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1. 02:09 AM - Re: Lexan & Plexiglas (Jim Ballenger)
2. 03:19 AM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (PATRICK LADD)
3. 04:30 AM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (Dale Sellers)
4. 04:40 AM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (Dale Sellers)
5. 06:36 AM - Re: Big 'ol Ailerons (formerly landing gear legs) (Jack & Louise Hart)
6. 06:54 AM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (russ kinne)
7. 07:08 AM - Firefly Cross Wind Capability (John Hauck)
8. 07:27 AM - Kolb Landing Gear or Poor Pilot Technique (John Hauck)
9. 09:24 AM - Re: Firefly Cross Wind Capability (Jack & Louise Hart)
10. 11:22 AM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (Jerry Curtin)
11. 11:35 AM - Re: Firestar Gear main spar,prop :( (HShack@aol.com)
12. 11:44 AM - cabin fever (Steve Garvelink)
13. 12:25 PM - Re: Spats... (HShack@aol.com)
14. 12:51 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
15. 01:47 PM - Re: Kolb Landing Gear or Poor Pilot Technique (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
16. 03:01 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (robert bean)
17. 03:14 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
18. 05:52 PM - Re: Firefly Cross Wind Capability (John Hauck)
19. 05:57 PM - Another Sensitive Reader (John Hauck)
20. 06:04 PM - Adverse Yaw (John Hauck)
21. 06:19 PM - Mr. Hauck (Dale Sellers)
22. 06:27 PM - Eaa (Jimmy)
23. 06:30 PM - Re: Rotax prices (Richard Pike)
24. 06:34 PM - Re: Eaa (bryan green)
25. 06:35 PM - Re: Kolb gear legs (Richard Pike)
26. 06:44 PM - Re: Eaa (Dale Sellers)
27. 06:53 PM - Re: Kolb gear legs (Dale Sellers)
28. 08:02 PM - Re: Kolb gear legs (Steve Garvelink)
29. 08:20 PM - Re: Kolb gear legs (Dale Sellers)
30. 08:24 PM - landing gear (woody)
31. 08:33 PM - Re: Eaa (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
32. 09:08 PM - Re: Kolb gear legs (Richard Swiderwski)
33. 09:27 PM - Re: Kolb gear legs (Dale Sellers)
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| Subject: | Re: Lexan & Plexiglas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
John
Thanks for the research and sharing the information. I have some black ink
on my windshield from the fine point marker I used to mark holes that are
drilled oversize to 3/16". It looks like graffiti remover will work. I'm
going to give it a try.
I noticed you now have a 912 instead of the 912S. Why did you change
engines?
I'm on the home stretch with my MK III X. I hope to test fly in the next
month or two.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Lexan & Plexiglas
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> From the responses I got back about my cracked windscreens, I thought I
> would add a little info about plastics.
>
> Plexiglass is a trade name for an acrylic plastic. It is hot formed and
used
> in most smaller FAA certified aircraft. It is hard and scratches can be
> worked out of it. It is resistant to auto and aviation fuels.
>
> Lexan, Tuffak and Hyzod are trade names for polycarbonate plastic. It can
be
> cold or hot formed but is fairly soft and pliable. It scratches easily and
> can not be readily repaired.
>
> Here is some info I took off the protective covering of my Lexan Sheet:
> --Cleaning:
> *Rinse sheet with lukewarm water; wash gently with mild soap or detergent
> and lukewarm water, using a soft cloth or sponge. DO NOT SCRUB or use
> brushes or squeegees.
> *Rinse again. Dry with soft cloth or moist cellulose sponge to prevent
water
> spotting.
> *To remove wet paint, glazing compound or grease, rub lightly with a good
> grade of VM&P naphtha or isopropyl alcohol, then was and rinse. DO NOT USE
> GASOLINE.
> --Compatible Cleaning Agents:
> *Aqueous Solutions of Soaps and Detergents
> Fantastik
> Formula 409
> Hexcel, F.O.554
> Joy
> Lysol
> Mr. Clean
> Neleco-Placer
> PineSol
> Top Job
> Windex
> *Organic Solvents
> Aliphatic Hydrocarbons
> Kerosene
> Naphtha (VM&P Grade)
> Petroleum Spirits
> *Alcohols
> Isopropyl Alcohol
> Methanol
> *Graffi Removal
> Butyl Cellosolve (For removal of paints, marking pen inks, lipstick,
> etc.)
>
> To minimize scratches and minor abrasions, use a mild automobile polish
such
> as Johnson's Paste Wax, Novus Plastic Polish #1 and #2 or Mirror Glaze
> Plastic Polish.
>
> I hope this enlightens someone besides me. I just want to go flying!
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra,
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
With the propensity of lawsuits these days I would think they would welcome
advise on how to improve their product.>>
Hi Dale,
with regards to the above quote.
I was surprised to receive a request from Kolb to sign away almost all my
rights to sue in nearly all circumstances. This included the basic rule (in
this country at any rate) that "goods supplied should be of merchantable
quality and fit for the purpose for which they are sold".
Not only that but any court case MUST be tried by a circuit judge in
Alabama. Having had a brush with the Americam legal system, and escaped by
the skin of my teeth, I have no hesitation in saying NO WAY Jose. I shall
not be signing.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Patrick,
I agree. Where in Alabama do you live? I'm just barely into GA past
Columbus but I originally from Miss and I come and go through Alabama all
the time as most of my relatives still live there.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing Gear Legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> With the propensity of lawsuits these days I would think they would
> welcome
> advise on how to improve their product.>>
>
> Hi Dale,
> with regards to the above quote.
> I was surprised to receive a request from Kolb to sign away almost all my
> rights to sue in nearly all circumstances. This included the basic rule
> (in
> this country at any rate) that "goods supplied should be of merchantable
> quality and fit for the purpose for which they are sold".
