Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:53 AM - Moons and RC's (Edward Steuber)
2. 06:13 AM - N.E. Tennessee (Dale Sellers)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: Wing folding (Dale Sellers)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Moons and RC's (James, Ken)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: N.E. Tennessee (Richard Pike)
6. 08:49 AM - Re: Engine out (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
7. 09:40 AM - Re: Engine out (Dale Sellers)
8. 09:50 AM - Re: Moons and RC's (Bob N.)
9. 10:03 AM - Re: Crash (David M. Lehman)
10. 10:50 AM - Re: Crash (John Hauck)
11. 11:54 AM - Re: Moons and RC's (robert bean)
12. 12:08 PM - Homer's Fly-In (Bob Pongracz)
13. 12:53 PM - Re: N.E. Tennessee (Kirk Smith)
14. 04:34 PM - Re: Wing folding & Misc UltraStar Mods (Richard Swiderwski)
15. 06:41 PM - Re: Wing folding (Richard Swiderwski)
16. 07:16 PM - Re: N.E. Tennessee (Richard Pike)
17. 07:51 PM - Re: N.E. Tennessee (kfackler)
18. 08:17 PM - Re: 10,000 ft. Club (HShack@aol.com)
19. 10:55 PM - Re: Moons and RC's (jerb)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
AH yes ! Moon pies and RC Colas...I long for the Sunny south....
Ed in Western NY
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Richard (Pike),
Where do you live in N.E. TN? The wife and I spent this last weekend
looking for land to buy in that area. We both love it up there and are
thinking of relocating there. Beautiful country.
Dael Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Richard (Pike)
> What is a Moon Pie?
> jerb
>
> snip....
>>PS: it was a beautiful day here in NE Tennessee too, a bunch of us flew to
>>a little grass strip along the Nolichucky river for a Moon Pie fly in.
>>Beats a $100 hamburger any day!
>>
>>Richard Pike
>>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>
>>do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Richard,
I'm having the same problem. I found a picture of a US folded on a trailer
behind a brown and station wagon. Is that yours? It, obviously, folds on
the rear spar. I would appreciate any drawings or I can work from pictures.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Wing folding
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski"
> <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
>
> Dale,
> I wrote a detailed response on how I dealt with this problem
> (folded
> height too high for my garage & trailer. It served me very well for years
> as I had to fold & unfold every flight. If you don't find it in the
> archives, let me know.
>
> Richard Swiderski
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Sellers
> To: Kolb List
> Subject: Kolb-List: Wing folding
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Does anyone have any drawings or pictures of the change to folding on the
> rear spar rather than the front on the UltraStar? Sure looks like a
> worthwhile thing to do to me.
>
> Dale Sellers
> Georgia UltraStar
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Two graham cracker disk about 4" in dia with some kind of cream filling
sandwiched in between the disks and then the whole thing is dipped into
chocolate.
ALWAYS served with a RC cola.
Hence RC and a Moon pie
-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Steuber [mailto:esteuber@rochester.rr.com]
Subject: Kolb-List: Moons and RC's
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber"
<esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
AH yes ! Moon pies and RC Colas...I long for the Sunny south....
Ed in Western NY
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| Subject: | Re: N.E. Tennessee |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Just east of Kingsport.
The grass strip behind the house is here:
http://www.airnav.com/airport/3TN0
It is great flying country, numerous little grass strips, 4 seasons, good
cost of living, mild summers and winters, gorgeous springs and falls - you
could do a lot worse. It even has a great little country church with a
preacher who flies a Kolb...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 09:10 AM 2/7/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
>Richard (Pike),
>Where do you live in N.E. TN? The wife and I spent this last weekend
>looking for land to buy in that area. We both love it up there and are
>thinking of relocating there. Beautiful country.
>
>Dael Sellers
>Georgia UltraStar
>do not archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
> >
> > Richard (Pike)
> > What is a Moon Pie?
> > jerb
> >
> > snip....
> >>PS: it was a beautiful day here in NE Tennessee too, a bunch of us flew to
> >>a little grass strip along the Nolichucky river for a Moon Pie fly in.
> >>Beats a $100 hamburger any day!
> >>
> >>Richard Pike
> >>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >>
> >>do not archive
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Hmmmm , I always thot it was a AhrrrrOCeeeee cola.
AzDave
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
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> jerb/All:
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> It is what goes with an RC!
>
> john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Dave,
By George, I think you've got it.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier"
> <pelletier@cableone.net>
>
> Hmmmm , I always thot it was a AhrrrrOCeeeee cola.
>
> AzDave
>
> Do Not Archive
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out
>
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>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
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>> | What is a Moon Pie?
>> | jerb
>>
>> jerb/All:
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>> It is what goes with an RC!
