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1. 05:41 AM - New Rotary Engine (James, Ken)
2. 10:13 AM - fuel. (PATRICK LADD)
3. 10:23 AM - Re: New Rotary Engine (Rusty)
4. 11:52 AM - Re: Gross Weight, Flight Loads and Flight Safety (Silver Fern Microlights Ltd)
5. 12:11 PM - Construction (Jimmy)
6. 12:16 PM - Re: New Rotary Engine (James, Ken)
7. 12:21 PM - Re: fuel. (James, Ken)
8. 12:24 PM - Re: fuel. (Jim Ballenger)
9. 03:15 PM - Re: fuel. (possums)
10. 03:32 PM - Re: fuel. (John Hauck)
11. 03:36 PM - Re: fuel. (possums)
12. 04:04 PM - Re: fuel. (John Hauck)
13. 04:44 PM - Re: GPS Advise (Keith Kellogg)
14. 05:23 PM - Re: fuel. (possums)
15. 08:36 PM - 6 gallon fuel cans (Denny Rowe)
16. 08:47 PM - Re: 6 gallon fuel cans (possums)
17. 08:57 PM - Re: New Rotary Engine (Rusty)
18. 10:49 PM - Source for fuel tanks (Dale Sellers)
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| Subject: | New Rotary Engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Just a FYI for those looking for something different than the standard
Rotax.
<<...OLE_Obj...>>
http://www.rotaryengines.ca/main/aircraft.htm
LCR 814 Twin-Rotor Aircraft Engine
Model LCR - 814 TG ti=09
Design twin rotor injected engine=09
Dim. [mm] L x W x H l x w x h 600 x 462 x 430 523 x 280 x 285=09
Weight [kg] Engine Drive Electric system 35.0 6.5 4.5=09
Performance KW (HP) at speed [rpm] 56 (75) 6000=09
Torque [Nm] at speed [rpm] 90 4000=09
Displacement [cm=B3] 814=09
BSFC [g/kWh] 300=09
Fuel unleaded gasoline / Mogas (ROZ 92) or 1:80-mixture (premix)=09
Lubrication standard-2-stroke-oil (API-TC)=09
Ignition unit WANKEL tric-injection with engine management system=09
Electric starter 12 V / 900 W=09
Generator 14 V / 200 W=09
Standard specification Engine equipment with electric starter, generator,
air-filter, engine management system with twin spark ignition=09
Optional nirosta exhaust muffler, radiator, 3:1 HDT cog-belt
reduction drive=09
The chart came in weird
> Ken James
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi All,
My Mark 111 is coming along nicely. cage and fuse tube are mated and she is up
on her wheels. Wings,tail and fin constructed. Engine delivered. Covering kit
any time now.
I have a problem. I would like to fit permanent filler tube from the tank to the
outside of the cage so that I can tip a jerry can of fuel in without having
to introduce a filling hose through the cockpit door. Has anyone constructed such
a thing or how do you manage?.
I have the same problem with my Challenger which I solve by carrying a spare can
of fuel on the back seat with a pump and a funnel. I really do not want to havre
to do the same in my nice clean upholstered and carpeted Kolb cockpit.
Remembering our strict weight limits any construct cannot weigh very much. Any
input would be appreciated.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | New Rotary Engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Just a FYI for those looking for something different than the standard
Rotax.
http://www.rotaryengines.ca/main/aircraft.htm
--------------------------------
These aren't exactly new, but they're new to Canada. This company bought
the rights to the engine that was being made by a German company.
Unfortunately, that German company never replied to a single email that I
sent them. With any luck, the Canadian company will do better. I sent them
a message this morning to find out what the price and availability is, and
I'll pass along any info that I get to the list.
On paper, these are great little engines, but I've yet to see one in person.
I sure hope these guys price them right, and get a few out there on
aircraft, because they sure sound promising. I'd really love to have one on
the SS, or maybe the Sonerai.
Cheers,
Rusty (now with 3 unflyable planes)
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| Subject: | Re: Gross Weight, Flight Loads and Flight Safety |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd" <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi Rex,
I did not witness the tests myself but since it gained approval it would
tell me that nothing actually failed as this would mean that it would not
have got approval.
I think the main gear legs did perminently bend a bit though.
Mike
G-CDFA
Xtra/Jab 2200
----- Original Message -----
From: "jrodebush" <jrodebush@fuse.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Gross Weight, Flight Loads and Flight Safety
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jrodebush" <jrodebush@fuse.net>
>
> Thanks MIke, good information to know.
