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1. 02:00 AM - Spats... (Pollus)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: Spats... (Dale Sellers)
3. 04:38 AM - Re: Spats... (PATRICK LADD)
4. 04:58 AM - Re: Kolb-List Spats... (WillUribe@aol.com)
5. 04:59 AM - Belt drives (Edward Steuber)
6. 05:06 AM - Re: Spats... (Creech, Lee (Local Govt))
7. 06:46 AM - Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) (GeoR38@aol.com)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: Spats... (russ kinne)
9. 07:50 AM - Re: Spats... (J.D. Stewart)
10. 07:55 AM - Re: Spats... (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
11. 08:02 AM - Re: Spats... (PATRICK LADD)
12. 08:08 AM - Re: Belt drives (Dale Sellers)
13. 08:09 AM - Re: Spats... (Dale Sellers)
14. 11:01 AM - Re: not really Kolb..but T.S. (PATRICK LADD)
15. 11:19 AM - Re: Spats... (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
16. 11:32 AM - Re: Spats... (PATRICK LADD)
17. 11:41 AM - Re: No CG problem here (PATRICK LADD)
18. 01:38 PM - Re: Spats... (woody)
19. 02:20 PM - Cracked windscreens (John Williamson)
20. 02:52 PM - Re: Spats... (Michael Sharp)
21. 03:12 PM - Re: Spats... (Richard Pike)
22. 03:26 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (John Hauck)
23. 03:39 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (Richard Swiderwski)
24. 04:02 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (Kirk Smith)
25. 04:33 PM - Re: Spats... (woody)
26. 04:40 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (woody)
27. 04:42 PM - Re: Spats... (Kirk Smith)
28. 04:50 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (John Hauck)
29. 04:51 PM - Re: Antenna (Steve Kroll)
30. 05:06 PM - Re: Antenna (bryan green)
31. 05:08 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (Charlie England)
32. 05:09 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (Jack & Louise Hart)
33. 05:12 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (robert bean)
34. 05:20 PM - Ruined lexan and gaffer tape (kfackler)
35. 05:42 PM - Re: Ruined lexan and gaffer tape (John Hauck)
36. 05:43 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (Bob N.)
37. 05:52 PM - Re: Spats... (Larry Bourne)
38. 05:55 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (robert bean)
39. 05:57 PM - Re: Spats... (Bob N.)
40. 05:57 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (Larry Bourne)
41. 06:00 PM - Re: Spats... (Larry Bourne)
42. 06:01 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (Bob N.)
43. 06:13 PM - Re: Ruined lexan and gaffer tape (Larry Bourne)
44. 07:30 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (ul15rhb@juno.com)
45. 08:11 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (Richard Pike)
46. 08:19 PM - Re: Cracked windscreens (Herb Gayheart)
47. 08:25 PM - Gaffer's Tape (John Hauck)
48. 11:51 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
I was just wondering: those "Spats" absolutely look racey, but do they
really benefit the flight characteristics at our moderate airspeeds? I
mean in terms of detectable schange of crusespeed or fuel consumption?
Op 28-feb-05 om 21:16 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> Hi Bryan,
> <<, what are spats?>>
>
> I had no idea that anyone called them anything else, but then I am
> incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to use out of date words
> and
> phrases long after everyone else has moved on. They are the
> streamlined mud
> collectors that you fit over your planes wheels.
>
> One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had a non retractable but
> fully
> enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was described as `trousered`.
>
> I wondered after I replied to your query if it was the phrase `swings
> and
> roundabouts` which required explanation, considering that you don`t
> have
> `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have guessed wrongly
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
> do not archive
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
I was under the impression that spats on an airplane are those things used
on aerobatic planes that are attached to the outer ends on the ailerons and
hang down. I'm not sure of their function but I'm pretty sure that's what
they're called.
Maybe I'm wrong, happens all the time.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Subject: Kolb-List: Spats...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
>
> I was just wondering: those "Spats" absolutely look racey, but do they
> really benefit the flight characteristics at our moderate airspeeds? I
> mean in terms of detectable schange of crusespeed or fuel consumption?
>
> Op 28-feb-05 om 21:16 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
>> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>
>> Hi Bryan,
>> <<, what are spats?>>
>>
>> I had no idea that anyone called them anything else, but then I am
>> incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to use out of date words
>> and
>> phrases long after everyone else has moved on. They are the
>> streamlined mud
>> collectors that you fit over your planes wheels.
>>
>> One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had a non retractable but
>> fully
>> enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was described as `trousered`.
>>
>> I wondered after I replied to your query if it was the phrase `swings
>> and
>> roundabouts` which required explanation, considering that you don`t
>> have
>> `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have guessed wrongly
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>
>> do not archive
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
I was just wondering: those "Spats" absolutely look racey, but do they
really benefit the flight characteristics at our moderate airspeeds? >>
Good point Pollus. I really don`t know but I suspect that they do improve
things marginally. They are a damned nuisance in long grass and they fill
with mud when the ground is soft.
