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1. 03:17 AM - Re: MKIII 582 prop size (Jim Ballenger)
2. 07:00 AM - Re: Safety Pins (BKlebon@aol.com)
3. 10:09 AM - 912 on Barnstormers (bryan green)
4. 10:14 AM - Re: MKIII 582 prop size (pollus)
5. 10:45 AM - Re: Safety Pins (John Hauck)
6. 12:30 PM - Re: Safety Pins (Larry Cottrell)
7. 01:01 PM - Re: Safety Pins (John Hauck)
8. 02:00 PM - Re: Safety Pins (Kolbdriver)
9. 02:34 PM - Re: Safety Pins (snuffy@usol.com)
10. 03:02 PM - Re: Safety Pins (ul15rhb@juno.com)
11. 03:07 PM - Re: Safety Pins (John Hauck)
12. 05:01 PM - 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) (H MITCHELL)
13. 05:46 PM - Re: Safety Pins (N27SB@aol.com)
14. 05:50 PM - Re: Safety Pins (Rusty)
15. 05:58 PM - Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) (N27SB@aol.com)
16. 06:16 PM - Re: Safety Pins (John Hauck)
17. 06:40 PM - Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) (Kolbdriver)
18. 06:48 PM - Re: Safety Pins (Rusty)
19. 06:56 PM - Re: Safety Pins (John Hauck)
20. 07:28 PM - Re: Safety Pins (ray anderson)
21. 08:13 PM - Re: Safety Pins (HShack@aol.com)
22. 09:05 PM - Pins and such (Dale Sellers)
23. 09:08 PM - Re: Safety Pins (Rusty)
24. 09:56 PM - Re: cuyunna (Rick Pearce)
25. 10:15 PM - Cuyunna hub (Rick Pearce)
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII 582 prop size |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
That's exactly what I am putting on my MK III X 582 as recommended by the
Warp factory.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: MKIII 582 prop size
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I will be putting a 582 on the MKIII. I have a warp taper tip 3 blade 66"
I
> can buy for a good price. Will it work? Thanks in advance.
>
> Giovanni Day
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: BKlebon@aol.com
You can also get the rings at any marine supply outlet that sells supplies
for sail boats.
I have been using them on the lower strut/cage attachment point since I read
several years ago about someone taxiing through tall grass and having the
safety pin type getting snagged by the grass and pulled loose.
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| Subject: | 912 on Barnstormers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Morning all, I just ran across a bent Titan for sale on barnstormers has
a 912 low hours and nice panel. Might work good on a Mark III the guy
only wants 10,000 for the whole works. Do not archive
Bryan Green no got the money right now :-(
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII 582 prop size |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Ok, I took a ruler with me to the hangar and measured my prop, my
previous numbers where out of the books.
It came out I have a prop on my MK3 which measures from heart to tip
exactly 87 cm. That gives a diameter of 174 cm (or 68.5" by US
standards)
The exact distance to the tail boom is 4,5 cm (which is 1 3/4 ")
So, I think you are safe!
Regards, Pollus
Op 20-feb-05 om 12:16 heeft Jim Ballenger het volgende geschreven:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
> That's exactly what I am putting on my MK III X 582 as recommended by
> the
> Warp factory.
> Jim Ballenger
> Flying a FS KXP 447
> Building a MK III X
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
> To: "Kolb list" <Kolb-List@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: MKIII 582 prop size
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Giovanni Day" <gde01@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I will be putting a 582 on the MKIII. I have a warp taper tip 3 blade
>> 66"
> I
>> can buy for a good price. Will it work? Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Giovanni Day
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
supplies
| for sail boats.
Hi All:
I have been following the thread on Safety Pins and Rings since I
joined this List at the turn of the Century. No, it was even earlier
than that, Jan or Feb 1998.
I don't have to trailer or fold my airplane, so........I don't use
clevises and safety pins.
If I did fold my airplane, I would continue to use AN bolts and nyloc
nuts. Anyone ever see the difference in time between assembly and
disassembly of a Kolb using clevises verses bolts and nuts? Would be
interesting to know. Probably not more than a few seconds.
Also, by drilling lift struts and welding bushings in both ends, one
eliminates elongation of holes caused by vibration and lose clevises.
My thoughts only,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
John said
> I don't have to trailer or fold my airplane, so........I don't use
> clevises and safety pins.
>
> If I did fold my airplane, I would continue to use AN bolts and nyloc
> nuts.
John and all,
the only problem with using nyloc bolts is that they should be discarded
after they have been loosen or the bolt would have to be drilled for a
cotter key. I have been using the brass rings from a marine store since 97,
and while I do not have a great amount of time on my plane (240hrs) I do
have to take it apart each time and I have yet to have any problem with the
rings or the holes being elongated. I also do not make it a habit to fly in
rough conditions, Mostly I prefer the "velvet sky". The other stuff makes my
wife grumpy when she does the laundry. Again it is all what one likes or
will accept.