>
> Just curious, did you witness the test? What components had permanent
> deformation, if any? Anything actually break?
>
> Rex Rodebush
>
> ............From: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
> <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
> ........Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Maximum Gross Weight, Flight Loads and
> Flight Safety
>
> ..........--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Silver Fern Microlights Ltd"
> <kiwimick@sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> .........Rex All,
> .........The MkIII has actually been physically load tested to a load of
> 450kg +6 -3
> ..........this has to be done on all craft as part of BCAR section S which
> ALL UK
> .........approved aircraft have to satisfy.
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jimmy" <jhankin@planters.net>
Pat,,,one question,,,how many people are there working on your kit, was it a
quickbuild kit?
Seems like it was just a few weeks ago you got the kit.
Good luck and happy flying.
I use a 3 gallon plastic jug with a 1" x 36 hose to fill my 5 gallon can,
can reach mine from behind the enclosure.
Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Firefly 035
JYL (Sylvania)
Pegasus Field (Home)
2000 Feet X 100 Feet- Grass
Rocky Ford, Georgia
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| Subject: | New Rotary Engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
here is the price list
Engine Power Description Retail US$
LCR 407 SGti "38 HP @ 6,000 rpm" single rotor aircraft and marine
engines "$5,795.00"
LCR 407 SG RR "41 HP @ 6,900 rpm" single rotor Kart engines
"$4,995.00"
LCR 407 SG RB "41 HP @ 6,900 rpm" single rotor Kart and industrial
engines "$5,495.00"
LCR 407 SG RK "42 HP @ 6,900 rpm" single rotor Race Kart engines
"$6,095.00"
LCR 814 TGti "75 HP @ 6,000 rpm" Twin rotor aircraft and marine
engines "$8,195.00"
LCR Twinpack "150 HP @ 6,000 rpm" Four rotor aircraft and marine
engines "$16,995.00"
"*LCR - Liquid Cooled Engine, Charge Cooled Rotor"
"*SG = Single rotor, Gasoline"
*ti =Tric-Ignition system
RR version is basic bare engine without attachments
"RB version includes carburetor, air filter, clutch, starter adapter &
pinion"
"RK version includes RB + starter, exhaust flange mounting, exhaust pipe"
Accessories
For Engine Part number Description Retail US$
LCR 407 153 110 Exhaust pipe kit $442.75
LCR 814 152 610 Exhaust pipe kit $638.25
LCR 407 152 121 Stainless steel muffler $977.50
LCR 814 153 621 Stainless steel muffler "$1,425.00"
LCR 407 156 121 Radiator - steel $615.00
LCR 814 156 122 Radiator - steel $615.00
LCR 407 156 123 Radiator - aluminum $845.00
LCR 814 156 124 Radiator - aluminum $845.00
LCR 407 & 814 154 100 *HDT Reduction Drive $910.00
LCR 407 153 110 Exhaust Pipe & Assembly Kit $442.75
LCR 814 152 610 Exhaust Pipe & Assembly Kit $638.25
LCR 407 & 814 154 100 Reduction Drive (3:1 or 2:1) $910.00
LCR 407 & 814 155 541 spark plug *
LCR 407 & 814 151 041 air filter (tapered) *
LCR 407 & 814 155 333 V-belt 10x530 Z21 *
LCR 407 & 814 155 310 generator c/w regulator *
LCR 407 & 814 155 611 electric starter *
LCR 407 Kart 153 182 engine cover *
LCR 407 Kart 155 522 ignition coil PVL *
LCR 407 Kart 155 531 high tension lead *
LCR 407 & 814 155 203 Electronic Tachometer *
LCR 407 & 814 155 202 Coolant Temperature Gauge *
LCR 407 & 814 155 205 Ambient Temperature Gauge *
LCR 407 & 814 155 204 Voltmeter *
LCR 407 & 814 155 206 Hour-meter *
Terms - 10% deposit with purchase order
40% 30 days prior to delivery date
balance payable on delivery
Dealer & OEM terms as arranged
* Note: prices to be determined
Prices are subject to change without notice
-----Original Message-----
From: Rusty [mailto:13brv3c@bellsouth.net]
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New Rotary Engine
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Just a FYI for those looking for something different than the standard
Rotax.
http://www.rotaryengines.ca/main/aircraft.htm
--------------------------------
These aren't exactly new, but they're new to Canada. This company bought
the rights to the engine that was being made by a German company.
