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1. 07:22 AM - Re: life insurance (jerb)
2. 08:07 AM - Fathers Day Fly-in (terry)
3. 08:40 AM - Re: life insurance (Kirk Smith)
4. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: Hanger space is hard to find (jerb)
5. 08:51 AM - Engine Overspeed/No Load Starts (John Hauck)
6. 10:03 AM - Re: Engine Overspeed/No Load Starts (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
7. 10:21 AM - Re: Engine Overspeed/No Load Starts (John Hauck)
8. 10:27 AM - Engine out (flykolb)
9. 10:42 AM - [ Ellery Batchelder Jr ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
10. 10:44 AM - [ Steven Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
11. 10:46 AM - [ B.W. Tuton ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
12. 11:52 AM - Re: Hanger space is hard to find (WillUribe@aol.com)
13. 12:11 PM - Re: Engine out (ron wehba)
14. 02:54 PM - Re: Fathers Day Fly-in (kfackler)
15. 03:11 PM - Re: Engine out (Giovanni Day)
16. 03:14 PM - Re: life insurance (Vann Covington)
17. 03:20 PM - Re: Engine out (Masqqqqqqq@aol.com)
18. 03:42 PM - Re: Engine out (John Hauck)
19. 04:38 PM - Re: Fathers Day Fly-in (terry)
20. 05:26 PM - Re: Engine out (John Cooley)
21. 05:48 PM - Re: sportplanevm (John Cooley)
22. 06:13 PM - Re: Fathers Day Fly-in (Kolbdriver)
23. 06:15 PM - Re: Engine out (flykolb)
24. 06:47 PM - Fw: Engine out (Bill Vincent)
25. 07:11 PM - Re: Engine out (herbgh@juno.com)
26. 08:04 PM - Re: Engine out (Richard Pike)
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| Subject: | Re: life insurance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Check with AOPA. They were always sending me material for life
insurance. Normally a person buys that once or twice in their life. What
I needed was hangar and property liability insurance - could never get them
to understand that was a service we needed. After being a member for years
I got pissed and let them know why I elected not to renew because of it.
jerb
At 05:22 PM 2/3/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vann Covington" <vann_covington@ncsu.edu>
>
>I recently retired and got married and I am looking for some life
>insurance, but so far I cannot find any that will cover me while flying my
>fat Kolb KXP ultralight, and I don't want to take a chance on voiding the
>contract by not revealing that I fly. Does anyone out there have any
>suggestions. If I had had insurance before I started flying it wouldn't
>be a problem. Any suggestions, help, appreciated. Vann
>
>
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| Subject: | Fathers Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Kolbers,
I've been in contact with Homer and Clara Kolb regarding a repeat of last year's
Fathers Day
Fly-in at their farm. They responded that they would indeed like to see this happen
again
this year. One of the details that needs to be settled up front is which day to
schedule
for. Last year we scheduled it for the Saturday of that weekend so as to have
Sunday as a
back up for bad weather. They were wondering which day might suit most of you
that are
interested in participating because of possible work conflicts. I will keep a
tally of those
that respond to this question.
As you might recall, that is also the weekend for the fly-in at Shreveport North
(Footlight
Ranch) at Wellsville, Pa., which is an ultralight event. Can be used as a staging
point for
those coming from a distance and a chance to meet other UL'ers.
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: life insurance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
recently retired and got married and I am looking for some life
> >insurance, but so far I cannot find any that will cover me while flying
my
> >fat Kolb KXP ultralight, and I don't want to take a chance on voiding the
> >contract by not revealing that I fly. Does anyone out there have any
> >suggestions. If I had had insurance before I started flying it wouldn't
> >be a problem. Any suggestions, help, appreciated. Vann
You should be able to put a waiver in the policy that says they don't have
to pay if you're killed in a crash while flying this ultralight or any
others.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger space is hard to find |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Dennis,
Did you happen to come up with a picture of your wing folding cart. If
possible, one with the wings folded on it and another just by its
self. (You can send them to the Matronics photo share link listed at the
bottom of Kolb list messages or directly to me.) Would like to see how
this works.
