Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:14 AM - Re: corvair (Dale Sellers)
2. 05:10 AM - Another "blowed Up" Cuyuna (Edward Steuber)
3. 05:26 AM - Re: corvair (robert bean)
4. 06:02 AM - Re: ELT (Bob and Jenn B)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: corvair (Denny Rowe)
6. 06:18 AM - Re: corvair (snuffy@usol.com)
7. 06:35 AM - Re: corvair (russ kinne)
8. 07:09 AM - Re: Another "blowed Up" Cuyuna (Don Gherardini)
9. 07:17 AM - Re: corvair (Don Gherardini)
10. 07:17 AM - Re: corvair (John Hauck)
11. 07:31 AM - Re: corvair (John Hauck)
12. 07:33 AM - Re: corvair (Richard Pike)
13. 07:38 AM - Re: Another "blowed Up" Cuyuna (John Hauck)
14. 07:45 AM - Re: ELTs (John Williamson)
15. 08:34 AM - Re: corvair (snuffy@usol.com)
16. 08:36 AM - elt (b young)
17. 08:36 AM - Re: 912 Radiator Locations (Frank Reynen)
18. 02:07 PM - Re: corvair (woody)
19. 02:09 PM - Re: corvair (woody)
20. 05:39 PM - Re: corvair (ray anderson)
21. 06:40 PM - Safety Pins (N27SB@aol.com)
22. 07:58 PM - Re: corvair (Dennis Souder)
23. 08:55 PM - Re: Safety Pins (Richard Pike)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Woody,
Hicks are not confined only to the south!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: corvair
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> I recently had the oportunity to listen to William Wynn talk about Corvair
> conversions. I have been interested in this conversion for quite awhile
> and
> jumped at the chance to meet him and find out more. If anyone has this
> oportunity take it. He is very knowledgeable about all things aviation and
> technical. I was surprised. I thought he would just be a southern hick
> selling a plans book. He is a wealth of information on engines and props
> and
> not just book learning. he has gone out and found the answers through
> experimentation and real life situations. Best thing about this is that I
> think a corvair would fit on the Kolb. He claims that the Corvair will
> weigh about 30 lbs more than a realisticly weighed 912. That extra 30 lb
> is
> almost over the cg so should not be a major problem. Don't put down the
> corvair because of Ralph Naders book. It is an excellent engine and can be
> bought ready to install for $6500.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Another "blowed Up" Cuyuna |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Hey Kolbers,
Just thought I might throw this out there for anybody flying behind
the old Cuyuna's...I acquired an old wrecked CGS Hawk that I am in the process
of rebuilding that came with the cause of the wreck still installed...Cuyuna
UL202...the piston next to the fan was cooked . When removing the engine , the
induction bolts were finger tight ...further looking revealed that all the
head bolts were loose as well ......It would have taken less than 10 minutes to
check them all and this engine and airframe had less than 40 hours total...I
got the whole project for close to nothing ...because "everybody" knows Cuyuna's
are junk....A little preventive maintenance would have deprived me of this
project ...... Cuyuna's got another bad rap ! I intend to rebuild the Cuyuna
and use it ...I have had 2 others that were trouble free with about 200 hours
betwwen the 2 . ...I know that is not a lot compared to some of you more "experienced
" drivers .
Anybody out there have a lot of time behind Cuyuna's ? How about
a contest ?..... Who has the highest time behind a Cuyuna before it either "Blowed
Up" or was torn down for overhaul . ...Preferrably in a Kolb...but all
others will be considered....
Cuyuna ED
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I think Woody was referring to southern Canada!
do not archive
On 18, Feb 2005, at 6:24 AM, Dale Sellers wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> Woody,
> Hicks are not confined only to the south!