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>> john h
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| Subject: | Re: Moons and RC's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
wal, Hay-ell...they's pro--nounced Moom pahs en ARRR sea
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David M. Lehman" <kolbypilot@yahoo.com>
********************************************************************************
** Report created 2/7/2005 Record 29
**
********************************************************************************
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 986S Make/Model: EXP
Description: EXP-
Date: 02/05/2005 Time: 2037
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid
Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: HICKORY WITHE State: TN
Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT, CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE ONE
PERSON ON BOARD WAS
FATALLY INJURED, HICKORY WITHE, TN
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0
Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0
Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0
Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: MEM 05253Z 15006KT 10SM FEW150 SCT250 17/00
A3025
OTHER DATA
Departed: UNK Dep Date:
Dep. Time:
Destination: Flt Plan: NONE
Wx Briefing: N
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: MEMPHIS, TN (SO25)
Entry date: 02/07/2005
--- Plancraz2020@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by:
> Plancraz2020@aol.com
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> List,
>
> Yesterday afternoon a two place Kolb crashed just
> northeast of Memphis, Tn..
> It struck the ground nose first and caught fire
> killing the pilot. One TV
> crew member reported it as a Kolb and by the photos
> of the boom tube and tail
> section there is no doubt.
>
> The site below gives more details.
>
> _http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=2907282_
> (http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=2907282)
>
> Do not archive
>
> David Jones
> Hernando, MS.
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> Contributions
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> Forums.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Regis#: 986S Make/Model: EXP
| Description: EXP-
| Date: 02/05/2005 Time: 2037
David L/Gang:
That N number was reserved by the individual that got killed.
However, there is no aircraft registration for it, so can not tell
what kind of aircraft it was for sure.
Maybe when the NTSB report is published it will indicate type of
aircraft.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Moons and RC's |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I'm stayin out of thisun......hehehe
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On 7, Feb 2005, at 12:49 PM, Bob N. wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> wal, Hay-ell...they's pro--nounced Moom pahs en ARRR sea
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> Bob N.
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> do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Pongracz" <pongoflyer@myway.com>
good idea Terry but i vote for a differentweekend since the Father's Day fly-in
at Wellsvillehapppens at the same time. obviously this would createsome conflict
since we couldn't enjoy both events atthe same time. your right about Wellsville
being agood place to assemble but i still cast my vote forHomer's being
on a different weekend then the fly-inat Wellsville. .... tim (FireFly at Shoestring)I'll
ditto what Tim suggests...Once I get my FF flying this spring, I'd
like to make as many of the local fly-ins as weather time permit. So I'd rather
enjoy a full day at Homer's again at Wellsville, rather than trying to
hussle to both at the same time.do not archiveBob PFF - Fogelsville, PA
No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
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| Subject: | Re: N.E. Tennessee |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Just east of Kingsport.
> The grass strip behind the house is here:
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/3TN0
> It is great flying country, numerous little grass strips, 4 seasons, good
> cost of living, mild summers and winters, gorgeous springs and falls - you
> could do a lot worse. It even has a great little country church with a
> preacher who flies a Kolb...
Yah but! How's the fishin?
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Wing folding & Misc UltraStar Mods |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Dale,
This is what worked well for me: Assume wings are folded. Remove
vertical bolt from universal joint. Have an 1/8 inch stiff wire about 12"
Long & bent into a hook on each end. Slide wing out of upper frame & allow
it to pivot down, place top end of hook in upper frame & bottom hook into
u-joint of wing. It is now hanging low enough to put into trailer or garage.
What makes this practical is you do not put the original bolt back in.
Instead, you take an AN hinge bolt of appropriate length with the threaded
tip slightly tapered & a hole drilled in the end for a safety clip. The tab
on the end of the hinge bolt allows you to grasp & hold it as you put a wing
nut on finger tight. The taper allows the bolt to find its way back in &
allows the wing nut to quickly & easily start. Now when next fold you wing
You simply remove clip remove hinge bolt; & hang wing on its
hanger. Do same On other wing; bungee top & bottom to each other & fuselage
with a couple of appropriately placed pads; then using a 4" wide piece of
soft fabric, wrap & tie back of wings so they can not come off their
bracket. When reassembling, & you have u-joint ready to receive hinge bolt,
I used a WD-40 coated tapered pin that I pushed thru the U-joint to align
the 4 holes so the threads of the bolt will not "file" the holes bigger with
repeated use. This extra step of lowering the front of the wing really only
adds a couple of minutes the setup.
On similar note, the fretfully annoying elevator pin will soon
become a forgotten nightmare if you just throw that long pin away! Again,
take an AN hinge bolt that is long enough that the unthreaded portion would
extend about 3/8" beyond the elevator mechanism & in this area you would
drill a hole for the clip. Beyond the hole you would taper the hinge bolt to
a long taper that removes any of the threads so it is smooth & will find its
way thru the elevator assembly & self align all the parts without any
necessary cussing. The hinge bolt's tab allows you to twist & push with
ease. I liked this so much I used this tapered pin concept on the rear wing
drag strut as well.
