Kolb-List Digest Archive

Mon 02/21/05


Total Messages Posted: 23



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:00 AM - Re: Cuyunna hub (Dale Sellers)
     2. 04:13 AM - Re: Safety Pins (JIM HEFNER)
     3. 05:31 AM - Re: Pins and such (Richard Pike)
     4. 05:40 AM - Re: Safety Pins (ul15rhb@juno.com)
     5. 05:46 AM - Re: Safety Pins (ul15rhb@juno.com)
     6. 06:44 AM - Re: Safety Pins (Denny Rowe)
     7. 07:42 AM - Re: 912 Radiator Locations (ghaley@wt.net)
     8. 08:20 AM - Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) (Steve Kroll)
     9. 08:50 AM - Correcting Adverse Roll Tendancies (John Hauck)
    10. 09:16 AM - Re: elt (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
    11. 09:39 AM - Re: Safety Pins (HShack@aol.com)
    12. 10:10 AM - Re: Safety Pins (ray anderson)
    13. 11:12 AM - Fluids (russ kinne)
    14. 11:38 AM - Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
    15. 11:41 AM - Re: Fluids (ray anderson)
    16. 12:06 PM - Re: Fluids (Richard Pike)
    17. 01:01 PM - Re: Fluids (Michael Sharp)
    18. 04:25 PM - Re: Fluids (George E. Thompson)
    19. 05:26 PM - Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) (H MITCHELL)
    20. 05:55 PM - Re: Safety Pins (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
    21. 06:48 PM - Re: Fluids (Beauford)
    22. 07:30 PM - Re: Fluids (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
    23. 07:31 PM - Re: Fluids (possums)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:00:23 AM PST US
    From: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Cuyunna hub
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net> Try J-Bird in Wisc. Maybe you can get the number from someone else on the list. I can't fine mine. I got one from them. Dale S. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Cuyunna hub > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" <rap@isp.com> > > I'm trying to get a fellow ultralighter in the air. Do any of you > have a tapered hub for a Cuyunna laying around that you would be willing > to sell? > > >


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    Time: 04:13:49 AM PST US
    From: "JIM HEFNER" <hefner_jim@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Safety Pins
    Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:12:36 -0700 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "JIM HEFNER" <hefner_jim@msn.com> Time: 02:00:47 PM PST US From: "Kolbdriver" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net<mailto:Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Safety Pins --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net<mailto:Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>> Has anyone ever had a "standard Kolb issue safety pin" fail and come out during flight? I had a safety pin on the top wing attach point bolt of my Firefly apparently fail last year. I setup my plane each time I fly and double check all safety pins after I finish setup as part of my preflight. I use my reading glasses for the preflight check since I don't use them during setup. I check the safety pins to ensure the long pin part of the safety pins are bottomed in the U's of the clip. After flying that day, only about an hour, when I was doing tear down, I found the left top bolt had no safety pin, which gave me weak knees (for quite a while afterward) when I found it!! At the time I was using 3 new safety pins from Aircraft Spruce (spring steel, not SS) and one older pin that looked pretty new. The older pin is the one that was missing. Believe me, I now change those safety pins much more often (at least twice a year if I'm not flying a lot). Fortunately the top attach point bolt had not moved at all, since I assume there is a lot of constant force on them during flight. I notice my lower strut bolts move around a lot more during flight, so I would not want to fly without a safety pin on a lower strut attach point very long, based on what I've observed, so I think I got lucky that the one that failed was on the top wing attach point and not a lower strut attach point. The idea of using the round rings on the lower struts is something I will start doing. The lower strut attach point bolts are much easier to access, so this should not add significant setup time and would be safer than the normal safety pins for all the reasons that have been discussed. I setup my Firefly normally in 8 to 10 minutes (8 when hurrying). I use an ANR bolt and plastic loc nut on the rear tail feather guy wire attach point. I reuse those nuts as long as there is good pressure required to install and remove them. I change the bolt and nut once a year whether they need it or not as part of my annual inspection and maint. Thanks for this discussion. Jim Hefner Tucson, AZ Firefly #022 187 hours - haven't counted log entries for # of setup's but others have done many more than me. If it don't stop raining in AZ pretty soon the safety pins might rust out if any plating is missing....