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: corvair
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>>
>> I recently had the oportunity to listen to William Wynn talk about
>> Corvair
>> conversions. I have been interested in this conversion for quite
>> awhile
>> and
>> jumped at the chance to meet him and find out more. If anyone has this
>> oportunity take it. He is very knowledgeable about all things
>> aviation and
>> technical. I was surprised. I thought he would just be a southern hick
>> selling a plans book. He is a wealth of information on engines and
>> props
>> and
>> not just book learning. he has gone out and found the answers through
>> experimentation and real life situations. Best thing about this is
>> that I
>> think a corvair would fit on the Kolb. He claims that the Corvair
>> will
>> weigh about 30 lbs more than a realisticly weighed 912. That extra 30
>> lb
>> is
>> almost over the cg so should not be a major problem. Don't put down
>> the
>> corvair because of Ralph Naders book. It is an excellent engine and
>> can be
>> bought ready to install for $6500.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob and Jenn B" <tabberdd@hotmail.com>
An ELT is required for all registered fixed wing aircraft with more than one
seat unless you are performing training within a 50 mile radius. It must be
inspected at every annual and batteries changed at the expiration date. You
must be able to activate the ELT while positioned in the pilots seat, which
is why most have the remote switch to place on the panel. Hope that helps.
Bob
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
do not archive
Woody,
No doubt you need a Corvair on that Mk-3. First thing you want to do is
remove that Jab and sell it to me.! Cheap. :-)
Denny Rowe
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>>>
. I have been interested in this conversion for quite
>>> awhile
>>> think a corvair would fit on the Kolb. He claims that the Corvair
>>> will
>>> weigh about 30 lbs more than a realisticly weighed 912. That extra 30
>>> lb
>>> is
>>> almost over the cg so should not be a major problem. Don't put down
>>> the
>>> corvair because of Ralph Naders book. It is an excellent engine and
>>> can be
>>> bought ready to install for $6500.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
When did they quit making the corvair about 1964? I had a 1960 corvair
and it ran ok but had problems with the differential. Wonder where they
are getting the engines?
Do not
archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Southern Canada is where nearly ALL Canadians live!
On Feb 18, 2005, at 8:36 AM, robert bean wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> I think Woody was referring to southern Canada!
> do not archive
> On 18, Feb 2005, at 6:24 AM, Dale Sellers wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>
>> Woody,
>> Hicks are not confined only to the south!
>> do not archive
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Kolb-List: corvair
>>
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>>>
>>> I recently had the oportunity to listen to William Wynn talk about
>>> Corvair
>>> conversions. I have been interested in this conversion for quite
>>> awhile
>>> and
>>> jumped at the chance to meet him and find out more. If anyone has
>>> this
>>> oportunity take it. He is very knowledgeable about all things
>>> aviation and
>>> technical. I was surprised. I thought he would just be a southern
>>> hick
>>> selling a plans book. He is a wealth of information on engines and
>>> props
>>> and
>>> not just book learning. he has gone out and found the answers through
>>> experimentation and real life situations. Best thing about this is
>>> that I
>>> think a corvair would fit on the Kolb. He claims that the Corvair
>>> will
>>> weigh about 30 lbs more than a realisticly weighed 912. That extra 30
>>> lb
>>> is
>>> almost over the cg so should not be a major problem. Don't put down
>>> the
>>> corvair because of Ralph Naders book. It is an excellent engine and
>>> can be
>>> bought ready to install for $6500.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another "blowed Up" Cuyuna |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Ed,
105hrs now behind my Cuyuna powered FireFly....and I look at the head bolts
and the crankcase thru bolts every time I think of it....made special
provisions in my motor mount to be able to re-torque the bottom crankcase
bolts with out dis-mounting the engine.
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
IF my poor memory serves me right...I think they were made up to 69....I
remember for sure 69 models, but I cant remember any 70 models....whew...was
in high school then...seems like just yesterday when I start thinking about
cars!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| do not archive
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
| To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Kolb-List: corvair
|
|
| > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
| >
| > I recently had the oportunity to listen to William Wynn talk about
Corvair
| > conversions. I have been interested in this conversion for quite
awhile
| > and
| > jumped at the chance to meet him and find out more. If anyone has
this
| > oportunity take it. He is very knowledgeable about all things
aviation and
| > technical. I was surprised. I thought he would just be a southern
hick
| > selling a plans book. He is a wealth of information on engines and
props
| > and
| > not just book learning. he has gone out and found the answers
through
| > experimentation and real life situations. Best thing about this
is that I
| > think a corvair would fit on the Kolb. He claims that the Corvair
will
| > weigh about 30 lbs more than a realisticly weighed 912. That extra
30 lb
| > is
| > almost over the cg so should not be a major problem. Don't put
down the
| > corvair because of Ralph Naders book. It is an excellent engine
and can be
| > bought ready to install for $6500.
