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1. 06:51 AM - KievProp (John Jung)
2. 07:03 AM - Re: First Flight (Steve Kroll)
3. 07:13 AM - Re: KievProp (HShack@aol.com)
4. 07:32 AM - Re: First Flight (John Jung)
5. 07:58 AM - Fathers Day Fly-in (terry)
6. 08:00 AM - Re: First Flight (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
7. 08:20 AM - Re: KievProp (John Cooley)
8. 08:31 AM - Keeping nose cone out of the dirt (John Cooley)
9. 09:37 AM - Perception of an "Ultralight" (John Williamson)
10. 09:58 AM - experimental to sport? (Don Gherardini)
11. 10:27 AM - Re: experimental to sport? (John Williamson)
12. 11:15 AM - Re: experimental to sport? (Don Gherardini)
13. 11:24 AM - Re: experimental to sport? (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
14. 12:07 PM - Re: experimental to sport? (robert bean)
15. 12:53 PM - Re: experimental to sport? (Kirk Smith)
16. 01:28 PM - Re: experimental to sport? (Rusty)
17. 01:36 PM - Re: experimental to sport? (Rusty)
18. 01:38 PM - RE : experimental to sport? ()
19. 01:39 PM - Re: experimental to sport? (kfackler)
20. 03:35 PM - Re: experimental to sport? (John Williamson)
21. 03:48 PM - Re: experimental to sport? (Kirk Smith)
22. 03:55 PM - Re: experimental to sport? (John Williamson)
23. 04:34 PM - Re: experimental to sport? (Dale Sellers)
24. 05:25 PM - Re: experimental to sport? (John Williamson)
25. 07:26 PM - Re: KievProp (Richard Swiderwski)
26. 08:12 PM - Re: experimental to sport? (Dale Sellers)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
Does anyone have any experience with a KievProp? I
would like to replace the 68" two blade IVO on my
Firestar II. I am seeking the quietest prop that I can
find.
John Jung
__________________________________
http://my.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
Congratulations Wade,
When I first started flying my Mk2 I felt the tendency of the airplane to nose
over with the application of full power at take-off but that tendency is easily
corrected with elevator and after a few hours it becomes automatic and you won't
even notice. I can send you a digi of my skid if you want to fabricate your
own but I doubt that you will feel the need for it long.
Steve Kroll
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/2005 9:52:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jrjungjr@yahoo.com writes:
Does anyone have any experience with a KievProp? I
would like to replace the 68" two blade IVO on my
Firestar II. I am seeking the quietest prop that I can
find.
John Jung
We put a 70.75" 3 blade on Robert Broadwell's Mk III float plane with 912ULS.
Seems quiet [we haven't compared it to anything yet], lots of thrust, light,
& it's pretty.
Costs about the same [or a little less] than a Warp Drive.
I'd like to put one on my FS II if I had the money.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Wade and Group,
> the only incident was 1 soft
> ground nose over resulting in the need for some
> glass work around pitot tube,
> very minor but i need input from group on a nose
> skid so that i don't repeat it.
You don't need a nose skid. Just learn to handle the
plane like all the other Kolb pilots have. If I knew
how you nosed it over, I could offer a specific
suggestion. Most of the Firestar and FireFly pilots
have nosed their's over. There isn't usually damage
and if we are lucky, no one is watching.
In my opinion the current nose cones are too much like
an egg shell. I damaged one by going over softly while
doing a 180 degree turn around a wheel. I forgot to
consider the wind direction and turned with the wind.
Currently, the inside of the nose cone on my Firestar
is reinforced with steel mesh and fiberglass to make
it less likely to be damaged. I did that 5 years ago,
after replacing a broken nose cone, and haven't nosed
it over since then.
John Jung
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| Subject: | Fathers Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Having seen no more responses to the question of which day to have the fly-in at
Homer's on Fathers Day weekend, I think it's time to make a date for it. There
were 8
responses for that Saturday, 1 for Friday, 2 for a different weekend and 4 "will
attends". Based on that and the fact the Clara and Homer have already committed
to
that weekend, I feel the Saturday of that weekend suits the most. Impossible to
find a
date that suits everyone.