Thanks,
jerb
At 07:09 PM 1/31/05 +0000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL
><Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
>
><< True, but can you fold it all by yourself of do you need the help of an
>innocent bystander? Pollus >>
>
>Pollus, and Kolb Gang -
>
>As you've seen by a few responses, several folks fold up their Kolbs after
>every flight all by themselves. This was on of the key design aspects that
>convinced me on choosing a Kolb.
>Takes me about 15 minutes to set up.
>One thing I did differently from the plans was the wing stow method.
>Instead of the rod-thru-the-tailboom method to secure folded wings, I copied
>what the glider guys do at my airfield and made a wheeled tail dolly with
>padded wing saddles. Makes it very easy to fold wings - no need to crawl
>underneath or contort the body in unnatural ways to get a wing pin
>installed.
>Tailwheel is off the ground when folded up - so the dolly doubles as a
>proper tailboom support for transporting. Easy to manuver the plane around
>on the ground.
>
>I'll post a picture of my tail dolly to Photoshare sometime soon ...
>
>Dennis Kirby
>MArk-III, Verner, Powerfin
>New Mexico
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine Overspeed/No Load Starts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
The engine will rev really fast and very high if not careful. This
standard operating procedure for testing newly overhauled 912's
Hi Paul/Gang:
Sounds good, but be extremely careful starting a 912 or 912S without a
prop. Like you said, it will overspeed in a wink. We had that
problem with the TH-55 helicopter trainers. Started them with the
main rotor disengaged. A little too much throttle and it was
overspeeded and in the red. This was a Red X condition and the
engines had to be torn down for inspection and repair. Got to be very
expensive at Fort Wolters, TX, in the late 60's.
I think I'll stick to the old way of doing it with a prop.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Overspeed/No Load Starts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
I will second that. When my VW reduction drive broke in flight I over revved
my engine and it didn't take but a few heart beats to hit 14,000RPMs and
even quicker to slow down. Now my VW cost me only app. $1800 parts and labor
for a total rebuild of all moving parts. But you 912 drivers would have to
dig a bit deeper in you pockets.
do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Engine Overspeed/No Load Starts
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> The engine will rev really fast and very high if not careful. This
> standard operating procedure for testing newly overhauled 912's
>
> Hi Paul/Gang:
>
> Sounds good, but be extremely careful starting a 912 or 912S without a
> prop. Like you said, it will overspeed in a wink.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Overspeed/No Load Starts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| for a total rebuild of all moving parts. But you 912 drivers would
have to
| dig a bit deeper in you pockets.
Rick/All:
Headed out the door to Gantt International Airport in beautiful
crystal clear blue skies, 61F, and a gentle breeze, to assist this old
man in his rusty take offs and landings. Plus, of course, some much
needed maintenance on airplane and engine. Haven't pulled the plane
out of the hanger since 30 Dec 04, when Tim Warlick and I had a
wonderful day of flying all over God's creation and the heart of
dixie. Wish I could have seen Tim's eyes when we went down between
the trees on a right base to land to the south with no wind. Stopped
in less than half field which is around 300 feet. Not bad for an old
airplane and pilot.
You have it right about high costs of Rotax parts. If I blew a crank
I could hang it up for a while. Same, same head, or even a cam shaft.
Thank goodness we are blessed with an engine with a great track
record. Seems the only time these items fail is primarily operator
error, i.e., loose an oil line and lose the crank. Over heat the CHT
and buy a head. Run the engine a good while without oil and buy a
cam. Keep a good cross check going on those engine instruments 912
drivers.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Beautiful day here in NC today! Flew over to a friend's grass strip this morning.
When I took off from his strip, I climbed to 2000 ft and reduced power. Engine
got very, very quiet.
Would not restart so did a dead stick landing (fortunately I was still next to
his strip and had lots of of altitude.
When I landed, I tried to restart with no success. But after about 3 minutes it
started right up. I taxied to his hanger, shut it off, and then restarted after
another 5 minutes. No problem.
