas. While on a XC from the Houston area to Sun-n-Fun 1993 I stopped at Picayune, MS and was given some very good advise: Add Marvel Mystery Oil to your fuel. Go by the label and add in addition to the normal oil/fuel ratio. I'm not sure why this works, but work it does. It prevents lead and carbon from sticking anywhere inside the combustion chamber. I flew that Kitfox for 200 hours and you could still see the very fine grooves machined into the top of the piston after that time. I will always use MMO in any 2-stroke I own. No I have no interest in the company except as a customer. Alan Soon to do the King Kolbra thing. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:58 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Photos and N101AB Seats --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Hi Gang: One of my favorite photos taken at Sun and Fun 2004: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/kolb_firefly.jpg This one has been a while ago. Waiting to do the Dealers Showcase. Also Sun and Fun, probably 1997. Dennis Souder in the Kolb Laser and John Hauck in the Kolb Sling Shot: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/0001.jpg Some of you all asked about my MKIII seats, actually Ultrastar Seats. This shot was taken Feb 1961, in the basement of the barn of the Kolb Factory. Brother Jim and I were building and modifying MKIII serial number M3-011: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/0002.jpg First dual controls in a MKIII designed by Jim Hauck. They still had not flown and been tested. We still had some changes to make to make them what they are today. TNK currently uses our dual controls in the MKIIIc and MKIIIx: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/0003.jpg More MKIII seats: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/0004.jpg http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/0005.jpg http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/0006.jpg Burt Howland spun the end caps for my oil tank for the 582. Jim Hauck used a piece of 5 inch tail boom to weld the end caps to: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/0007.jpg More seats: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/0008.jpg Sorry, forgot to roll this photo before I uploaded it to the index page: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/0009.jpg I did good on this one and got it turned correctly: http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/Hauck's%20Stuff/Kolb%20Stuff/0010.jpg Sorry it took so long to get these up. You would not believe how far I had to dig to find them. Then, of course, one must look at all the old photos as one searchs for what one is trying to find. Take care, john h 28F hauck's holler, alabama