So, I will contact Homer and Clara and set the date as June 18th, with the following
day as a possible backup for bad weather. Will provide more info as we get closer
to
the time.
Hope as many of you as possible plan on attending. I know that Homer and Clara
would
appreciate your company very much!
Terry - FireFly # 95
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
WADE LAWICKI wrote: << First flight of my used fs #1030 happened yesterday
...
but i need input from group on a nose skid so that i don't repeat it. >>
Hi, Wade -
Congratulations on getting your new-to-you Firestar in the air!
About that nose skid you are contemplating - the Mark-III comes stock with a
steel "nose hoop" for exactly this purpose ... to protect the fiberglas nose
cone in the event of a nose over. This feature saved the nosecone on my
very first flight, when I pancaked my plane onto the runway. (I got too
slow - stalled it at 8 ft.) Only damage I incurred was bent landing gear -
an easy fix compared to a smashed nosecone. I'm sure you could adapt one to
your FS.
A word of caution, however. Having a nose hoop may be viewed upon as using
"training wheels" by some of the more experienced Kolb pilots! Have fun
with your new airplane!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3 with training wheels, (but out of diapers) in
New Mexico
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
John Jung,
Do a search for "prop data fwiw" and you will find a pretty decent report on
one vs a Warp Drive. Sounds like a really good prop.
Later,
John Cooley
"do not archive"
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Jung
Subject: Kolb-List: KievProp
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
Does anyone have any experience with a KievProp? I
would like to replace the 68" two blade IVO on my
Firestar II. I am seeking the quietest prop that I can
find.
John Jung
__________________________________
http://my.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Keeping nose cone out of the dirt |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi guys,
Took the liberty to change the subject line due to this thread going in that
direction.
Something I did to help with this problem is to move the gear legs out
further in their sockets. My FS II has double walled sockets, if I remember
correctly, and doesn't seem to have any adverse effects on the sockets. This
essentially moves the tires further forward because of the angle of the gear
legs and reduces the tendency to nose over. It also makes it set up higher
and look more aggressive.
Later,
John Cooley
"do not archive"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kirby Dennis
Contr MDA/AL
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: First Flight
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL
<Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
WADE LAWICKI wrote: << First flight of my used fs #1030 happened yesterday
...
but i need input from group on a nose skid so that i don't repeat it. >>
Hi, Wade -
Congratulations on getting your new-to-you Firestar in the air!
About that nose skid you are contemplating - the Mark-III comes stock with a
steel "nose hoop" for exactly this purpose ... to protect the fiberglas nose
cone in the event of a nose over. This feature saved the nosecone on my
very first flight, when I pancaked my plane onto the runway. (I got too
slow - stalled it at 8 ft.) Only damage I incurred was bent landing gear -
an easy fix compared to a smashed nosecone. I'm sure you could adapt one to
your FS.
A word of caution, however. Having a nose hoop may be viewed upon as using
"training wheels" by some of the more experienced Kolb pilots! Have fun
with your new airplane!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3 with training wheels, (but out of diapers) in
New Mexico
do not archive
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| Subject: | Perception of an "Ultralight" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Fellow Kolbers,
In a response to an email from Boyd Y, I made a mistake and am correcting
that with this post. The question was about the aircraft type codes and the
number of digits used in block 3 of the FAA flight plan.
*****************
The official list can be found in FAA pub 7340.1X, "Contractions."
Here is the link to their decode page:
http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/CNT/5-1.htm
Here is the link to Homebuilt and Experimental Aircraft that don't have a
specific type code assigned:
http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
Here is the link to the whole publication:
http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/CNT/CNTHME.htm
Block 3 of the flight plan still uses 3 and 4 digit aircraft type
designations. This designator has nothing to do with radio phraseology
except when an ATC facility asks for your aircraft type.
I was incorrect when I said that the Twinstar had its own designation, it is
no longer listed in the publication but it is on the DUAT websites when you
file a flight plan. It seems that the Laser is the only Kolb with a current
type designation.
*******************
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Gents,
All this talk about perception has really got me thinking about our evolving
pastime.
Here is a question.. With the new sport pilot certification...I mean the
category for the aircraft, I wonder if there is anything required by way of
paperwork to change a previously certified experimental into a sport
category?