I took off and circled his strip and everything was fine. I climbed to 4000 ft
and went back to my field with no more problems.
Any ideas?? Carb ice? Short in my kill stitches (had AC switches which I am changing
to DC)? Vapor lock?
????
Jim
Charlotte, NC
Mark III
Rotax 532
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| Subject: | [ Ellery Batchelder Jr ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Ellery Batchelder Jr <ElleryWeld@aol.com>
Subject: Snow skis for winter flying
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/ElleryWeld@aol.com.02.05.2005/index.html
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| Subject: | [ Steven Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Steven Green <sgreenpg@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Wing fold dolly for Kolb Mark III with handle.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/sgreenpg@bellsouth.net.02.05.2005/index.html
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| Subject: | [ B.W. Tuton ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: B.W. Tuton <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Florida Kolbing
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger space is hard to find |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Greetings,
Here are some pictures I have collected over the years.
http://members.aol.com/WillUribe/hanger/
Regards,
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jerb
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Hanger space is hard to find
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Dennis,
Did you happen to come up with a picture of your wing folding cart. If
possible, one with the wings folded on it and another just by its
self. (You can send them to the Matronics photo share link listed at the
bottom of Kolb list messages or directly to me.) Would like to see how
this works.
Thanks,
jerb
At 07:09 PM 1/31/05 +0000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL
><Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
>
><< True, but can you fold it all by yourself of do you need the help of an
>innocent bystander? Pollus >>
>
>Pollus, and Kolb Gang -
>
>As you've seen by a few responses, several folks fold up their Kolbs after
>every flight all by themselves. This was on of the key design aspects that
>convinced me on choosing a Kolb.
>Takes me about 15 minutes to set up.
>One thing I did differently from the plans was the wing stow method.
>Instead of the rod-thru-the-tailboom method to secure folded wings, I copied
>what the glider guys do at my airfield and made a wheeled tail dolly with
>padded wing saddles. Makes it very easy to fold wings - no need to crawl
>underneath or contort the body in unnatural ways to get a wing pin
>installed.
>Tailwheel is off the ground when folded up - so the dolly doubles as a
>proper tailboom support for transporting. Easy to manuver the plane around
>on the ground.
>
>I'll post a picture of my tail dolly to Photoshare sometime soon ...
>
>Dennis Kirby
>MArk-III, Verner, Powerfin
>New Mexico
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cox.net>
2 stroke'itis"
----- Original Message -----
From: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Engine out
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Beautiful day here in NC today! Flew over to a friend's grass strip this
> morning. When I took off from his strip, I climbed to 2000 ft and reduced
> power. Engine got very, very quiet.
>
> Would not restart so did a dead stick landing (fortunately I was still
> next to his strip and had lots of of altitude.
>
> When I landed, I tried to restart with no success. But after about 3
> minutes it started right up. I taxied to his hanger, shut it off, and then
> restarted after another 5 minutes. No problem.
>
> I took off and circled his strip and everything was fine. I climbed to
> 4000 ft and went back to my field with no more problems.
>
> Any ideas?? Carb ice? Short in my kill stitches (had AC switches which I
> am changing to DC)? Vapor lock?
>
> ????
>
> Jim
> Charlotte, NC
> Mark III
> Rotax 532
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fathers Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Where would this Father's Day Fly-in be?
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Jim et. al.,
I did the same thing once. Flew just after a failure that I had no
explanation for. Wish I hadn't. Bent up a quicksilver. I will not do that
again even if it means trailering the plane. The price for this lesson was
only airplane parts and not the pilot that time. Thank God almighty!!
Giovanni Day
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flykolb
Subject: Kolb-List: Engine out
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Beautiful day here in NC today! Flew over to a friend's grass strip this
morning. When I took off from his strip, I climbed to 2000 ft and reduced
power. Engine got very, very quiet.
Would not restart so did a dead stick landing (fortunately I was still next
to his strip and had lots of of altitude.