But as you say, they sure look nice.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Spats... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Spats are wheel covers
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Dale,
Just sent the pics of the cog belt drive on my modified Ultrastar to your
e-mail .....I do have a CGS belt drive that came off the CGS Hawk I am rebuilding.
I got the whole set-up with a 3 blade precision prop that was undamaged
when the engine quit and the pilot made a mess of the left wing and cage....It
is a 6 V-belt system that came off the UL 202 . I was going to put it on
E-bay but will take $150 plus shipping...The total time on the aircraft was about
50 hours since built in the 80's and I do know the seller who was a friend
of the owner so I am reasonably sure it is correct ......(sounds similar to
what the saleman said who sold me my last used car)...
Honest ED in Western NY
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Creech, Lee (Local Govt)" <Lee.Creech@ky.gov>
Methinks those are "spades" . . . They aerodynamically balance the ailerons.
Lee
Firestar II
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Sellers [mailto:dsel1@bellsouth.net]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spats...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
I was under the impression that spats on an airplane are those things used
on aerobatic planes that are attached to the outer ends on the ailerons and
hang down. I'm not sure of their function but I'm pretty sure that's what
they're called.
Maybe I'm wrong, happens all the time.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Subject: Kolb-List: Spats...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
>
> I was just wondering: those "Spats" absolutely look racey, but do they
> really benefit the flight characteristics at our moderate airspeeds? I
> mean in terms of detectable schange of crusespeed or fuel consumption?
>
> Op 28-feb-05 om 21:16 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
>> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>
>> Hi Bryan,
>> <<, what are spats?>>
>>
>> I had no idea that anyone called them anything else, but then I am
>> incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to use out of date words
>> and phrases long after everyone else has moved on. They are the
>> streamlined mud
>> collectors that you fit over your planes wheels.
>>
>> One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had a non retractable
>> but fully enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was described as
>> `trousered`.
>>
>> I wondered after I replied to your query if it was the phrase `swings
>> and roundabouts` which required explanation, considering that you
>> don`t have
>> `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have guessed wrongly
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>
>> do not archive
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2/17 Mk3/912 Flight Report (Error) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 2/20/2005 8:02:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mitchmnd@msn.com writes:
Hey gang,
I was surprised that no one noticed the error in my last report. I said my
plane had a tendency to roll to the right so I lowered the trailing edge of my
left wing. Horrors!,, that would make a right roll a lot worse. What I meant
to say was that some right stick pressure was required and lowering the
trailing edge of the left wing made the stick stay pretty well centered. Gene
L.
told me about it at lunch today advising me to be ready for some e-criticism.
Joke's on him, apparently nobody read it.
Fly Safe,
Duane the plane Mitchell, Mk3/912, IVO
I read it Mitch, but somehow I concluded you were really talking about
reflexing instead of moving the whole trailing edge......but knowing you....I
knew
you would do it "right".
yer bud in The Villages
George
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Those "things that hang down" from the aelirons are counterweights --
control surfaces must be balanced to avoid flutter. They also catch
some wind & tend to lighten the control-stick forces.
On Mar 1, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Creech, Lee (Local Govt) wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Creech, Lee (Local Govt)"
> <Lee.Creech@ky.gov>
>
> Methinks those are "spades" . . . They aerodynamically balance the
> ailerons.
>
>
> Lee
> Firestar II
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale Sellers [mailto:dsel1@bellsouth.net]
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spats...
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> I was under the impression that spats on an airplane are those things
> used
> on aerobatic planes that are attached to the outer ends on the
> ailerons and
> hang down. I'm not sure of their function but I'm pretty sure that's
> what
> they're called.
>
> Maybe I'm wrong, happens all the time.
>
> Dale Sellers
> Georgia UltraStar
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Spats...
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
>>
>> I was just wondering: those "Spats" absolutely look racey, but do they
>> really benefit the flight characteristics at our moderate airspeeds? I
>> mean in terms of detectable schange of crusespeed or fuel consumption?
>>
>> Op 28-feb-05 om 21:16 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
>>> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>>
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>> <<, what are spats?>>
>>>
>>> I had no idea that anyone called them anything else, but then I am
>>> incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to use out of date words
>>> and phrases long after everyone else has moved on. They are the
>>> streamlined mud
>>> collectors that you fit over your planes wheels.
>>>
>>> One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had a non retractable
>>> but fully enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was described as
>>> `trousered`.
