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1. 10:47 AM - monument valley (b young)
2. 10:47 AM - Re: Perception of an "Ultralight" (b young)
3. 11:25 AM - preception of an ul (b young)
4. 11:37 AM - Patterns (russ kinne)
5. 11:47 AM - [ Dennis Kirby ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
6. 01:34 PM - Re: monument valley (John Hauck)
7. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Perception of an "Ultralight" (John Williamson)
8. 02:27 PM - Re: Patterns (John Williamson)
9. 05:59 PM - Re: monument valley (Larry Cottrell)
10. 06:19 PM - Re: monument valley (John Hauck)
11. 06:20 PM - Re: monument valley (Kirk Smith)
12. 06:27 PM - Re: monument valley (John Hauck)
13. 06:48 PM - Re: monument valley (Kirk Smith)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
That is great news. Now, if they can make it to SLC and Palm Springs
now, then MV will be a piece of cake for them.
Glad to hear they are doing much better. We missed them and the
Prospector last year.
john h
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Tom mentioned that in principle they did not want to go to mv and have to pay
the extortion fee..... we agreed that bryce canyon would be a good choice....
bryce canyon has the same type of ammenities and something different to
see... it seems to me that if the tribe is so intent in trying to drive
away the business that maybe we should call their bluff and try something different.....
Who if anyone would like to try something different...... "Bryce Canyon"
it is only about 150 miles west of mv. the airport is about the same distance
away from the camping from what we are used to... there is a shuttle bus,
however i am not sure it goes all the way to the airport but if not is only a
block or so short,,,, if there were many using the service they might be talked
into going the extra block.... i dont have the url here but you could
do a search of "rubys inn."
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Perception of an "Ultralight" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
A lot of the confusion can be taken care of by us very small airplane
operators using the correct phraseology on the radio. As an example: I am
"Kolb 49KK" when I make all my radio calls at an uncontrolled airfield. When
I call an ATC facility I am "Kolb 49KK Experimental" for the initial contact
call and "Kolb 49KK" on all of the rest of the calls.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
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John
last year you had mentioned that there is a standard designator for aircraft
type......after ariving home i call the atc supervisor and was given this information....
when asked by atc for "aircraft type" we should use "HXP1"
To help me remember i was thinking
"H"omebuilt e"X"perimental s"P"eed "1"
so in using your example above would it be better to use "Kolb 49kk hxp1"
on the initial call then "Kolb 49kk" on additional calls? you had mentioned
that if we use the proper terminology that we would be looked on favorably....
i supose that if someone asked about the hxp1 that you could fil in the
blanks by saying "homebuilt experimental (your airspeed)"
boyd
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| Subject: | preception of an ul |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
dis some searching and the "P" in hxp1 stands for "piston"
"hotel xray papa one"
or hombuilt experimental piston driven slow aircraft
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
At tower-controlled (and all other!) fields Kolbs and other
experimental/ultralights must mix in with "regular" traffic, and the
closer all the aircraft speeds match, the less conflicts can arise. At
least in my part of the world, normal pattern speed is 80MPH -- so it
makes sense to maintain 80MPH on down wind & base, and not reduce speed
until on short final. And of course make the first possible turnoff as
a normal courtesy.
We've all seen a powerful aircraft going as slowly as it can, and still
overhauling a low-powered Cub going as fast as it can. The thing here
is that the faster plane's pilot knows this, and will give more spacing
and/or do some gentle S-turns. It all works, He doesn't want to have to
go around either.
As to radio talk, I think saying "Experimental Ultralight-type Kolb"
would cure everything. Visually, Kolbs are considered ultralights by
those who don't know better, which seems to be most pilots. This should
identify your plane as the one they hear talking.
And visit the tower & talk to those guys sometime when they're not too
busy -- helps friendly relations all around. Or at least should!Russ
Kinne
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| Subject: | Re: monument valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
boyd
Boyd/Gang:
I would be more than willing to go to Bryce Canyon, but only after
attending the MV Flyin. I am not turned off by the $5.00 flying
permit and I certainly enjoy the facilty, location, and people at
Goulding's.