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Looks like I fired a blank on my previous post.
I was going to make a comment on us "southern hicks" but you all beat
me to the punch.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
They made Corvairs until 1969. The early ones (1960-1964) had a multi-piece
gasket seal between the engine and chassis that was a soup sandwich to fit
properly, so it was not unusual for mechanics to leave it out following
maintenance. Which meant that the next time you drove it on a dusty road,
the rear wheels threw dust and dirt into the engine compartment, which the
cooling fan sucked up & plastered all over the cooling fins, which killed
the airflow, made it overheat, cooked the gaskets and o-rings and then it
leaked like a sieve.
Even then it was still hard to kill - I bought a '64 convertible about 13
years ago and drove it home in that condition, then discovered it had only
partial airflow around the cylinders, no airflow through the head fins or
oil cooler at all, totally clogged with oily dirt. It got hot and ran bad
but still made the 45 minute trip home. The old guy I bought it from said
it tended to run poorly after you drove it a while... After I grubbed
several pounds of oily dirt from around all the fins and replaced the
gaskets and o-rings, it ran pretty good -
In 1965 Chevrolet went to a big one piece pop in foam gasket that fit
around the engine compartment, but by then Corvairs had a reputation for
being oil leakers and engine cookers. (Doh) There are still scads of
engines around, and as it is a simple, old technology engine, it is easy
and cheap to overhaul. Since it still has a large enthusiast base, there
are many businesses supporting it.
I thought about putting one on my MKIII, but IMO, that is way too heavy. No
way would I want a 230 pound engine sitting three feet up behind my head if
things go bad.
Besides, isn't that a lot more weight - especially in that area- than the
airframe was designed for? I think it would be hard to have two people and
ten gallons of fuel in a Corvair powered MKIII and not be up to at least
1200 pounds takeoff weight.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:17 AM 2/18/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
>
>When did they quit making the corvair about 1964? I had a 1960 corvair
>and it ran ok but had problems with the differential. Wonder where they
>are getting the engines?
>
>Do not
>archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another "blowed Up" Cuyuna |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Anybody out there have a lot of time behind Cuyuna's ?
How about a contest ?..... Who has the highest time behind a Cuyuna
before it either "Blowed Up" or was torn down for overhaul .
...Preferrably in a Kolb...but all others will be considered....
|
Cuyuna ED
Morning Ed:
My first airplane engine was a Cuyuna ULII02 in my the Ultrastar.
Flew it for 385 hours. Primary problem I had with this engine was
cylinder getting loose and blowing the PTO cyl base gasket. Was my
fault because it was difficult to get to the bolts to retorque. In
order to torque them, the engine had to be dropped from the engine
mount. Back in those days I would rather fly than pull maintenance.
This resulted in pulling the engine and cyls to replace the gaskets.
Other than that, it was a great little engine.
I also put 75 hours on my buddies Cuyuna in his Ultrstar. At 10 hours
the double row crank bearing on the PTO end failed, seized the engine
at 2,500 feet. Had enough altitude to make it to a big hay field a
mile short of my airstrip. Other than the crank bearing, this little
engine was a good'un.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
BB and all,
You were correct in your first email in that the place to check the
requirements on the ELT and ELT batteries is in the FARs. Here is a link to
the proper section, FAR 91.207:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/0CA5C0
070BD29144862569CF005F1030?OpenDocument
Here is what the paragraph on battery life and replacement reads:
c) Batteries used in the emergency locator transmitters required by
paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section must be replaced (or recharged, if
the batteries are rechargeable)--
(1) When the transmitter has been in use for more than 1 cumulative hour; or
(2) When 50 percent of their useful life (or, for rechargeable batteries, 50
percent of their useful life of charge) has expired, as established by the
transmitter manufacturer under its approval.