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    Time: 05:31:36 AM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Subject: Re: Pins and such
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> At 12:04 AM 2/21/2005 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net> ><snip> FAA regs are kinda like religion (sorry Richard), <snip> >my 2 1/2 cents. >Dale Sellers >Georgia UltraStar. Don't be sorry for my sake, there is a lot of that sort of religion around. It's called "legalism." But I try real hard to make sure we don't have any at our church... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) http://www.bcchapel.org/page001.htm


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    Time: 05:40:01 AM PST US
    From: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
    Subject: Re: Safety Pins
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com> -- "JIM HEFNER" <hefner_jim@msn.com> wrote: Has anyone ever had a "standard Kolb issue safety pin" fail and come out during flight? Never a hint of one coming out. I use the stainless ones used for sailboats that have the easy-start center. They overlap only a half turn, but they cannot come loose because they would have to overcome the ring tension. The main wing clevis pins always want to back out to the ring. If I forgot the ring, it would come out and this would not make my day. Ralph Original Firestar 18 years flying it Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!


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    Time: 05:46:42 AM PST US
    From: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
    Subject: Re: Safety Pins
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com> -- "JIM HEFNER" <hefner_jim@msn.com> wrote: Has anyone ever had a "standard Kolb issue safety pin" fail and come out during flight? Jim and others, I misread your post. I use a safety ring and the kit came with those safety clips. I never wanted to use the clips from the first time I flew because I thought about one of them getting unclipped. I bought the rings from a sailboat store for 50 cents each. Well worth the money. Ralph Original Firestar 18 years flying it Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!


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    Time: 06:44:31 AM PST US
    From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Safety Pins
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net> Kolbers, I use AN castle nuts and safety rings on my Mk-3 at every location for dissassembly that calls for clevis pins. Gives the assurance that the safety pins won't pop open, and you only need to tighten the nuts a tiny bit past finger tight to get the pin holes lined up with the castles slots. Makes the process pretty smooth. Denny Rowe


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    Time: 07:42:26 AM PST US
    From: ghaley@wt.net
    Subject: Re: 912 Radiator Locations
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: ghaley@wt.net Steven, Looking forward to it. Gary H. ps: I placed my radiator below the motor mounts in the rear. Has worked just fine. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kolbdriver" > <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net> > > Where have you 912 owners located the radiator when > installed on a Mark III or any Kolb. I just want some > opinions to sort through before I mount mine. > > Steven G. > > BTW > John H., John W., John B, and Gary, > > I will be able to keep up if I ever have the opportunity > to join ya'll on another trip. > > > the Matronics Forums. > Browse: http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list _-> Browse Digests: http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list > ============= > >


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    Time: 08:20:19 AM PST US
    From: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error)
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com> Duane the plane, all I'm inerested to hear how you lowered the trailing edge of the wing(left) to keep the plane from rolling left.....trim tab??? My Mk2 has the left roll tendency in spades and I have been trying to figure out how to get that out (without adding an unsightly trim tab to an aileron) for some time. The trim tab mounted on the left elevator helps some but not enough. I shoot photography out of my plane and it sure would be nice to be able to fly hands free. The center mounted stick and the shutter release on the right side of the camera(requiring the right hand to operate it) makes it difficult. We've had a little discussion in here recently but I don't remember what the suggestions were to overcome the left roll tendency. Anybody else? Steve Kroll do not archive ---------------------------------


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    Time: 08:50:52 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Correcting Adverse Roll Tendancies
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> We've had a little discussion in here recently but I don't remember what the suggestions were to overcome the left roll tendency. Anybody else? | | Steve Kroll Hi Steve/Gang: A search of the archives will produce a lot of info on roll control. A simple method of correcting adverse roll or trimming for roll is a piece of bungee cord and two small hose clamps. I used this method on my MKIII. Attach the bungee to the control stick with a double wrap loop secured with one hose clamp. Attach the other end to something on the right side of the seat frame so it won't interfere with the passenger's legs. With the double loop slipped all the way to the bottom of the stick, adjust tension to neutral. You are set to go. The more right trim you need the higher you slip the bungee up the stick. When flying with a passenger, probably slip it all the way down. Takes a couple minutes to install or uninstall. john h