Larry, Oregon
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
discarded
| after they have been loosen or the bolt would have to be drilled for
a
| cotter key. | Larry, Oregon
Hi Larry/Gang:
I forget what the reg says on reusing nyloc nuts. Here's what I gauge
mine on. If I can thread the nut on the bolt and into the nyloc and
no further than a thread or two, I reuse. It ain't coming off without
a wrench. I use mine any number of times until the nyloc gets to the
point it will not do its job.
I guess it would get expensive if you used new nylocs everytime you
unfolded and flew.
Reference elongation of lift strut bolt holes:
It isn't the rough air that makes the holes elongate and where/wallow
out. It is the vibration inherent in both two and four stroke
engines, props, and air getting ruffled up a little when it flows over
the airframe. The more you fly the more they will wear.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
Has anyone ever had a "standard Kolb issue safety pin" fail and come out
during flight?
I fold and trailer my plane each flight and replace the safety each year
during the annual and have had no reason to fear them. Just curious what
the stats are on them failing as they are used on Kolbs. I will seek out
the original pins instead of the SS ones. Most grades of SS fatigue
quickly.
Just my thoughts.
Still have a complete 582 engine package for sale!
Steven Green
MK III
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
I wonder who has the most hours folding and unfolding their wings?
Do not
archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
-- snuffy@usol.com wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com
I wonder who has the most hours folding and unfolding their wings?
I have 762 hours with 415 wing folds. Some of the wing folds were for setup only
and 0 hours flying after setup. The plane is stored in my garage.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
18 years flying it
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
come out
| during flight?
Steven/All:
I have never heard of a pin failing.
The primary reason we went to bolts and bushing was wear on the holes
and bolts. Bolts can be replaced, but holes can't. Besides, when I
would load and unload the wings, I didn't like to hear that thump
caused by wallowed out holes. If you don't fly much you won't wear
them out.
Have heard of folks flying without them. ;-)
john h
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| Subject: | 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:01:34 -0500
4.08 DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 Date: is 12 to 24 hours after Received: date
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Hey gang,
I was surprised that no one noticed the error in my last report. I said my plane
had a tendency to roll to the right so I lowered the trailing edge of my left
wing. Horrors!,, that would make a right roll a lot worse. What I meant to say
was that some right stick pressure was required and lowering the trailing edge
of the left wing made the stick stay pretty well centered. Gene L. told me
about it at lunch today advising me to be ready for some e-criticism. Joke's
on him, apparently nobody read it.
Fly Safe,
Duane the plane Mitchell, Mk3/912, IVO
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 2/20/2005 1:46:37 P.M. SA Pacific Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
Hi All:
I have been following the thread on Safety Pins and Rings since I
joined this List at the turn of the Century. No, it was even earlier
than that, Jan or Feb 1998.
I don't have to trailer or fold my airplane, so........I don't use
clevises and safety pins.
If I did fold my airplane, I would continue to use AN bolts and nyloc
nuts. Anyone ever see the difference in time between assembly and
disassembly of a Kolb using clevises verses bolts and nuts? Would be
interesting to know. Probably not more than a few seconds.
Also, by drilling lift struts and welding bushings in both ends, one
eliminates elongation of holes caused by vibration and lose clevises.
My thoughts only,
john h
Thanks to All,
I really thought about this whole safety pin thing before I posted. I think
the idea and simplicity is great and has been well proven. It's just that I am
one of those guys that hates to ride on the Ferris Wheel at the Fair and
look at all of those pins holding things together. What got my attention was the
fact that the stainless steel ones lose their tension after a few cycles.
Since I have to fold the FireFly on floats every time I fly I have to use
something. I plan to use the nyloc castle nuts with a safety pin or ring. That
also includes the bolt in the tail that holds the support cables. The extra
time it takes is worth the piece of mind.
Thanks to everyone's ideas.
Steve B
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Anyone ever see the difference in time between assembly and
disassembly of a Kolb using clevises verses bolts and nuts? Would be
interesting to know. Probably not more than a few seconds.
---------------------
Probably closer to a few minutes difference, than a few seconds.
Rusty (Slingshot versus Sonerai debate continues)
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| Subject: | Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 2/20/2005 8:02:38 P.M. SA Pacific Standard Time,
mitchmnd@msn.com writes:
Joke's on him, apparently nobody read it.
Hi Duane,
Read what you wrote, Knew what you meant. Your little Firefly is doing
great. It is getting a facelift for Sun n Fun.
do not archive
Steve
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
|
| Rusty (Slingshot versus Sonerai debate continues)
Hi Rusty/Gang:
Some of us are quicker than others.
Then some of us might take a few minutes to try to make a decision on
which nut to tighten up first.
I have never actually time myself to see how long it takes to start a
1/4" nyloc nut on a bolt and snug it up. I am sure it would only take
a few seconds. Especially is one used a cordless driver. A cordless
driver in low gear would snug them up in a flash.