And...if this stuff needs to be done, can we get away with just letting our
medical expire and continueing to Fly a MK 3 for instance, that is a
registered experimental?
OR Another question might come up if a person wants to buy a exp registered
bird, and fly it under sport rules....what do you do with the N-number and
registration?
I have a feeling there would be a pretty good paper-pushing chore ahead to
do this...anybody been able to figure it out?
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Don an all,
First question: I wonder if there is anything required by way of paperwork
to change a previously certified experimental into a sport category? Don't
confuse aircraft category with the registration process. An aircraft that is
registered as "Experimental-Amateur Built" is a "N" numbered aircraft and if
it is a Kolb, already is in the "Sport Pilot Category" and nothing needs to
be done.
Second question: And...if this stuff needs to be done, can we get away with
just letting our
medical expire and continue to Fly a MK 3 for instance, that is a registered
experimental? Again, nothing needs to be done registration wise. If you have
a Recreation Pilot Certificate or higher, you already have the privileges of
a Sport Pilot Certificate, If you don't have the need for an FAA medical
then don't renew it and fly with your valid drivers license. The down side
is that you will have to fly with all the restrictions and limitation of the
Sport Pilot Certificate. You don't have to let your medical expire, you can
tear it up if you like and just use your driver's license.
Third question: Another question might come up if a person wants to buy a
exp registered
bird, and fly it under sport rules....what do you do with the N-number and
registration? The "N-number" does not need to change. I may at the old or
new owners request to either keep that particular number or to gain a new
number. If the N-numbered experimental-amateur built aircraft meets the
requirements of a sport plane, then anyone with a student sport pilot
certificate or higher can fly it, with the correct endorsements.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Thx John,
Looks easier than I thought.
That brings up another question, speaking of easier....
If a fella buys a used exp that will qualify for sport pilot.....what does
he have to do to be able to do the work on it?...get that maintance license
for that aircraft ?
Or how about if you buy a wrecked bird?....does rebuilding it qualify you as
if you were the builder?
Don
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| Subject: | Re: experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
I asked a bunch of questions at the Sport Pilot Seminars at Oshkosh last
summer on this subject and I agree with John.
There is one clarification I would like to make on John's answer on question
2. There aren't many down sides. If you have your private pilot license you
are trained and can continue to fly a sport plane just as you had with a
valid medical under the private pilot license. You are legally able to fly
ANY sport plane without any specific sport type training (not recommended)
but you may. You have the right to fly into controlled air space (assuming
proper equipment), fly the high performance sport planes, and can get a
check ride in most any airplane. And it seems a bunch of other things
regular SP licensed pilots can't do. This means you can get a check ride in
for example a 172 without a medical, you just can't fly it solo or pilot in
command. There might be a restriction on night flights with no medical and
some other things but this is being defined and refined as time goes bye.
Personally I have taken my last physical. If I choose to fly a spam can
again I will get a prephysical just to make sure I can still pass. Be sure
you don't start a pilot physical and expect to stop half way through. I'm
told the forms are all numbered at the doctors office and the FAA checks out
missing numbers.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: experimental to sport?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Don an all,
>
> First question: I wonder if there is anything required by way of paperwork
> to change a previously certified experimental into a sport category? Don't
> confuse aircraft category with the registration process. An aircraft that
> is
> registered as "Experimental-Amateur Built" is a "N" numbered aircraft and
> if
> it is a Kolb, already is in the "Sport Pilot Category" and nothing needs
> to
> be done.
>
> Second question: And...if this stuff needs to be done, can we get away
> with
> just letting our
> medical expire and continue to Fly a MK 3 for instance, that is a
> registered
> experimental? Again, nothing needs to be done registration wise. If you
> have
> a Recreation Pilot Certificate or higher, you already have the privileges
> of
> a Sport Pilot Certificate, If you don't have the need for an FAA medical
> then don't renew it and fly with your valid drivers license. The down side
> is that you will have to fly with all the restrictions and limitation of
> the
> Sport Pilot Certificate. You don't have to let your medical expire, you
> can
> tear it up if you like and just use your driver's license.
