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1. 05:23 AM - Landing Gear Legs (Rex Rodebush)
2. 05:37 AM - FW: Landing Gear Legs (Rex Rodebush)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: FW: Landing Gear Legs (John Hauck)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: FW: Landing Gear Legs (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: FW: Landing Gear Legs (John Hauck)
6. 08:26 AM - Gear legs (ghaley@wt.net)
7. 08:47 AM - Re: FW: Landing Gear Legs (robert bean)
8. 10:14 AM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (Don Gherardini)
9. 10:38 AM - This time of year (John Jung)
10. 10:56 AM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (rap@isp.com)
11. 01:21 PM - Balancer Masters (terry)
12. 01:30 PM - Fathers Day Fly-in (terry)
13. 01:46 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (terry)
14. 02:17 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
15. 02:17 PM - Re: Landing Gear Legs (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
16. 02:39 PM - kolb friends (b young)
17. 02:42 PM - Re: Balancer Masters (Steve Garvelink)
18. 05:00 PM - Re: Fathers Day Fly-in (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
19. 06:14 PM - Re: Balancer Masters (woody)
20. 06:54 PM - Re: Balancer Masters (Denny Rowe)
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| Subject: | Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
I also ordered and just received the new steel gears from TNK for my
Mark III X-tra. I was planning to modify the cage and add steel gear
similar to what John Hauck had done. However, I talked to Norm at TNK
fly-in and he seemed happy with the new design. I have tundra tires and
he thought that would be a nice setup.
I guess the jury is still out on the long term success of this new gear.
The nice thing is that the cage requires no modifications. Anyway, I
decided to spend the money and take a chance. If you want to see how
the gear looks check the photo gallery section under the Mark III at
TNK's web site. It sets up higher and "appears" to be slightly more
forward but I can't be sure.
Rex Rodebush
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| Subject: | FW: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush@tema.net>
I forgot to mention......I plan to sleeve and extend the gear legs if
required to make sure they go all the way up into the sockets to spread
the load.
Rex Rodebush
From: Rex Rodebush
Subject: Landing Gear Legs
I also ordered and just received the new steel gears from TNK for my
Mark III X-tra. I was planning to modify the cage and add steel gear
similar to what John Hauck had done. However, I talked to Norm at TNK
fly-in and he seemed happy with the new design. I have tundra tires and
he thought that would be a nice setup.
I guess the jury is still out on the long term success of this new gear.
The nice thing is that the cage requires no modifications. Anyway, I
decided to spend the money and take a chance. If you want to see how
the gear looks check the photo gallery section under the Mark III at
TNK's web site. It sets up higher and "appears" to be slightly more
forward but I can't be sure.
Rex Rodebush
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| I forgot to mention......I plan to sleeve and extend the gear legs
if
| required to make sure they go all the way up into the sockets to
spread
| the load.
|
| Rex Rodebush
Rex/Gang:
Good idea.
I learned the hard way. My original steel gear were placed in the
same position inside the socket per plans and instructions. The end
result, after landing at 10 feet in a weed patch with engine out on
Grand Island, NY, in 1988, resulted in sheared gear leg socket at the
end of the leg, which, in turn, tore out the tube cluster around the
base of the socket.
Good luck with your new gear.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Landing Gear Legs |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
The end
result, after landing at 10 feet in a weed patch with engine out on
Grand Island, NY, in 1988, resulted in sheared gear leg socket at the
end of the leg, which, in turn, tore out the tube cluster around the
base of the socket.
Hey Captain John, I really stirred up the List when I wrote that I "Hard
landed my Firestar" didn't I! Anyway how did you go about rebuilding the
tube cluster? I have replaced the main 1-1/4" tube and I am now at the
point of replace all the smaller connecting tubes. Do I just splice in
tubes at the socket or go all the way back to the previous junction
point?
The Flying Farmer............opps, I mean the repairing landing gear
Farmer
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| tube cluster? |
| The Flying Farmer............opps, I mean the repairing landing gear
| Farmer
Morning Dwight:
I have no expertise in that area, other than being a "go'fer" for Bro
Jim. He is the Kolb airframe expert in the family. He got enough
experience on the Ultrastar cage to move right into rebuilds on the FS
cage.
Bro Jim secured the cage to a rafter in the shop by the main spar
carry through tube. This was his base or starting point. In order to
insure the cage would come out true, so that wings and landing gear
would fit like it was supposed to, he had to have this start point
which was leveled and squared up.
From there he went about cutting and replacing tubes in the order the
fuselage was fabricated originally.
Wish I could be more help, but this job fell on Bro Jim's shoulders
and not my own. I am responsible for breaking. Jim for rebuilding.
Thank goodness I haven't broken one in 4.5 years. Well, last time he
only had to rebuild the left main gear mounting structure and new gear
legs with axle sockets. ;-)
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ghaley@wt.net
John J,
I used Mr Haucks idea as well and have been very happy with
the gear legs.
