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1. 04:22 AM - Re: 10,000 ft. Club (Airgriff2@aol.com)
2. 06:11 AM - Re: N.E. Tennessee (snuffy@usol.com)
3. 09:05 AM - Crash (terry)
4. 09:25 AM - Re: Crash (Mike MacPherson)
5. 02:16 PM - Re: Crash (terry)
6. 02:18 PM - Fathers Day Fly-in (terry)
7. 03:30 PM - Re: N.E. Tennessee (Kolbdriver)
8. 03:45 PM - Re: N.E. Tennessee (Kirk Smith)
9. 04:10 PM - Re: N.E. Tennessee (Dale Sellers)
10. 04:25 PM - Wing folding (Dale Sellers)
11. 04:44 PM - Re: Wing folding (ron wehba)
12. 04:51 PM - Re: N.E. Tennessee (Richard Pike)
13. 05:20 PM - Re: Wing folding (Bob N.)
14. 06:00 PM - Re: Wing folding (Don Gherardini)
15. 06:02 PM - Re: Fathers Day Fly-in (Denny Rowe)
16. 06:04 PM - Re: Wing folding (Don Gherardini)
17. 06:23 PM - Re: Fathers Day Fly-in (John Hauck)
18. 07:20 PM - Re: Fathers Day Fly-in (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
19. 07:21 PM - Re: Wing folding (Dale Sellers)
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| Subject: | Re: 10,000 ft. Club |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
Howard, I have the certificates made up. I just need names and addresses as
to where to send them. Again, to clarify, this accomplishment is done by
achieving 10,000 feet above ground level, (AGL). Some who fly off an 8000 ft field
wanted to go up 2000 ft and get an award climbing to 10,000 ft above sea
level,(ASL). This award if for gaining enough altitude to look down and see the
ground, 10,000 feet below. Unbelievable view!.
You can e-mail me direct at Airgriff2@aol.com Please write 10K club, in
subject line.
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Re: N.E. Tennessee |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
> Trout in streams.
> Bass in lakes.
> Wild turkeys & deer herds visible on any cross country.
> No state income tax. (but a high sales tax)
> Lots of grass strips & not much FAA.
> Any thing else I missed?
Might have to come down and check it out. ;o)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Did anyone see or hear of an ultralight crash in South NJ. My wife said she saw
on the
Philadelphia news yesterday that an ultralight with two up crashed near Cape May,
NJ with one
fatality.
Terry - FireFly
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike MacPherson" <mmacpherson@comcast.net>
Our prayers for the families.
Ultralight aircraft crash kills two in Woodbine
By MICHAEL MILLER Staff Writer, (609) 463-6712, E-Mail
WOODBINE - An ultralight aircraft crashed in thick woods off Route 550
on Monday killing the pilot and a passenger, State Police said.
The two-seater aircraft crashed about 2:30 p.m. off Sherman Avenue,
less than a mile from the Woodbine Municipal Airport, where it took off. The
airport is home to an ultralight aircraft club that boasts 50 members.
A crew aboard a U.S. Coast Guard helicopter was conducting training at
the airport and saw the ultralight dip beneath the trees. The helicopter
circled around to investigate, a Coast Guard spokesman said. After locating
the crash scene, the helicopter landed in a field off Sherman Avenue and
deployed a rescuer who found the pilot and passenger.
Both men were pronounced dead at the scene, State Police said. The
police agency did not identify the victims pending notification of their
families.
The accident here was the first fatal crash many residents can
remember, said Clifton Anderson, chairman of the Woodbine Port Authority,
which owns and operates the Pinelands airport. Anderson, who is a
recreational pilot, responded to the crash scene.
"The only thing that was apparent was that, looking at the damage to
the trees, the plane lost altitude very quickly," he said.
The state Division of Aeronautics will investigate the accident, the
first crash in Woodbine since July 2000 when a single-engine plane struck
trees 200 feet before the runway during a training landing. Neither the
instructor nor the student was injured in that crash.
