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1. 02:38 AM - Re: New engine (bryan green)
2. 04:27 AM - GSC Prop (Lowell Metz)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Spats...but not Kolb (PATRICK LADD)
4. 06:57 AM - Re: Spats... (PATRICK LADD)
5. 08:18 AM - Re: Spats... (jerb)
6. 10:53 AM - antennas (Charles & Meredith Blackwell)
7. 10:53 AM - Re: Spats... (John Hauck)
8. 10:58 AM - Re: Spats... (John Hauck)
9. 11:59 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 03/02/05 (DMe5430944@aol.com)
10. 12:16 PM - Re: Spats... aka SPLATS (Bob N.)
11. 12:22 PM - Re: Spats... aka SPLATS (John Hauck)
12. 12:48 PM - Re: Spats... aka SPLATS, or jes one more (Bob N.)
13. 02:39 PM - Change of subject (Dale Sellers)
14. 03:16 PM - Re: Gaffer's Tape (Jerry Curtin)
15. 04:43 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
16. 05:02 PM - change of subject (Dallas Shepherd)
17. 05:11 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (Kirk Smith)
18. 06:20 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (Dale Sellers)
19. 07:56 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (John Hauck)
20. 08:15 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (John Hauck)
21. 08:44 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (Dale Sellers)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Thanks John
Bryan Green
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John Hauck wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
>Hi Bryan/Gang:
>
>I used a Jim Culver two blade wood prop 66X32 with polyurethane
>leading edge. Was a perfect combo for my original FS. Put a lot of
>cross country miles under those wings being pushed by that Culver
>prop.iously, I really have
>
>
>john h
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
Kolb listeners,
I would like to sell the prop from my Kolb FS II. It has 20 hours on it
since new.
GSC 66" wood , ground adjustable , inserted leading edges , with protractor. Hub
fits the 447 / 503 and was very smooth running. No damage.
$270.00 ( about half price of new)
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| Subject: | Re: Spats...but not Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
For ceremonial parades they'd
put weights inside the pant leg to give a nice smooth roll to the material
where it belled out at the top of the gaiter.>>
Hi Lar,
we made weights also.
I never used them being rather unmilitary by inclination. However my
Artillery Regiment was posted to guard duty at the Tower of London in 1948
(No, not as Beefeaters) and during our tour a new Governor of the Tower was
appointed. General somebody, I forget the name and this merited a big
parade.
News stands were erected for the worlds press and film news cameras and a
specially invited audience.
The unofficial word went round that weights were to be worn. They were made
by rolling strips of lead round a loop of string. The night before the
parade there were dozens of `squaddies` (GI`s to you) crawling around the
roof of the Tower of London hacking off strips of lead.
We formed up for the march on from the stone paved square to the grass area
where the inspection was to take place. I was tall, 6ft 1" in those days so
I was front rank, next the the Right Marker.
Right turn, Quick march, and with the whole world watching, as we reached
the grassed section my weights pulled my left trouser leg out of the gaiter
and fell around my instep. I stepped out of the loop but as we then halted
and Left Turned for the Generals Inspection I stood smartly to attention
with my trouser leg flapping in the breeze.
Very character building for an 18 year old.
The film was shown all over the world. Cinema`s always had a newsreel in
those days but although my parents saw it in my hometown I never managed to
catch up with it.
I never got the b*******g I expected. The sergeant told me I had done the
right thing by stepping out of the weights and carrying on, but I often
wonder if the lack of punishment was because weights themselves were not
really militarily approved.
Happy days
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
And in the US Army, puttees were British, we had leggons. >>
Crikey John,
which war were you in?
We wore puttees in the 1914/18 war (thats 1916/18 for you) but I think they
fell out of issue well before WW11.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Done some searching on the web. It seems our English brothers call what we
know as wheel pants, they call spats. Seems the Aussie's follow suit.
As applied to aviation I always thought a spat was a partial wheel covering
for streamlining the wheel but not a mud flap.
jerb
At 02:57 PM 3/3/05 +0000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
>And in the US Army, puttees were British, we had leggons. >>
>
>Crikey John,
>which war were you in?
>
>We wore puttees in the 1914/18 war (thats 1916/18 for you) but I think they
>fell out of issue well before WW11.
>
>Cheers
>
>Pat
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Charles & Meredith Blackwell <wozani@optonline.net>
For anyone with access to Kitplanes magazine, in their Dec. 2004 issue under Aero Lectrics they have a desing for antennas similar to the one provided on the website (http://www.challengers101.com/AntennaBuild.html) by Bryan. This one uses flexible 16 conductor computer ribbon cable though. Also there are directions for using something like a coat hanger and how to make grounding plates. I am probably going to be using either a retired airplane antenna or the ribbon style when I rebuild.