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    Time: 09:16:09 AM PST US
    From: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
    Subject: Re: elt
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> how many in the group actually have one installed in their registered plane. My brother gave me a new ameri-king AK450, boyd Boyd - I also have an AK450 in my Mark-III. Most cost-effective ELT for the money. FAA-certified. Uses cheap D alkaline batteries. Dennis Kirby New Mexico do not archive


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    Time: 09:39:44 AM PST US
    From: HShack@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Safety Pins
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:14:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, hefner_jim@msn.com writes: The idea of using the round rings on the lower struts is something I will start doing. The lower strut attach point bolts are much easier to access, so this should not add significant setup time and would be safer than the normal safety pins for all the reasons that have been discussed. I setup my Firefly normally in 8 to 10 minutes (8 when hurrying). Do you remove the lower strut attach pins when you fold? When I used to fold my FS II I never did- just made a PVC pipe device to hold the struts up while folded. That would save a couple minutes. Howard Shackleford FS II SC


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    Time: 10:10:10 AM PST US
    From: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Safety Pins
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com> I have just found a supply house for the circle cotter pins ( the ones with the inner end bent for easy start) but they are sold in 100 lots. I have ordered 100. This of course makes them cheap. They are 3/4"dia. and are zinc plated steel. I will share some of them if you need them for what they cost plus shipping. You can see a picture and description at the link below. Click on line catalogue and then circle cotters. http://www.pivotpins.com/catalog/catidx.html DO NOT ARCHIVE HShack@aol.com wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com In a message dated 2/21/2005 7:14:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, hefner_jim@msn.com writes: The idea of using the round rings on the lower struts is something I will start doing. The lower strut attach point bolts are much easier to access, so this should not add significant setup time and would be safer than the normal safety pins for all the reasons that have been discussed. I setup my Firefly normally in 8 to 10 minutes (8 when hurrying). Do you remove the lower strut attach pins when you fold? When I used to fold my FS II I never did- just made a PVC pipe device to hold the struts up while folded. That would save a couple minutes. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ---------------------------------


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    Time: 11:12:35 AM PST US
    From: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Fluids
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net> In re recent talk about handling Pilot Overflow, or the Incompressibilty of Fluids, ( esp. urine) -- this is of course a problem in many activities. Military planes used to use relief tubes, simple & low-tech. You could also express your opinion of the towns youre flying over! One of my (many) harebrained schemes was to buy a lot of Government-surplus relief tubes & sell them to taxi drivers. Didnt work; they just use a coffee cup, open the door & pour it out. When flying I carried a 1-quart urinal with a funnel-spout and a SS valve. Workt fine but was bulky. The more agile ladies could use it too, but they preferred a Jills John. The swordfish-spotters carried empty cardboard 1-quart milk bottles, would fill them & then look for a plastic-basket cruiser to bomb with them, a usually-harmless diversion . One of the bunch had a plane with EIGHTEEN HOURS RANGE -- can you imagine that? Several times he flew for over 17 hours, nonstop. Talk about earning your money -- I find Snapple bottles to be conveniently-sized & readily available but they only hold 16 oz. Any medical-supply house can sell you a condom with a tube on it, leading to a leg-bag strapped to your calf. Uncomfortable, but it works. You can also use a longer tube & tuck the end into your sock -- just DONT forget to take it out before you let loose! But you could be standing over a drain talking to Miss America, & relieve yourself & shed never even know it. The bottom line in all this is pre-planning. If you dont drink anything, you wont have to urinate. Not much fun though.


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    Time: 11:38:38 AM PST US
    From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error)
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk> Hi Steve/All, All the UK MKIII kits have a larger Rear attach point,(the part that connects to the cage), this allows for infinate adjustment in the angle of attack of the wings. Simply by putting more washers on one side of the other joint or another, this eliminates the need for ugly and draggy trim tabs. Mike Xtra/Jab 2200 G-CDFA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kroll" <muso2080@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com> > > Duane the plane, all > > I'm inerested to hear how you lowered the trailing edge of the wing(left) > to keep the plane from rolling left.....trim tab??? My Mk2 has the left > roll tendency in spades and I have been trying to figure out how to get > that out (without adding an unsightly trim tab to an aileron) for some > time. The trim tab mounted on the left elevator helps some but not > enough. I shoot photography out of my plane and it sure would be nice to > be able to fly hands free. The center mounted stick and the shutter > release on the right side of the camera(requiring the right hand to > operate it) makes it difficult. We've had a little discussion in here > recently but I don't remember what the suggestions were to overcome the > left roll tendency. Anybody else? > > Steve Kroll > > do not archive > > > --------------------------------- > > >