State Police cordoned off both ends of Sherman Avenue on while
detectives and state investigators examined the wreckage. A South Star
helicopter made low passes over the trees to photograph the crash site in
the fading light of the late afternoon.
Justin Speer runs an ultralight training school in Woodbine. He said
any number of things could have caused Monday's accident.
"The great thing about ultralights is they fly real slow so they have
a great glide ratio," he said. "It only takes a small area to land one. Most
forced landings, you can walk away from."
"I don't think those machines are inherently dangerous. But I'm sure
they're very unforgiving, just like other aircraft," pilot Bruce Slack said.
Ultralight aircraft, sometimes called trikes for their three-wheeled
landing gear, are not as stiffly regulated as airplanes. As a general
aviation airport, Woodbine must allow them to take off or land. But Anderson
said the aircraft pose a danger to bigger planes that use the same runways.
At Woodbine's request, the ultralight pilots based there agreed to
install radio equipment on their aircraft, even though it is not mandatory,
Anderson said. But many visiting ultralight pilots have none, he said.
"They're a very controversial aircraft at this airport. At best,
they're a nuisance. At worst, they're a hazard," he said.
The airport in northern Cape May County was built in 1939 to train
U.S. Navy pilots how to land and take off from aircraft carriers. Now, it is
a recreational airport that sees thousands of planes per year.
To e-mail Michael Miller at The Press:
MMiller@pressofac.com
from phila news...
Two killed in crash of ultralight aircraft
Flying in "near perfect" conditions, it went down in woods near
Woodbine Municipal Airport.
By Sam Wood
Inquirer Staff Writer
Two men were killed yesterday when the ultralight aircraft they were
flying crashed into woods in Cape May County, authorities said.
The aircraft - essentially a hang glider outfitted with a small motor
and a propeller - took off about 3:15 p.m. from Woodbine Municipal Airport,
about 15 miles southwest of Atlantic City.
It turned west, and minutes later crashed into trees near the Woodbine
Developmental Center for mentally handicapped children, said Cliff Anderson,
chairman of the Woodbine Airport Authority.
The victims' names were not released pending notification of their
families. One was from Dennis Township, N.J., Anderson said.
"They weren't that well-known at the airport. I don't really know them
at all," he said.
At least one person saw the plane go down and called 911, Anderson
said. Emergency medical technicians and state police arrived minutes later.
A two-seater ultralight typically weighs 750 pounds, can fly as high
as 2,500 feet, and only partially encloses its occupants, Anderson said.
Seven such craft are stored at the airport.
"They don't require registrations or a licence to operate," Anderson
said. "They're like a bicycle that way."
Several ultralights had flown without incident during the last two
days of "near perfect" flying conditions, Anderson said.
The fatalities were the first at the airport in more than 15 years, he
said. The airport is home to about 76 winged aircraft and a helicopter.
The Federal Aviation Administration and the state Division of
Aeronautics are investigating the crash, Anderson said.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "terry" <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Crash
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
>
> Did anyone see or hear of an ultralight crash in South NJ. My wife said
> she saw on the
> Philadelphia news yesterday that an ultralight with two up crashed near
> Cape May, NJ with one
> fatality.
>
> Terry - FireFly
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Mike MacPherson wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike MacPherson" <mmacpherson@comcast.net>
>
> Our prayers for the families.
> Ultralight aircraft crash kills two in Woodbine
> By MICHAEL MILLER Staff Writer, (609) 463-6712, E-Mail
>
> WOODBINE - An ultralight aircraft crashed in thick woods off Route 550
> on Monday killing the pilot and a passenger, State Police said.
>
> The two-seater aircraft crashed about 2:30 p.m. off Sherman Avenue,
> less than a mile from the Woodbine Municipal Airport, where it took off. The
> airport is home to an ultralight aircraft club that boasts 50 members.
