---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/22/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re:heaters (Bob and Jenn B) 2. 04:57 AM - Leading edge tape (Edward Steuber) 3. 05:06 AM - Re: Leading edge tape (N27SB@aol.com) 4. 05:19 AM - Re: Leading edge tape (N27SB@aol.com) 5. 05:52 AM - Re: Leading edge tape (WillUribe@aol.com) 6. 07:41 AM - Re: heaters (John Hauck) 7. 07:41 AM - Re: Leading edge tape (robert bean) 8. 08:05 AM - Re: heaters (kfackler) 9. 08:31 AM - Re: heaters (John Hauck) 10. 01:08 PM - Re: heaters (Kirk Smith) 11. 02:30 PM - Re: Leading edge tape (Mike Pierzina) 12. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: Leading edge tape (John Hauck) 13. 03:27 PM - Re: heaters (Larry Cottrell) 14. 03:44 PM - Re: heaters (Larry Cottrell) 15. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: Leading edge tape (N27SB@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:02 AM PST US From: "Bob and Jenn B" Subject: Kolb-List: re:heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" Aircraft Spruce and Speciality has a nice looking one, called the Rans heater. for $75.00. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:06 AM PST US From: "Edward Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: Leading edge tape --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" Steve, Jc Whitney has the tape your looking for in different width rolls.....I have used it over the years and it is the same as what was used on your prop...I think the prop people source it through Whitney because I have never seen it anywhere else....cutting it to shape is really difficult...good luck Ed ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:23 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Leading edge tape --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 1/22/2005 7:57:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, esteuber@rochester.rr.com writes: > Steve, > Jc Whitney has the tape your looking for in different width rolls.....I > have used it over the years and it is the same as what was used on your > prop...I think the prop people source it through Whitney because I have never > seen it anywhere else....cutting it to shape is really difficult...good luck > Ed > > Thanks Ed, I will give it a try Steve do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:03 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Leading edge tape --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 1/22/2005 12:01:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, richard@bcchapel.org writes: > It works great on the portion of the > blade where it does not have to turn a tight corner. > Thanks Richard, If it wants to lift at the radius that might be ok, the water hammers it down pretty good. I will contact you off line. Steve do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:04 AM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Leading edge tape --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/prop.jpg Will Uribe El Paso, TX FireStar II N4GU C-172 N2506U http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ Do not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Leading edge tape > --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/21/2005 7:40:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, > possums@mindspring.com writes: > > > I would be a bit hesitant to use the thick SS tape at all. > > Had it installed on a warp drive prop on my old Firestar in 1995. > > After a few hours it had slipped down the tip of the blade a couple of > > inches. > > Did not notice it until I heard this unusual "whirring sound" while running > > up > > the engine one day. I > > Thanks, actually I saw your answer in the archives from years ago. The thick > stuff that was on my Ivo was probably 5 years old and was fine until I decided > to run a bungee cord through it. I would like to find the same stuff that was > originally used. It measures at .003 thick. > > Steve > do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:08 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" cockpit heater using a Rotax 503. It would | be nice to have some supplimental heat in my Mark II. | | Dale Gleason in SC Morning Dale/Gang: I use a Chilli Vest, 12VDC, digital electronic thermostat, with good results. Very simple to hook directly into your battery. If no battery, hook it directly into the 12VDC side of regulator/rectifier. Uses very little power and keeps me nice and toasty on coldest days. Here's the url for Sargents and the Chilli Vest. Price is now $179.95: http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm I've had mine for about 4 years now. Good quality and performer. john h ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:08 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Leading edge tape --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean True enough, it sure doesn't like that angle. I tried pre-bending it before removing the backing but it has a memory and still attempts to straighten itself. Next time I'll try a more aggressive approach with the prebend: a little heat and leave it compressed for a couple days before application. -BB On 21, Jan 2005, at 11:57 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > I have about 85 feet of this tape still on a roll in my garage. It > works > fine but does not stick down well. It does not like to make the acute > angle > turn at the tip of the blade and will start to lift after about 20 > hours or > three months, whichever comes first. It works great on the portion of > the > blade where it does not have to turn a tight corner. > Wanna buy some? Make ya a good deal... > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > At 07:41 PM 1/21/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England >> >> >> You might try 3M leading edge tape. Google links: >> http://www.google.com/search? >> hl=en&q=3m+leading+edge+tape&btnG=Google+Search > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:48 AM PST US From: "kfackler" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" > information on a cockpit heater >> I use a Chilli Vest John, et al: This looks like it won't do a thing for hands and feet, though. Also, MI is -much- colder than AL. How say you? -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:40 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" Also, MI | is -much- colder than AL. How say you? | | -Ken Fackler Ken/All: Depends on whether your hands and feet are attached to the rest of you. ;-) You guys know a lot more about "cold" than I do. I bought the Chilli Vest to fly to the Arctic in the summer time. Normal low temps then are 30 to 40F, coupled with terrific wind and rain. On my first flight up there, 1994, I had to layer clothes to stay warm. Had a hard time getting in and out of the airplane, I was bundled up so much. With the Chilli Vest I usually wear light weight thermals, polar fleece jacket, Chilli Vest, and leather flight jacket. Hands and feet stay warm in wool boot socks and hiking boots, and a pair of gortex lined leather shooting gloves. Most of the time I don't need the gloves on. Another secret is fly when the sun shines. Solar heat in th cockpit is great under those conditions. I didn't have those options and flew in all conditions. Another problem, way up north, is the angle of the sun is so low, the wing shades the cockpit, especially on a northerly heading. I think, for the most part, if you can keep your core temp up, the extremeties will also stay warm. However, I can not speak for the kinds of weather you all have in your part of the country. I think the beauty of the electric vest, there are also electric gloves and booties and pants, is the simplicity of installation. The vest weighs practically nothing including the wires and controller compared to what it takes to rig a hot air or hot water heater. I don't like the idea of hot water in the cockpit, and there's always the possibility of carbon monoxide invasion using hot air off the exhaust system. Maintenance has been zilch...........and reliability has been 100% so far with the vest. john h ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:16 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > information on a cockpit heater > > >> I use a Chilli Vest > > John, et al: > > This looks like it won't do a thing for hands and feet, though. Also, MI > is -much- colder than AL. How say you? I flew my Minimax in 20 degree weather with just snowmobiling clothes on. A heater shouldn't be to hard to fabricate on a 503 using a muff around the expansion chamber. Insulating the cockpit helps too. Heated snowmobile grips could be adapted to the stick also. As far as your cold tootsies Ken, you'll just have to take off the alligators and put on snowbooties. You'll still look cool.......;>) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:07 PM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge tape --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Hey Guys, On the subject of leading edge tape....wouldn't it be better to get away from it completly...Doesn't Hauck's "warp" prop have a nickel edge built into the leading edge...? I think it would be better to get the Right prop , rather than putting a bandaid on something that could jump up and bite you.... I'm suprised that John didn't bring it up already....What's the matter John already "Blue in the face" talking about it...He he he Well, their's my 2 cents.....DO NOT ARCHIVE Gotta Fly... Mike in Blizzard country My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... -- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:13 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge tape --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" better to get away from it completly...Doesn't Hauck's "warp" prop have a nickel edge built into the leading edge...? Hi Mike/Gang: Yep! I don't have any problems with my leading edge. Done a lot of heavy rain, rocks, etc., with no problem. Don't think I want to have the tape problem, especially on a flight away from home. john h ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:39 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Hi, I have pictures of my cockpit heater available if anyone wants to email me off line and I will send them to you. It is made from aluminum and captures the air from the cooling shroud. Takes a bit to do, but is worth it. I will also do a photoshare as well. Larry, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "kfackler" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" > >> information on a cockpit heater > >>> I use a Chilli Vest > > John, et al: > > This looks like it won't do a thing for hands and feet, though. Also, MI > is -much- colder than AL. How say you? > > -Ken Fackler > Kolb Mark II / A722KWF > Rochester MI > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:59 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" I just submitted a photoshare to the list, not sure when it will be posted. Larry, Oregon ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:29 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge tape --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com In a message dated 1/22/2005 5:30:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, planecrazzzy@lycos.com writes: > Hey Guys, > On the subject of leading edge tape....wouldn't it be better to get > away from it completly...Doesn't Hauck's "warp" prop have a nickel edge built > into the leading edge...? > Sounds like a good idea, Is anyone running one on a 447 firefly? Steve