>>>
>>> I wondered after I replied to your query if it was the phrase `swings
>>> and roundabouts` which required explanation, considering that you
>>> don`t have
>>> `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have guessed wrongly
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
Here's a couple pictures of what spades look like:
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com/images/titan/tflying4.jpg
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com/TitanSS/2ss1.jpg
For that matter, they also show what spats (wheelpants) look like, too. :>)
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of russ kinne
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:24 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spats...
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
>
> Those "things that hang down" from the aelirons are counterweights --
> control surfaces must be balanced to avoid flutter. They also catch
> some wind & tend to lighten the control-stick forces.
>
> On Mar 1, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Creech, Lee (Local Govt) wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Creech, Lee (Local Govt)"
> > <Lee.Creech@ky.gov>
> >
> > Methinks those are "spades" . . . They aerodynamically balance the
> > ailerons.
> >
> >
> > Lee
> > Firestar II
> >
> > Do not archive
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Russ/all
There are spats which we in the USA call wheel pants. There are spades which
are as Lee says are things some aerobatic airplanes have to lighten the
control forces for ailerons. and there are aileron counter weights which are
all different things for different purposes.
My $.01 worth
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "russ kinne" <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spats...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
>
> Those "things that hang down" from the aelirons are counterweights --
> control surfaces must be balanced to avoid flutter. They also catch
> some wind & tend to lighten the control-stick forces.
>
> On Mar 1, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Creech, Lee (Local Govt) wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Creech, Lee (Local Govt)"
>> <Lee.Creech@ky.gov>
>>
>> Methinks those are "spades" . . . They aerodynamically balance the
>> ailerons.
>>
>>
>> Lee
>> Firestar II
>>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
attached to the outer ends on the ailerons >>
Hi,
I think those are just called counterweights. They help control `flutter`.
They are definitely NOT spats but then...what do I know, I`m only a Limey
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Ed,
Thanks for the pix. What is the ratio of the drive you have?
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Belt drives
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber"
> <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
>
> Dale,
> Just sent the pics of the cog belt drive on my modified Ultrastar
> to your e-mail .....I do have a CGS belt drive that came off the CGS
> Hawk I am rebuilding. I got the whole set-up with a 3 blade precision prop
> that was undamaged when the engine quit and the pilot made a mess of the
> left wing and cage....It is a 6 V-belt system that came off the UL 202 . I
> was going to put it on E-bay but will take $150 plus shipping...The total
> time on the aircraft was about 50 hours since built in the 80's and I do
> know the seller who was a friend of the owner so I am reasonably sure it
> is correct ......(sounds similar to what the saleman said who sold me my
> last used car)...
>
> Honest ED in Western NY
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Oh, OK. I stand corrected. Thanks Lee.
Dale Sellers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Creech, Lee (Local Govt)" <Lee.Creech@ky.gov>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Spats...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Creech, Lee (Local Govt)"
> <Lee.Creech@ky.gov>
>
> Methinks those are "spades" . . . They aerodynamically balance the
> ailerons.
>
>
> Lee
> Firestar II
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale Sellers [mailto:dsel1@bellsouth.net]
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spats...
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> I was under the impression that spats on an airplane are those things used
> on aerobatic planes that are attached to the outer ends on the ailerons
> and
> hang down. I'm not sure of their function but I'm pretty sure that's what
> they're called.
>
> Maybe I'm wrong, happens all the time.
>
> Dale Sellers
> Georgia UltraStar
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Spats...
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
>>
>> I was just wondering: those "Spats" absolutely look racey, but do they
>> really benefit the flight characteristics at our moderate airspeeds? I
>> mean in terms of detectable schange of crusespeed or fuel consumption?
>>
>> Op 28-feb-05 om 21:16 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
>>> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>>
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>> <<, what are spats?>>
>>>
>>> I had no idea that anyone called them anything else, but then I am
>>> incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to use out of date words
>>> and phrases long after everyone else has moved on. They are the
>>> streamlined mud
>>> collectors that you fit over your planes wheels.
>>>
>>> One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had a non retractable
>>> but fully enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was described as
>>> `trousered`.
>>>
>>> I wondered after I replied to your query if it was the phrase `swings
>>> and roundabouts` which required explanation, considering that you
>>> don`t have
>>> `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have guessed wrongly
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: not really Kolb..but T.S. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Something about this plane generates an emotional response..>>
Hi Robert,
I agree.A great plane. I flew in one at a fly- in in New Zealand a few years
ago.Marvellous.
One used to operate between the `toe` of England at Penzance and the Scilly
Isles. About 30 miles.
I am told that the pilot would get in the plane, in a passemger seat, before
the rest of the passengers. No uniform. After waiting for a while he would
act the irate passenger saying " I can`t stand waiting around like this. I
used to fly Spitfires during the war and I bet I can fly this old crate".
He would then struggle into the cockpit and make a great play of finding his
way around the controls, finally start the engines and take off.