Unfortunately, that German company never replied to a single email that I
sent them. With any luck, the Canadian company will do better. I sent them
a message this morning to find out what the price and availability is, and
I'll pass along any info that I get to the list.
On paper, these are great little engines, but I've yet to see one in person.
I sure hope these guys price them right, and get a few out there on
aircraft, because they sure sound promising. I'd really love to have one on
the SS, or maybe the Sonerai.
Cheers,
Rusty (now with 3 unflyable planes)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
I plan to make a custom tank that has a automotive neck welded on coming out
to a automotive locking door that will be attached to the frame.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: PATRICK LADD [mailto:pj.ladd@btinternet.com]
Subject: Kolb-List: fuel.
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Hi All,
My Mark 111 is coming along nicely. cage and fuse tube are mated and she is
up on her wheels. Wings,tail and fin constructed. Engine delivered. Covering
kit any time now.
I have a problem. I would like to fit permanent filler tube from the tank to
the outside of the cage so that I can tip a jerry can of fuel in without
having to introduce a filling hose through the cockpit door. Has anyone
constructed such a thing or how do you manage?.
I have the same problem with my Challenger which I solve by carrying a spare
can of fuel on the back seat with a pump and a funnel. I really do not want
to havre to do the same in my nice clean upholstered and carpeted Kolb
cockpit.
Remembering our strict weight limits any construct cannot weigh very much.
Any input would be appreciated.
Cheers
Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Pat
I had a machine shop make me a filler tube/cap that attaches to the back of
the cage right under the engine mount. I have a 2" hose attached that runs
to a Y fitting fitted with two 1 " hoses that go to the filler caps on the
tanks. I have not tried it yet but it should work.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: fuel.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "PATRICK LADD" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> My Mark 111 is coming along nicely. cage and fuse tube are mated and she
is up on her wheels. Wings,tail and fin constructed. Engine delivered.
Covering kit any time now.
>
> I have a problem. I would like to fit permanent filler tube from the tank
to the outside of the cage so that I can tip a jerry can of fuel in without
having to introduce a filling hose through the cockpit door. Has anyone
constructed such a thing or how do you manage?.
>
> I have the same problem with my Challenger which I solve by carrying a
spare can of fuel on the back seat with a pump and a funnel. I really do not
want to havre to do the same in my nice clean upholstered and carpeted Kolb
cockpit.
>
> Remembering our strict weight limits any construct cannot weigh very much.
Any input would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 03:25 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
>Pat
>I had a machine shop make me a filler tube/cap that attaches to the back of
>the cage right under the engine mount. I have a 2" hose attached that runs
>to a Y fitting fitted with two 1 " hoses that go to the filler caps on the
>tanks. I have not tried it yet but it should work.
>Jim Ballenger
I did the same thing Jim did - on a one seater. Except used plastic PVC
for filler cap going thru an aluminum plate on the back.
Hasn't leaked in 6 years. Just have one 10 gallon spin-moulded
tank and 2 inch (I think) clear hose going from the PVC to the tank.
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Modrearframe.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Modfowdframe.jpg
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
plastic PVC
| for filler cap going thru an aluminum plate on the back.
Possum/Gang:
Me too.
On my Firestar.
I made up a PVC cap that went into a chrome plated brass P-Trap pipe
attached to rubber connector and into 18 gal aluminum tank. What do
you mean? Only 5 gal max fuel capacity for an ultralight?
On the MKIII I found an Atwood marine filler and cap. Looks like the
old racing motorcycle flip up fuel tank caps. Is made out of nylon
and very light. I like it because I do not have to worry about losing
the cap. Had to make a bunch of them for the FS because I would lay
them on the aileron, forget to put them back, crank, and kiss the cap
goodbye.
I fill my airplane from 5 gal cans at home. Use a 6 ft piece of 3/4"
flights. Makes it a lot easier to fill from cans when the need
arises.
john h
PS: You going to S&F?
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 06:31 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Possum/Gang:
>john h
>
>PS: You going to S&F?
I don't know if the group is going yet.
Think they will let me park in front of the Kolb
display again??
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
| Think they will let me park in front of the Kolb
| display again??