>
> A crew aboard a U.S. Coast Guard helicopter was conducting training at
> the airport and saw the ultralight dip beneath the trees. The helicopter
> circled around to investigate, a Coast Guard spokesman said. After locating
> the crash scene, the helicopter landed in a field off Sherman Avenue and
> deployed a rescuer who found the pilot and passenger.
>
> Both men were pronounced dead at the scene, State Police said. The
> police agency did not identify the victims pending notification of their
> families.
>
> The accident here was the first fatal crash many residents can
> remember, said Clifton Anderson, chairman of the Woodbine Port Authority,
> which owns and operates the Pinelands airport. Anderson, who is a
> recreational pilot, responded to the crash scene.
>
> "The only thing that was apparent was that, looking at the damage to
> the trees, the plane lost altitude very quickly," he said.
>
> The state Division of Aeronautics will investigate the accident, the
> first crash in Woodbine since July 2000 when a single-engine plane struck
> trees 200 feet before the runway during a training landing. Neither the
> instructor nor the student was injured in that crash.
>
> State Police cordoned off both ends of Sherman Avenue on while
> detectives and state investigators examined the wreckage. A South Star
> helicopter made low passes over the trees to photograph the crash site in
> the fading light of the late afternoon.
>
> Justin Speer runs an ultralight training school in Woodbine. He said
> any number of things could have caused Monday's accident.
>
> "The great thing about ultralights is they fly real slow so they have
> a great glide ratio," he said. "It only takes a small area to land one. Most
> forced landings, you can walk away from."
>
> "I don't think those machines are inherently dangerous. But I'm sure
> they're very unforgiving, just like other aircraft," pilot Bruce Slack said.
>
> Ultralight aircraft, sometimes called trikes for their three-wheeled
> landing gear, are not as stiffly regulated as airplanes. As a general
> aviation airport, Woodbine must allow them to take off or land. But Anderson
> said the aircraft pose a danger to bigger planes that use the same runways.
>
> At Woodbine's request, the ultralight pilots based there agreed to
> install radio equipment on their aircraft, even though it is not mandatory,
> Anderson said. But many visiting ultralight pilots have none, he said.
>
> "They're a very controversial aircraft at this airport. At best,
> they're a nuisance. At worst, they're a hazard," he said.
>
> The airport in northern Cape May County was built in 1939 to train
> U.S. Navy pilots how to land and take off from aircraft carriers. Now, it is
> a recreational airport that sees thousands of planes per year.
>
> To e-mail Michael Miller at The Press:
>
> MMiller@pressofac.com
>
> from phila news...
> Two killed in crash of ultralight aircraft
>
> Flying in "near perfect" conditions, it went down in woods near
> Woodbine Municipal Airport.
>
> By Sam Wood
>
> Inquirer Staff Writer
>
> Two men were killed yesterday when the ultralight aircraft they were
> flying crashed into woods in Cape May County, authorities said.
>
> The aircraft - essentially a hang glider outfitted with a small motor
> and a propeller - took off about 3:15 p.m. from Woodbine Municipal Airport,
> about 15 miles southwest of Atlantic City.
>
> It turned west, and minutes later crashed into trees near the Woodbine
> Developmental Center for mentally handicapped children, said Cliff Anderson,
> chairman of the Woodbine Airport Authority.
>
> The victims' names were not released pending notification of their
> families. One was from Dennis Township, N.J., Anderson said.
>
> "They weren't that well-known at the airport. I don't really know them
> at all," he said.
>
> At least one person saw the plane go down and called 911, Anderson
> said. Emergency medical technicians and state police arrived minutes later.
>
> A two-seater ultralight typically weighs 750 pounds, can fly as high
> as 2,500 feet, and only partially encloses its occupants, Anderson said.
> Seven such craft are stored at the airport.
>
> "They don't require registrations or a licence to operate," Anderson
> said. "They're like a bicycle that way."