The passengers meanwhile in true Brit style, and not wanting to cause a
fuss, maintained their aplomb and pretended that everything was normal.
Must have been fun
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Dale,
those things on the wings of aerobatic craft are spades, they help lighten
the load on the large control surfaces.
Mike
G-CDFA
Xtra/Jab 2200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spats...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> I was under the impression that spats on an airplane are those things used
> on aerobatic planes that are attached to the outer ends on the ailerons
> and
> hang down. I'm not sure of their function but I'm pretty sure that's what
> they're called.
>
> Maybe I'm wrong, happens all the time.
>
> Dale Sellers
> Georgia UltraStar
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Spats...
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
>>
>> I was just wondering: those "Spats" absolutely look racey, but do they
>> really benefit the flight characteristics at our moderate airspeeds? I
>> mean in terms of detectable schange of crusespeed or fuel consumption?
>>
>> Op 28-feb-05 om 21:16 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
>>> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>>>
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>> <<, what are spats?>>
>>>
>>> I had no idea that anyone called them anything else, but then I am
>>> incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to use out of date words
>>> and
>>> phrases long after everyone else has moved on. They are the
>>> streamlined mud
>>> collectors that you fit over your planes wheels.
>>>
>>> One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had a non retractable but
>>> fully
>>> enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was described as `trousered`.
>>>
>>> I wondered after I replied to your query if it was the phrase `swings
>>> and
>>> roundabouts` which required explanation, considering that you don`t
>>> have
>>> `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have guessed wrongly
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Here's a couple pictures>>
Hi JD,
What a pretty plane and the pics on your home page are great.
Really envious.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
They look classy but you're better off streamlining the gear legs.>>
Not sure about that. On my Challenger I have spats and streamlined gear legs
and wing struts.
<<Would the legs of the DeHavilland DH89A Dragon Rapide qualify as
"trousers"?>>
Yep.! I reckon so.
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I usually think of spats as sort of the rear half of wheel pants.
Streamlines the back of the wheels. The front half of the wheels are still
open. Spades are small plates that hang off the ailerons. Counterwieghts are
heavy things attached to the aileron but have no function in the
aerodynamics of the wing, used to avoid flutter.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
Subject: Kolb-List: Spats...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
>
> I was just wondering: those "Spats" absolutely look racey, but do they
> really benefit the flight characteristics at our moderate airspeeds? I
> mean in terms of detectable schange of crusespeed or fuel consumption?
>
> Op 28-feb-05 om 21:16 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
> > <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> >
> > Hi Bryan,
> > <<, what are spats?>>
> >
> > I had no idea that anyone called them anything else, but then I am
> > incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to use out of date words
> > and
> > phrases long after everyone else has moved on. They are the
> > streamlined mud
> > collectors that you fit over your planes wheels.
> >
> > One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had a non retractable but
> > fully
> > enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was described as `trousered`.
> >
> > I wondered after I replied to your query if it was the phrase `swings
> > and
> > roundabouts` which required explanation, considering that you don`t
> > have
> > `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have guessed wrongly
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
>
> > do not archive
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Kolb Fliers,
I need help.
Has anyone figured out a way to fasten the polycarbonate to the steel tube
frame of a Kolb cockpit in a fashion that holds up to several hundred hours
of flying?
I seem to be going backwards, my first windows lasted 500 hours, the second
set lasted 200 hours and this last set has lasted only 6 hours. Each time I
have used aluminum rivets to attach the plastic with nothing between it and
the fabric covered tubes.
Any help will sure be appreciated.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 714 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
Funny I thought spats were a type of collar men wore
at the turn of the century.
and Spades are my lucky suit at the Blackjack table!
Har Har Har
Please do not archive
Mike (started with Lar and keeping up with him)
--- woody <duesouth@govital.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody"
> <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> I usually think of spats as sort of the rear half
> of wheel pants.
> Streamlines the back of the wheels. The front half
> of the wheels are still
> open. Spades are small plates that hang off the
> ailerons. Counterwieghts are
> heavy things attached to the aileron but have no
> function in the
> aerodynamics of the wing, used to avoid flutter.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Spats...
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Pollus
> <pollus@fornerod.nl>
> >
> > I was just wondering: those "Spats" absolutely
> look racey, but do they
> > really benefit the flight characteristics at our
> moderate airspeeds? I
> > mean in terms of detectable schange of crusespeed
> or fuel consumption?
> >
> > Op 28-feb-05 om 21:16 heeft PATRICK LADD het
> volgende geschreven:
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
> > > <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> > >
> > > Hi Bryan,
> > > <<, what are spats?>>
> > >
> > > I had no idea that anyone called them anything
> else, but then I am
> > > incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to
> use out of date words
> > > and
> > > phrases long after everyone else has moved on.
> They are the
> > > streamlined mud
> > > collectors that you fit over your planes wheels.