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    Time: 11:41:07 AM PST US
    From: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Fluids
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com> Hospitals furnish bed ridden patients (male) with a large capacity plastic container shaped for use lying down, or sitting up, that has a clip on the side for hanging upright on any small horizontal tube or rail. Has a built on snap lid that makes the contents stay put. I've used them many times and works easily and securely. I'm sure any hospital supply house or large drug store has them. russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net> wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne In re recent talk about handling Pilot Overflow, or the Incompressibilty of Fluids, ( esp. urine) -- this is of course a problem in many activities. Military planes used to use relief tubes, simple & low-tech. You could also express your opinion of the towns youre flying over! One of my (many) harebrained schemes was to buy a lot of Government-surplus relief tubes & sell them to taxi drivers. Didnt work; they just use a coffee cup, open the door & pour it out. When flying I carried a 1-quart urinal with a funnel-spout and a SS valve. Workt fine but was bulky. The more agile ladies could use it too, but they preferred a Jills John. The swordfish-spotters carried empty cardboard 1-quart milk bottles, would fill them & then look for a plastic-basket cruiser to bomb with them, a usually-harmless diversion . One of the bunch had a plane with EIGHTEEN HOURS RANGE -- can you imagine that? Several times he flew for over 17 hours, nonstop. Talk about earning your money -- I find Snapple bottles to be conveniently-sized & readily available but they only hold 16 oz. Any medical-supply house can sell you a condom with a tube on it, leading to a leg-bag strapped to your calf. Uncomfortable, but it works. You can also use a longer tube & tuck the end into your sock -- just DONT forget to take it out before you let loose! But you could be standing over a drain talking to Miss America, & relieve yourself & shed never even know it. The bottom line in all this is pre-planning. If you dont drink anything, you wont have to urinate. Not much fun though. ---------------------------------


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    Time: 12:06:53 PM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Subject: Re: Fluids
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> Was not familiar with a Jill's John, so typed in "female aircraft urinal" in Google and ended up quite amazed at human resourcefulness- Probably not Kolb related, but if your Significant Other is a real free-thinker, or proficient at yoga, then it I suppose it could be... Av web had an interesting and amusing product review of in-flight porta-potties http://www.avweb.com/news/aeromed/181894-1.html Here is a site for the "Pit-Stop On-Board Trucker Urinal System" Turn the sound up - http://www.pitstopinfo.com/ Here's one the ladies can use in the standing position... Might be marginal in a Kolbra, but the MKIII is a no go! http://standandgo.com/ There are probably more out there, but this is enough foolishness for the moment Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive


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    Time: 01:01:00 PM PST US
    From: Michael Sharp <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
    Subject: Re: Fluids
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com> Reallly not kolb related, but i'll add to the foolishness... Do a search for Uncle Boogers Bumper Dumper... http://www.bumperdumper.com/bumper2.htm PLEASE Do Not Archive Mike --- Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > <richard@bcchapel.org> > > Was not familiar with a Jill's John, so typed in > "female aircraft urinal" > in Google and ended up quite amazed at human > resourcefulness- > Probably not Kolb related, but if your Significant > Other is a real > free-thinker, or proficient at yoga, then it I > suppose it could be... > > Av web had an interesting and amusing product review > of in-flight porta-potties > http://www.avweb.com/news/aeromed/181894-1.html > > Here is a site for the "Pit-Stop On-Board Trucker > Urinal System" > Turn the sound up - > http://www.pitstopinfo.com/ > > Here's one the ladies can use in the standing > position... Might be marginal > in a Kolbra, but the MKIII is a no go! > http://standandgo.com/ > > There are probably more out there, but this is > enough foolishness for the > moment > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > do not archive > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:25:16 PM PST US
    From: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
    Subject: Re: Fluids
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net> Am I the only one who saw the crashed two place Kolb in Florida last week?. It was on the TV news and defiantly shown a two place Kolb. It said that the two people in the plane were not killed. Good Thing. I have seen no one from Florida who knows any thing about this accident. Speak up, We Kolb drivers need to know how to avoid this kind of trouble. Az. Bald Eagle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fluids > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> > > Was not familiar with a Jill's John, so typed in "female aircraft urinal" > in Google and ended up quite amazed at human resourcefulness- > Probably not Kolb related, but if your Significant Other is a real > free-thinker, or proficient at yoga, then it I suppose it could be... > > Av web had an interesting and amusing product review of in-flight > porta-potties > http://www.avweb.com/news/aeromed/181894-1.html > > Here is a site for the "Pit-Stop On-Board Trucker Urinal System" > Turn the sound up - > http://www.pitstopinfo.com/ > > Here's one the ladies can use in the standing position... Might be > marginal > in a Kolbra, but the MKIII is a no go! > http://standandgo.com/ > > There are probably more out there, but this is enough foolishness for the > moment > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > do not archive > > >