>
> Several ultralights had flown without incident during the last two
> days of "near perfect" flying conditions, Anderson said.
>
> The fatalities were the first at the airport in more than 15 years, he
> said. The airport is home to about 76 winged aircraft and a helicopter.
>
> The Federal Aviation Administration and the state Division of
> Aeronautics are investigating the crash, Anderson said.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "terry" <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
> To: "kolb-list" <Kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Crash
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
> >
> > Did anyone see or hear of an ultralight crash in South NJ. My wife said
> > she saw on the
> > Philadelphia news yesterday that an ultralight with two up crashed near
> > Cape May, NJ with one
> > fatality.
> >
> > Terry - FireFly
> >
> >
> >
>
Thanks Mike,
Terry
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| Subject: | Fathers Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Sorry for the delay in responding, but it's been flying weather the last several
days here in
Dutch Country.
So far, the tally for the Fathers Day Fly-in is: Seven for Sat., one for FRi.
and two for
another weekend.
Moving the fly-in to Homer's to another weekend might be a problem seeing how they
have
already agreed to that time. Having the fly-in at the same time as Wellsville
gives the
advantage of an overnight stop for those flying some distance. I don't think we
would want
to impose on the Kolb's by staying over at their farm, at least I wouldn't want
to ask that
of them. They already go out of their way to accommodate us that day. The Wellsville
Fly-in
is Fri. 17th thru Sun. 19th. which allows for being able to do both. I too hope
to fit in
every fly-in weather allows!
Will continue to tally responses for a while before contacting Homer and Clara
with the
results. So let me know if your interested in attending this years event. We
had a grand
time last year as can be seen with George Alexander's photo diary of the day.
You can go to
his web page to see if you already haven't.
Terry - FireFly
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| Subject: | Re: N.E. Tennessee |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
Dang-it Richard, I was afraid some Yankee would hear you.:<)
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
> snuffy@usol.com>
>
> > Trout in streams.
> > Bass in lakes.
> > Wild turkeys & deer herds visible on any cross country.
> > No state income tax. (but a high sales tax)
> > Lots of grass strips & not much FAA.
> > Any thing else I missed?
>
> Might have to come down and check it out. ;o)
>
> Do not
> archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N.E. Tennessee |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Dang-it Richard, I was afraid some Yankee would hear you.:<)
>
Aw come on, how bout a little of that famous " Southern
Hospitality".....Y'all got a bass rig don't ye? I'll bring some of those
big ole northern crawlers. So big ya don't need a hook.
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| Subject: | Re: N.E. Tennessee |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Richard,
You get the pic I sent?
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N.E. Tennessee
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
>>
>> Dang-it Richard, I was afraid some Yankee would hear you.:<)
>>
>
> Aw come on, how bout a little of that famous " Southern
> Hospitality".....Y'all got a bass rig don't ye? I'll bring some of those
> big ole northern crawlers. So big ya don't need a hook.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Kolbers,
Any body got a drawing or a picture of the folding joint on a firefly you can send
me. I understand the firefly has the exact same, 5 rib wing as my ultrastar
and folds on the rear spar (drag strut) rather than the front spar as the US
does. The problem is, the wings stick up so high when folded on the front spar
that you can't get it in a garage and the wind gives them fits when trailering.
I would like to convert my UltraStar to fold on the rear spar to keep the
folded profile as low as possible. In fact, I think I read someplace that
the last US kits that were sold folded that way. I could probably design something
that would work but I don't want to have to reinvent the wheel. I can work
from a picture of the joint if anyone has one and can send it to me off list.