> > >
> > > One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had
> a non retractable but
> > > fully
> > > enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was
> described as `trousered`.
> > >
> > > I wondered after I replied to your query if it
> was the phrase `swings
> > > and
> > > roundabouts` which required explanation,
> considering that you don`t
> > > have
> > > `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have
> guessed wrongly
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > do not archive
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Spades, Dale, spades...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
At 07:36 AM 3/1/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
>I was under the impression that spats on an airplane are those things used
>on aerobatic planes that are attached to the outer ends on the ailerons and
>hang down. I'm not sure of their function but I'm pretty sure that's what
>they're called.
>
>Maybe I'm wrong, happens all the time.
>
>Dale Sellers
>Georgia UltraStar
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: Spats...
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Pollus <pollus@fornerod.nl>
> >
> > I was just wondering: those "Spats" absolutely look racey, but do they
> > really benefit the flight characteristics at our moderate airspeeds? I
> > mean in terms of detectable schange of crusespeed or fuel consumption?
> >
> > Op 28-feb-05 om 21:16 heeft PATRICK LADD het volgende geschreven:
> >
> >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
> >> <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> >>
> >> Hi Bryan,
> >> <<, what are spats?>>
> >>
> >> I had no idea that anyone called them anything else, but then I am
> >> incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to use out of date words
> >> and
> >> phrases long after everyone else has moved on. They are the
> >> streamlined mud
> >> collectors that you fit over your planes wheels.
> >>
> >> One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had a non retractable but
> >> fully
> >> enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was described as `trousered`.
> >>
> >> I wondered after I replied to your query if it was the phrase `swings
> >> and
> >> roundabouts` which required explanation, considering that you don`t
> >> have
> >> `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have guessed wrongly
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Pat
> >>
> >>
> >
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
steel tube
| frame of a Kolb cockpit in a fashion that holds up to several
hundred hours
| of flying?
Hi John W/Gents:
Don't know if we have any ladies on the Kolb List or not. Maybe I
should have addressed ladies and gents.
I drill and pop mine, John. No special way of doing it. Sometimes
I'll get some tiny stress fractures going out from the rivet holes
over a long period of time.
My problem with lexan/polycarbonate is gasoline. You got a remedy for
keeping gas off the lexan? I ruined new lexan on left door and
quarter window in Alaska when the fuel fill hose I was using popped
off the can and splashed on the glass. Instant scrap. Made me want
to sit down and cry. Did a quick repair with gaffer's tape and it is
still on there since last July. ;-) Was going to replace the door
glass and quarter window before flying this year, but changed my mind.
Think I will put a quick patch/splice on it to replace the small area
that got zapped by auto gas, and drive on.
Am ready to get this flying season going. Looking forward to Lakeland
and MV and Moab and Bryce Canyon and Alvord and Rigby, Idaho, plus
Colorado and all the rest of the neat places the little Kolb is going
to carry me this summer. Let's get it on!
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
John,
After experiencing cracking on mine, I enlarged the holes & that
seemed to do it, maybe a small flat washer between tube & polycarbonate
would work better still? ...Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Williamson
Subject: Kolb-List: Cracked windscreens
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Kolb Fliers,
I need help.
Has anyone figured out a way to fasten the polycarbonate to the steel tube
frame of a Kolb cockpit in a fashion that holds up to several hundred hours
of flying?
I seem to be going backwards, my first windows lasted 500 hours, the second
set lasted 200 hours and this last set has lasted only 6 hours. Each time I
have used aluminum rivets to attach the plastic with nothing between it and
the fabric covered tubes.
Any help will sure be appreciated.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 714 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Oversize the hole for a nylon sleeve/bushing that is a bit thicker than the
poly. Then insert the rivet through the sleeve and pop it. Expanding the
sleeve so it snugs up against the poly and insulates it from the rivet. In
electronics we use sleeves like this and some also have an integrated nylon
flat washer on one end. Might find them at an electronics store. Might be
worth a try......my 2 pennies.....Kirk
> Has anyone figured out a way to fasten the polycarbonate to the steel tube
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I believe they were the white things gentlemen wore around their shoes
and ankles back in the olden days when Lar was young and the earth was
starting to cool.
>
>
> Funny I thought spats were a type of collar men wore
> at the turn of the century.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
I have not had the experience yet and am making this up as I go. Try some
double sided foam tape between the windshield and frame as well as enlarging
the holes. Should stop the vibrations that may be causing the poly to crack.
Lexan is harder to crack but scratches easier.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Cracked windscreens
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Kolb Fliers,
>
> I need help.
>
> Has anyone figured out a way to fasten the polycarbonate to the steel tube
> frame of a Kolb cockpit in a fashion that holds up to several hundred
hours
> of flying?