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    Time: 05:26:55 PM PST US
    From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error)
    Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:26:34 -0500 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com> Hi Steve et al, The New Kolb sold me a special fitting that replaces the one that's bolted to the airframe at the trailing edge attach point. It was made for this purpose. The "jaw" of the a stock fitting is ~ 1" across to match the the universal link. The special fitting measures ~ 1 3/8" across and allows lowering the trailing edge using a longer bolt and spacer-washers. Cost $45. Duane the plane Mitchell, Mk3/912, IVO ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Kroll<mailto:muso2080@yahoo.com> To: kolb-list@matronics.com<mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) --> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com<mailto:muso2080@yahoo.com>> Duane the plane, all I'm inerested to hear how you lowered the trailing edge of the wing(left) to keep the plane from rolling left.....trim tab??? My Mk2 has the left roll tendency in spades and I have been trying to figure out how to get that out (without adding an unsightly trim tab to an aileron) for some time. The trim tab mounted on the left elevator helps some but not enough. I shoot photography out of my plane and it sure would be nice to be able to fly hands free. The center mounted stick and the shutter release on the right side of the camera(requiring the right hand to operate it) makes it difficult. We've had a little discussion in here recently but I don't remember what the suggestions were to overcome the left roll tendency. Anybody else? Steve Kroll do not archive ---------------------------------


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    Time: 05:55:23 PM PST US
    From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Safety Pins
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com I fold the wings on my FireStar and use the S/S circle type safety (pins?). Bought them at a sail boat shop years ago. Lost one that I dropped in deep grass. Also, at a fly-in, I was in the process of tying down when an enthusiast came along and tried to help. He tied the rope to the safety ring at the top of the strut. Naturally it failed when he pulled the rope taut and opened the ring straight out. Now I carry a few spares in my tool kit. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive


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    Time: 06:48:05 PM PST US
    From: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Fluids
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com> Brother Thompson... Re: your Kolb-list note on fluids... Have seen absolutely zero-zilch-nada in the Tampa press about a Kolb accident last week, this week , or whenever... Of some UL interest, however, two hapless individuals successfully conducted a fatal soil-sample drill in a trike somewhere just north of here last week....(NFI). Also, two geezers, one an "ultralight instructor", the other his erstwhile student, executed a virtually flawless stall-spin entry demo in one of the mighty Skyboy machines in the middle of the Zephyrhills FL airport last week... Numerous witnesses all agreed that it was a textbook performance and the cards held up by the appreciative crowd ranged from a near perfect 9.9 to a low of only 9.7, the high scores reflecting the spirited wing-over-wing cartwheels with which the routine reportedly climaxed.... The stalwarts have four broken legs, two sets of over-grossed Depends, one set of missing "uppers" and tons of breathtaking memories between them, but fortunately neither met the Big Ranger this trip....(Of note, the authorities said the trusty Rotax was still bellowing its little heart out when they reached the wreckage some minutes later ...had to find the switch and shut it down before geezer extraction from the largest single remaining Skyboy artifact could be accomplished...) There was no word yet as to whether a replacement Skyboy had been ordered from bedside at the Tampa hospital... And that's the news from West Central Florida.... Trust 'ol Beauford, Borther Thompson... I ain't a'holdin out on ye.... If I hear anything about a Florida Kolb wreck hereabouts, I will promptly pass along the morbid details to the Listers... If I happen to be the principal in the event, I trust that one of my tasteless Florida buddies will step up and report on my behalf.... Best Regards, Beauford, The Aluminum Butcher of Brandon, FL FF #076 Do Not Archive P.S. What did your note have to do with "Fluids"....? just wonderin'.... b. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fluids > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" > <eagle1@commspeed.net> > > Am I the only one who saw the crashed two place Kolb in Florida last > week?. > It was on the TV news and defiantly shown a two place Kolb. It said that > the > two people in the plane were not killed. Good Thing. > I have seen no one from Florida who knows any thing about this > accident. Speak up, We Kolb drivers need to know how to avoid this kind of > trouble. > Az. Bald Eagle > >