Until then the flexible one that came with my Icom seems to give good coverage
transmitting out to 15 miles, haven't tried further.
Charlie, MKII NJ
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| which war were you in?
Pat
Hi Pat/Gang:
And "crikey" right back atcha!!!
Vietnam 1966-1967
Vietnam 1969-1970
Only one war, but I got volunteered to do it twice. ;-)
I haven't commented on wheel pants for Kolb aircraft, although I did
have a beautiful set of them on my original Firestar. Spent many
hours fitting and finishing them. Flew my first test flight with
them, in fact. But that was all. At that time the Firestar kit was
supplied with Azusa black nylon two piece wheels. Little bitty guys.
Never knew small wheel could flex so much. When the wheel flexed the
tire rubbed the wheel pant.
I must add. I fly out of a cow pasture. Do not know how to translat
that into Pat's English. The cows constantly mine my airstrip with
big cow turds. Back then, there was no way to miss them all during
takeoff and landing. One of the primary reasons for the wheel pants
was to keep the cow crap off me and my airplane. The Ultrastar open
wheels did a good job of dispersing the fresh cow pies from the grass
to me and the bottom of the wing. Come to find out the wheel pants
did not help and were a pain in the butt. Still got routine cow crap
baths. When I took them off they each weighed 50 lbs total weight.
That's 2 lbs for the pants and 48 lbs of cow crap thrown into the rear
cavity of the pants.
My kind of flying, I don't need no fancy pants. I like big soft
tires, rough fields, gravel bars in the Tallapoosa River, and the
grass infield at Wetumpka Airport. ;-)
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
covering
| for streamlining the wheel but not a mud flap.
| jerb
jerb/Gang:
In Alaska and Canada you will find small gravel/mud shields for most
of the Cessna 206's, 210's. Also larger aircraft like Twin Otters.
Gravel and dirt reek havoc on sheet metal and metal props up there.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 03/02/05 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DMe5430944@aol.com
These were leggings and were worn with the lacing snaps on the outside of
the leg, recruits often put them on backwards with the snaps on the inside of
the leg and took a couple of steps then finding themselves flat on their face
cause the snaps connected. Submitted from experience after 25 years military.
Don Mekeel, ex Firefly owner in El Paso, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Spats... aka SPLATS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
please, John, those are more politely called Meadow Muffins
always corect, bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: Spats... aka SPLATS |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
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| always corect, bob N.
Sorry BobN/Gang:
Forgot "tender Bobby" was out there. ;-(
john h
pooh pooh pies
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| Subject: | Re: Spats... aka SPLATS, or jes one more |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Old farmer Brown's widow sent her grandson over to a bachelor at the
next farm, carrying a hot mince pie. Kid slipped and fell, losing the
pie. Had to pick up three-four before he got the correct one.
quitting while ahead,
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Change of subject |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Kolbers,
It appears to me that if all we have to talk about is cow patties and leggons,
we have reached the bottom of the barrel.
I have been kicking around ideas for improving the Kolb landing gear. It seems
that a lot of people have had trouble with bent or broken gear legs, including
myself.
One idea that comes to my mind and has on several ocassions, is the possibility
of using 1/2 of a auto leaf spring for a gear leg. One would have to fashion
a socket on the cage for the leaf to insert into and a spindle that would attach
to the bottom end of the leaf that would accept the wheel/backing plate for
brakes. It seems that this would give cushion to ground contact without bending
or breaking anything.
What do ya think? Anybody tried it before?
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
(sick of cow patties):>)
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| Subject: | Re: Gaffer's Tape |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net>
Thanks for the info on the tape john, Jerry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gaffer's Tape
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | what is the gaffer's tape used
>
> Jerry/Gang:
>
> I take it along on cross country flights for emergency situations.
> Can use it like you would use duct tape. Gaffers tape is much better
> quality. Sticks good, but also easy to remove. The primary
> application I like is using it to tape up the radiator during cold
> weather operation to keep eng oil temp and cyl head temp up to their
> recommended operating ranges. Last flight to Alaska I used it to
> repair lexan door and quarter window that got damaged when I
> accidently splashed auto fuel on them.
>
> john h
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Dale/all
I agree, we need a new subject
At Oshkosh last summer The New Kolb was showing a new set of landing gear
for the MKIII. They are longer (better angle of attack), tubular spring
steel (light and stronger), are bent down (not much wider if any), and
forward a bit (more weight on the tail wheel). Sounds like they are
listening to us.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Change of subject
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> It appears to me that if all we have to talk about is cow patties and
> leggons, we have reached the bottom of the barrel.
> I have been kicking around ideas for improving the Kolb landing gear. It
> seems that a lot of people have had trouble with bent or broken gear legs,
> including myself.