>
> I seem to be going backwards, my first windows lasted 500 hours, the
second
> set lasted 200 hours and this last set has lasted only 6 hours. Each time
I
> have used aluminum rivets to attach the plastic with nothing between it
and
> the fabric covered tubes.
>
> Any help will sure be appreciated.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 714 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
the olden days when Lar was young and the earth was
> starting to cool.
Hehehehe......good un Woody......you southern guys got a sense uh
humor......
Do no archive
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Lexan is harder to crack but scratches easier. Woody
Woody of Windsor/Gang:
Polycarbonate is Lexan, I theennkk!
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
Bryan...List,
Great site Bryan for building a com antenna...lots of good pictures...very detailed
instructions...thanks a bunch for sharing it with us. I will get some good
use of that site.
Steve Kroll
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Glad you got some use out of it Steve. It was passed to me by a friend
that drives a Challenger (we won't hold that against him but will try to
convert him).
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Do not archive
Steve Kroll wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Steve Kroll <muso2080@yahoo.com>
>
>Bryan...List,
>
>Great site Bryan for building a com antenna...lots of good pictures...very detailed
instructions...thanks a bunch for sharing it with us. I will get some good
use of that site.
>
>Steve Kroll
>do not archive
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
John Williamson wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
>Kolb Fliers,
>
>I need help.
>
>Has anyone figured out a way to fasten the polycarbonate to the steel tube
>frame of a Kolb cockpit in a fashion that holds up to several hundred hours
>of flying?
>
>I seem to be going backwards, my first windows lasted 500 hours, the second
>set lasted 200 hours and this last set has lasted only 6 hours. Each time I
>have used aluminum rivets to attach the plastic with nothing between it and
>the fabric covered tubes.
>
>Any help will sure be appreciated.
>
>
>John Williamson
>Arlington, TX
>
I have no idea whether you can adapt this to a Kolb, but have a look:
http://www.mstewart.net/michael/rv/index.htm
http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20040515213437823
http://www.sikaindustry.com/ipd-marine-window-295
http://www.rv8.ch/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Interlaken04&id=DSC01822
The adhesives are variations on Sikaflex 295UV or SemWeld from 3M.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 04:19 PM 3/1/05 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
>Kolb Fliers,
>
>I need help.
>
>I seem to be going backwards, my first windows lasted 500 hours, the second
>set lasted 200 hours and this last set has lasted only 6 hours. Each time I
>have used aluminum rivets to attach the plastic with nothing between it and
>the fabric covered tubes.
>
John,
Enlarge the holes in the lexan. As a pop rivet mandrel is pulled, the rivet crushes
and expands into the hole. This places the lexan in tension around the
hole. With time it will crack. To determine the best oversize, make some tests
using a long narrow piece of scrap lexan. Drill an 1/8 inch hole in toward
one end and pop rivet it to a piece of scrap. Then try to rotate the strip around
the rivet. Drill out the rivet and re drill the hole in the lexan 1/64 of
and inch larger. Repeat the process until there is no noticeable reduction
in the torque to rotate the lexan strip. At this point you have found the oversize
at which the aluminum rivet does not put the lexan hole surface in tension.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Try 3M splicing tape, it's stretchy and acts as a cushion and gap
sealer.
-this is NOT the regular electrical tape.
I used it between my steel tubes and lexan. I used nutserts
and 10-32 stainless screws on my large diameter pipes.
The advice offered for sleeving rivets with tubing sounds good
if you can find a small enough diameter poly tubing and cut it
to fit an enlarged lexan hole.
-BB do not archive
On 1, Mar 2005, at 7:43 PM, woody wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> I have not had the experience yet and am making this up as I go. Try
> some
> double sided foam tape between the windshield and frame as well as
> enlarging
> the holes. Should stop the vibrations that may be causing the poly to
> crack.
> Lexan is harder to crack but scratches easier.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
> To: "Kolb List" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Cracked windscreens
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>>
>> Kolb Fliers,
>>
>> I need help.
>>
>> Has anyone figured out a way to fasten the polycarbonate to the steel
>> tube
>> frame of a Kolb cockpit in a fashion that holds up to several hundred
> hours
>> of flying?
>>
>> I seem to be going backwards, my first windows lasted 500 hours, the
> second
>> set lasted 200 hours and this last set has lasted only 6 hours. Each
>> time
> I
>> have used aluminum rivets to attach the plastic with nothing between
>> it
> and
>> the fabric covered tubes.
>>
>> Any help will sure be appreciated.
>>
>>
>> John Williamson
>> Arlington, TX
>>
>> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 714 hours
>> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ruined lexan and gaffer tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "kfackler" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
> to sit down and cry. Did a quick repair with gaffer's tape
John:
What is gaffer's tape and how did you use it to repair lexan damaged by
gasoline?
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
ethods."
