---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/24/05: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: cold seizure (Ted C) 2. 07:19 AM - Re: cold flying (Steve Kroll) 3. 07:40 AM - 582 fuel burn? (Neitzel) 4. 09:11 AM - Re: cold flying (PATRICK LADD) 5. 09:28 AM - Dennis Souder... (Jeremy Casey) 6. 09:49 AM - Classic construction (PATRICK LADD) 7. 09:52 AM - Re: Mark III 582 fuel burn? (The Kuffels) 8. 10:31 AM - Re: heaters (PATRICK LADD) 9. 11:21 AM - You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album 2.0 Starter Edition (PATRICK LADD) 10. 11:42 AM - 447 Clutch Combo (N27SB@aol.com) 11. 12:59 PM - Re: Dennis Souder... (John Hauck) 12. 01:13 PM - Re: Mark III 582 fuel burn? (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd) 13. 01:38 PM - Re: ultrastar jig (woody) 14. 03:11 PM - Re: heaters (John Hauck) 15. 03:31 PM - Re: heaters (Kirk Smith) 16. 03:39 PM - Re: heaters (Rusty) 17. 03:40 PM - Documents for selling experimental (Neitzel) 18. 04:32 PM - Re: Documents for selling experimental (John Williamson) 19. 04:47 PM - GPS For Sale (John Williamson) 20. 04:49 PM - Re: heaters (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 21. 05:03 PM - Re: Help! (bryan green) 22. 05:18 PM - Re: heaters (Kirk Smith) 23. 05:19 PM - Re: heaters (Steve Garvelink) 24. 05:22 PM - Re: heaters (Gary r. voigt) 25. 05:39 PM - Re: heaters (Bob N.) 26. 05:41 PM - Short Flight Legs and Frequent Urination (John Hauck) 27. 05:45 PM - Re: heaters (Bob N.) 28. 07:04 PM - Re: heaters (ul15rhb@juno.com) 29. 07:56 PM - Re: Kolbra Update (Jerry Curtin) 30. 08:49 PM - cold flying (Steve Kroll) 31. 09:22 PM - Goat u/l glider (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:09 AM PST US From: Ted C Subject: Kolb-List: Re: cold seizure --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted C Glad you all have enjoyed my spelling "fart". I even looked it up and still spelled it wrong. I guess my little brain figured as long as I was spelling it wrong, might as well get the word before it wrong too. Funny how it is almost impossible to proof read a mistake your brain makes. Easy to find when your fingers do it. Anyway, my main concern was for 'cold seizures'. I know how to prevent them down here mostly but up in the 'cold north' was my interest. Will add the Kolb related info: My SlingShot 582 being pushed with an IVO loves it at 5800 @ 5 gph burn. (78/80mph) If I push it up as when I flew with the "Hawk", to 6000/6100, (85/88 mph) it gobbled up at 5.5 gph. If I stay down at around 5400 or so, (approx. 75 mph) it will consume about 4.5 gph. I have a friend with another SlingShot 582 with a warp drive prop and his performance, climb, speed and gph is WAY better than mine especially when we are loaded for camping and cruis'n high in the heat. Anybody else have such good results with actual knowledge of the difference in the props? Am thinking of changing props if the difference is that great. I have heard that the vibration from Warp is more distinguished. Ted Cowan, Alabama. mea culpa on my speeling. p.s. I am FROM Michigan. As far from as I can stay. 37 years in that place and never looking back. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:23 AM PST US From: Steve Kroll Subject: Re: Kolb-List: cold flying --> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll List, John's idea of the "Chili" vest sounds real good to me. We get cold weather here in North Texas too but it is some of the smoothest air we get all year. Also, the climb performance of the 503 is amazing when the mercury dips low. Since we don't get much in the way of snow here, winter is a great time to fly if you can protect from the cold. I'm busy presently cutting lexan for the only part of my airplane (Mk-2) that is open to the weather (the windows aft of the canopy). With those installed (velcro) and a "Chili" vest, I expect my airplane to be toasty on a cold day. With respect to carb icing, I've never experienced it (yet) with the Rotax but we've been having discussions about it at my hangar. I'd be interested in hearing more from those that have and what they have done to correct, or at least minimize the problem. Steve K. Do not archive --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:44 AM PST US From: "Neitzel" Subject: Kolb-List: 582 fuel burn? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Neitzel" Howdy John I have a Mark III Classic with a 582, three blade IVO with an empty weight of 540. When I put my M3 in the air for the first time last June, I wanted to get the most air time for the buck so have done 99% of my flying at reduced power settings. I take off at full throttle, but when I reach 3000 feet, (1200 AGL around here) I pull it back to 5000. This results in an IAS around 48 and fuel burn of 3.4 GPH. My longest flight was around 2+15 and still had fuel enough for a couple of T&G's when I got to home plate. I read with interest the other posts concerning fuel burn on the 582. The 5 to 6 GPH at 75% power settings sounds right on the money. Some of there other comments about operating at reduced power settings I don't happen to agree with. Since in a two stroke the majority of wear occurs in the pistons and cylinders operating at a reduced RPM reduces the piston speed, hence reducing wear. At the 50 hour point I removed the exhaust to lubricate the ball joints which gave me an opportunity to put light and a mirror up in the cylinders. There was virtually no carbon build up, no observable wear (difficult to tell with out putting a micrometer on the piston but could see no scuffing or other indications of wear) and the rings were moving freely in the lands. Then there is the highly debatable question of, which is the better oil to use? That debate has raged over the Kolb list since day one and will probably never be settled. There are guys that have used nothing but petroleum based oils and others that swear by the synthetics. I know a outboard motor mechanic and have based my decision on using synthetic on what he has told me. He says that if he has to go into the top end of an outboard that has been run on synthetic, there is virtually no carbon build up. I switched my 582 over to synthetic after the initial break in. That also necessitates changing the rotary valve oil as it needs to be the same oil that is run in the injection system. Hope this helps Dick Neitzel N961WB dickandjudy@frontiernet.