Possum/Gang:
If not, you can park in front of the powered parachute booth. ;-)
jolhn h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Keith Kellogg" <kloggs@comcast.net>
I have heard good reviews about the Anywhere Map product but have not used
it myself. The software is pretty pricey from my memory. I have used PDA
based GPS software from www.teletype.com. The nice thing about their product
is that you can get aviation, street and marine moving map all in one
device. They have a new package which includes a Dell Axim 50 PDA, their
mobile navigator software for streets and a bluetooth GPS for $599. I think
it is another $100 to add the aviation software to the package. I am going
to upgrade to this set up. Another nice feature of the Teletype software is
that you can use it on a PC as well as PDA. I take my laptop with me when
we take trips in our RV which provides us with a large moving map display.
I can also do route planning on the PC then transfer to the PDA.
Using PDA based GPS is nice in that you can use it for so many other things.
The only issue I had with my old one was that it would sometimes lock up on
me and I would need to reset it. I am hoping the newer software, PDA and
new Windows operating system will solve this problem. Not a good situation
when you are trying to fly.
Will let the group know what I think after I have used it for a couple
months.
Keith K.
MkIII Classic
Warrenville, IL
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 07:04 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> | I don't know if the group is going yet.
>| Think they will let me park in front of the Kolb
>| display again??
>
>Possum/Gang:
>
>If not, you can park in front of the powered parachute booth. ;-)
>
>jolhn h
You never know =96 like I've said before, nothing to stop us but the weather
or common sense, and I guess we can't do anything about the weather.
I fact I've said all of this before, but=85=85
It=92s more fun bringing a batch new Possums than flying by myself.
We like to call them "yearlings" since they've been flying
about a year and ain't dead yet.
The yearlings tend to learn as they go. We generally fly
for about 60 or 70 miles before one of them starts fretting about
his gas supply, of course, they can't see their tanks and their fuel
gages generally stop working after about an hour or so. First big
trip - you see- so nothing is really tested in advance.
You don't really want to fly to close behind one either, as they tend to
have miscellaneous parts fall off their planes all the way to Florida,
- mostly small stuff, like doors and muffler springs,
- nothing that you really need. They're still learning what "safety wire"
is all about. You'd be surprised how much I can get for a muffler spring
halfway to Florida =96 they don't carry spar parts either.
Then we have our "Tuning" ritual every other stop. That mostly
evolves the yearling's re-pitching their props - back & forth - raising needles
up and down in the carburetors - mostly for no good reason, but I guess
it makes them feel better.
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| Subject: | 6 gallon fuel cans |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
A while back someone posted a web address for a company that sold 6 gallon fuel
cans that fit in the Kolbs as direct replacements for the standard 5 gallon cans.
I can't seem to find it now.
Help!
Denny Rowe
Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon fuel cans |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 11:36 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
>A while back someone posted a web address for a company that sold 6 gallon
>fuel cans that fit in the Kolbs as direct replacements for the standard 5
>gallon cans.
>I can't seem to find it now.
>Help!
>
>Denny Rowe
>Mk-3, PA
I ordered a replacement tank from TNK a couple years ago. If you don't get
the hardware, the bare tank is only about $20 plus shipping. I'm currently
using a six gallon tank that fits the same hole, but is taller by a few inches.
I installed one last winter and have 90hrs of use on it so far with no
problems. Here is the link to the place I bought it from:
Cubitainer and Hedpak Combination Packaging
In case the link doesn't work here is the address:
<http://www.ba-industrial.com/hedpak.htm>http://www.ba-industrial.com/hedpak.htm
Scroll down their page to the six gallon Hedpack (part# 049-4440) I paid
$12.95 shipped all the way to Oregon from Oklahoma. These tanks are a little
thinner walled and less stiff than the Kolb tanks. That isn't a problem in my
KXP, but might be something to consider depending on how the tanks are mounted
in the MarkII.
By the way, don't go buy one of those similar sized water containers at the
local mart store. I put one in that was the same size and color, hoping it
would work. It cracked at one of the seams after nine hours. Lucky for me it
decided to fail on the ground and not in the air. The Hedpak tank I'm using now
is certified for shipping harzardous liquids and you can't beat the price. I
can send pictures if you would like.
Hope this helps
Roger in Oregon
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| Subject: | New Rotary Engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
LCR 814 TGti "75 HP @ 6,000 rpm" Twin rotor aircraft and
marine
engines "$8,195.00"
---------------------------
When you add up all the extras, the single rotor Mazda is looking pretty
good again. Did you get this from their site, or did they send it to you?
I haven't received any reply yet.
Cheers,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Source for fuel tanks |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Whoever posted the site for fuel tanks, would you post it again. I lost it.
Dale Sellers
Georgis UltraStar
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