> Not only that but any court case MUST be tried by a circuit judge in
> Alabama. Having had a brush with the Americam legal system, and escaped
> by
> the skin of my teeth, I have no hesitation in saying NO WAY Jose. I shall
> not be signing.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Jerb,
The guy who's grass field I fly out of jokingly says that my rule is that I
don't fly unless the wind is at least 25mph. I've never had any problems at
his field but it seems that every time I visit the 6000' paved runway five
miles away, I get a nick in my prop or bend something. I carry about 4000
rpm's to touchdown because, like you say, if you cut the power, it stops.
But it is real sensitive ti wind gusts. But I still love to fly it. On a
still day, just above the treetops and fields in the countryside, there's
nothing like it.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing Gear Legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Dale,
> You yourself say your placing side loads on the gear, that says more
> likely
> there is some thing to do with pilot technique in play here - your not
> compensating for the wind keeping the nose of the plane and the flight
> path
> in line with the runway or flying in too windy conditions, exceeding the
> cross wind component the aircraft is capable of handling. Some people
> drag
> them in too slow and don't have any energy left to compensate. Since you
> have experience in a Luscomb which will eat some pilots lunch, it may be
> the latter. Not sure about the US but the FF slows down real quick once
> you start rounding out.
> jerb
>
> At 07:24 PM 3/4/05 -0500, you wrote:
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>Ellery,
>>
>>My US doesn't have the round tapered gear legs. The gear is rigid and the
>>only cushion is the 8 lbs of air I run in the tires. Although I've been
>>flying for 35 years, this is my first ultralight and there is quite a
>>difference, especially in the effect of wind on the light airframes. Many
>>times I have been set up for a greaser and a slight gust would push me off
>>the runway.
>>You can't take dual in an Ultrastar so I had to discover all the
>>differencies hands on. And even now, after 10 hours of flying the US,
>>most
>>of which was shooting TO's and landings, I find that the original gear was
>>much too light weight to handle the loads that changing winds can cause.
>>I've been flying taildraggers for 30 years, Luscombs, Taylorcrafts, a
>>Volksplane II I built and a Sonerai II I built and as squirreley as the
>>Sonerai was, the ultralight is a totaally different aircraft. I do know
>>how
>>to land a plane!
>>After wiping the origional gear out on the US caused by side loads, I
>>built
>>a new set of gear using .120" wall 4130 and so far, I've put some pretty
>>heavy loads on it and no problems. The original gear legs were .035".
>>
>>DS
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <ElleryWeld@aol.com>
>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing Gear Legs
>>
>>
>> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
>> >
>> > I am a welder and a machinist self employed and I have purchased a set
>> > of
>> > main gear legs when I first purchased My FS previous owner already beat
>> > me
>> > to the
>> > bending part, and I thought the price was cheap I wouldn't use my time
>> > to
>> > make them my self and I haven't needed another set yet knock on wood
>> > maybe, but
>> > maybe there are some people on here that just need to learn how to
>> > land,
>> > add
>> > vortex generators, do what it takes to make your landings as smooth as
>> > possible
>> > your not flying a hammer to beat the rocks into your runway, there are
>> > rollers
>> > to do that for you.
>> > Take it easy on your plane your life is in it, and support the TNK
>> >
>> > Ellery Batchelder Jr
>> > Maine Original Firestar
>> >
>> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Big 'ol Ailerons (formerly landing gear legs) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 11:06 PM 3/4/05 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
>Brother Hart...
>..............................
>Please explain how smaller chord, less powerful ailerons enable higher
>crosswind landing limits or enhanced forward slip capability... I would
>suggest that there is a good simple reason the short-chord ailerons result
>in lower stick forces.... they're deflecting less air and doing
>substantially less work out there on the wings.... I just fail to see how
>that increases the ability to influence the roll axis and produce the
>results you cite... (Are you making an adverse yaw argument?)
>
>Baffled Beauford in Brandon
>FF#076
>Manly Ailerons...
>
Bro Beauford...
I flew sailplanes for several years. Sailplane landing technique is a
little different in that one approaches the field and flares at well above
Vso. There are several reasons for this approach. First is to always make
the field and to have good roll capability to handle cross winds. Since you
have just one wheel, the aircraft must be stable before you pull the
spoilers and put it on down on the ground and apply the wheel brake. If you
are drifting sideways, the chances of ground looping and tearing up a wing
tip increase. I flew a little single seat Swchiezer (sp) that was a delight
to fly. You just had to think of moving the stick and it responded. I
believe it weighed about the same as the FireFly.
It may be that part of the differences between our planes is the fact that I
have one of the early ones, FF004. I have the old stick design and so I
believe the stick moment arm is about 5 to 6 inches less than the later
design. On the first flight, I discovered that I could not displace the
ailerons at cruise due to dynamic loading. I flew it to my EAA Chapter
Meeting 54 miles away in the middle of the day. Even though I told my self
that I did not have to compensate for roll to keep the wings level, my brain
kept sending signals to my right arm to keep the wings level. By the time I
got there my shoulder was sore. Also, one can bob up and down in a forward
motion for an hour or so with out any problem. But if you add an opposing
rolling motion at the same time, it is best to fly on an empty stomach.
Also there was no way to apply rudder and side slip it to stay lined up with
the strip center while landing in a cross wind. You had to crab it down,
kick it around at the last moment and hope the wind held steady. I called
the old Kolb Company and asked what I could do to lighten the aileron forces
and was told that it was an ultra light and to not fly in the middle of the
day.
I hanger in a long open bay hanger that can hold up to 20 planes. One day I
was helping to move planes and I realized the controls were not locked. So
I got out my incline meter and tape measure. I measured wing and aileron
length and chord and aileron deflections up and down from neutral. When I
compared these numbers to those for the FireFly, I found the aileron chord
and deflections were much to large. This lead to the change to a nine chord
aileron and adjusting the lower push rod position for 20 degrees maximum
aileron defection. After these changes, the FireFly became an any time of
the day flyer. The addition of vortex generators enhanced aileron
effectiveness and helps make up for what may be lost at the lower speeds.