>
> Third question: Another question might come up if a person wants to buy a
> exp registered
> bird, and fly it under sport rules....what do you do with the N-number and
> registration? The "N-number" does not need to change. I may at the old or
> new owners request to either keep that particular number or to gain a new
> number. If the N-numbered experimental-amateur built aircraft meets the
> requirements of a sport plane, then anyone with a student sport pilot
> certificate or higher can fly it, with the correct endorsements.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Don ,I'm not up to John Williamson's style for these question-and
-answer
responses, but here goes anyway:
(if a fella buys a used exp....) If you keep the same N-number and the
original
owner/builder had the mechanic auth. for that plane, he could still do
the
annual condition inspection for that plane. -or any licensed A&P.
If you want the maint license for that craft you would have to get a new
registration and N number.
Same for a wrecked bird (in my case TWO wrecks) -you can still repair
and fly it under the old N-number or apply for a new identity.
Neither of my previous owners were willing to relinquish their
paperwork,
one result being to reduce any future liability on their part.
Personally I would prefer the route of less red tape.
-BB do not archive
On 14, Feb 2005, at 2:16 PM, Don Gherardini wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini"
> <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Thx John,
> Looks easier than I thought.
>
> That brings up another question, speaking of easier....
> If a fella buys a used exp that will qualify for sport pilot.....what
> does
> he have to do to be able to do the work on it?...get that maintance
> license
> for that aircraft ?
>
> Or how about if you buy a wrecked bird?....does rebuilding it qualify
> you as
> if you were the builder?
> Don
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
. You don't have to let your medical expire, you can
> tear it up if you like and just use your driver's license.
John,
Isn't the medical on file with the FAA and still valid with the FAA until
normal expiration date? Kirk
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| Subject: | experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Be sure
you don't start a pilot physical and expect to stop half way through. I'm
told the forms are all numbered at the doctors office and the FAA checks out
missing numbers.
---------------
Hi Rick, This is interesting, and it's a question that I was planning to
ask next month when I go for my 3rd class physical.
I bet your doctor could help out if a form turned up "missing". The guy I
go do is on old country doctor, and his black lab wanders around the office.
He could say his dog ate it :-)
I'm don't expect any trouble getting my medical renewed, but I sure wouldn't
do it if I didn't have the RV-3.
Rusty
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| Subject: | experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Isn't the medical on file with the FAA and still valid with the FAA until
normal expiration date? Kirk
I've also wondered about something else. Is there a requirement to notify
the FAA of any change in your medical status? Certainly, you'd have to
notify them, and get it cleared up before you exercised private pilot
flight privileges, but if you never planned to fly as a private pilot
again, do you have to say anything?
Cheers,
Rusty
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| Subject: | experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "" <link@cdc.net>
I dont think there is a distinction between exp and sports plane
other than the
weight speed both stall and top and passengers
carried.
you can now fly a taylorcraft or a cub as a sports pilot also I believe
a piper
colt will fit in that catagory. you guys tell me if I am
wrong.
SRGLINK
>
------- Original Message -------
>From : Don Gherardini[mailto:donghe@one-eleven.net]
>Sent : 2/14/2005 1:00:19 PM
>To : kolb-list@matronics.com
>Cc :
>Subject : RE : Kolb-List: experimental to sport?
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>Gents,
>All this talk about perception has really got me thinking about our evolving
>pastime.
>
>Here is a question.. With the new sport pilot certification...I mean the
>category for the aircraft, I wonder if there is anything required by way of
>paperwork to change a previously certified experimental into a sport
>category?
>And...if this stuff needs to be done, can we get away with just letting our
>medical expire and continueing to Fly a MK 3 for instance, that is a
>registered experimental?
>
>OR Another question might come up if a person wants to buy a exp registered
>bird, and fly it under sport rules....what do you do with the N-number and
>registration?
>
>I have a feeling there would be a pretty good paper-pushing chore ahead to
>do this...anybody been able to figure it out?
>
>Don Gherardini
>FireFly 098
>http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
> paperwork to change a previously certified experimental into a sport
> category?