I took the axel fittings from the old alum gear legs and had
them welded to the new tubular legs. The only thing is my
Mark III was in rehab with no fabric so I loaded it up on a
trailer and took it to the weld shop. The welder ran a tube
through the fittings while in place to get the alignment and
then welded them while on the AC. I did not put enough
camber in them so the wheels angled out a little, I have now
used another JH procedure and bent them down with a short
piece of water pipe...looks good and flys good.
Gary Haley, Kolb Mark IIIc 912ULS
Dry Creek Airport, Cypress, TX (NW Houston)
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Hey walking farmer :), usually those little tubes will break at the
weld so unless they are really mangled just whack 'em back
to where they were originally and reweld them to the socket.
-with caution you don't put too much weld INSIDE the socket.
On my MkIII even the lift strut carry-through tube at the bottom
broke at the center....right at a brace weld.
In this case I made a fishmouth splice with larger diameter tube
because that is a fairly important (tension) structural part.
If one side of the cage is bent and the other is straight, pretty
simple to make both sides symetrical. If gas welding make
all attach points tight, tack weld and then complete.
Joints have a tendency to shrink a bit.
-BB, old gas welder
On 7, Mar 2005, at 9:38 AM, Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com
>
> The end
> result, after landing at 10 feet in a weed patch with engine out on
> Grand Island, NY, in 1988, resulted in sheared gear leg socket at the
> end of the leg, which, in turn, tore out the tube cluster around the
> base of the socket.
>
> Hey Captain John, I really stirred up the List when I wrote that I
> "Hard
> landed my Firestar" didn't I! Anyway how did you go about rebuilding
> the
> tube cluster? I have replaced the main 1-1/4" tube and I am now at the
> point of replace all the smaller connecting tubes. Do I just splice in
> tubes at the socket or go all the way back to the previous junction
> point?
>
> The Flying Farmer............opps, I mean the repairing landing gear
> Farmer
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Rick...
You mention steel gear on all the new kolbs...does this include the FireFly?
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | This time of year |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
Group,
This is the time of year that we are more likely to
feel criticized and take offense to things written on
the list. The cure is springtime, and it is coming.
But in the meantime, I suggest that we all try to cut
each other some slack.
John Jung
__________________________________
http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: rap@isp.com
All I KNow for sure is the Mark 3 Classic. When I bought my fusalage they
asked me if I wanted the new gear legs. They were back ordered for two or
three months. They have a bend in them and stand alot higher than the
std.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Rick...
> You mention steel gear on all the new kolbs...does this include the
> FireFly?
>
> Don Gherardini
> OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
> American Honda Engines
> Power Equipment Company
> CortLand, Illinois
> 800-626-7326
>
>
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| Subject: | Balancer Masters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
I just finished remounting my wood Tennessee prop after checking the balance again.
Of
course it was still dead on, but not being able to fly a fellow has to do something.
Also I wanted to make sure my cutting the prop tips to eliminate noise hadn't disturbed
the balance. Waiting for the Alberta Clippers to stop coming our way in the
northeast. Can't you Canadians do something about that!!
While I was torqueing up the prop bolts, I got to wondering if any one else is
using
Balance Masters for the prop and the magneto end of the engine. I have a FireFly
with
a 447 pushing me along. I know I'm the only one in the local group using them
and I
was looking for other input. I'm pretty well convinced that I get a smoother
performance using them.
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Fathers Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
On another note, while I sit here wishing I was up there! I couldn't help but
think
about the good flying weather that will come with spring & summer.
As of now, this is the list of people that have expressed interest in joining us
at
Homer and Clara's farm on the Saturday 18th. of the Fathers Day weekend in June:
Steve Green
Denny Rowe
Chuck Davis
Charlie Blackwell
Gene Zimmerman
Earl Zimmerman
Tim
Bob Griffin
Bob Pongrazz
John Hauck
Bill Varnes Tom Ohara
Ken james
George Alexander
If there are others let me know. I know Clara will be hitting me up eventually
to get
an idea of how many might come. Looking forward to another grand time at the Kolb
farm. Last year is going to be hard to beat!!!
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Don Gherardini wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Rick...
> You mention steel gear on all the new kolbs...does this include the FireFly?
>
> Don Gherardini
> OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
> American Honda Engines
> Power Equipment Company
> CortLand, Illinois
>
Don,
I don't know if they are, but I made a set for my FireFly 3 years ago using John
Hauck's information only I stepped them down using two different diameters to fit
the
wheel socket.. They have worked well for me!
Terry - FireFly
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
No pics of the Jab/Xtra yet, but will post some soon.
Flew it for a couple of hours today.
I have offset the engine some more and got it about right now.
It is giving a climb of 950 ft/min fully loaded and indicating 75kt at 2500
rpm 82kt at2600, CHT sitting at 250deg and 270deg on the two rear cyls.
Nice to have a quiet engine ipposed to the noisy 582.
Mike
G-CDFA
----- Original Message -----
From: <ElleryWeld@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing Gear Legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: ElleryWeld@aol.com
>
> Mike have you posted any pics of the Xtra with the Jabiru sounds great
> would
> like to see it :o)
>
> Maine,Ellery Batchelder
> Original Firestar
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Legs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
All,
TNK have definately got a new steel gear leg, looks good and fits into the
existing sockets.