>
> Reg,
> Fred F.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ruined lexan and gaffer tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
damaged by
| gasoline?
|
| -Ken Fackler
Hi Ken/Gang:
Gaffer's tape is what "roadies" use to secure their sound and light
cables to the floor when they set up of shows on the road, i.e., rock
concerts, Willie Nelson, etc. It is strong, yet removes easily.
Also, does not leave residue. I do not know where to buy it. I got a
couple rolls from a local friend that works at the Civic Center. Need
to find him and see if I can scrounge some more. I kept one roll and
shipped the other roll, florescent yellow, to my buddy in Wiseman,
Alaska. He is about 75 miles north of the Arctic Circle. Runs a 125
mile trap line during the winter. He uses it to do something to his
snow machine and also wraps the handle of his ax so he can easily find
it when dropped in the snow.
It is also good for placing a couple wraps around the radiator to keep
the CHT and engine oil temps up where they belong. Cheap thermostat.
;-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
In replacing several Cessna windscreens, especially on models with 4
bangers, I sleeve the driven rivets with a very short (same as screen
thickness) piece of electrical sleeving, that fits over the rivet and
clears the hole. Of course you have to drill the plexi a little
oversize, but certainly got rid of the cracking.
Bon N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Et tu, Brutus.............?? :-) Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Sharp" <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spats...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Michael Sharp <kolbdriver@mlsharp.com>
>
> Funny I thought spats were a type of collar men wore
> at the turn of the century.
>
> and Spades are my lucky suit at the Blackjack table!
>
> Har Har Har
>
> Please do not archive
> Mike (started with Lar and keeping up with him)
>
> --- woody <duesouth@govital.net> wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody"
>> <duesouth@govital.net>
>>
>> I usually think of spats as sort of the rear half
>> of wheel pants.
>> Streamlines the back of the wheels. The front half
>> of the wheels are still
>> open. Spades are small plates that hang off the
>> ailerons. Counterwieghts are
>> heavy things attached to the aileron but have no
>> function in the
>> aerodynamics of the wing, used to avoid flutter.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pollus" <pollus@fornerod.nl>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Spats...
>>
>>
>> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Pollus
>> <pollus@fornerod.nl>
>> >
>> > I was just wondering: those "Spats" absolutely
>> look racey, but do they
>> > really benefit the flight characteristics at our
>> moderate airspeeds? I
>> > mean in terms of detectable schange of crusespeed
>> or fuel consumption?
>> >
>> > Op 28-feb-05 om 21:16 heeft PATRICK LADD het
>> volgende geschreven:
>> >
>> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD"
>> > > <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>> > >
>> > > Hi Bryan,
>> > > <<, what are spats?>>
>> > >
>> > > I had no idea that anyone called them anything
>> else, but then I am
>> > > incredibly oldfashioned and tend to continue to
>> use out of date words
>> > > and
>> > > phrases long after everyone else has moved on.
>> They are the
>> > > streamlined mud
>> > > collectors that you fit over your planes wheels.
>> > >
>> > > One of the 30`s Miles aircraft (the Hawk?) had
>> a non retractable but
>> > > fully
>> > > enclosed streamlined undercarriage which was
>> described as `trousered`.
>> > >
>> > > I wondered after I replied to your query if it
>> was the phrase `swings
>> > > and
>> > > roundabouts` which required explanation,
>> considering that you don`t
>> > > have
>> > > `roundabouts` only `carousels`, but I must have
>> guessed wrongly
>> > >
>> > > Cheers
>> > >
>> > > Pat
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > do not archive
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Contributions
>> any other
>> Forums.
>>
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>> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
BN, that's good. -how about shrink tubing around the pop rivet?
-BB do not archive
On 1, Mar 2005, at 8:44 PM, Bob N. wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> In replacing several Cessna windscreens, especially on models with 4
> bangers, I sleeve the driven rivets with a very short (same as screen
> thickness) piece of electrical sleeving, that fits over the rivet and
> clears the hole. Of course you have to drill the plexi a little
> oversize, but certainly got rid of the cracking.
>
> Bon N.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
My late father wore spats every winter. They were thick covers that
went from upper ankles to down over the shoe laces. He was born 1883.
My understanding of aircraft spats/pants: spats cover the rear half of
wheels, while pants cover the whole wheel to the axle. They must have a
mud scraper in the rear part else you mine a bunch of soil.
Bob N.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, Richard, you may be right. Mine hasn't any flying hours, (vibration)
but lots and lots of heating/cooling cycles, and not a single crack. I,
too, enlarged the holes to allow for expansion. A couple of 1/8" holes for
alignment, and the rest 3/16". Used the wide headed aluminum rivets. I had
thought of running a strip of Poly-Fiber's anti-chafing stickum tape under
the lexan, but can't remember if I actually did it. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Cracked windscreens
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski"
> <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
>
> John,
> After experiencing cracking on mine, I enlarged the holes & that
> seemed to do it, maybe a small flat washer between tube & polycarbonate
> would work better still? ...Richard Swiderski
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Williamson
> To: Kolb List
> Subject: Kolb-List: Cracked windscreens
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
> <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Kolb Fliers,
>
> I need help.
