---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/28/05: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:03 AM - Re: Big Lar (Larry Bourne) 2. 04:07 AM - Re: Pictures of my new Nose Skid Hoop (John Jung) 3. 04:30 AM - Cog belt drive (Edward Steuber) 4. 04:41 AM - Re: No CG problem here (PATRICK LADD) 5. 05:23 AM - Re: No CG problem here (bryan green) 6. 05:29 AM - Antenna (bryan green) 7. 05:36 AM - Re: Cog belt drive (Dale Sellers) 8. 06:53 AM - Re: No CG problem here (PATRICK LADD) 9. 07:11 AM - Re: No CG problem here (bryan green) 10. 07:19 AM - Re: US Pix (PATRICK LADD) 11. 07:39 AM - safety rings (Steve Kroll) 12. 08:13 AM - Re: safety rings (robert bean) 13. 08:20 AM - Re: safety rings (N27SB@aol.com) 14. 08:26 AM - Re: safety rings (bryan green) 15. 08:46 AM - Re: full swivel tailwheels was ground loop (Rusty) 16. 10:00 AM - Re: full swivel tailwheels with ground loop (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 17. 12:17 PM - Re: No CG problem here (PATRICK LADD) 18. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Q (CB antenna for aircraft use) (Kirk Smith) 19. 12:52 PM - Re: No CG problem here (robert bean) 20. 01:03 PM - not really Kolb..but T.S. (robert bean) 21. 01:34 PM - Sport Pilot Confusion (skyrider2) 22. 01:46 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Confusion (John Williamson) 23. 01:49 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Confusion (Rusty) 24. 03:40 PM - Re: No CG problem here (bryan green) 25. 09:13 PM - Floats (Rick Pearce) 26. 11:28 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Confusion, Pickin' on Lar. (Larry Bourne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:01 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Big Lar --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I'm intermittently on line, so will take advantage to break my un-accustomed silence. Never thought that *I* would be referred to as "Silent" anything. :-) It took some really nasty Un-Silent screaming to get that useless Time Warner off their duffs to get even partial operation again. They missed their appointment today, too, but they're sure not shy about jerking me around on the billing. Nearly 2,000 messages downloaded after they got me online after 2 1/2 weeks off. What a pain. As always, a visit from Tom & Betty was highly enjoyable, an excuse to try some new restaurants, and show off this currently pleasant - and amazingly green - desert. Don't try this in the summer. The visit kinda got me going again, too, and I'll try to maintain the momentum. Finished up my builder's manual yesterday, will download the FAA forms, and will begin patching the wing tomorrow. Thanks for the boost, Tom. It WAS good to see them, and I'll return the favor next summer, but in the meantime, it was sad to see Tom still having a lot of trouble with his hind hoofs. I forget how many pins he said were in his feet (12 ??) but he's still got some healing to do. Betty had a nasty break on her left ankle, and other injuries, that fortunately seem to be healing well. They showed me their photo album of the crash, and it was sobering. They are 2 extremely lucky people, believe me. Seems incredible that it's already been a year since their crash. Good luck, guys, and thanks for the visit. Talkative Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Kuffels" Subject: Kolb-List: Big Lar > --> Kolb-List message posted by: The Kuffels > > Just finished a nice visit with Silent Lar yesterday (thanks for > the fun hosting). He is having trouble with his internet > connection which is why (among other reasons, such as shear > modesty) he hasn't been visiting much. When we left he hoped to > be back online by Monday bu isn't holding his breath. When he > does, he'll have a fun time getting caught up. > > Tom Kuffel > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:40 AM PST US From: John Jung Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pictures of my new Nose Skid Hoop --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung Mike, I hate to see people create their own problems trying to fix something that ain't broke. After looking at your nose skid picture, I think you may be creating a problem. Have you lifted the tail to the flying position (9 degree) and measured the ground clearance? John Jung __________________________________ http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:52 AM PST US From: "Edward Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: Cog belt drive --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" Dale, ZDE in Indiana has Cog belt drives for the UL 202 but in 2.5 to 1 ratio.....I use either a 3 blade ground adjustable IVO or Warp....A 2 blade seems to make a resonance that you can't get rid of and seems to cavitate due to the higher pitch recquired for the 50 inch diameter on the Ultrastar....took a long time and $$$$ to figure out but now I have a hot rod....too fast ! Check Photo Share and I have a picture posted of the set-up or I can send you one... Ed in Western NY ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:07 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: No CG problem here --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" >>If that falls within the range specified by the kit manufacturer surely thats it. That is not so true. As the manufacturer of my airplane, I