Also, I have removed all play from the aileron control system.
The end result of these changes is that one can fly with little energy out
put which makes for relaxed and fun flying because the FireFly will respond
instantaneously. After an hour of flight my shoulder feels normal, and I
could get back in and do it again. It will handle direct gusty cross wind
landings of 20 mph and steady cross winds of 25 mph before running out of
rudder while slipping to keep it on the runway center. Best of all only
slight pressure is required to hold it into the slip or to keep the wings
level.
I never drag in on a landing approach. I approach high and when the field
is made, I throttle back push the stick forward and maintain 55 to 60 mphi
to the point of flare. Once the flare is made into ground effect you have
about three seconds to nurse it on down. With two degrees of flaperon, it
is easy to three point.
To answer your aileron chord question. Lets not talk about aileron
deflection by degree displacement but use inches up and down of the trailing
edge. Assuming all other things equal, if both the 15 and 9 inch chord
ailerons are deflected one inch on the trailing edge and assuming they
produce the same roll rate, the 9 inch chord aileron will require, due to
the smaller moment arm, 40% less force to deflect. If you are going to
always fly at the edge of stall, larger ailerons may be of some use. The
only time one flies at this speed is when you transition to and from the
ground and playing around at altitude and under these conditions the smaller
ailerons are more than adequate.
It is much nicer having a FireFly that is fun to fly any time of the day and
does not make your shoulder sore. My humble apologies for the lengthy
response. I agree with the previous responders, that if you build it and
you don't like it, change it until if fits your needs. Don't let anyone
tell you have to make changes if you are happy with what you have. But make
small incremental changes to prevent unpleasant surprises.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Thumb & Finger Ailerons
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <kinnepix@earthlink.net>
Ellery
Your post is a very welcome change from most of the Kolb letters --
your comments are right on, sensible & straightforward. What I read
from some others scares me!
Best, Russ Kinne
On Mar 4, 2005, at 6:51 PM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
>
> I am a welder and a machinist self employed and I have purchased a set
> of
> main gear legs when I first purchased My FS previous owner already
> beat me to the
> bending part, and I thought the price was cheap I wouldn't use my time
> to
> make them my self and I haven't needed another set yet knock on wood
> maybe, but
> maybe there are some people on here that just need to learn how to
> land, add
> vortex generators, do what it takes to make your landings as smooth as
> possible
> your not flying a hammer to beat the rocks into your runway, there are
> rollers
> to do that for you.
> Take it easy on your plane your life is in it, and support the TNK
>
> Ellery Batchelder Jr
> Maine Original Firestar
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Firefly Cross Wind Capability |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> It will handle direct gusty cross wind
> landings of 20 mph and steady cross winds of 25 mph before running out of
> rudder while slipping to keep it on the runway center. > Jack B. Hart
> FF004
Morning Jack B/Gang:
During the last 20+ years flying Kolb aircraft, I have been very fortunate
to have the opportunity to fly most of the Kolb models, including the FF. I
have been flying it at Sun and Fun and Oshkosh for the last 7 years. The
ultralight airstrip at Lakeland, in particular, is a very difficult place to
land and take off primarily because of the wind out of the south or north.
This is a direct cross wind to the 09/27 strip. The FF's I have been flying
have all had the shorter chord ailerons. If you have been to Lakeland
during S&F you know how active the wind is. At15 mph it seems to be
screaming as it tumbles along through open pastures and then over trees and
hedge rows, one paralleling the strip. Add constant take offs and landings
and one has a very challenging environment to fly. On occassion, the FF has
run out of aileron, i.e., the stick has hit the stop.
On my cross country flights I have often encountered winds 90 degrees to the
runway in 25 mph and above. At this velocity the rudder does not have the
authority to keep the aircraft aligned with the runway. When this happens I
find a spot to land into the wind or find another airport. Of course, I do
not have vortex generators, so that may be the reason I can't overcome 25
mph cross winds.
I am amazed at the capabilities of your FF based on the modifications you
have made to it. I would like to fly out to your airport and see if you can
give me some pointers on how to modify my MKIII to perform as well in cross
winds as your FF. Keep up the good work. Before long all of us will be
landing in 20 mph gusty and 25 mph steady cross winds.
john h
PS: That is a lot of wind.
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| Subject: | Kolb Landing Gear or Poor Pilot Technique |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
All this discussion on Kolb inferior landing gear has gotten my attention.
If this is true, TNK must get a couple 18 wheeler loads of gear legs
delivered to the factory per day. I bet Travis has hired a new dedicated
Gear Leg Supply Specialist to get the legs out to the customers.
I don't know of any UL, experimental, or GA aircraft that is designed to be
beat to death and mishandled. Some are built stronger than others depending
on their intended use. Take a quick look through the FAA Preliminary
Accident Reports and the NTSB accident summaries. You may be surprised to
find at least half the accidents are failed landing gear caused by bad
landings. The other half are engine failures. Don't hold me to task on the
percentages. A very general estimate on my part.
Admit it Kolb pilots. Landing gear failures on Kolb aircraft are caused by
improper landing techiniques. A lot of us are screwing up the landings and
blaming it on the gear. I read what a great pilot some of you low time Kolb
pilots are in other aircraft, but have trouble putting a little Kolb
airplane on the ground without breaking it. Sounds like poor technique to
me. Real airplane manufacturers don't require their aircraft to survive a
10 ft drop test, yet some of us Kolb test pilots think Kolb landing gear
should stand up to this kind of abuse. Admit it Kolb pilots. We screwed up
the landing.
TNK is not responsible for the way you land your Kolb!