Can do Bryce Canyon before or after MV, as far as I know now.
Always willing to oblige.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Perception of an "Ultralight" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi Boyd and all,
The "HXP1" you were given is incorrect. What they are talking about is the
"Aircraft Type" that goes in block 3 on a FAA flight plan.
For an experimental aircraft that has not been assigned an identifier, the
following three codes are to be used:
HXA - Unknown Homebuilt/Experimental Spd Less Than 100
HXB - Unknown Homebuilt/Experimental Spd 100-200
HXC - Unknown Homebuilt/Experimental Spd. 200+
Some where along the line, someone has requested and an identifier for two
Kolb models have been assigned by the FAA:
KOLL - Kolb Laser
KOLT - Kolb Twinstar
The FAA does not differentiate between the Kolb Twinstar MarkII and the Kolb
Twinstar MarkIII. So you would be correct in putting KOLT in block 3 of the
FAA flight plan.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
"As to radio talk, I think saying "Experimental Ultralight-type Kolb"
would cure everything." Russ Kinne
We can't go and make up our own procedures, we have to follow what the FAA
has given us to work with.
If you don't like it, then you need to get the procedure changed with the
FAA.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: monument valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: monument valley
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> Tom mentioned that in principle they did not want to go to mv and have
> to pay the extortion fee.....
Guys,
It is easy to stumble over a principle that in essence cures nothing
and only causes problems for your self. ( "cut off your nose to spite your
face", was one of my Mother's favorites) I personally do not like the idea
of being scalped by any Indians, however I will pay the fee if it is
necessary, BUT, Last year I was very circumspect about heights, and areas
that I flew, since we were guests. I kinda think that if I am a paying
customer then there should be a bit more lee way to fly where and how I
want. Hopefully I will not be too big a pain in anyone's butt! Five bucks
isn't very much, so I should be able to get my moneys worth.
Larry,Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: monument valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Last year I was very circumspect about heights, and areas
> that I flew, since we were guests. I kinda think that if I am a paying
> customer then there should be a bit more lee way to fly where and how I
> want. > Larry,Oregon
Larry/All:
My thoughts exactly. I love to fly, and not necessarily at 10,000 feet. I
felt like I was pushing it last year after we were told by Weylon(?) the
owner's son that we were able to talk to a bit, to keep it at least above
1,000 feet.
I am going to insure I have a paid receipt in my pocket. If I go down, or
get caught landing on a road in the valley, the paperwork and $5.00
expenditure may be a blessing.
Earlier I mentioned visiting Bryce Canon before or after MV. Was talking to
John Williamson this afternoon. We discussed the above and also spoke of
maybe doing a flight to Alvord Desert and the NE from MV, especially if
Larry and Karen are going to be able to go to Alvord about the same time we
do. Would make a fun few days in the Oregon SE. John W has a tentative
flight plan to the NW from MV on his web site. Seriously contemplating
doing that flight from MV rather than making another flight from Alabama to
the NW. Save at least 4 or 5 days flying.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: monument valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> > Tom mentioned that in principle they did not want to go to mv and have
> > to pay the extortion fee.....
It's so awful......as bad as the prices to attend and camp at Oshcash
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| Subject: | Re: monument valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> It's so awful......as bad as the prices to attend and camp at Oshcash
Sunff/Gang:
You got that right. I get pissed off everytime I go to OSH or S&F. Takes
more to camp than it does to fly down and back from Alabama, or up and back
from Oshkosh. Prices of food and drink are unreal. Equivalent to Rotax
prices. hehehe
john h
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| Subject: | Re: monument valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
. I get pissed off everytime I go to OSH or S&F. Takes
> more to camp than it does to fly down and back from Alabama, or up and
back
> from Oshkosh. Prices of food and drink are unreal. Equivalent to Rotax
> prices. hehehe
Once upon a time I got paid while I watched airshows , but not
much.......;o)
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