use the guidelines given to be by the kit manufacturer and either confirm that their numbers are correct or determine my own numbers>> Hi John, very nice holiday thanks, although the weather could have been better. I think this is the basic difference between our two systems. Your `Experimental` would appear to mean just that. No holds barred. In the UK no plane type or kit type can be marketed unless it has been cleared for safety, structurally and for flying characteristics, by the CAA (through the powers held by the Popular Flying Association or the British Microlight Aircraft assoc). Also in the case of ultralights, it must conform to the legal specification of AUW, stall speed and wing loading. The kit will be inspected during construction by a Licensed Inspector as often as he thinks fit. This will depend on how far he trusts you to do the work properly. He is employed, but working unpaid, by the PFA or the BMAA. The Inspector will `sign off` the various stages of construction as laid down in the `build book` You will not be allowed to depart from the kit manufacturers plans in any major respect and thus your a/c will (and must) conform to the C of G limits laid down by the manufacturer. After construction either you or the Inspector will complete a flight test and the numbers must agree with the CAA numbers. The original test a/c will have also been tested for noise level, an actual flight test, using a particular engine. It will be assumed that your a/c, with the same engine, will be OK. If you change the engine then a noise certificate for the new combination must be issued. This is the situation at the moment with my Extra. It is cleared for use with the 582 only. I am building away hopefully in the belief that Kiwimick, the UK and European Dealer, will have built, tested and obtained approval for using the Jabiru by the time I have finished construction. This system has kept a number of very desirable designs off the UK market as putting a new design through the system is very expensive and time consuming. On the other hand it has stopped the importation of some very dodgy designs which although they looked nice were pretty lethal in the hands of the low time pilot. There is no doubt that our system has stultified new developments, and there is some talk of introducing an `Experimental` category over here, but I can think of only two types which have been grounded since the introduction of the `Flying Flea` in the 1930`s. The `Flea` itself was dangerous because it could get into a `deep stall` and wouldn`t pull out.The CAA Certificate was withdrawn after several accidents. All Thrusters were grounded a few years ago because they all had so many `bits` added, radios,spats,selfstarters,batteries etc they were all over weight and no longer ultralights, and the Shadow, which has had an unblemished safety record over many years was suddenly perceived to be dangerous because the collapse of the undercarriage could cause rupture of the fuel tank with the attendant fire risk. I think someone had watched a film of the Concorde accident. The uindercarriage has now been redesigned and Shadows are flying again. I envy the latitude which you enjoy but I am comforted to know that when I get into my Xtra someone somewhere has given it a good wringing out and the wings are unlikely to fall off. Incidentally the wings and tail feathers of the Xtra are complete, cage fitted out, fuse tube mated to the cage and she is up on her own wheels. Unfortunately it seems unlikely that I shall be unable to fit spats because of the weight. Swings and roundabouts. Cheers Pat do not archive -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:23 AM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: No CG problem here --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green PATRICK LADD wrote: > >Hi John, >very nice holiday thanks, although the weather could have been better. > > >Hi Pat glad your trip went well. > > >I think this is the basic difference between our two systems. Your >`Experimental` would appear to mean just that. No holds barred. In the UK no >plane type or kit type can be marketed unless it has been cleared for >safety, structurally and for flying characteristics, by the CAA (through the >powers held by the Popular Flying Association or the British Microlight >Aircraft assoc). Also in the case of ultralights, it must conform to the >legal specification of AUW, stall speed and wing loading. > > > What happens if you want to design and build your own plane? >Unfortunately it seems unlikely that I shall be unable to fit spats because >of the weight. >Swings and roundabouts. > > Could you explain this for a poor southern yank? Bryan Green Do not archive >Cheers > >Pat > >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:55 AM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Kolb-List: Antenna --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green Here is a good link for building a antenna. http://www.challengers101.com/AntennaBuild.html Bryan Green Do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:33 AM PST US From: "Dale Sellers" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cog belt drive --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" Ed, I talked to Zerkle and he said he was considering having some redrives made for sale but doesn't have any now. He got all the stock that 2si had and has already slod them all. I'd like a pic of your setup. Thanks. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: Cog belt drive > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" > > > Dale, > ZDE in Indiana has Cog belt drives for the UL 202 but in 2.5 to 1 > ratio.....I use either a 3 blade ground adjustable IVO or Warp....A 2 > blade seems to make a resonance that you can't get rid of and seems to > cavitate due to the higher pitch recquired for the 50 inch diameter on the > Ultrastar....took a long time and $$$$ to figure out but now I have a hot > rod....too fast ! Check Photo Share and I have a picture posted of the > set-up or I can send you one... > > Ed in Western NY > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:23 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: No CG problem here --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" What happens if you want to design and build your own plane? >Unfortunately it seems unlikely that I shall be unable to fit spats because >of the weight. >Swings and roundabouts. > > Could you explain this for a poor southern yank? Hi Bryan, Nothing to stop you doing your own thing. If it is an ultralight the max weight is 450 kilos. the weight calculation must include 2 crew at 90 kilos each and enough fuel for an hours flight at full throttle. To achieve the required stalling speed the Xtra cannot be anything like the 450kg max.. Kiwi is in trouble here at the moment because to achieve the required stalling speed, the wing must be made more efficient or the empty weight must come down. We are trying to achieve the first by adding Vortex Generators which we hope will give a stalling speed down by 5 mph and trimming the weight wherever we can. Hence. No spats.Unfortunately VG`s on an Xtra are not an `approved modification` so that has to be addressed first. Generally once the `type approval` is granted the system works fairly well and if you want to incorporate a mod. a word with the engineering dept. of the PFA is sufficient. The main problem is that the engineering deptartments of both the PFA and the BMAA are busy and mods, certificate renewals etc take much longer than they should. Some department chiefs delegate and allow others in the dept. to sign things off, some do not. Designing and building a non ultralight a/c is a matter of getting the engineering quality and design passed by the PFA engineering dept. I am not an authority but I think that is the way it works.In the end you cannot fly an aircraft with an engine in it without a Certificate of Airworthiness and that is issued by the PFA through delegated powers from the CAA so naturally no one is going to take the responsibilty for issuing a C of A unless they are confident that the wings will stay on. Cheers Pat do not archive -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:01 AM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: No CG problem here --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green Thanks Pat one more question, what are spats? Bryan Green Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:29 AM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: US Pix --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" I just downloaded the 1930 Howard Hughes film Hells Angels>> Hi, I remember seeing that film at the camp cinema (hah!) when I was posted to the wilds of Yorkshire in 1947. I believe it was the only film Ben Lyons made as he was always making allusions to it when his radio (and later TV) show Life with the Lyons in which he starred with Bebe Daniels to great acclaim in the 50`s. Wasn`t there a story that the buyer of the planes for that film got such a good deal, one free for every ten he bought or similar, that he acquired nearly every spare plane on the market? Cheers Pat -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:19 AM PST US From: Steve Kroll Subject: Kolb-List: safety rings --> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll List, Somebody recently talked about having bought 100 circular cotters to replace the original safety pins that came with the kits. Who was that and, do you have any left? I'm having a heck of a time trying to locate anything like these locally. Steve Mk-2 503 do not archive --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:55 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: safety rings --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Steve, try going to a boat dealer who sells sailboats (the ONLY kind of boat) or google sailboat accessories. -BB do not archive On 28, Feb 2005, at 10:38 AM, Steve Kroll wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll > > List, > > Somebody recently talked about having bought 100 circular cotters to > replace the original safety pins that came with the kits. Who was > that and, do you have any left? I'm having a heck of a time trying > to locate anything like these locally. > > Steve Mk-2 503 > do not archive > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:55 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: safety rings --> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com To /All I have not seen them but LEAF or Leading Edge Airfoils has a part # F5140 on page 42 of their catalog that looks like a round pin. www.store.leadingedgeairfoils.com Steve Boetto