The new expiration date for replacing (or recharging) the battery must be
legibly marked on the outside of the transmitter and entered in the aircraft
maintenance record.
So for the "D" cell batteries, you find the month and year half way between
the installation date and the date marked on the batteries and that becomes
the date you mark on the ELT and in the maintenance record.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 711 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
>
> They made Corvairs until 1969. The early ones (1960-1964) had a
My 60 corvair had a gas heater in the trunk. I mean it used gasoline.
Put out heat instantly. Worked great at cold drive in theaters but I did
find a heater I liked better.....oh the good old days.....;>)
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
how many in the group actually have one installed in their registered
plane. My brother gave me a new ameri-king AK450,
-------------
I have the same unit on my mkIII i had some tabs welded on the left side right
behind the seat to mount it to.....
do not archive
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Radiator Locations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frank Reynen" <frank_reynen@ix.netcom.com>
> Hi Steven G,
>
> Mark and I have installed the coolant radiator in frond of the engine and
> the oil cooler of the rear engine mounts on our Kolbras. It makes for a
very
> neat package.
My setup on the MKIII is shown on my website with the radiator also up front
and the oilcooler behind
I went one step further and also moved the carbs to the back.(thanks to a
suggestion from J Hauck).
(click on the link to the tech info page)
This setup is 5 yrs and 384 hrs old.
www.webcom.com/reynen/mark3.html
Frank Reynen
do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I stand corrected. I had no idea the 912 only weighed 75 lbs with carbs,
exhaust, rad, oil, and water.
Hicks are everywhere trying to scam us smart folks. Don't have to be
southerners to be hicks. Just like Paris Hilton proves you don't have to be
poor to be white trash.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: corvair
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
>
> Hi Woody/Gang:
>
> How much does this guy think a 912 weighs?
>
> This url indicates his Corvair will weigh: "It will have an electric
> starter and a small alternator and when so equipped it will weigh 225
> pounds."
>
> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/corvair.html
>
> Here is a spec sheet from The Corvair Authority, William Wynn:
>
> http://www.flycorvair.com/corvair.html#Engine%20Specs
>
> Seems the VW, Corvair, Verner, Jabiru folks all compare their stuff to
> the 912. Sooner or later they will get it right. Everyone knows the
> 912 all up weight is 75 lbs. ;-)
>
> john h
>
> PS: Last time I made a comment about a Corvair engine the preacher
> fired off a firey blast at me. In order to protect myself from his
> wrath and the wrath of others, I shall reserve comment on the Corvair
> and all other engines I know nothing about.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I would but I need it on my old mk 111. Maybe I can go with a corvair on
my new mk111
>
> do not archive
> Woody,
> No doubt you need a Corvair on that Mk-3. First thing you want to do is
> remove that Jab and sell it to me.! Cheap. :-)
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
My Rotax spec sheet says the 912 weighs 132 lbs. with starter. The only engine
used on aircraft that developed one H.P per lb. of weight is the old two stroke
McCullough weighing 75 lbs. and producing 75+ H.P.
woody <duesouth@govital.net> wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody"
I stand corrected. I had no idea the 912 only weighed 75 lbs with carbs,
exhaust, rad, oil, and water.
Hicks are everywhere trying to scam us smart folks. Don't have to be
southerners to be hicks. Just like Paris Hilton proves you don't have to be
poor to be white trash.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck"
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: corvair
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"
>
>
>
> Hi Woody/Gang:
>
> How much does this guy think a 912 weighs?
>
> This url indicates his Corvair will weigh: "It will have an electric
> starter and a small alternator and when so equipped it will weigh 225
> pounds."