As I understand, and that's saying a lot because it's all pretty fuzzy yet,
a person who holds the SP license can fly ANY airplane that meets the
definition of LS, even if it was registered Experimental or even
certificated. Therefore, there's no "conversion" required. Similarly, if you
let your medical expire, you can still exercise the privileges of a Sport
Pilot in LS aircraft with your PP ticket.
For what it's worth...
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Yes the medical is on file with the FAA but you only have to carry the
paperwork for the privilege that you are exercising.
If you have a Recreational Pilot Certificate or higher and only want to
exercise the privileges of a Sport Pilot Certificate, you don't have to
carry the medical, only a valid drivers license.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
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| Subject: | Re: experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Yes the medical is on file with the FAA but you only have to carry the
> paperwork for the privilege that you are exercising.
That makes sense.......;o)
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| Subject: | experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Don and all,
You keep mixing apples and oranges here.
Experimental-Amateur Built aircraft is one category.
Light Sport Aircraft is another category.
Special Light-Sport aircraft is another category.
Experimental-Light Sport Aircraft is another category.
You can get a repairman certificate as the builder of an
Experimental-Amateur Built aircraft.
You have to go to the approved Maintenance and Inspection courses to do the
same things on Light Sport Aircraft, Special Light-Sport aircraft and
Experimental-Light Sport Aircraft or have an A&P do the work.
Sport Pilot is a certificate.
For the operation of an aircraft that meets the definition of "Light Sport
Aircraft" the aircraft itself may be in any of the above four categories or
a standard category FAA type certificated aircraft.
Question: how about if you buy a wrecked bird?....does rebuilding it qualify
you as if you were the builder? This gets in the area of "Maybe." It will
depend on how it was registered before and if you can show the paper trail
back to the Kit Manufacture. I would talk to the FAA or my local DAR about
the specific situation to get an answer.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
John & all,
I've been following this discussion of the details of the sport
pilotcertificate. Confusing ain't it? I understand that if I have a
private ticket which I do, and my medical has expired, which it has, I am
legal to fly under the sport pilot's regs without doing anything except
carry my private ticket and my driver's license when I fly and be in a plane
that fits the two place, and 1250 lbs. max thing and I'm legal. Am I right
so far? I have one more question, do I have to have a current BFR in my
logbook also.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: experimental to sport?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Don and all,
>
> You keep mixing apples and oranges here.
>
> Experimental-Amateur Built aircraft is one category.
> Light Sport Aircraft is another category.
> Special Light-Sport aircraft is another category.
> Experimental-Light Sport Aircraft is another category.
>
> You can get a repairman certificate as the builder of an
> Experimental-Amateur Built aircraft.
>
> You have to go to the approved Maintenance and Inspection courses to do
> the
> same things on Light Sport Aircraft, Special Light-Sport aircraft and
> Experimental-Light Sport Aircraft or have an A&P do the work.
>
> Sport Pilot is a certificate.
>
> For the operation of an aircraft that meets the definition of "Light Sport
> Aircraft" the aircraft itself may be in any of the above four categories
> or
> a standard category FAA type certificated aircraft.
>
> Question: how about if you buy a wrecked bird?....does rebuilding it
> qualify
> you as if you were the builder? This gets in the area of "Maybe." It will
> depend on how it was registered before and if you can show the paper trail
> back to the Kit Manufacture. I would talk to the FAA or my local DAR about
> the specific situation to get an answer.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
>
>
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| Subject: | experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Hi Dale,
Yes, you have to have a current Flight Review within the last 24 months
logged in the logbook by an appropriately rated Instructor. There are some
exceptions to this but most of us don't qualify to use them.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
No personal experience, but they are high on my list of the prop I might
buy. ...Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jung
Subject: Kolb-List: KievProp
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
Does anyone have any experience with a KievProp? I
would like to replace the 68" two blade IVO on my
Firestar II. I am seeking the quietest prop that I can
find.
John Jung
__________________________________
http://my.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: experimental to sport? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Thanks John.
Dale
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: experimental to sport?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Hi Dale,
>
> Yes, you have to have a current Flight Review within the last 24 months
> logged in the logbook by an appropriately rated Instructor. There are some
> exceptions to this but most of us don't qualify to use them.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 708 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
>
>
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