WetFly #007 do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:16 AM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: safety rings --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green That was Ray Anderson I don't know if he has any more you can try hi at the following address. rsanoa@yahoo.com Bryan Green Elgin SC Do not archive > > > >> >>Somebody recently talked about having bought 100 circular cotters to >>replace the original safety pins that came with the kits. Who was >>that and, do you have any left? I'm having a heck of a time trying >>to locate anything like these locally. >> >>Steve Mk-2 503 >>do not archive >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:13 AM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: full swivel tailwheels was ground loop --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> I've had enough humility building with that stupid wheel. Too many times at public airports if I put too much rudder input on the ground, I'd just turn & helplessly turn in circles, mostly this happened as I would line up for take-off in a stiff cross wind. Before she flies again I aim to fix that full swivel break away. I haven't taken it apart yet, if you or others have the fix already, how about saving us some embarrassment? ---------------------- (RD) Hey, no extra charge for the overswivel wheel Richard :-) I don't believe you can modify the wheel assembly to break out at a different angle, but there might be a difference between manufacturers. Kolb didn't sell the full swivel wheel when I installed the one on your SS. That wheel came from Spruce, and was bored out to fit the spring. The wheel on the current SS came with the kit I believe, but it appears to be the exact same wheel that you have. The wheel that comes from Van's is different, which might explain why I've never had a problem setting up an RV tailwheel. I made a note to check the breakout angle to see it it's different from the one on the SS. If not, then it must just be a geometry issue. Perhaps the Van's wheel has a longer control arm, so the wheel just doesn't turn as far when you turn the rudder. I'll check and let you know. Cheers, Rusty (remind me if I forget) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:04 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: full swivel tailwheels with ground loop --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" I have the optional full swivel tail wheel that New Kolb sells now. I had to do some trial and error to get mine right. When I 1st installed it the wheel wouldn't swing enough to break to full swivel. I then lengthen the chains between the rudder and the tail wheel bell crank enough that the wheel would break loose at full rudder stop with just some one wheel braking. This worked ok till I ran into some high cross winds a few times. I found the springs that came with the kit would stretch enough so that wheel would swivel and break loose even with full opposite rudder. I had to ride one wheel brake with full opposite rudder to taxi straight. Later I drilled the tail wheel bell crank with extra holes so that I could adjust the ratio between the rudder bell crank and the tail wheel bell crank. Then I changed to compression springs and adjusted the chains taunt. It is now adjusted so that the tail wheel will not break loose till I'm right at the limit of right or left rudder. With the chains taunt I get very precise directional control and when the wind blows I can push in some opposite rudder and the tail wheel will never break to swivel. Granted the wind may push a skidding tail wheel around a bit but you will not be doing those 360 plus degree turns. Oh one more thing that tail wheel bell crank is made from some real hard steel you may need to buy a special drill bit to drill through that nasty stuff. My $.02 worth Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: full swivel tailwheels was ground loop > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> > > I've had enough humility building with that stupid wheel. Too many > times at public airports if I put too much rudder input on the ground, I'd > just turn & helplessly turn in circles, mostly this happened as I would > line > up for take-off in a stiff cross wind. Before she flies again I aim to > fix > that full swivel break away. I haven't taken it apart yet, if you or > others > have the fix already, how about saving us some embarrassment? > ---------------------- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:28 PM PST US From: "PATRICK LADD" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: No CG problem here --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" Hi Bryan, <<, what are spats?