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1. 05:16 AM - Re: Amphibious Floats (N27SB@aol.com)
2. 06:24 AM - q (russ kinne)
3. 07:45 AM - Re: Amphibious Floats (Richard Pike)
4. 09:17 AM - Re: Amphibious Floats (Frank Reynen)
5. 12:21 PM - Re: Amphibious Floats (HShack@aol.com)
6. 02:59 PM - Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
7. 03:31 PM - Re: Monument Valley (John Williamson)
8. 03:56 PM - Re: Monument Valley Pictures (Bruce fletcher)
9. 05:09 PM - Carb Ice (Richard S. Bezzard)
10. 05:23 PM - Re: Amphibious Floats (robert bean)
11. 06:13 PM - wing fold pins (al bumhoffer)
12. 06:17 PM - Re: Monument Valley (John Hauck)
13. 08:23 PM - wing fold pins (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
14. 11:53 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Amphibious Floats |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 2/1/2005 1:53:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kevin-jones@snet.net writes:
> I have recently purchased Rob Aiksnoras' Mark III and would like to add
> amphibious floats to it. Do you have any words of advice for me?
> Kevin Jones
>
>
Hi Kevin, I worked on the TNK factory amphib float for about a year. Last
July Norm Labhardt flew them on the factory MKIIIX several times. Despite the
fact that they performed well the project was put on hold pending funding. With
the tragic loss of Norm and the factory Xtra this hold has deepened. However
there are other options, check out Frank Reynen and his Full Lotus. Also Czech
Float has an impressive amphib combo.
Take a look at www.tnkolbaircraft.com and you will see the FireFly on Czech
Floats.
My advise is to take a hard look as to if you need amphib. There is a high
price to pay for full amphib in weight, cost and complexity. The folding ability
of the Kolb work well with the concept of keeping your Kolb at home and
launching it at a lake when you want to fly. I am currently flying the FireFly
on
Czech Floats and I would be happy to tell you what I am learning. The
configuration on the FireFly would also work on the MKIII.
Steve Boetto
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
In re off-airport landings -- as I understand it, they're legal if 1.
SAFE, and 2. "with landowner's permission "
Of course behind a diner or gas station there's no way to know who owns
the land but if you don't do crazy things there's usually no problem.
We used to have breakfast-flights of 8 or 10 aircraft; in the winter
we'd land on a frozen lake next to a coffee shop. Great fun . Someone
took a picture that showed 7 planes, one of them a light twin. The
Friendlies saw this and passed the word "CUT IT OUT!" so of course we
did. But they were warning us,
in a nice way, that they were ready to crucify someone if we didn't
quit.
I'm still not sure how or even if it was illegal, but they're in charge
and they know it.
Russ Kinne
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| Subject: | Re: Amphibious Floats |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Don't know if this qualifies as advice or not, but anyway -
Have had one lesson on floats, a Maxair Drifter with only a single carb 503
to push it. Was at Sebring Florida, a number of years ago. The
owner/instructor had installed two Full Lotus floats and a quick removable
landing gear. It could be lowered, raised, or left behind at the waters edge.
Anyway, what he told me at the time was that without the landing gear
along, the airplane flew a lot better. So he chose the minor inconvenience
of removing and leaving the gear behind when ever he flew off water in
exchange for better performance. Made sense, the Drifter with floats and no
landing gear was not bad, climb rate two up with the 46 hp 503 was probably
about 400' a minute, plenty good enough for flat country, and it had no
trouble getting off the water.
Don't know how they compare with other floats, but the Full Lotus's gave a
cushy ride across a big lake with the sort of small waves you get from an 8
-10 mph wind.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 01:52 AM 2/1/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kevin-jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
>
> I have recently purchased Rob Aiksnoras' Mark III and would like to
> add amphibious floats to it. Do you have any words of advice for me?