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Cross Wind Capability |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 09:08 AM 3/5/05 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
>I am amazed at the capabilities of your FF based on the modifications you
>have made to it. I would like to fly out to your airport and see if you can
>give me some pointers on how to modify my MKIII to perform as well in cross
>winds as your FF. Keep up the good work. Before long all of us will be
>landing in 20 mph gusty and 25 mph steady cross winds.
>
>john h
>
>PS: That is a lot of wind.
>
FireFlyers & Kolbers,
K02 (Perryville, Missouri) is where my FireFly will reside until about mid
May. Then its new home will be PLD (Portland, Indiana). Anyone who wishes
to see it is welcome to come and look at it. If we can get the hangar doors
open, I will demo it for you. Send me an off list email so we can schedule
a time to get together.
It is easy to learn how to make and practice cross wind landing techniques.
On a day with the wind straight down the runway, take off and climb to
altitude. Then start to fly 90 degrees to the cross wind using a section
line, road or fence as a runway guide. Use the rudder to maintain a heading
parallel to the runway guide and use the ailerons to slip left or right to
stay over the center line. Start out doing this at cruise speed, and then
reduce power to fly slower and slower. At some point you will not be able
to stay over the center line due to insufficient aileron or rudder. This
illustrates why it is important to keep up your speed during cross wind
landings. Then using an airport that has a cross wind runway, fly the
runway but do not land. This gives you good practice. Start out with lower
cross winds and work your way up. It will take some time, but it will give
you confidence that if you take a trip during the day and the wind shifts
you can make a safe landing upon return.
K02 is located in the Mississippi River bottoms with a 02/20 runway. Winds
out of the west form rotors as they pass over the bluff and come down in the
bottom land. Also the hangars are west of the runway. I use a narrow 1000'
taxiway that is parallel to the runway and closer to the hangars as a
runway. I can be quite active with the stick getting down until I get into
ground effect. Then much of the business goes away after the flare.
To compare my FireFly with the TNK FireFly is a bit of a stretch. With full
enclosure, large wheels and brakes plus a chute and much more paint, it must
weigh at least twenty pounds more than mine. No way will they perform the
same.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Curtin" <jcurtin@cableone.net>
Hello Jack,
I tried to send you an email but got your auto response. The link you attach
to your auto response would not let me fill out the form neccessary. Would
you please look at the email and respond, Thanks. Jerry
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack & Louise Hart" <jbhart@ldd.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing Gear Legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
> At 07:24 PM 3/4/05 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >After wiping the origional gear out on the US caused by side loads, I
built
> >a new set of gear using .120" wall 4130 and so far, I've put some pretty
> >heavy loads on it and no problems. The original gear legs were .035".
> >
>
> Dale,
>
> With 15 inch chord ailerons, the original FireFly was difficult to fly in
> the middle of the day and cross wind landings were almost impossible. I
> changed to nine inch chord ailerons, and modified the aileron control
> linkages so that stick loads became very light. All play was removed from
> the system. These changes let me stay ahead of the FireFly in gusty cross
> winds. Currently, it is a delight to make cross wind take off and
landings
> and to fly in the middle of the day. All that is required to side slip or
> to keep the wings level is gentle pressure on the stick. These
> modifications help the FireFly to respond just like a regular aircraft.
But
> due to low gross weight you have to be a little quicker in responding.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Jackson, MO
>
>
> Jack & Louise Hart
> jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Gear main spar,prop :( |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 2/26/2005 5:21:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mmatuszczak@cfl.rr.com writes:
The gear leg did go up into the socket about 5".
I think it should go up about 10" or so. The gear legs Kolb supplies now are
the proper length.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
I believe this is new saw it on google.
Steve
Estate Sale
Kolb Ultrastar with JLO/Cuyuna engine W/trailer needs work. No history
on this or the following : collection of MX parts probably equal to two
MX's some parts missing or damaged ,one instrument pod, two spare JLO?
Engines one MX cowling. buyer take all. Call 301-831-9004 for inspection
and make offer.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 3/1/2005 7:37:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dsel1@bellsouth.net writes:
I was under the impression that spats on an airplane are those things used
on aerobatic planes that are attached to the outer ends on the ailerons and
hang down.
Spades.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Don/All,
Here Here, well said Don.
I think TNK offer an extremely good service and parts etc at a very good
price.
We all think just because we can buy the material cheaper than a finished
item purchased over the counter we must be saveing money, how much money do
you earn per hour?, how many hours do you spend making you own parts, bet it
is cheaper to buy them after all eh.
I for one like to support the company that give us the planes we all so much
love to fly.
By the way flew the new Jabiru powered Xtra today for the first time, what a
beast. At 2000 rpm 50 kt, 2500 rpm 75 kt, 2650 rpm 83 kt full power 97 Kt.
Climb solo @1200 fpm 50 kt. I have got a slightly too coarse prop at the
moment so with the correct prop I hope to get 1500 fpm solo but will get a
slower cruise speed, probably 75kt at 2700-2800 rpm. Have had no cooling
problems.
Only problem is I need to hold quite a bit of right rudder to keep straight
at higher power settings, guess I will offset the thrust line a bit to
compensate (don't like trim tabs). Any suggestions from you guys who have
experience with this engine option would be helpful.
Mike
G-CDFA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing Gear Legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> HI must agree with Steve here men,
> Not that I dont do an awful lot myself , sometimes to save money, and
> sometimes just cause "I wanna do it myself"....BUt to adress Kolbs prices.
> Sometimes they might seem high...but not really that bad men...I have
> bought
> a set of legs from them...and when ya get right down to it...they are not
> really that high. 100 bucks for what?..well..2 pieces of aluminum that
> cost
> like heck anywhere you buy it new...then try standing in front of your
> lathe
> and turning that taper down on them..cant do it in an hour. now consider
> paying a machinist to stand next to you and your lathe while ya do it...20
> bucks an hour maybe?...maybe 25...? nope. Now add a little dab of profit
> for them so they can keep the company alive and be there the next time we
> want something from them. So there can be somebody there to answer the
> phone
> when we need a question answered. I for one have called them and asked
> plenty of questions...and I dont ever recall getting an invoice for that
> time spent with me, but I surely hope that Donny or Travis or who ever
> answered was getting a paycheck that day..I would hate to have to come to
> work for Free! Those fellas are not retired!!!!!