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    Time: 07:30:23 PM PST US
    From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net>
    Subject: Fluids
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander@att.net> Az. Bald Eagle, et al: After seeing your message and one other concerning a TV report, I checked most every Florida major city newspaper and TV web sites for a couple of days. Nothing reported in any of them that I was able to find. Even checked directly with some UL/LSAers in a couple of places around the state. Nothing reported. Also have checked periodically the web sites that report accidents/incidents. Nothing. Standing by.... George Alexander One of Beauford's Tasteless Florida Buddies DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Beauford Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fluids --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com> Brother Thompson... Re: your Kolb-list note on fluids... Have seen absolutely zero-zilch-nada in the Tampa press about a Kolb accident last week, this week , or whenever... Of some UL interest, however, two hapless individuals successfully conducted a fatal soil-sample drill in a trike somewhere just north of here last week....(NFI). Also, two geezers, one an "ultralight instructor", the other his erstwhile student, executed a virtually flawless stall-spin entry demo in one of the mighty Skyboy machines in the middle of the Zephyrhills FL airport last week... Numerous witnesses all agreed that it was a textbook performance and the cards held up by the appreciative crowd ranged from a near perfect 9.9 to a low of only 9.7, the high scores reflecting the spirited wing-over-wing cartwheels with which the routine reportedly climaxed.... The stalwarts have four broken legs, two sets of over-grossed Depends, one set of missing "uppers" and tons of breathtaking memories between them, but fortunately neither met the Big Ranger this trip....(Of note, the authorities said the trusty Rotax was still bellowing its little heart out when they reached the wreckage some minutes later ...had to find the switch and shut it down before geezer extraction from the largest single remaining Skyboy artifact could be accomplished...) There was no word yet as to whether a replacement Skyboy had been ordered from bedside at the Tampa hospital... And that's the news from West Central Florida.... Trust 'ol Beauford, Borther Thompson... I ain't a'holdin out on ye.... If I hear anything about a Florida Kolb wreck hereabouts, I will promptly pass along the morbid details to the Listers... If I happen to be the principal in the event, I trust that one of my tasteless Florida buddies will step up and report on my behalf.... Best Regards, Beauford, The Aluminum Butcher of Brandon, FL FF #076 Do Not Archive P.S. What did your note have to do with "Fluids"....? just wonderin'.... b. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fluids > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" > <eagle1@commspeed.net> > > Am I the only one who saw the crashed two place Kolb in Florida last > week?. > It was on the TV news and defiantly shown a two place Kolb. It said that > the > two people in the plane were not killed. Good Thing. > I have seen no one from Florida who knows any thing about this > accident. Speak up, We Kolb drivers need to know how to avoid this kind of > trouble. > Az. Bald Eagle > >


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    Time: 07:31:56 PM PST US
    From: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Fluids
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com> At 07:24 PM 2/21/2005, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George E. Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net> > >Am I the only one who saw the crashed two place Kolb in Florida last week?. >It was on the TV news and defiantly shown a two place Kolb. It said that the >two people in the plane were not killed. Good Thing. > I have seen no one from Florida who knows any thing about this >accident. Speak up, We Kolb drivers need to know how to avoid this kind of >trouble. > Az. Bald Eagle I saw somebody's Kolb went in the water in S Fla. on the 13th. # N803?? - No floats CBS channel 46 News - Atlanta TV Not mine this time.




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