>Kevin Jones
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Amphibious Floats |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frank Reynen" <frank_reynen@ix.netcom.com>
Kevin,
As Steve and Richard indicated, the Full Lotus floats have several
advantages that I like.
I have the Full Lotus amphib setup on the MKIII/912.
see www.webcom.com/reynen
I mostly fly from the water and leave the wheels behind unless I visit some
nearby grass airport
You do not indicate what engine is on the MKIII you want to equip with
floats.
I used to have a 582 but switched to the 912 for better range and
performance with two up.
e-mail me at frank-reynen@ix.netcom.com or call 408-253-2149 if you want
more info.
BTW; my MKIII will go up for sale in about a month from now.
Frank Reynen
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From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Amphibious Floats
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Don't know if this qualifies as advice or not, but anyway -
> Have had one lesson on floats, a Maxair Drifter with only a single carb
503
> to push it. Was at Sebring Florida, a number of years ago. The
> owner/instructor had installed two Full Lotus floats and a quick removable
> landing gear. It could be lowered, raised, or left behind at the waters
edge.
>
> Anyway, what he told me at the time was that without the landing gear
> along, the airplane flew a lot better. So he chose the minor inconvenience
> of removing and leaving the gear behind when ever he flew off water in
> exchange for better performance. Made sense, the Drifter with floats and
no
> landing gear was not bad, climb rate two up with the 46 hp 503 was
probably
> about 400' a minute, plenty good enough for flat country, and it had no
> trouble getting off the water.
>
> Don't know how they compare with other floats, but the Full Lotus's gave a
> cushy ride across a big lake with the sort of small waves you get from an
8
> -10 mph wind.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> do not archive
>
>
> At 01:52 AM 2/1/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kevin-jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
> >
> > I have recently purchased Rob Aiksnoras' Mark III and would like to
> > add amphibious floats to it. Do you have any words of advice for me?
> >Kevin Jones
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Amphibious Floats |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 2/1/2005 1:53:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kevin-jones@snet.net writes:
I have recently purchased Rob Aiksnoras' Mark III and would like to add
amphibious floats to it. Do you have any words of advice for me?
Kevin Jones
Check out our website www.trentonflyers.com
Click on "members" & then " Robert Broadwell" to see the prettiest Mk III
float plane.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Guys,
I finally got to talk to Virgil, the manager of the Tribal Park. I explained
that many of the Ultralight people had in fact paid the admission to the park
because we toured it after we flew over it. I also commented (not threatened)
that some of us questioned their authority to charge for using airspace under
FAA control. He was polite and did not comment on the FAA question but stated
that they charge everyone $5 per day per person and could not give us a group
rate or reduction or anything. He also commented that they charge some flyers
(balloonist, etc.) $50 to fly over their land. I didn't understand his
explanation but didn't pursue it. In talking to him, it occurred to me that we
ain't gonna win this one and arguing would just cause pissed off feelings.
As far as I'm concerned, this is where it ends. I'm going to go to the Tribal
Park and pay my two or three day's fees in advance. Of course, every one can
do as he/she likes but my thought is that if I have an engine out, I'd sure
like to have a piece of paper that says I've paid when I'm trying to get my plane
out. Also, I asked how they could monitor the flying. He replied that he
lives only 1/4 mile from the airstrip and sees what is going on there. Sure,
I guess we can fly without paying (whether or not their charge is "legal") and
flip them a bird as we fly by, but then what have we won if we come back next
year and find that they've petitioned the FAA to make it a 2,000' minimum altitude?
Also, I remind you that there is no connection between Goulding's and the Tribal
Park. They are two separate and distinct businesses.
AzDave
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
AzDave and all,
Dave, thanks for the leg work. We will just have to do whatever we have to
do to feel comfortable while flying in that ugly part of the southwest.
So far I have a list of 25 people and 11 airplanes that have expressed their
interest in the 2005 Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley.
If you might be at MV and haven't sent me your intentions, please do.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce fletcher <bwfbwf55441@yahoo.com>
Question, what is the best video camera for taking
picture of places like MVV from a Kolb??