> One idea that comes to my mind and has on several ocassions, is the
> possibility of using 1/2 of a auto leaf spring for a gear leg. One would
> have to fashion a socket on the cage for the leaf to insert into and a
> spindle that would attach to the bottom end of the leaf that would accept
> the wheel/backing plate for brakes. It seems that this would give cushion
> to ground contact without bending or breaking anything.
>
> What do ya think? Anybody tried it before?
>
> Dale Sellers
> Georgia UltraStar
> (sick of cow patties):>)
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| Subject: | change of subject |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
I have the leaf spring for a landing gear on my 1983 T-Bird1 and I would
love to have something else, of course I can for
$325 dollars and one day to change it while suspending the
plane. Golden Circle only used this set up for one year due to damage to
the frame. They rejected it as a bad idea and I concur. I had to
straighten one as there are no replacement gears made for it. I had a much
easier time fixing gear on my Kolb Mark 3. Kolb sells a stronger gear which
I bought, but demolished my Mark 3 before I had a chance to put them on.
Sold them to someone on the west coast I think.
Dallas Shepherd
Norfork, Arkansas
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
I wonder if they are retrofittable to the older Mark3's?
The New Kolb was showing a new set of landing gear
> for the MKIII. They are longer (better angle of attack), tubular spring
> steel (light and stronger), are bent down (not much wider if any), and
> forward a bit (more weight on the tail wheel).
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Guys,
We're not dumb. We should be able to come up with a fix that works without
having to pay TNK an arm and a leg. I enjoy the challenge of solving
problems without being at the mercy of those with the high prices. I'm
retired and on a fixed income. That's why I'm flying an Ultrastar instead
of a Mark III Extra. I'm going to do some experimenting.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
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From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing Gear Legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> I wonder if they are retrofittable to the older Mark3's?
>
>
> The New Kolb was showing a new set of landing gear
>> for the MKIII. They are longer (better angle of attack), tubular spring
>> steel (light and stronger), are bent down (not much wider if any), and
>> forward a bit (more weight on the tail wheel).
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
without
| having to pay TNK an arm and a leg. I enjoy the challenge of
solving
| problems without being at the mercy of those with the high prices.
I'm
| retired and on a fixed income. That's why I'm flying an Ultrastar
instead
| of a Mark III Extra. I'm going to do some experimenting.
|
| Dale Sellers
Dale S/Gents/Ladies/and others:
You'll have to speak for yourself on that.
I haven't bought a Kolb gear leg since I bent those little ones that
came with the original Firestar Kit I received in 1986.
Been flying with my own gear legs since late 1986. Did some
experimenting, at the encouragement of Brother Jim, with 4130 tubular
heat treated main gear legs. Started out with 1" X .090" X a little
longer than the stock aluminum leg. Did some research, talked to Jan
(RIP) at Max Air to find out what the RC was on their gear legs. He
told me 42RC. Sent mine off to Lindberg Heat Treating in Orlando, FL.
Worked pretty good, but were too flexible, and not hard enough. I
ended up bending them pretty good. Also took out the left gear leg
socket that sheared at the end of the steel gear leg just about the
midpoint of the socket.
Back to the drawing board. Brother Jim suggested 1 1/8" X .120.
Ordered some tubing. When it arrived I told Jim it ain't gonna work.
Too big and too thick. No way. Had them heat treated to RC48. Also
cut them to 35.5". Lindberg could not handle anything over 36". This
length set up the FS in a perfect 3 pt stance. RC48 and the new
larger, heavier tubing worked out perfect. I still have those two
gear legs in my possession, but they have been sold to a good friend.
Will make me feel good to see them fly again on his FS.
For your info, the gear legs on my big fat overweight MKIII are 1 1/8"
X .120" X 24". They work great. Same RC numbers, 48. This makes a
good spring. They are flexible, yet if crashed, they will bend. I
tested them at Muncho Lake, BC, 1 July 2000. Bent both of them.
One of the reasons I try to do everything myself, house, truck,
tractor, boat, airplane, motorcylce, is to save money. If I did not
do the maintenance I could not affford to have them. I have been
living on retirement for 25+ years without the luxury of a job. Sure
was nice when I hit 62 and started drawing my SS check. Now I can
have peanut butter on my peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
Would be a simple job to design gear leg sockets for the US, cut some
4130 gear legs, have them heat treated, and enjoy some main gear with
a little flex.
I broke so many US main gear, Bro Jim built the last set out of .090
wall tubing. Was heavier, but much huskier. My big problem was
dropping it in on one gear about a foot off the ground. I had to make
a 45 deg turn on touch down on my little airstrip, which put the left
wing up and the right gear down. Had no brakes on the US. Had to
land as soon as I could to get her stopped in time.
Been flying off my own gear legs for 18 years now. Have no reason to
change when they get the job done.