>
> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/corvair.html
>
> Here is a spec sheet from The Corvair Authority, William Wynn:
>
> http://www.flycorvair.com/corvair.html#Engine%20Specs
>
> Seems the VW, Corvair, Verner, Jabiru folks all compare their stuff to
> the 912. Sooner or later they will get it right. Everyone knows the
> 912 all up weight is 75 lbs. ;-)
>
> john h
>
> PS: Last time I made a comment about a Corvair engine the preacher
> fired off a firey blast at me. In order to protect myself from his
> wrath and the wrath of others, I shall reserve comment on the Corvair
> and all other engines I know nothing about.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
To All,
Has anyone else noticed, but , I ordered a pack of the safety pins from
Aircraft Spruce that are commonly used on the clevis pins that hold the wings on
and the lift struts. The catalog says that they are AN416-1 mil spec cad plated
spring steel but the ones I got are Stainless Steel. They clearly do not have
the tension or the strength that the steel ones have. I called Aircraft Spruce
and the girl on the phone told me I was mistaken and that I could only have
the spring steel ones. I guess that they found a way to make Steel immune to a
magnet. I doubt that a stainless one would fail but then again for an 8 cent
part that holds your wing on why scrimp. Has anyone else seen this? Where can
I get the real ones?
Steve B
Prepping the WetFly for Sun n Fun
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
Woody,
We pulled a 912 of an airplane one time and weighed the complete package.
Its "wet" weight was 167 lb. Radiator, oil cooler, muffler, air cleaners,
oil, coolant, cables, motor mount, etc. etc. ... it all adds up.
As I recall a very basic 1800 VW we had built with 1 vertex mag weighed 155
lb., but this did not have electric start, dual ignition, muffler or
alternator.
I suspect he is correct about the CG too, the longer engine would put the
front cylinders very close to the CG of the airplane.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: corvair
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> I recently had the oportunity to listen to William Wynn talk about
Corvair
> conversions. I have been interested in this conversion for quite awhile
and
> jumped at the chance to meet him and find out more. If anyone has this
> oportunity take it. He is very knowledgeable about all things aviation and
> technical. I was surprised. I thought he would just be a southern hick
> selling a plans book. He is a wealth of information on engines and props
and
> not just book learning. he has gone out and found the answers through
> experimentation and real life situations. Best thing about this is that I
> think a corvair would fit on the Kolb. He claims that the Corvair will
> weigh about 30 lbs more than a realisticly weighed 912. That extra 30 lb
is
> almost over the cg so should not be a major problem. Don't put down the
> corvair because of Ralph Naders book. It is an excellent engine and can be
> bought ready to install for $6500.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
I ran into the same problem, plus I just don't like that style of pin, it
is too easy to accidently open if it gets brushed against. Or removed by
the inquisitive/malicious. What I did was make my own safety rings like the
one on the end of the Quick Release Pin on the Aircraft Spruce page here.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ha/pins.html.
If you go to Lowes, Home Depot or probably any hardware store, you can buy
a spring that measures 5/8" OD, with a 1/16" diameter wire. Then go to work
with a pair of side cutters and a needle nose pliers and you can make a
half a dozen safety rings in about 15 minutes. An 8" long spring will make
a lifetime supply. Not Cad plated, but certainly spring steel. A little
harder to get on, and a lot harder to get off. As Martha Stewart would say
after she gets out of jail, "That's a good thing."
PS - never use any safety pin anywhere low enough to get plucked by grass
or a twig. Use a cotter pin instead.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:39 PM 2/18/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
>
>To All,
>Has anyone else noticed, but , I ordered a pack of the safety pins from
>Aircraft Spruce that are commonly used on the clevis pins that hold the
>wings on
>and the lift struts. The catalog says that they are AN416-1 mil spec cad
>plated
>spring steel but the ones I got are Stainless Steel. They clearly do not have
>the tension or the strength that the steel ones have. I called Aircraft
>Spruce
>and the girl on the phone told me I was mistaken and that I could only have
>the spring steel ones. I guess that they found a way to make Steel immune
>to a
>magnet. I doubt that a stainless one would fail but then again for an 8 cent
>part that holds your wing on why scrimp. Has anyone else seen this? Where can
>I get the real ones?
>
>Steve B
>Prepping the WetFly for Sun n Fun
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