Mike
G-CDFA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing Gear Legs
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> John's setup has been well proven and works very well. Seems to me that
> someone said recently that TNK has made a steel gear available, so you
> might
> check into that. If not, check my website under Building Vamoose/Trailer
> and Landing Gear, and under Single Pictures/Landing Gear 1. Looks like
> I've
> got some updating to do there to get it all together. I went my route
> because of the narrow trailer - I'm too stubborn to look for a wider
> trailer. John's experience made it much easier to work out my own
> solution.
> Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Jung" <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
> To: <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing Gear Legs
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Jung <jrjungjr@yahoo.com>
>>
>> John H. and Group,
>>
>> I like the attitude working together to solve the
>> landing gear problem. And I do think it is a problem.
>> Not a big one, but still a problem. But in this case,
>> the problem is already solved. John Hauck solved it
>> years ago and has done an extreme amount of testing to
>> prove it. It would be nice if TNK offered a steel
>> gear upgrade, but I'm giving up on waiting for that.
>> It's time for me to add some of that well tested Hauck
>> design to my Firestar.
>>
>> So, I know what steel to order and to get it heat
>> treated to RC48, but how do I attached the axles and
>> get them at the right angle?
>>
>> John Jung
>> Firestar II
>> Surprise, AZ
>>
>>
>> __________________________________
>> http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
John,
It must be nice to know everything about everything. It seems that
your main goal on the Kolb list is to put down as many as you can.
Just from what I've read from you on the list, I hope I never have the
misopportunity to meet you in person.
Dale Sellers
GA UltraStar
-------------------------------------
dale
i have met john a couple of times.... and i feel fortuinate to be
able to call him a friend..... he is out spoken and direct,,,, a
quality that some do not like as they would have everything sugar
coated.... but with john you do know where you stand.... he has been
helpfull to all that have asked, and has shared of his knowledge and
insights.... i have had the oppertunity of visiting with him
around the camp fire, flying wing tip to wingtip, traided air to air
photos , and even invited him to my home.... and at sometime i hope
he is able to do so.....
my $0.02 worth
boyd
in my opinion this information should be archived.....
but as it does not relate directly to the knowledge of building and flying
kolbs,,
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Balancer Masters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Steve Garvelink" <link@cdc.net>
http://www.balancemasters.com/ultralights.html
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of terry
Subject: Kolb-List: Balancer Masters
--> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
I just finished remounting my wood Tennessee prop after checking the
balance again. Of
course it was still dead on, but not being able to fly a fellow has to
do something.
Also I wanted to make sure my cutting the prop tips to eliminate noise
hadn't disturbed
the balance. Waiting for the Alberta Clippers to stop coming our way in
the
northeast. Can't you Canadians do something about that!!
While I was torqueing up the prop bolts, I got to wondering if any one
else is using
Balance Masters for the prop and the magneto end of the engine. I have
a FireFly with
a 447 pushing me along. I know I'm the only one in the local group
using them and I
was looking for other input. I'm pretty well convinced that I get a
smoother
performance using them.
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: Fathers Day Fly-in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi@supernet.com>
terry wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
>
> On another note, while I sit here wishing I was up there! I couldn't help but
think
> about the good flying weather that will come with spring & summer.
>
> As of now, this is the list of people that have expressed interest in joining
us at
> Homer and Clara's farm on the Saturday 18th. of the Fathers Day weekend in June:
>
> Steve Green
> Denny Rowe
> Chuck Davis
> Charlie Blackwell
> Gene Zimmerman
> Earl Zimmerman
> Tim
> Bob Griffin
> Bob Pongrazz
> John Hauck
> Bill Varnes Tom Ohara
> Ken james
> George Alexander
>
> If there are others let me know. I know Clara will be hitting me up eventually
to get
> an idea of how many might come. Looking forward to another grand time at the
Kolb
> farm. Last year is going to be hard to beat!!!
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
Terry I think that Joel is interested in coming. And I would guess that
Wilmer and Jeff would come too. But then you probably talked to them
since I have. How was the breakfast the other week? ~ Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Balancer Masters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Waiting for the Alberta Clippers to stop coming our way in the
> northeast. Can't you Canadians do something about that!!
>
That would be stoping the most valued custom of the canadian race. We use
those winds every year so that when we put our elderly on ice flows they
have a favourable and speedy trip to the ancestors.
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| Subject: | Re: Balancer Masters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "terry" <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Balancer Masters
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: terry <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
> While I was torqueing up the prop bolts, I got to wondering if any one
> else is using
> Balance Masters for the prop and the magneto end of the engine. I have a
> FireFly with
> a 447 pushing me along. I know I'm the only one in the local group using
> them and I
> was looking for other input. I'm pretty well convinced that I get a
> smoother
> performance using them.
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
>
Terry,
I have one on the prop of my Mk-3, I took it off last summer to see any
differance, turned around before I got to the runway and put it back on, it
really made a big diff.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, 690L-70, 3 blade Powerfin F model
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