Take care,
john h
PS: These gear legs not effected by cow manure. Thoroughly tested
every time I take off and land.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Also
| cut them to 35.5".
Hi Gang:
This is an addendum to my previous gear leg msg.
Should have included: Gear legs are inserted into the socket all the
way to the intersection where they will bottom out. This effectively
puts the entire gear leg socket to work for you, and the steel leg
does not act like a shear when mounted in the old Kolb prescribed
manner for the FS.
Sorry about that,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
The original gear on my US was the rigid, a-frame type with the cross
braces. All the tubing was .035, 4130. The first time I dropped it in from
about three feet. the gear main legs and braces curshed and folded. I was
running 8 lbs. in the 6" tires to try to give it a little cushion but it was
not enough. After that, I built a new set of gear legs as per the plans but
out of .120" wall thinkness. I also reamed the .035" x 3/4" OD spindles to
5/8" ID. Really just cleaned them out. The 5/8" reamer dodn't cut any
metal. I inserted a solid piece of 5/8" cold roll inside the spindles all
the way from the outer end where the cotter pin went through that holds the
wheel on to the inner end where the criss braces bolted onto the spindle.
The new cross braces were also made of 1/2" OD 4130, .120" wall thinkness.
This new gear has taken alot of punishment with no damage. I also fashioned
backing plate attach brackets from heavy duty, 3/4" ID flat washers, slipped
them over the 3/4" spindles and after drilling four 1/4" mounting holes to
mount the backing plates for the 6" drum brakes I added and welded them to
the spendles as far as they would go inward. I use heel brake pedals. The
brakes work great, they will hold a WOT runup and I can turn around on one
wheel but it is still a stiff gear. I've been running the idea through my
mind of constructing a gear using two pieces of flat car springs as gear
legs. It will have enough give to absorb hard landings without jaring the
plane and pilot and will be much more forgiving and cheap to build. I
might fail but I'm gonna give it a try. I think I can make it work.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing Gear Legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> without
> solving
> I'm
> instead
>
> Dale S/Gents/Ladies/and others:
>
> You'll have to speak for yourself on that.
>
> I haven't bought a Kolb gear leg since I bent those little ones that
> came with the original Firestar Kit I received in 1986.
>
> Been flying with my own gear legs since late 1986. Did some
> experimenting, at the encouragement of Brother Jim, with 4130 tubular
> heat treated main gear legs. Started out with 1" X .090" X a little
> longer than the stock aluminum leg. Did some research, talked to Jan
> (RIP) at Max Air to find out what the RC was on their gear legs. He
> told me 42RC. Sent mine off to Lindberg Heat Treating in Orlando, FL.
> Worked pretty good, but were too flexible, and not hard enough. I
> ended up bending them pretty good. Also took out the left gear leg
> socket that sheared at the end of the steel gear leg just about the
> midpoint of the socket.
>
> Back to the drawing board. Brother Jim suggested 1 1/8" X .120.
> Ordered some tubing. When it arrived I told Jim it ain't gonna work.
> Too big and too thick. No way. Had them heat treated to RC48. Also
> cut them to 35.5". Lindberg could not handle anything over 36". This
> length set up the FS in a perfect 3 pt stance. RC48 and the new
> larger, heavier tubing worked out perfect. I still have those two
> gear legs in my possession, but they have been sold to a good friend.
> Will make me feel good to see them fly again on his FS.
>
> For your info, the gear legs on my big fat overweight MKIII are 1 1/8"
> X .120" X 24". They work great. Same RC numbers, 48. This makes a
> good spring. They are flexible, yet if crashed, they will bend. I
> tested them at Muncho Lake, BC, 1 July 2000. Bent both of them.
>
> One of the reasons I try to do everything myself, house, truck,
> tractor, boat, airplane, motorcylce, is to save money. If I did not
> do the maintenance I could not affford to have them. I have been
> living on retirement for 25+ years without the luxury of a job. Sure
> was nice when I hit 62 and started drawing my SS check. Now I can
> have peanut butter on my peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
>
> Would be a simple job to design gear leg sockets for the US, cut some
> 4130 gear legs, have them heat treated, and enjoy some main gear with
> a little flex.
>
> I broke so many US main gear, Bro Jim built the last set out of .090
> wall tubing. Was heavier, but much huskier. My big problem was
> dropping it in on one gear about a foot off the ground. I had to make
> a 45 deg turn on touch down on my little airstrip, which put the left
> wing up and the right gear down. Had no brakes on the US. Had to
> land as soon as I could to get her stopped in time.
>
> Been flying off my own gear legs for 18 years now. Have no reason to
> change when they get the job done.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> PS: These gear legs not effected by cow manure. Thoroughly tested
> every time I take off and land.
>
>
>
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