When I landed, I tried to restart with no success. But after about 3 minutes
it started right up. I taxied to his hanger, shut it off, and then restarted
after another 5 minutes. No problem.
I took off and circled his strip and everything was fine. I climbed to 4000
ft and went back to my field with no more problems.
Any ideas?? Carb ice? Short in my kill stitches (had AC switches which I am
changing to DC)? Vapor lock?
????
Jim
Charlotte, NC
Mark III
Rotax 532
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| Subject: | Re: life insurance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Vann Covington" <vann_covington@ncsu.edu>
Thanks for all your help about finding life insurance. While I don't plan
on kicking the bucket anytime soon, an airplane mishap is probably as likely
as any other. I can get a waiver, or pay about 100 more a month for the
additional coverage. First Colony has a policy that would cover me for
about 230/month.
Do not archive,
Vann
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: life insurance
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> recently retired and got married and I am looking for some life
>> >insurance, but so far I cannot find any that will cover me while flying
> my
>> >fat Kolb KXP ultralight, and I don't want to take a chance on voiding
>> >the
>> >contract by not revealing that I fly. Does anyone out there have any
>> >suggestions. If I had had insurance before I started flying it wouldn't
>> >be a problem. Any suggestions, help, appreciated. Vann
>
>
> You should be able to put a waiver in the policy that says they don't have
> to pay if you're killed in a crash while flying this ultralight or any
> others.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com
about 3 years ago, I had a series of mysterious engine outs with my
UltraStar powered by a 447 Rotax. It would quit, but after landing it would start
just fine. Couple flights later, engine out again.
Turns out it was the fuel line primer bulb. The check valves in it would
seal off the gas at times, but usually let it through. Was able to figure
this out when I finally had an engine out during a runup on the ground........I
saw the fuel lines pull themselves flat from the suction of the fuel pump.
I removed the primer bulb, and found it works just fine without it.
Takes a few extra pulls to prime it with the fuel pump, if I have let the tanks
drain out. Otherwise, the prime holds just fine.
I hope your problem is as simple as this, once you find it.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Was able to figure
| this out when I finally had an engine out during a runup on the
ground........I
| saw the fuel lines pull themselves flat from the suction of the fuel
pump.
Sorry, I do not know your name:
Normally, the primer bulb will collapse. Take a tremendous amount of
vacuum to collapse a urethane or neoprene fuel line.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Fathers Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
kfackler wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>
> Where would this Father's Day Fly-in be?
>
At Homer Kolb's farm where this all began for us!!!! Spring City, PA.
northeast of Philadelphia.
Terry - FireFly #95
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
> Turns out it was the fuel line primer bulb. The check valves in it
would
> seal off the gas at times, but usually let it through. Was able to figure
> this out when I finally had an engine out during a runup on the
ground........I
> saw the fuel lines pull themselves flat from the suction of the fuel pump.
> I removed the primer bulb, and found it works just fine without it.
Gang,
I know it's been posted on here before, but maybe some of the new guys
haven't seen it. The cure for this if you feel you need the primer bulb is
to put a bypass around the bulb. You can pinch the bypass with your fingers
while doing the priming. My Firestar with pull start is setup this way and
it works great.
My Twinstar has a electric start and I use a manual primer pump on it. I
have the suction side of the primer pump tee'd in the main fuel line as
close to the carbs as possible, that way the primer pump pulls gas almost
all the way to the carbs and then shoots the primer into the carbs. When the
engine fires it doesn't have to fill the main fuel line all the way from the
tanks.
Later,
John Cooley
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Paul and Gang,
My 912S has been sitting for 15 months with the oil drained out of it. Oil
still dribbles out now and again and I just keep paper towels plugged into
the oil lines to soak it up.