>
> Don Gherardini
> OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
> American Honda Engines
> Power Equipment Company
> CortLand, Illinois
> 800-626-7326
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Landing Gear or Poor Pilot Technique |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
John,
I Think you hit the nail on the head about most of the problem being poor
piloting, people normally blame their mistakes on everything other than them
selves.
Note that the MkIII and the Xtra have been certified to the highest
standards in the world, BCAR section S, in part of this testing the aircraft
is loaded to 1000 lbs and dropped vertically from a height of 3.5 feet. The
landing gear stood up to that.
An aircraft has to be good to meet BCAR section S load and flight tests.
Mike
G-CDFA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Landing Gear or Poor Pilot Technique
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Morning Gang:
>
> All this discussion on Kolb inferior landing gear has gotten my attention.
> If this is true, TNK must get a couple 18 wheeler loads of gear legs
> delivered to the factory per day. I bet Travis has hired a new dedicated
> Gear Leg Supply Specialist to get the legs out to the customers.
>
> I don't know of any UL, experimental, or GA aircraft that is designed to
> be
> beat to death and mishandled. Some are built stronger than others
> depending
> on their intended use. Take a quick look through the FAA Preliminary
> Accident Reports and the NTSB accident summaries. You may be surprised to
> find at least half the accidents are failed landing gear caused by bad
> landings. The other half are engine failures. Don't hold me to task on
> the
> percentages. A very general estimate on my part.
>
> Admit it Kolb pilots. Landing gear failures on Kolb aircraft are caused
> by
> improper landing techiniques. A lot of us are screwing up the landings
> and
> blaming it on the gear. I read what a great pilot some of you low time
> Kolb
> pilots are in other aircraft, but have trouble putting a little Kolb
> airplane on the ground without breaking it. Sounds like poor technique to
> me. Real airplane manufacturers don't require their aircraft to survive a
> 10 ft drop test, yet some of us Kolb test pilots think Kolb landing gear
> should stand up to this kind of abuse. Admit it Kolb pilots. We screwed
> up
> the landing.
>
> TNK is not responsible for the way you land your Kolb!
>
> john h
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> By the way flew the new Jabiru powered Xtra today for the first time,
> what a
> beast.
>
>
Mike, you must be a happy builder. A big congrats, that plane is
sure to turn heads this summer wherever you go.
-BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Mike have you posted any pics of the Xtra with the Jabiru sounds great would
like to see it :o)
Maine,Ellery Batchelder
Original Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Cross Wind Capability |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
With full
| enclosure, large wheels and brakes plus a chute and much more paint,
it must
| weigh at least twenty pounds more than mine. No way will they
perform the
| same.
|
| Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack B/Gents/Ladies/Gang:
You haven't been paying attention to TNK FF's. None that I have flown
have parachutes. All have had those tiny wheels and tires. They do
have mechanical brakes and full windscreen and lots of paint. Have no
idea what they weigh.
This afternoon we had a beautiful day, 70F, CAVU, and winds steady at
15 gusting to 25 mph. I was outside working on my brand new 1944 Case
SC tractor all afternoon. Whitecaps on the lake and the tops of the
trees blowing around like crazy. I could just see old Jack B flitting
around the sky in these conditions, then topping it off with a direct
cross wind landing. That would, indeed, make my day. Matter of fact,
don't believe I saw an airplane in the air all afternoon.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Another Sensitive Reader |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
John,
It must be nice to know everything about everything. It seems that
your main goal on the Kolb list is to put down as many as you can.
Just from what I've read from you on the list, I hope I never have the
misopportunity to meet you in person.
Dale Sellers
GA UltraStar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
straight
| at higher power settings, guess I will offset the thrust line a bit
to
| compensate (don't like trim tabs). Any suggestions from you guys who
have
| experience with this engine option would be helpful.
|
| Mike
Hi Mike/All:
Most of us have been through the adverse yaw problem with the MKIII.
I tried offsetting thrust line, offsetting leading edge of the upper
vertical stabilizer, in addition to a rudder trim tab that was only
half as large as it should have been. In the end, I now have the
engine thrust line straight ahead, upper vertical stabilizer leading
edge is straight, and I increased the size of the rudder trim tab by
two. It is two rib bays tall and I can't remember the other
dimensions. Popped the trim tab the rudder ribs with large head
aluminum fabric rivets. Now, the ball is centered without pedal
pressure. Flew many hours a half ball out. Don't think the MKIII
cared one way or the other, whether she was in trim or out.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
I would like to appologize to everyone on the list for Mr. Hauck's decision to
forward my private comments to him to the list. I tried to keep it between him
and me...off list. It was his choice to make it public.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy" <jhankin@planters.net>
Those of you that are a member of the EAA, will someone try to access their
web site, I need some information on local chapters in Georgia, but cannot
access their web site www.eaa.org/
I need to know if I have a computer problem or they have a problem.
Thanks for any help.
Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Firefly 035
JYL (Sylvania)
Pegasus Field (Home)
2000 Feet X 100 Feet- Grass
Rocky Ford, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax prices |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
At 02:23 PM 3/4/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
><snip>
>If you want to pick at cost, go after Rotax. Their gasket prices are
>ridiculous not to mention the other engine parts.
>jerb
<snip>
If you want to cut corners, then the gaskets for the snowmobiles and jet
skis (imo) are the same as the u/l motors, however the part #'s are not.
They add three #'s as a prefix, all the following #'s are the same.