I probably need to clarify my post reference reusing nyloc nuts. I
reread it after it was posted to the Kolb List and discovered I had
not done a good job of describing the operation. I should have
emphasized that finger tight nyloc without being able to run it all
the way down to the point the end of the bolt comes through the nut is
still a serviceable nyloc nut to me. Do not recommend anyone else use
this to determine serviceability of nyloc nuts. Ya'll go by the FAA
published directives.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
> Fly Safe,
>
> Duane the plane Mitchell, Mk3/912, IVO
Duane,
Just curious, how did you go about lowering the trailing edge? When I was
trimming my MKIII I made a wider yoke for the universal at the rear wing
attachment that allowed for some adjustment.
Steven G.
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
I have never actually time myself to see how long it takes to start a
1/4" nyloc nut on a bolt and snug it up. I am sure it would only take
a few seconds. Especially is one used a cordless driver. A cordless
driver in low gear would snug them up in a flash.
--------------------
(RD) Well, if you're going to use power tools... I bet a pit crew could do
it even faster :-)
I probably need to clarify my post reference reusing nyloc nuts.
-------------------
(RD) I'd have to look it up, but I thought you were allowed to reuse a
fiber nut 2 or 3 times, but I can't recall if that was a recognized safe
thing to do, or the actual FAA foolishness. I personally reuse them a few
times, UNLESS it's a flight critical item like a control surface. I've
thrown away lots of perfectly good nuts, just because it wasn't worth a few
cents to take a chance.
Cheers,
Rusty (can't be satisfied just one plane)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Rusty (can't be satisfied just one plane)
OK Folks:
Check it out! Looks like Rusty has made a decision. "(can't be
satisfied just one plane)"
Way to go Rusty.
Look forward to seeing you and all the rest of the gang at Lakeland
very soon.
Can't remember the last time I visited with Rusty.
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
Circle cotters are as safe as you can get and are easier to use than safety pins.
Just as fast or faster than locknuts would be an old fashioned cotter pin both
on installing and removing and a heck a lot cheaper. A pair of side cutters
would remove that size pin quickly and easily. I still have faith in the circle
cotters. My old C3 Aeroncas with the wire wing bracing (no struts) used nothing
but clevis pins and cotter pins. Never heard of a wing failure even doing
pretty violent aerobatics with them (not me).
Kolbdriver <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net> wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver"
Has anyone ever had a "standard Kolb issue safety pin" fail and come out
during flight?
I fold and trailer my plane each flight and replace the safety each year
during the annual and have had no reason to fear them. Just curious what
the stats are on them failing as they are used on Kolbs. I will seek out
the original pins instead of the SS ones. Most grades of SS fatigue
quickly.
Just my thoughts.
Still have a complete 582 engine package for sale!
Steven Green
MK III
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 2/20/2005 5:34:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
snuffy@usol.com writes:
I wonder who has the most hours folding and unfolding their wings?
At our field, there is a guy who has over 450 hours on his FS II. He folds.
He can do it in 6 minutes flat [if he wants to].
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Kolb Gang,
I think what all this chatter about pins and bolts and nuts boils down to what
we all do...USE COMMON SENSE. One can analyze a thing to death. FAA regs are
kinda like religion (sorry Richard), it's a good thing but obsession can be
bad for ya. After all, we all should be able to evaluate a given situation and
dettermine whether it is safe and we're comfortable with it. After all, we
built these things and I think nobody knows mine like I do.
my 2 1/2 cents.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar.
PS: What I can't figure out is how I am going to travel X-country because I have
to use a uninary cathater to releave myself. That's worse than flying through
a storm and trying to fold a sectional in an open cockpit.
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
At our field, there is a guy who has over 450 hours on his FS II. He folds.
He can do it in 6 minutes flat [if he wants to].
-----------
(RD) I bet he ain't using bolts and fiber nuts :-)
Rusty (Sonerai taking the lead)
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
Ted; A buddy of mine just bought a Quicksilver less eng. He needs the taper
hub that fits the cuyuanna eng. Would you have one too sell.
;
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Cowan" <trc1917@direcway.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: cuyunna
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <trc1917@direcway.com>
>
> just want to mention here that if anyone needs or has a use for a reverse
> fan for the cuyunna engine, I have one. you can use the engine in a
tractor
> situation. make me a deal. I flew a Cobra with cuyunna engines for lots
of
> years with no problem. you are all right about having to watch and retorq
> the heads and other bolts also. constant care on that engine but it would
> serve you if you didnt bully it like we do our ratty-axe engines. think I
> have a bunch of ole cuyunna stuff hanging around, pistons, carbs,
mufflers,
> stuff like that if anyone wants it. ted cowan.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com>
I'm trying to get a fellow ultralighter in the air. Do any of you have a
tapered hub for a Cuyunna laying around that you would be willing to sell?
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