>
> Has anyone figured out a way to fasten the polycarbonate to the steel tube
> frame of a Kolb cockpit in a fashion that holds up to several hundred
> hours
> of flying?
>
> I seem to be going backwards, my first windows lasted 500 hours, the
> second
> set lasted 200 hours and this last set has lasted only 6 hours. Each time
> I
> have used aluminum rivets to attach the plastic with nothing between it
> and
> the fabric covered tubes.
>
> Any help will sure be appreciated.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 714 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Aaaaaargh ! ! ! You characters remember that far back ?? Nixon
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spats...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> the olden days when Lar was young and the earth was
>> starting to cool.
>
>
> Hehehehe......good un Woody......you southern guys got a sense uh
> humor......
>
>
> Do no archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Re: why didn't I use shrink tubing?
Shrink tubing costs a lot more, and I didn't want to do anything to
change the temper of the driven rivets.
But fair idea.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: Ruined lexan and gaffer tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
The A/V guys at the hotel just use various widths and colors of duct
tape......also known as 200 mph tape by drag racers. :-)
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ruined lexan and gaffer tape
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> damaged by
>
>
> Hi Ken/Gang:
>
> Gaffer's tape is what "roadies" use to secure their sound and light
> cables to the floor when they set up of shows on the road, i.e., rock
> concerts, Willie Nelson, etc. It is strong, yet removes easily.
> Also, does not leave residue. I do not know where to buy it. I got a
> couple rolls from a local friend that works at the Civic Center. Need
> to find him and see if I can scrounge some more. I kept one roll and
> shipped the other roll, florescent yellow, to my buddy in Wiseman,
> Alaska. He is about 75 miles north of the Arctic Circle. Runs a 125
> mile trap line during the winter. He uses it to do something to his
> snow machine and also wraps the handle of his ax so he can easily find
> it when dropped in the snow.
>
> It is also good for placing a couple wraps around the radiator to keep
> the CHT and engine oil temps up where they belong. Cheap thermostat.
> ;-)
>
> john h
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ul15rhb@juno.com" <ul15rhb@juno.com>
John,
I drilled and tapped holes in the cage so I could use a machine screw. I can't
remember what size, but it was about a 6-32 with a finer pitch thread and may
have been metric. A large washer on the outside of the lexan will spread the load
under each screw. This allows me to take off the windscreen to work on the
panel. The lexan does not crack and have done it this way for many years. I replaced
the lexan about 10 years ago, but not because it was cracked (I wanted
a longer windscreen). Be careful not to tighten them too tight. If it's snug,
it will not loosen.
Ralph
Original Firestar
18 years flying it
-- "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Kolb Fliers,
I need help.
Has anyone figured out a way to fasten the polycarbonate to the steel tube
frame of a Kolb cockpit in a fashion that holds up to several hundred hours
of flying?
I seem to be going backwards, my first windows lasted 500 hours, the second
set lasted 200 hours and this last set has lasted only 6 hours. Each time I
have used aluminum rivets to attach the plastic with nothing between it and
the fabric covered tubes.
Any help will sure be appreciated.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 714 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
Now includes pop-up blocker!
Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked windscreens |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Try drilling the holes in the Lexan first oversize greater than 1/8" or
whatever size rivet you are using. Give it some room to expand and
contract. Tony Bingelis said that a 24" square sheet of Plexiglas would
expand and contract by 1/8" over a 100 degree temp range, so it's something
to think about.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 04:19 PM 3/1/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
>Kolb Fliers,
>
>I need help.
>
>Has anyone figured out a way to fasten the polycarbonate to the steel tube
>frame of a Kolb cockpit in a fashion that holds up to several hundred hours
>of flying?
>
>I seem to be going backwards, my first windows lasted 500 hours, the second
>set lasted 200 hours and this last set has lasted only 6 hours. Each time I
>have used aluminum rivets to attach the plastic with nothing between it and
>the fabric covered tubes.
>
>Any help will sure be appreciated.
>
>
>John Williamson
>Arlington, TX
>
>Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912UL, 714 hours
>http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
TEst Test Test Something is cracked !! :-)
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Ya'll:
Steve Garvelink, Dallas Bay, Tennessee, sent me this url for Gaffer's
Tape:
http://www34.pair.com/harrison/thetapeworks.com/progaff.htm
It is some good stuff. Well, worth what you have to pay for it,
although this will be the first time I have had to actually buy some.
Whoa is me. ;-(
Take care,
john h
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