Likewise with the wrist pins and some other parts. I would be careful as to
what I substituted, but some parts I am comfortable substituting. These are
experimental aircraft and engines, so it is your call.
I normally buy gaskets at my local Yamaha/Skidoo dealer and have never had
a problem.
Feeling brave?
Check out
http://216.37.204.206/xtremepowersports/Seadoo_OEM/Seadoo_PWC.asp?Type=13&A=
9&B=2
Getting ready to go to 1st or 2nd oversize?
This piston with rings is 1/3 the cost of a piston plus rings from Rotax
for a 582.
Do you really think Bombardier uses different circlips for their
snowmobiles or jet skis than they do in our aircraft (!) engines? Or wrist
pin bearings?
As Dirty Harry said, "Feeling lucky?"
Food for thought.
Will I use non-U/L parts it at my next rebuild? Absolutely.
Or else a Wiseco set of pistons and punch my 583 out to 600 cc and pick up
two more horsepower, plus a welded crank for $275 bucks instead of $1200.
A genuine Rotax aircraft rebuilder dealer would call it heresy.
Maybe. But that's what I plan to do, I'll let you know it it works....Or
if it doesn't.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: bryan green <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I tried and it does not work they may be working on the site.
Bryan Green
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Jimmy wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy" <jhankin@planters.net>
>
>Those of you that are a member of the EAA, will someone try to access their
>web site, I need some information on local chapters in Georgia, but cannot
>access their web site www.eaa.org/
>I need to know if I have a computer problem or they have a problem.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Jimmy Hankinson
>912-863-7384
>Firefly 035
>JYL (Sylvania)
>Pegasus Field (Home)
>2000 Feet X 100 Feet- Grass
>Rocky Ford, Georgia
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gear legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
There was an article in EAA's Experimenter magazine (may have been with
it's former title, can't remember) that had an article of using
unidirectional glass for a one piece Ultrastar landing gear replacement,
looked like a single piece spring aluminum style, complete with several
pictures and how-to's. I used it as a basis to fabricate a tailwheel spring
for my Hummer, so the article ought to have been in the middle or late
80's. No longer have any of those, so maybe some one will dig back and come
up with the article date?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 12:51 PM 3/4/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>
>Dale,
> As one fighting cancer now ( 2 melanomas) I applaud your
> attitude. Hang in there. I too have an UltraStar, my second one. Now to
> the Kolb deficiencies. Basically they are using Homers design. However,
> New Kolb obviously haven't done sufficient, up to date engineering on
> gear legs and some other points. No excuses should be made. Reading the
> posts here for a year or so indicate that for the weight of the new
> planes, they are not capable of handling the loads that the AVERAGE pilot
> with perhaps low time and experience place on them. If they require
> delicate handling and near perfect landing techniques for every landing,
> the advertisements should state that certain models are not recommended
> for beginners and low time pilots.
> It doesn't matter how much the plane weighs, it is possible to
> design gear and cage and attach points that will absorb safely ANY
> average hard landings. There are dozens of homebuilt designs out there
> that never have landing gear failures under the most severe
> circumstances. There is no excuse for the New Kolbs to be different when
> proper R&D development could overcome that. Others have done it.
> These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft and there was a time when all of
> us in the sport felt that if it didn't work, find a way to make it work.
> We shouldn't feel ashamed to pitch in and find the solutions for such
> problems ourselves if the kit builders don't That's the spirit of EAA.
> Find back issues of EAA magazines during the 50's - 70's and see what
> homebuilding was and should be about. And don't feel you shouldn't
> criticize a kit supplier if parts are not right just because they are
> "nice guys". Some of the kit failures of past years, long gone, were sold by
>"nice guys" who didn't know what they were doing and didn't hire people
>who did.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Jimmy'
It must be them. I couldn't get it to open either.
DS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy" <jhankin@planters.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Eaa
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy" <jhankin@planters.net>
>
> Those of you that are a member of the EAA, will someone try to access
> their
> web site, I need some information on local chapters in Georgia, but cannot
> access their web site www.eaa.org/
> I need to know if I have a computer problem or they have a problem.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Jimmy Hankinson
> 912-863-7384
> Firefly 035
> JYL (Sylvania)
> Pegasus Field (Home)
> 2000 Feet X 100 Feet- Grass
> Rocky Ford, Georgia
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gear legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
That would be great Richard,
I would love to read that.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb gear legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> There was an article in EAA's Experimenter magazine (may have been with
> it's former title, can't remember) that had an article of using
> unidirectional glass for a one piece Ultrastar landing gear replacement,
> looked like a single piece spring aluminum style, complete with several
> pictures and how-to's. I used it as a basis to fabricate a tailwheel
> spring
> for my Hummer, so the article ought to have been in the middle or late
> 80's. No longer have any of those, so maybe some one will dig back and
> come
> up with the article date?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
> At 12:51 PM 3/4/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Dale,
>> As one fighting cancer now ( 2 melanomas) I applaud your
>> attitude. Hang in there. I too have an UltraStar, my second one. Now to
>> the Kolb deficiencies. Basically they are using Homers design. However,
>> New Kolb obviously haven't done sufficient, up to date engineering on
>> gear legs and some other points. No excuses should be made. Reading the
>> posts here for a year or so indicate that for the weight of the new
>> planes, they are not capable of handling the loads that the AVERAGE pilot
>> with perhaps low time and experience place on them. If they require
>> delicate handling and near perfect landing techniques for every landing,
>> the advertisements should state that certain models are not recommended
>> for beginners and low time pilots.
>> It doesn't matter how much the plane weighs, it is possible to
>> design gear and cage and attach points that will absorb safely ANY
>> average hard landings. There are dozens of homebuilt designs out there
>> that never have landing gear failures under the most severe
>> circumstances. There is no excuse for the New Kolbs to be different when
>> proper R&D development could overcome that. Others have done it.