While you were in school that last day I came over for a while and Ronnie
told me I needed to pump some oil through the engine. It must have been
because of what you mention in your post about purging the system. Anyways,
my engine is sitting on the frame so I rigged up a funnel full of oil to the
suction side of my engine and put the return hose in a milk jug. Started
spinning the engine by hand (prop is on engine) and it didn't take this dumb
country boy long to figure out there had to be a better way. I took one of
the plugs out of each cylinder and she spun much easier (duh). I was wasting
time until I took the plugs out because the oil pump doesn't pump a lot of
volume and you have to spin it a good bit to pump a quart of oil through it.
Based on what you Eric Tucker said in your school I take it that my engine
should be ok. In hindsight, I wish I had been pumping the oil through it
every 6 months. It's really not that hard to do, just a little messy.
Later,
John Cooley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Petty
Subject: Kolb-List: sportplanevm
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Hi fellow kolbers,
Just received the 3rd edition of sport plane video magazine. In this edition
there is a Kolb shown flying and it looks a lot like Will Uribe's. Anyone
else receiving this video subscription?
As for Kolbra number 12 things are moving right along. I had to take time
off this past weekend to attend the second of 3 of the required courses to
become a repair station for the 912 and 914 series engines. If every thing
goes well tonight and tomorrow, we may fire the 912UL on the kolbra this
weekend. As a tip from the school, any of you that have 912 engines that are
in storage whether it be from building of just plain sitting, it is
recommended that you remove the plugs (for ease) and turn the prop 60 times
or RPM's to purge the system.This is standard for any plain bearing engine.
The max recommended time without running is 24 months. Will let you know if
mine tosses a rod! Food for thought... crankshaft $3500.00 bucks Camshaft
$1500.00 bucks exhaust and intake valves $225.00 bucks each! Cylinder heads
$1100.00 bucks a pop. BRS if all goes to hell in a
handbasket...priceless......
ps.. the 912 can be started and run without a prop or load. Ronnie Smith
with south ms light aircraft as well as Eric Tucker confirmed this. You just
need to have the set screws backed all the way off and choke or activate the
starter carburetors (as roatax calls them). The engine will rev really fast
and very high if not careful. This standard operating procedure for testing
newly overhauled 912's
Later gang
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Fathers Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
Terry,
I am not commiting to being there right now but I hope to make it (in my
"Signature Kolb") and Saturday seems it would be better for me.
Steven Green
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I've been in contact with Homer and Clara Kolb regarding a repeat of last
year's Fathers Day
> Fly-in at their farm. They responded that they would indeed like to see
this happen again
> this year. One of the details that needs to be settled up front is which
day to schedule
> for. Last year we scheduled it for the Saturday of that weekend so as to
have Sunday as a
> back up for bad weather. They were wondering which day might suit most of
you that are
> interested in participating because of possible work conflicts. I will
keep a tally of those
> that respond to this question.
>
> As you might recall, that is also the weekend for the fly-in at Shreveport
North (Footlight
> Ranch) at Wellsville, Pa., which is an ultralight event. Can be used as a
staging point for
> those coming from a distance and a chance to meet other UL'ers.
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
John et al,
My problem was definitely not the primer bulb - I don't have one!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Engine out
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
>
> > Turns out it was the fuel line primer bulb. The check valves in it
> would
> > seal off the gas at times, but usually let it through. Was able to
figure
> > this out when I finally had an engine out during a runup on the
> ground........I
> > saw the fuel lines pull themselves flat from the suction of the fuel
pump.
> > I removed the primer bulb, and found it works just fine without it.
>
>
> Gang,
> I know it's been posted on here before, but maybe some of the new guys
> haven't seen it. The cure for this if you feel you need the primer bulb is
> to put a bypass around the bulb. You can pinch the bypass with your
fingers
> while doing the priming. My Firestar with pull start is setup this way and
> it works great.
> My Twinstar has a electric start and I use a manual primer pump on it. I
> have the suction side of the primer pump tee'd in the main fuel line as
> close to the carbs as possible, that way the primer pump pulls gas almost
> all the way to the carbs and then shoots the primer into the carbs. When
the
> engine fires it doesn't have to fill the main fuel line all the way from
the
> tanks.