Bruce
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve
> Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Guys,
>
> I finally got to talk to Virgil, the manager of
> the Tribal Park. I explained that many of the
> Ultralight people had in fact paid the admission to
> the park because we toured it after we flew over it.
> I also commented (not threatened) that some of us
> questioned their authority to charge for using
> airspace under FAA control. He was polite and did
> not comment on the FAA question but stated that they
> charge everyone $5 per day per person and could not
> give us a group rate or reduction or anything. He
> also commented that they charge some flyers
> (balloonist, etc.) $50 to fly over their land. I
> didn't understand his explanation but didn't pursue
> it. In talking to him, it occurred to me that we
> ain't gonna win this one and arguing would just
> cause pissed off feelings.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, this is where it ends.
> I'm going to go to the Tribal Park and pay my two or
> three day's fees in advance. Of course, every one
> can do as he/she likes but my thought is that if I
> have an engine out, I'd sure like to have a piece of
> paper that says I've paid when I'm trying to get my
> plane out. Also, I asked how they could monitor the
> flying. He replied that he lives only 1/4 mile from
> the airstrip and sees what is going on there. Sure,
> I guess we can fly without paying (whether or not
> their charge is "legal") and flip them a bird as we
> fly by, but then what have we won if we come back
> next year and find that they've petitioned the FAA
> to make it a 2,000' minimum altitude?
>
> Also, I remind you that there is no connection
> between Goulding's and the Tribal Park. They are
> two separate and distinct businesses.
>
> AzDave
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
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>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard S. Bezzard" <KNOTSOFAST@usadatanet.net>
Hi Gang
Pilots here at Smoketown Pa. Airport pre flight their aircraft by
draining all fuel sumps. This means for all practical purposes no water
in the fuel. They are still susceptible to carb icing because of
moisture in the atmosphere and temperature combine to cause it. That is
why on down wind you pull on carb heat. I fly a 447 Fire Fly and had the
engine slow throttled back on down wind. By opening and closing the
throttle a few times it cleared. So don`t always blame water in the fuel
which causes more fuel starvation than carb icing.
Just my two cents.
Dick Bezzard Lancaster, Pa.
knotsofast@usadatanet.net
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| Subject: | Re: Amphibious Floats |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Shack, it takes some doing to arouse the envy monster in me,
but that glossy critter sure did the job. (drool, slurp)
-BB do not archive
On 1, Feb 2005, at 3:20 PM, HShack@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/1/2005 1:53:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> kevin-jones@snet.net writes:
> I have recently purchased Rob Aiksnoras' Mark III and would like to add
> amphibious floats to it. Do you have any words of advice for me?
> Kevin Jones
>
>
> Check out our website www.trentonflyers.com
>
> Click on "members" & then " Robert Broadwell" to see the prettiest
> Mk III
> float plane.
>
> Howard Shackleford
> FS II
> SC
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: al bumhoffer <abumhoffer@yahoo.com>
On the subject of wing fold pins, I welded a 3/4 inch
bolt to the end of each pin and use a threaded rod
connector mounted on the end of an aluminiun tube to
insert the pins into the horizontal hole. Once the
pin is in, just unscrew rhe rod, On the other end of
the tube is mounted a hook that I use to pull the pins
out. Al Bumhoffer, Elkton, MI, Firestar II
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http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
to the Tribal Park and pay my two or three day's fees in advance. Of
course, every one can do as he/she likes but my thought is that if I
have an engine out, I'd sure like to have a piece of paper that says
I've paid when I'm trying to get my plane out. | AzDave
AzDave/Gang:
I don't have a problem with that. Like you, I'll pay my money in
advance, get me a paid receipt, and be covered in the event I have an
untimely, unplanned landing on their property.
See ya'll out there about the end of May.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
If you go to photo share, you'll see two examples of wing fold pins for April 24,
2004.
AzDave
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