>> These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft and there was a time when all of
>> us in the sport felt that if it didn't work, find a way to make it work.
>> We shouldn't feel ashamed to pitch in and find the solutions for such
>> problems ourselves if the kit builders don't That's the spirit of EAA.
>> Find back issues of EAA magazines during the 50's - 70's and see what
>> homebuilding was and should be about. And don't feel you shouldn't
>> criticize a kit supplier if parts are not right just because they are
>> "nice guys". Some of the kit failures of past years, long gone, were sold
>> by
>>"nice guys" who didn't know what they were doing and didn't hire people
>>who did.
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Some one send it to me and I will scan it and put it on my server.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Sellers
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb gear legs
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
That would be great Richard,
I would love to read that.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb gear legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> There was an article in EAA's Experimenter magazine (may have been
with
> it's former title, can't remember) that had an article of using
> unidirectional glass for a one piece Ultrastar landing gear
replacement,
> looked like a single piece spring aluminum style, complete with
several
> pictures and how-to's. I used it as a basis to fabricate a tailwheel
> spring
> for my Hummer, so the article ought to have been in the middle or late
> 80's. No longer have any of those, so maybe some one will dig back and
> come
> up with the article date?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
> At 12:51 PM 3/4/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Dale,
>> As one fighting cancer now ( 2 melanomas) I applaud your
>> attitude. Hang in there. I too have an UltraStar, my second one. Now
to
>> the Kolb deficiencies. Basically they are using Homers design.
However,
>> New Kolb obviously haven't done sufficient, up to date engineering on
>> gear legs and some other points. No excuses should be made. Reading
the
>> posts here for a year or so indicate that for the weight of the new
>> planes, they are not capable of handling the loads that the AVERAGE
pilot
>> with perhaps low time and experience place on them. If they require
>> delicate handling and near perfect landing techniques for every
landing,
>> the advertisements should state that certain models are not
recommended
>> for beginners and low time pilots.
>> It doesn't matter how much the plane weighs, it is possible to
>> design gear and cage and attach points that will absorb safely ANY
>> average hard landings. There are dozens of homebuilt designs out
there
>> that never have landing gear failures under the most severe
>> circumstances. There is no excuse for the New Kolbs to be different
when
>> proper R&D development could overcome that. Others have done it.
>> These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft and there was a time when all
of
>> us in the sport felt that if it didn't work, find a way to make it
work.
>> We shouldn't feel ashamed to pitch in and find the solutions for such
>> problems ourselves if the kit builders don't That's the spirit of
EAA.
>> Find back issues of EAA magazines during the 50's - 70's and see what
>> homebuilding was and should be about. And don't feel you shouldn't
>> criticize a kit supplier if parts are not right just because they are
>> "nice guys". Some of the kit failures of past years, long gone, were
sold
>> by
>>"nice guys" who didn't know what they were doing and didn't hire
people
>>who did.
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Steve,
I'll check on getting those plans copied Monday and let you know. I have a
friend who teaches Drafting. Maybe he can help.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb gear legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
>
> Some one send it to me and I will scan it and put it on my server.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Sellers
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb gear legs
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> That would be great Richard,
>
> I would love to read that.
>
> Dale Sellers
> Georgia UltraStar
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb gear legs
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>>
>> There was an article in EAA's Experimenter magazine (may have been
> with
>> it's former title, can't remember) that had an article of using
>> unidirectional glass for a one piece Ultrastar landing gear
> replacement,
>> looked like a single piece spring aluminum style, complete with
> several
>> pictures and how-to's. I used it as a basis to fabricate a tailwheel
>> spring
>> for my Hummer, so the article ought to have been in the middle or late
>> 80's. No longer have any of those, so maybe some one will dig back and
>
>> come
>> up with the article date?
>>
>> Richard Pike
>> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> At 12:51 PM 3/4/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Dale,
>>> As one fighting cancer now ( 2 melanomas) I applaud your
>>> attitude. Hang in there. I too have an UltraStar, my second one. Now
> to
>>> the Kolb deficiencies. Basically they are using Homers design.
> However,
>>> New Kolb obviously haven't done sufficient, up to date engineering on
>>> gear legs and some other points. No excuses should be made. Reading
> the
>>> posts here for a year or so indicate that for the weight of the new
>>> planes, they are not capable of handling the loads that the AVERAGE
> pilot
>>> with perhaps low time and experience place on them. If they require
>>> delicate handling and near perfect landing techniques for every
> landing,
>>> the advertisements should state that certain models are not
> recommended
>>> for beginners and low time pilots.
>>> It doesn't matter how much the plane weighs, it is possible to
>>> design gear and cage and attach points that will absorb safely ANY
>>> average hard landings. There are dozens of homebuilt designs out
> there
>>> that never have landing gear failures under the most severe
>>> circumstances. There is no excuse for the New Kolbs to be different
> when
>>> proper R&D development could overcome that. Others have done it.
>>> These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft and there was a time when all
> of
>>> us in the sport felt that if it didn't work, find a way to make it
> work.
>>> We shouldn't feel ashamed to pitch in and find the solutions for such
>>> problems ourselves if the kit builders don't That's the spirit of
> EAA.
>>> Find back issues of EAA magazines during the 50's - 70's and see what
>>> homebuilding was and should be about. And don't feel you shouldn't
>>> criticize a kit supplier if parts are not right just because they are
>>> "nice guys". Some of the kit failures of past years, long gone, were
> sold
>>> by
>>>"nice guys" who didn't know what they were doing and didn't hire
> people
>>>who did.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> With the propensity of lawsuits these days I would think they would
welcome
> advise on how to improve their product.>>
>
I bet Kolb gets a hundred ideas a year on how to improve their
product. Some may be owners wishfull thinking other ideas may have been
tried. The original design has proven itself. If you want to make changes go
for it. I did. Saying there is a problem with the landing gear is like
saying there is a problem with fenders on my ex wifes car. They keep getting
bent. Not her fault of course, it just happens. Maybe Ford should make them
out of 1/4" steel.