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:01 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: cold flying --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" With respect to carb icing, I've never experienced it (yet) with the Rotax but we've been having discussions about it at my hangar.>> Hi Steve As you probably know icing forms in the carb venturi. The usual way of dealing with the problem is to divert warm air to that point but this unfortunately lowers the efficiency and consequently has to be switched on and off. We have a company here in the UK which has tackled the problem by heating the carb itself. Therefore the problems are eliminated. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:24 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: Kolb-List: Dennis Souder... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" Does Dennis Souder still watch this list? Does anyone have a current email list for Dennis? Thanks in advance... Jeremy Casey Former and now current Kolb builder... ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:03 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Kolb-List: Classic construction --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" Hi all, All going well with the building of my Extra. Jabiru engine has had to be ordered although it is not yet approved for use on the Kolb. Relying on Kiwimick to get the Jab/Kolb combination through the paperwork before fitting time arrives or I shall have an unusable Jab engine and shall have to fit a Rotax 582 to complete. As I specifically wanted to get away from 2 strokes I shall not be pleased. I have my registration letters confirmed. They are G-PLAD. Has anyone got pics or explanations of their instrument panel set up?. That Pod and Plinth design surely restricts the choice. Where do you put the GPS and radio for instance? Any ideas gratefully received. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:40 AM PST US From: The Kuffels Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III 582 fuel burn? --> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels Richard, <> <<65 / 4.5 = 14.4444 .. 80 / 5.5 = 14.5454>> Don't beat yourself up too badly. You are equally efficient at either speed. To see this do a rudimentary error sensitivity analysis. Assume your fuel flows are off by 1/10th of a gallon, then your miles per gallon could be: 65/4.4 = 14.8 65/4.6 = 14.1 or 80/5.6 = 14.3 80/5.4 = 14.8 This is only a 2% error in fuel flow and zero error in airspeed. Anyone who thinks it is easy to get better than 2% data needs to take a physics lab course. Clearly all we can say from this information is you get slightly better than 14 mpg at either airspeed. Tom Kuffel Whitefish, MT Building Original FireStar ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:14 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" I think, for the most part, if you can keep your core temp up, the extremeties will also stay warm. Hi John, If I remember correctly from my sub aqua days the body tries to maintain its temperature by sacrificing the extremities first. Fingers, toes, then hands and feet, then arms and legs etc., Cheers Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:46 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Kolb-List: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album 2.0 Starter Edition 0.44 FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGS Outlook can't send HTML in this format 0.26 UPPERCASE_25_50 message body is 25-50% uppercase --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" Download Photoshop(R) Album 2.0 Starter Edition free to create your own photo slideshows! http://www.adobe.com/getstarteredition ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:18 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: 447 Clutch Combo --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com Has anyone out there ever tried running their 447 Firefly with a clutch? Steve WetFly #007 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:50 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dennis Souder... --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" | Does Dennis Souder still watch this list? Does anyone have a current | email list for Dennis? flykolb@pa.net ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:52 PM PST US From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III 582 fuel burn? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" Hi John, Our old Xtra 582 was burning about 19 litres per hour at 65 Kt flown 2 up, the rear is enclosed with lexan. Mike Xtra/Jab 2200 G-CDFA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jung" Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III 582 fuel burn? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung > > Mark III drivers, > > I asked this question a few days ago and got no > response. Also, checked the archive for "gph" and only > found data from John Hauck. > > How much does a 582 on a Mark III burn and at what > cruise speed? > > I was flying with Arizona Dave last week and he was > burning 5 to 5.5 gph at 60 mph. It just seemed like > too much fuel for the speed and I was wondering if > there isn't a problem there somewhere. Is this nornal? > John Hauck did better when he had a 582, but he also > has the back enclosed. > > John Jung > > > __________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:32 PM PST US From: "woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar jig --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" Building a "One off " frame does not require a jig. Take your time and position parts carefully and you should be okay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron wehba" Subject: Kolb-List: ultrastar jig > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" > > had to sell my ultrastar a while back, anyone have any pictures of a jig which a us was built from? have plans and i can build one, but am just asking/looking. > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:58 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" maintain its | temperature by sacrificing the extremities first. | | Pat Pat/Gang: That is why I wear a Chilli Vest. Keeps my core temp roasty toasty and my extremities stay warm without getting sacrificed. BTW the Chilli Vest is a British product. Works much better than Lucas electrical products. However, I do like Lucas Diesel Injectors. They work great in the old Cummins. john h ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:52 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" . Keeps my core temp roasty toasty > and my extremities stay warm without getting sacrificed. Now if we could figure out a heat exchanger for our bladders. And a place to mount it.......;o) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:10 PM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Now if we could figure out a heat exchanger for our bladders. And a place to mount it.......;o) Do not archive ------------------------ As many hour as John has on his plane (and bladder), I'm afraid he'll have a few suggestions for this problem :-) Rusty (two planes, neither fly, engine parts everywhere, evicted from my hanger for repairs) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:53 PM PST US From: "Neitzel" Subject: Kolb-List: Documents for selling experimental --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Neitzel" Some time ago someone posted a site where one could retrieve legal documents covering the sale of an experimental aircraft. I poked around in the archives but came up empty. Does anyone remember where they can be found? Thanks in advance Dick Mark III Classic ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:41 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Documents for selling experimental --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Dick, The paper work to sell a registered experimental airplane is: Bill of Sale: http://registry.faa.gov/docs/8050-2.pdf The new owner will have to fill out: 8050-1 - Aircraft Registration Application. (This form not available online. Only an original form will be accepted. To request a copy of this form, contact your local FSDO). If the airplane has not ever been registered, then go to this site: http://www.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/av-info/dst/amateur/default.htm John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:39 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: GPS For Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Listers, I have a well traveled but still very good Garmin GPSIII Pilot for sale. All the manuals, a Power Data Cable (shortened), and a PC Interface Cable are in the original box. I have gone to a Garmin Color GPS, so this one is excess. The first $260 will buy it and have it shipped anywhere in the lower 48 states. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:31 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" At Oshkosh last summer we were sitting around hanger flying next to our planes. We got around to talking about relief tubes for that purpose. It seems like one could be hooked up if the need was great enough. One of our group was stationed on a aircraft carrier during Vet Nam and grumbled about the fun of cleaning the relief tube system after use. On one occasion he plugged the relief tube on a flight with bubble gum. At the time we found this VERY funny. One thought would be to run the relief tube down the fuselage tube and out the back. As I think about this more it seems like the cockpit is kind of a low pressure area. I plugged the fuselage tube on my MKIII in order to cut down on the wind tunnel of cold air that used to blast forward up the fuselage tube in the winter. Seems like some one needs to test out a system that might work. I think I will stick with a relief bottle till one gets worked out. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > . Keeps my core temp roasty toasty >> and my extremities stay warm without getting sacrificed. > > Now if we could figure out a heat exchanger for our bladders........;o) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:20 PM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Help! --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green No website, phone number for J Bird is 262-626-2611 Bryan Green Elgin SC Dale Sellers wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" > >Can anyone tell me how to contact J-Bird? Do they have a website? I need some UltraStar parts. > >Dale Sellers >Georgia UltraStar >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:53 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" . Seems like some one needs to test out a system > that might work. I think I will stick with a relief bottle till one gets > worked out. Perhaps John could add some extra coils to the chili vest to pull the heat off the fluid before it exits the , should I say cockpit? Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:43 PM PST US From: "Steve Garvelink" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" Glider pilots flying wave take along super absorbent diapers for this purpose. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Martha Neilsen Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" At Oshkosh last summer we were sitting around hanger flying next to our planes. We got around to talking about relief tubes for that purpose. It seems like one could be hooked up if the need was great enough. One of our group was stationed on a aircraft carrier during Vet Nam and grumbled about the fun of cleaning the relief tube system after use. On one occasion he plugged the relief tube on a flight with bubble gum. At the time we found this VERY funny. One thought would be to run the relief tube down the fuselage tube and out the back. As I think about this more it seems like the cockpit is kind of a low pressure area. I plugged the fuselage tube on my MKIII in order to cut down on the wind tunnel of cold air that used to blast forward up the fuselage tube in the winter. Seems like some one needs to test out a system that might work. I think I will stick with a relief bottle till one gets worked out. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > . Keeps my core temp roasty toasty >> and my extremities stay warm without getting sacrificed. > > Now if we could figure out a heat exchanger for our bladders........;o) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:50 PM PST US From: "Gary r. voigt" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary r. voigt" you guys are making it to hard on yourselfs....i just fly an hour or so....land and use the bathroom...fly somemore....simple as that. usually one knows if they need to go to the bathroom or not at 1 hr. in advance i would think. my opinion. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" > > At Oshkosh last summer we were sitting around hanger flying next to our > planes. We got around to talking about relief tubes for that purpose. It > seems like one could be hooked up if the need was great enough. One of our > group was stationed on a aircraft carrier during Vet Nam and grumbled about > the fun of cleaning the relief tube system after use. On one occasion he > plugged the relief tube on a flight with bubble gum. At the time we found > this VERY funny. > > One thought would be to run the relief tube down the fuselage tube and out > the back. As I think about this more it seems like the cockpit is kind of a > low pressure area. I plugged the fuselage tube on my MKIII in order to cut > down on the wind tunnel of cold air that used to blast forward up the > fuselage tube in the winter. Seems like some one needs to test out a system > that might work. I think I will stick with a relief bottle till one gets > worked out. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIc > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirk Smith" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > > > . Keeps my core temp roasty toasty > >> and my extremities stay warm without getting sacrificed. > > > > Now if we could figure out a heat exchanger for our bladders........;o) > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:47 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." re: recovering heat from bladders In the Midwest in the Twenties, there was a large network of light rail cars, called interurbans. Each head car had a motorman and sometimes a conductor/ticket taker. Some runs were pretty long, plus the motorman had to stay at the controls at the end/turnaround points. Relief was few and far between, so the men were equipped with what was called The Motorman's Pal (or Friend). Suffice to say that this device enabled urine to be captured via an attachment, tubing and a long bag, hidden in a pant's leg. Prewar Sears sold these, illustrated in their catalogs. The device was recently updated for very long surveillance flights, and of course astronauts. The point here is that the body heat from this effluvium could be circulated in a network of small tubing, placed around legs and feet. Now only your arms are cold! Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:33 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Short Flight Legs and Frequent Urination --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" usually | one knows if they need to go to the bathroom or not at 1 hr. in advance i | would think. my opinion. | | Gary Hi Gary/Gang: Some of the problem is physical, some psychological. Age has a lot to do with "frequency". If I stay away from coffee and Diet Pepsi, and other caffeine containing drinks, I do much better for endurance. However, the senario is usually rough air, cold temps, infrequent airfields with the next one no closer than an hour away. Couldn't tell you how many airstrips from here to Barrow that I have landed on the approach end, got out, relieved myself, hopped back in, and departed back on course. The urgency to urinate can lead to other more serious problems than wetting your pants. It takes away from ones concentration, making it easy to make mistakes and bad decisions. I stayed on Saw Palmetto capsules for about three years. Reduced the urgency and frequency to urinate. Did not have to get out of bed a half dozen times at night. Got off them about a year ago and still doing good. When I cross country, I like to land every hour or so anyhow. Unlike my friend John Williamson who can fly half a day without going. Of course, when one flies with him, he thinks you have the same or better endurance than he does. hehehe Can not wait until it is time to start doing some serious cross country flights again. BTW: I changed the subject line to reflect the current discussion. john h ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:10 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." re: Relief Tubes One sure way of a mechanic's getting back at a too-demanding pilot, was to turn around forward the part of the relief tube protruding from the belly. The ram effect was somewhat disconcerting. Blast from the past. Bob N. do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:04 PM PST US From: "ul15rhb@juno.com" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: heaters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" -- "Steve Garvelink" wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" Glider pilots flying wave take along super absorbent diapers for this purpose. Probably want to stay away from a glider pilot after a long trip :) do not archive Ralph Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:56 PM PST US From: "Jerry Curtin" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolbra Update --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" Hi John, can you take a pic of the back of the Garmin so we can see how you mounted it? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolbra Update > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > Since Ms Dixie can send an update, I figure I could do the same. > > A simple engine swap has turned into putting new windows in and a new > instrument panel. > > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/100_3188.JPG > > I hope to be back in the air before Sun'NFun 2005. > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:11 PM PST US From: Steve Kroll Subject: Kolb-List: cold flying --> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll List: Ken I hope you don't mind I share this conver with the list. You had some good ideas and I would like to get some feedback from the guys on the Goat ultralight glider for which I have provided the link to below. Steve Kroll Do Not Archive Ken, Ironic...you moved to Michigan 30 years ago and I moved FROM Michigan 34 years ago. I came down to Ft Hood iin the draft in 1967. Did two years at Ft. Hood in the First Armored Division Band and then back to Michigan in 69 to work. I had a girlfriend in Dallas when I left who I met at the University of Texas in Austin and we dated long distance for awhile but broke up in 1971.... but not before I met my wife to be (another Texas girl..living in Dallas) We were married that same year and lived in Dallas...then Carrollton...then I moved to Denton in 76 to attend North Texas State University for a degree in music. I'm still in Denton and fly out of Birddog field west of Krum (it may still be on the sectional but probably as Sackett's Vintage Flying Field and it's about about 15 miles west of Denton. My parents still live in Michigan in summer months in a place called Charlevoix (50 miles north of Traverse City on the lake) where I grew up and I have property (a camper on a wooded lot) up there and spend the summer months up there with them. I have an aunt in Rochester and another in Troy. Small world huh? As to the velcro windows on the Mk-2, they are surface mount with velcro all around including the leading edge (on the windscreen arc) and the leading edge tucks neatly under the main canopy for a dang near air-tight enclosure. I think it will work great but you're right, the quality of the velcro needs to be quite good to stick properly on the fabric. Your Yankee flying brother in Texas, Steve kfackler wrote: > John's idea of the "Chili" vest sounds real good to me. We get cold weather here in North Texas too North Texas!! You're in North Texas? Whereabouts? I moved to Michigan after 30 years in Dallas. Well, the southern 'burbs anyway, but what's the difference? Shoot, I learned to fly at Grand Prairie Muni! >>(the windows aft of the canopy). With those installed (velcro) A word of caution here. I have an acquaintance who flies a T-bird (gasp, shudder) and his rear windows were/are affixed with velcro. This last summer, during a takeoff, one of them "blew out" and went thru his prop. Cost him several weeks of downtime (and plenty of moolah) during prime flying season. Seems the velcro didn't give out, the glue holding the velcro strips did! > With respect to carb icing, I've never experienced it (yet) with the Rotax but we've been having discussions about it at my hangar. I'd be interested in hearing more from those that have and what they have done to correct, or at least minimize the problem. I've had it, on about 3 occasions. As to corrective measures, it's to be more aware of the temp/dewpoint spread and not fly. I don't like the idea/expense of trying for carb heat on the 503. When it's happened, I've just worked the throttle like crazy trying to knock the ice loose. It's worked so far, the only time the engine quit was one time just -after- I got it on the ground. I've been told that another useful measure is to turn TOWARD your carbs, which will draft some of the warm air from the engine over them. It has seemed that the times I've had it happen I've been circling the other way. -Ken --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:15 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Goat u/l glider --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I posted some pictures of the goat and the bug in our chapter newsletter last year, I think they would be great if you had a good place to fly them. rp At 08:48 PM 1/24/2005 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll > >List: > >Ken I hope you don't mind I share this conver with the list. You had some >good ideas and I would like to get some feedback from the guys on the Goat >ultralight glider for which I have provided the link to below. > >Steve Kroll