>> I had no idea that anyone called them anything else, but then I am incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to use out of date words and phrases long after everyone else has moved on. They are the streamlined mud collectors that you fit over your planes wheels. One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had a non retractable but fully enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was described as `trousered`. I wondered after I replied to your query if it was the phrase `swings and roundabouts` which required explanation, considering that you don`t have `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have guessed wrongly Cheers Pat do not archive -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:43 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Q (CB antenna for aircraft use) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" . It turns out, if this type > of antenna is resonant (fancy way of saying works well) at > frequency "f" then it also works at "three f" and "five f" and > "seven f" and so on. Now five times the CB frequency of 27MHz is > 135MHz which is in the aircraft communication band. In other > words, it is not surprising if a CB antenna works well with an > aircraft comm radio. Close counts in horseshoes....... Do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:07 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: No CG problem here --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean I guess you would have to remember the "maggie & jigs" cartoon strip to know what spats were. Maybe even Major Hoople? A necessary accoutrement for the fashionable male. Called wheel pants here. They look classy but you're better off streamlining the gear legs. Would the legs of the DeHavilland DH89A Dragon Rapide qualify as "trousers"? (a fabulous looker, that) I thought you referred to traffic circles as roundabouts. Boston still has plenty of them. -BB do not archive On 28, Feb 2005, at 3:16 PM, PATRICK LADD wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" > > > Hi Bryan, > <<, what are spats?>> > > I had no idea that anyone called them anything else, but then I am > incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to use out of date words > and > phrases long after everyone else has moved on. They are the > streamlined mud > collectors that you fit over your planes wheels. > > One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had a non retractable but > fully > enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was described as `trousered`. > > I wondered after I replied to your query if it was the phrase `swings > and > roundabouts` which required explanation, considering that you don`t > have > `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have guessed wrongly > > Cheers > > Pat > > do not archive > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Vir > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:52 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: not really Kolb..but T.S. --> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean Something about this plane generates an emotional response... http://www.oldprops.f9.co.uk/Dragon%20Rapide%20Photographs.htm do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:22 PM PST US From: "skyrider2" Subject: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot Confusion --> Kolb-List message posted by: "skyrider2" Hello to all on a miserable and rainy NE Georgia day. I was looking through some old e-mail files and ran across this one from last September from the EAA's Sport Pilot division: 09/02/04 - NEW SPORT PILOT FLIES AGAIN IN TEXAS Roger Peterson at the stick of his PA-11 replica, N555CR On a windless, beautiful day, Wednesday, September 1, Roger Peterson of Sweeney, Texas, did something he hadn't done in 17 years: he flew as pilot in command of his Piper J-3 Cub, thanks to the sport pilot/light-sport aircraft (SP/LSA) rule going into effect that day. "About two years ago when it looked like sport pilot was coming in, I went and bought a 1940 J-3," he said. "And so I've been flying with an instructor the past couple of years. Last April it looked like it (the final rule) was imminent so I started building a PA-11 replica. I completed it this past April so now I am legal in both of them. "I really appreciate the effort you guys (EAA) put in to bring this thing off." Peterson, 66, grew up on a farm in Iowa and started flying in 1954 when a neighbor down the road offered flight time in his Cessna 120 in exchange for shoveling manure in his barn. "I took my credit out in flying time," he said. In the early 1960s, Peterson got his private ticket and bought a J-3 and later transitioned to a C-172, which he flew for many years. In the 1980s he sold the Cessna and bought an Aeronca Champ, which he flew until 1987. That year he quit flying after undergoing bypass surgery. He never went for his special issuance medical, although his doctor, also a pilot, said he would not have a problem getting one. Peterson's wife, Alverna, started flying in 1965, "but since she always flew with me she never got her ticket," Roger explained, and hadn't flown since he quit. Now Alverna is in the process getting her private ticket, possibly in the next several weeks. "We were going to use that as a backup if the sport pilot didn't come through," he said. His son, Craig, who helped build the PA-11 replica, is also in the process of getting his ticket as well. "We're all having a lot of fun flying." Just last year, Peterson installed a grass strip on his land, 08XS, Peterson Field. "Of course, if sport pilot hadn't come through, I'd have a couple of airplanes for sale and a strip put back to pasture." He said he felt nothing different in his first takeoff as PIC. "I've been flying with the instructor, so the flying part was just another time off in the J-3," Peterson said. "It seems we've been waiting for so long, there was just a feeling of finally. "Man, I'm just glad you guys went through all the effort." Now, it doesn't come right out and say it, but I have to "assume" (I know the dangers there) that he lost his medical due to the bypass surgery since it says that "He never went for his special issuance Medical,......" Referring to the recent discussions on the list, I thought that he'd have to pass a current physical? Where am I going wrong on this? Thanks in advance for your comments, Doug Lawton NE Georgia & Whitwell TN Matthews Field & Gliderport PS If I were to order a new Mark III Extra kit today, and worked on it just weekends, what are the chances that I'd have it in the air before Vamoose? ; ) "Pickin' on ol' Lar while he's offline with 'puter problems........ Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:00 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot Confusion --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Well Doug, Since the article says "he quit flying after undergoing bypass surgery. He never went for his special issuance medical," we have to assume that he let his FAA medical expire. He would only have to get a "special issuance medical" if he applied for another Class 3 medical or higher. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 713 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:31 PM PST US From: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot Confusion --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Now, it doesn't come right out and say it, but I have to "assume" (I know the dangers there) that he lost his medical due to the bypass surgery since it says that "He never went for his special issuance Medical,......" ----------------------- (RD) I think the rule says unless your medical has been revoked, or denied. When you have some sort of medical condition like this, you know you can't legally fly unless you report this all to the FAA and jump through the appropriate hoops. Technically, his medical was invalidated by the condition, but never revoked or denied. In this case, he seems to have every reason to believe that he could get his medical back, but chose not to. PS If I were to order a new Mark III Extra kit today, and worked on it just weekends, what are the chances that I'd have it in the air before Vamoose? Do Not Archive --------------------- (RD) This is a trick question right :-) Rusty ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:57 PM PST US From: bryan green Subject: Re: Kolb-List: No CG problem here --> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green Thank you for clearing that up for me Pat I would have gotten to the roundabout later. LOL Bryan Green Do not archive PATRICK LADD wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" > >Hi Bryan, ><<, what are spats?>> > >I had no idea that anyone called them anything else, but then I am >incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to use out of date words and >phrases long after everyone else has moved on. They are the streamlined mud >collectors that you fit over your planes wheels. > >One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had a non retractable but fully >enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was described as `trousered`. > >I wondered after I replied to your query if it was the phrase `swings and >roundabouts` which required explanation, considering that you don`t have >`roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have guessed wrongly > >Cheers > >Pat > >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:52 PM PST US From: "Rick Pearce" Subject: Kolb-List: Floats --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick Pearce" I just received the prototype amphibious floats today that Kolb had on their factory plane at Osk this last summer. I also received my new 912S. It was snowing pretty hard and was cold so I didn't uncrate they. I'm about ready to put on the long handles and the polar suit and go out to the hanger and uncrate the floats. Worst than a kid at Christmas. Had a nice talk with Steve Boetto Sat.(Float designer) Since the floats and plane together have never been on water I will have a little testing to do. Really looking foward to this summer looks like it will be a busy one. Looks like I'm going to have to get my sea plane rating this summer. Does any one know of some one around the Kansas,Oklahoma or Missouri area that they would recommend. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:42 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot Confusion, Pickin' on Lar. --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Ay yi yi...........Vamoose is in low gear and crawling slowly uphill - - - - but still moving. We'll get there. Better hurry. :-) Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "skyrider2" Subject: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot Confusion > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "skyrider2" > > Hello to all on a miserable and rainy NE Georgia day. I was looking > through some old e-mail files and ran across this one from last September > from the EAA's Sport Pilot division:> Matthews Field & Gliderport > > PS If I were to order a new Mark III Extra kit today, and worked on it > just weekends, what are the chances that I'd have it in the air before > Vamoose? ; > ) > > "Pickin' on ol' Lar while he's offline with 'puter problems........ > > Do Not Archive > > >