I appreciate any help you can give.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cox.net>
need to go to my hanger and get my us plans, but it should be a simple deal,
just make the rear swivel like the front. I need to go look though! as I
can't remember how it connects. (sure do miss my US)want it back, hey you in
kansas wanna sell it back?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Wing folding
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> Any body got a drawing or a picture of the folding joint on a firefly you
> can send me. I understand the firefly has the exact same, 5 rib wing as
> my ultrastar and folds on the rear spar (drag strut) rather than the front
> spar as the US does. The problem is, the wings stick up so high when
> folded on the front spar that you can't get it in a garage and the wind
> gives them fits when trailering. I would like to convert my UltraStar to
> fold on the rear spar to keep the folded profile as low as possible. In
> fact, I think I read someplace that the last US kits that were sold folded
> that way. I could probably design something that would work but I don't
> want to have to reinvent the wheel. I can work from a picture of the
> joint if anyone has one and can send it to me off list. I appreciate any
> help you can give.
>
> Dale Sellers
> Georgia UltraStar
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N.E. Tennessee |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Yes, and it's a sharp one, a real dandy. I can see why you are proud of it!
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 07:09 PM 2/8/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
>Richard,
>
>You get the pic I sent?
>
>Dale
>do not archive
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N.E. Tennessee
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> >
> >>
> >> Dang-it Richard, I was afraid some Yankee would hear you.:<)
> >>
> >
> > Aw come on, how bout a little of that famous " Southern
> > Hospitality".....Y'all got a bass rig don't ye? I'll bring some of those
> > big ole northern crawlers. So big ya don't need a hook.
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Dale,
If you can wait till tomorrow, I'll go out to hgr and zap off some dig.
pix and send direct.
Bob N.
FF070
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Dale,
I know they are not the best, and I dont have any pics of the mechanism with
the wings installed, but on my FireFly website...click on the buttons for
page 14 titles "enclosure"....you can see the cage attach points both front
and rear...and down a few pics on that page the rear hinge point still has
the "u-joint" hanging there that attaches to the drag strut via a cro-moly
sleeve that slips inside the end of the drag strut.(sleeve is not shown )
This sleeve is a piece of tubing that is swaged down on the end where a
smaller heavy walled tube is welded to it that fits the 5/16th bolt and
hooks the wing to the u-joint.
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Fathers Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "terry" <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
. Having the fly-in at the same time as Wellsville gives the
> advantage of an overnight stop for those flying some distance. I don't
> think we would want
> to impose on the Kolb's by staying over at their farm, at least I wouldn't
> want to ask that
> of them. They already go out of their way to accommodate us that day.
> The Wellsville Fly-in
> is Fri. 17th thru Sun. 19th. which allows for being able to do both. I
> too hope to fit in
> every fly-in weather allows!
> > Terry - FireFly
Terry, Others,
My plan is to fly into Wellville Friday afternoon, spend that night there or
at a motel, get up and fly to Homers Saturday, return to Wellsville Saturday
evening, overnight again than head home around noon or 1:00PM Sunday.
I hope everyone is praying for good weather this year, last year was rough
until Saturday night.
It is a crammed weekend, but saluting Homer on Fathers Day weekend was the
whole idea to begin with.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Dale..
I just checked my webpages for more pics and found on page 15 titled "Mods"
there are a couple of pics from under the aluminum gap seal I made that
shows the wing attach points with the wings on...both the front pins and the
rear u joints
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Fathers Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Homer and Clara with the
| results. | Terry - FireFly
Hi Terry/Gang:
Please put me down as a tentative participant. Too early to make
solid plans for that one.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Fathers Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 2/5/2005 11:08:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tkrolfe@usadatanet.net writes:
I've been in contact with Homer and Clara Kolb regarding a repeat of last
year's Fathers Day
Fly-in at their farm.
Hi Terry,
I vote for Saturday, June 18th, with Sunday as an alternate. BUT, I am
flexiable. Any day is OK with me.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Wing folding |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Bob,
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing folding
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
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> Dale,
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> If you can wait till tomorrow, I'll go out to hgr and zap off some dig.
> pix and send direct.
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> Bob N.
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> FF070
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