----- Original Message -----
From: <HShack@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spats...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/1/2005 7:37:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> dsel1@bellsouth.net writes:
> I was under the impression that spats on an airplane are those things used
> on aerobatic planes that are attached to the outer ends on the ailerons
and
> hang down.
>
> Spades.
>
> Howard Shackleford
> FS II
> SC
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Jimmy I am having no responce here in Maine also
mabe there having computer problems
Ellery
Do Not Archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Dale & All,
I remember that article as I was researching how to improve the
UltraStar's spindly & rigid gear. I don't have the article, but as I
remember, it was way too heavy. ...Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Sellers
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb gear legs
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
That would be great Richard,
I would love to read that.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb gear legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> There was an article in EAA's Experimenter magazine (may have been with
> it's former title, can't remember) that had an article of using
> unidirectional glass for a one piece Ultrastar landing gear replacement,
> looked like a single piece spring aluminum style, complete with several
> pictures and how-to's. I used it as a basis to fabricate a tailwheel
> spring
> for my Hummer, so the article ought to have been in the middle or late
> 80's. No longer have any of those, so maybe some one will dig back and
> come
> up with the article date?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> do not archive
>
> At 12:51 PM 3/4/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Dale,
>> As one fighting cancer now ( 2 melanomas) I applaud your
>> attitude. Hang in there. I too have an UltraStar, my second one. Now to
>> the Kolb deficiencies. Basically they are using Homers design. However,
>> New Kolb obviously haven't done sufficient, up to date engineering on
>> gear legs and some other points. No excuses should be made. Reading the
>> posts here for a year or so indicate that for the weight of the new
>> planes, they are not capable of handling the loads that the AVERAGE pilot
>> with perhaps low time and experience place on them. If they require
>> delicate handling and near perfect landing techniques for every landing,
>> the advertisements should state that certain models are not recommended
>> for beginners and low time pilots.
>> It doesn't matter how much the plane weighs, it is possible to
>> design gear and cage and attach points that will absorb safely ANY
>> average hard landings. There are dozens of homebuilt designs out there
>> that never have landing gear failures under the most severe
>> circumstances. There is no excuse for the New Kolbs to be different when
>> proper R&D development could overcome that. Others have done it.
>> These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft and there was a time when all of
>> us in the sport felt that if it didn't work, find a way to make it work.
>> We shouldn't feel ashamed to pitch in and find the solutions for such
>> problems ourselves if the kit builders don't That's the spirit of EAA.
>> Find back issues of EAA magazines during the 50's - 70's and see what
>> homebuilding was and should be about. And don't feel you shouldn't
>> criticize a kit supplier if parts are not right just because they are
>> "nice guys". Some of the kit failures of past years, long gone, were sold
>> by
>>"nice guys" who didn't know what they were doing and didn't hire people
>>who did.
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Richard,
You're probably right. I would like to try a set of 1/2" spring aluminum
gear as used to be used on the Sonerai but they don't use it anymore. Now
they use 5/8" which would probably be too heavy.
DS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Swiderwski" <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb gear legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderwski"
> <rswiderski@earthlink.net>
>
> Dale & All,
>
> I remember that article as I was researching how to improve the
> UltraStar's spindly & rigid gear. I don't have the article, but as I
> remember, it was way too heavy. ...Richard Swiderski
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Sellers
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb gear legs
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> That would be great Richard,
>
> I would love to read that.
>
> Dale Sellers
> Georgia UltraStar
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb gear legs
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>>
>> There was an article in EAA's Experimenter magazine (may have been with
>> it's former title, can't remember) that had an article of using
>> unidirectional glass for a one piece Ultrastar landing gear replacement,
>> looked like a single piece spring aluminum style, complete with several
>> pictures and how-to's. I used it as a basis to fabricate a tailwheel
>> spring
>> for my Hummer, so the article ought to have been in the middle or late
>> 80's. No longer have any of those, so maybe some one will dig back and
>> come
>> up with the article date?
>>
>> Richard Pike
>> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> At 12:51 PM 3/4/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ray anderson <rsanoa@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Dale,
>>> As one fighting cancer now ( 2 melanomas) I applaud your
>>> attitude. Hang in there. I too have an UltraStar, my second one. Now to
>>> the Kolb deficiencies. Basically they are using Homers design. However,
>>> New Kolb obviously haven't done sufficient, up to date engineering on
>>> gear legs and some other points. No excuses should be made. Reading the
>>> posts here for a year or so indicate that for the weight of the new
>>> planes, they are not capable of handling the loads that the AVERAGE
>>> pilot
>>> with perhaps low time and experience place on them. If they require
>>> delicate handling and near perfect landing techniques for every landing,
>>> the advertisements should state that certain models are not recommended
>>> for beginners and low time pilots.
>>> It doesn't matter how much the plane weighs, it is possible to
>>> design gear and cage and attach points that will absorb safely ANY
>>> average hard landings. There are dozens of homebuilt designs out there
>>> that never have landing gear failures under the most severe
>>> circumstances. There is no excuse for the New Kolbs to be different when
>>> proper R&D development could overcome that. Others have done it.
>>> These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft and there was a time when all of
>>> us in the sport felt that if it didn't work, find a way to make it work.
>>> We shouldn't feel ashamed to pitch in and find the solutions for such
>>> problems ourselves if the kit builders don't That's the spirit of EAA.
>>> Find back issues of EAA magazines during the 50's - 70's and see what
>>> homebuilding was and should be about. And don't feel you shouldn't
>>> criticize a kit supplier if parts are not right just because they are
>>> "nice guys". Some of the kit failures of past years, long gone, were
>>> sold
>
>>> by
>>>"nice guys" who didn't know what they were doing and didn't hire people
>>>who did.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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