>
> Later,
> John Cooley
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Vincent" <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Jim
It sounds like the problem my friend had last summer; it ended up being the
pulse line to the fuel pump, it was collapsing.
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
> Any ideas?? Carb ice? Short in my kill stitches (had AC switches which I
> am changing to DC)? Vapor lock?
>
> ????
>
> Jim
> Charlotte, NC
> Mark III
> Rotax 532
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Guys
I had the same slow down and engine stop after climbing out hard. when
I eased over to straight and lever and backed off on the throttle the
engine slowed down slowly and quit. I did an air start after setting up a
glide back to the airport. Flew the rest of the way home.
Next day I pulled the muffler and found a mildly siezed piston!! Herb
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:10:50 -0600 "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day"
> <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>
> Jim et. al.,
>
> I did the same thing once. Flew just after a failure that I
> had no
> explanation for. Wish I hadn't. Bent up a quicksilver. I will not do
> that
> again even if it means trailering the plane. The price for this
> lesson was
> only airplane parts and not the pilot that time. Thank God
> almighty!!
>
>
> Giovanni Day
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flykolb
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Engine out
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb"
> <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Beautiful day here in NC today! Flew over to a friend's grass strip
> this
> morning. When I took off from his strip, I climbed to 2000 ft and
> reduced
> power. Engine got very, very quiet.
>
> Would not restart so did a dead stick landing (fortunately I was
> still next
> to his strip and had lots of of altitude.
>
> When I landed, I tried to restart with no success. But after about 3
> minutes
> it started right up. I taxied to his hanger, shut it off, and then
> restarted
> after another 5 minutes. No problem.
>
> I took off and circled his strip and everything was fine. I climbed
> to 4000
> ft and went back to my field with no more problems.
>
> Any ideas?? Carb ice? Short in my kill stitches (had AC switches
> which I am
> changing to DC)? Vapor lock?
>
> ????
>
> Jim
> Charlotte, NC
> Mark III
> Rotax 532
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
No suggestions as to why it quit, but I am a firm believer that when you
have an unexplained engine stoppage, and then that engine restarts later,
it is good policy to pull the exhaust manifold off and inspect the pistons,
rings and bore carefully. Slight partial seizures can sometimes seemingly
disappear without a trace, then reappear to bite you later. The appearance
of the insides will tell the tale.
My first motorcycle was a Kawasaki 80, (Don't laugh, I was in Air Force
Tech School at Keesler, and students were limited to less than 10 hp) it
used pre mix, and naturally I managed to seize it. After it cooled, it
would seemingly run normal until the next time I really leaned on it up a
long hill, and then it would seize again. All you had to do was let it cool
off, and away you could go. Once, I even "repaired it" by pulling the
piston out, sand papering off the rough spots and putting it back together.
It ran anyway. Amazing!
But the sort of idiocy acceptable to 21 year old, impoverished airmen on
slow putt-putts is really not suitable for aircraft. Pull off the manifold
and take a peek. If it doesn't look good, money will fix it.
PS: it was a beautiful day here in NE Tennessee too, a bunch of us flew to
a little grass strip along the Nolichucky river for a Moon Pie fly in.
Beats a $100 hamburger any day!
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 01:30 PM 2/5/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "flykolb" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Beautiful day here in NC today! Flew over to a friend's grass strip this
>morning. When I took off from his strip, I climbed to 2000 ft and reduced
>power. Engine got very, very quiet.
>
>Would not restart so did a dead stick landing (fortunately I was still
>next to his strip and had lots of of altitude.
>
>When I landed, I tried to restart with no success. But after about 3
>minutes it started right up. I taxied to his hanger, shut it off, and then
>restarted after another 5 minutes. No problem.
>
>I took off and circled his strip and everything was fine. I climbed to
>4000 ft and went back to my field with no more problems.
>
>Any ideas?? Carb ice? Short in my kill stitches (had AC switches which I
>am changing to DC)? Vapor lock?
>
>????
>
>Jim
>Charlotte, NC
>Mark III
>Rotax 532
>
>
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