As John H mentioned the earlier UltraStars did not have a steel
collar in the inboard end of the 5" wing spar. When heavy aileron input
occurs, the reaction is to put twist on the spar & when it twisted the end
of the spar would go oval. This "going oval" allowed the wing to twist with
ease & of course it is twisting opposite of aileron input which cancelled
the effect of the aileron. This flexible twisting of the wing not only made
role control mushy, but it also became a method of storing energy & feeding
back, which in some cases, went on to become flutter. I corrected this by
clamping a steel 1" ring around the outside edge of the spar & riveting to
spar & riveting an X piece onto the collar. This is done with minor fabric
cut & patching. I also cut a small hole in wing & riveted a steel brace to
center of drag strut & I believe the rib flange that goes around the spar.
This is not really a necessary fix as it didn't fail until Dennis sawed off
the stops, put the UltraStar into a 90mph dive & pulled out as hard & fast
as he could. If you plan on doing this you definitely will want to make
this modification so that the plane can break somewhere else at a higher
G-force.
I did a bunch of other mods to the beloved UltraStar, like an
adjustable pitch tab; flaperons; gear box redrive; 60" p-tip prop; bungee
gear high rise suspension; 3/4 enclosed fuselage; seat tank; enlarged
elevator cable pulleys that eliminated the 90 degree bend where fraying
occurred; adding a few gussets & braces to strengthen fuselage for rough
field landing; & removing all the slop out of the control system.
Boy what ever got into me to sell that wonderful bird?! Enjoy
yours, she's one of Kolb's best!
Richard Swiderski
Hoping to soon restart my GeoMetro Turbo project
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Sellers
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing folding
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Richard,
I'm having the same problem. I found a picture of a US folded on a trailer
behind a brown and station wagon. Is that yours? It, obviously, folds on
the rear spar. I would appreciate any drawings or I can work from pictures.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Wing folding
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski"
> <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
>
> Dale,
> I wrote a detailed response on how I dealt with this problem
> (folded
> height too high for my garage & trailer. It served me very well for years
> as I had to fold & unfold every flight. If you don't find it in the
> archives, let me know.
>
> Richard Swiderski
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Sellers
> To: Kolb List
> Subject: Kolb-List: Wing folding
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Does anyone have any drawings or pictures of the change to folding on the
> rear spar rather than the front on the UltraStar? Sure looks like a
> worthwhile thing to do to me.
>
> Dale Sellers
> Georgia UltraStar
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Dale,
Go to http://www.matronics.com/search ; Kolb; check "2 frame index";
type in ultrastar hit search. You'll get a night's reading of
related material
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing folding
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Richard,
I got no hits in the archives. Do you remember the name of the string?
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Wing folding
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski"
> <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
>
> Dale,
> I wrote a detailed response on how I dealt with this problem
> (folded
> height too high for my garage & trailer. It served me very well for years
> as I had to fold & unfold every flight. If you don't find it in the
> archives, let me know.
>
> Richard Swiderski
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Sellers
> To: Kolb List
> Subject: Kolb-List: Wing folding
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Does anyone have any drawings or pictures of the change to folding on the
> rear spar rather than the front on the UltraStar? Sure looks like a
> worthwhile thing to do to me.
>
> Dale Sellers
> Georgia UltraStar
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N.E. Tennessee |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Trout in streams.
Bass in lakes.
Wild turkeys & deer herds visible on any cross country.
No state income tax. (but a high sales tax)
Lots of grass strips & not much FAA.
Any thing else I missed?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 03:59 PM 2/7/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> >
> > Just east of Kingsport.
> > The grass strip behind the house is here:
> > http://www.airnav.com/airport/3TN0
> > It is great flying country, numerous little grass strips, 4 seasons, good
> > cost of living, mild summers and winters, gorgeous springs and falls - you
> > could do a lot worse. It even has a great little country church with a
> > preacher who flies a Kolb...
>
>
>Yah but! How's the fishin?
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N.E. Tennessee |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
> Trout in streams.
> Bass in lakes.
> Wild turkeys & deer herds visible on any cross country.
> No state income tax. (but a high sales tax)
> Lots of grass strips & not much FAA.
> Any thing else I missed?
Women?
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| Subject: | Re: 10,000 ft. Club |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
I submit for approval to the "10,000 ft. Club" the following:
Charles Reinert - Firestar II with 582- 11,000 ft. [agl]
Bill Alexander - Firestar II with 503 - 10,000 ft. [agl]
The above accomplished from Trenton Airport, SC.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Yep, RC cola use to be the best until they changed the formula. I miss
it. Coke has done the same thing. Back in 95 I was visiting Brazil once
in a while for business, they still had the old formula Coke and in the
bottle too. Boy was that good. I can't understand why Coke keeps trying
to change what has been successful for them. Today I can't tell much
difference between Pepsi and Coke, there both like sweetened flavored
water, no longer has any punch. No flying today - still trying to rain.
jerb
At 09:18 AM 2/7/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
>Two graham cracker disk about 4" in dia with some kind of cream filling
>sandwiched in between the disks and then the whole thing is dipped into
>chocolate.
>
>ALWAYS served with a RC cola.
>
>Hence RC and a Moon pie
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Steuber [mailto:esteuber@rochester.rr.com]
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Moons and RC's
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber"
><esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
>
>AH yes ! Moon pies and RC Colas...I long for the Sunny south....
> Ed in Western NY
>
>
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