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1. 12:11 AM - Re: Rotary engine ... (Rusty)
2. 04:40 AM - Re: Rotary engine ... (N27SB@aol.com)
3. 04:45 AM - Re: Rotary engine ... (N27SB@aol.com)
4. 04:57 AM - Re: 6 gallon fuel cans (Dale Sellers)
5. 05:18 AM - Re: 6 gallon fuel cans (Denny Rowe)
6. 05:21 AM - Re: (Denny Rowe)
7. 06:02 AM - Sport pilot tour (James, Ken)
8. 06:25 AM - Re: Rotary engine ... (Rusty)
9. 07:04 AM - GSC Prop (Herb Gayheart)
10. 07:32 AM - Re: 6 gallon fuel cans (Richard Pike)
11. 07:48 AM - 582 Firestar II (Richard Pike)
12. 07:49 AM - Re: Rotary engine ... (N27SB@aol.com)
13. 07:55 AM - Re: 6 gallon fuel cans (Dale Sellers)
14. 08:50 AM - Re: Rotary engine ... (Rusty)
15. 10:22 AM - Re: GSC Prop (Denny Rowe)
16. 12:27 PM - Re: Rotary engine ... (N27SB@aol.com)
17. 02:52 PM - Re: Rotary engine ... (Bob N.)
18. 03:35 PM - MkIIIc amphib floatplane for sale (Frank Reynen)
19. 04:16 PM - Re: MkIIIc amphib floatplane for sale (jam'n)
20. 05:30 PM - Re: Sport pilot tour (Mike Marsh)
21. 06:38 PM - Re: Sport pilot tour (John Williamson)
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| Subject: | Rotary engine ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Hi Tim,
I was sorry to see their prices so high. Still, assuming they're everything
they say they are (far from proven), I'd say they're on par with a
comparable Rotax. By comparable, I mean 4 stroke, with a long TBO. 2
strokes ain't comparable in my opinion.
Cheers,
Rusty (I won't be buying one)
i don't know. these engines might be good but if
you add up the "total cost" of one of these engines
installed you'll see its twicw the price of a
comparable Rotax... that being said i doubt you'll see
too many of them flying.......... tim
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| Subject: | Re: Rotary engine ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Hi Rusty,
been following this converstion. I had a mazda rotary in 1986 and I thought
that despite the high
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| Subject: | Re: Rotary engine ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Sorry, hit the send button.
Even though the rotary acts like a 2 stroke as far as rpm, doesn't it have
fuel consumption more like a 4 stroke. Sounds like you get 2 stroke performance
as far as weight to power but you get fuel consumption like a 4 stroke and you
don't add oil to fuel plus they run smooth as silk. If these things are
true, then double the cost of a rotax 2 stroke sounds like a good value.
Steve b
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon fuel cans |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Denny,
I'm looking for more fuel capacity for the US. That Cuyuna sucks down the
gas. With the five gal. tank I have, I get one hour flying time with a safe
reserve. (I didn't just say that):) One of those six gal.water cans from
Walmart is just right to fit behind the seat but it is too light weight and
I don't trust it. I had even thought of glassing it to reinforce it but
that would make it heavy.
Dale Sellers
Georgia UltraStar
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 6 gallon fuel cans
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Dale, others,
> I ordered a couple of the 6 gallon jugs this morning, I'll let you folks
> know what I think of em as soon as I get em.
> Total price for two including shipping was just under $20.
>
> Denny Rowe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 6 gallon fuel cans
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Denny,
>>
>> That address doesn't come up for me. Any suggestions?
>>
>> DS
>> do not archive
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 6 gallon fuel cans
>>
>>
>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>>>
>>> Thats it, Thanks a ton.
>>>
>>> Denny
>>> do not archive
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
>>> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 6 gallon fuel cans
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>> At 11:36 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote:
>>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>A while back someone posted a web address for a company that sold 6
>>>>>gallon
>>>>>fuel cans that fit in the Kolbs as direct replacements for the standard
>>>>>5
>>>>>gallon cans.
>>>>>I can't seem to find it now.
>>>>>Help!
>>>>>
>>>>>Denny Rowe
>>>>>Mk-3, PA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I ordered a replacement tank from TNK a couple years ago. If you don't
>>>> get
>>>> the hardware, the bare tank is only about $20 plus shipping. I'm
>>>> currently
>>>> using a six gallon tank that fits the same hole, but is taller by a few
>>>> inches.
>>>>
>>>> I installed one last winter and have 90hrs of use on it so far with no
>>>> problems. Here is the link to the place I bought it from:
>>>>
>>>> Cubitainer and Hedpak Combination Packaging
>>>>
>>>> In case the link doesn't work here is the address:
>>>> <http://www.ba-industrial.com/hedpak.htm>http://www.ba-industrial.com/hedpak.htm
>>>>
>>>> Scroll down their page to the six gallon Hedpack (part# 049-4440) I
>>>> paid
>>>> $12.95 shipped all the way to Oregon from Oklahoma. These tanks are a
>>>> little
>>>> thinner walled and less stiff than the Kolb tanks. That isn't a
>>>> problem
>>>> in my
>>>>
>>>> KXP, but might be something to consider depending on how the tanks are
>>>> mounted
>>>>
>>>> in the MarkII.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, don't go buy one of those similar sized water containers at
>>>> the
>>>> local mart store. I put one in that was the same size and color, hoping
>>>> it
>>>> would work. It cracked at one of the seams after nine hours. Lucky
>>>> for
>>>> me it
>>>>
>>>> decided to fail on the ground and not in the air. The Hedpak tank I'm
>>>> using now
>>>>
>>>> is certified for shipping harzardous liquids and you can't beat the
>>>> price.
>>>> I
>>>> can send pictures if you would like.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>
>>>> Roger in Oregon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon fuel cans |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 6 gallon fuel cans
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
> Denny,
> I'm looking for more fuel capacity for the US. That Cuyuna sucks down the
> gas. With the five gal. tank I have, I get one hour flying time with a
> safe
> reserve. (I didn't just say that):) One of those six gal.water cans from
> Walmart is just right to fit behind the seat but it is too light weight
> and
> I don't trust it. I had even thought of glassing it to reinforce it but
> that would make it heavy.
>
> Dale Sellers
> Georgia UltraStar
> do not archive
Dale,
Like I said, I'll post my opinion of the tanks when they come in, sure can't
complain about the price.
Also, on the fuel consumption subject, my old Cuyuna in my Pterodactyl was
always pretty easy on fuel, but the fellow I sold it to replaced it with a
440 Kawasaki with the 4 V-belt drive from J-bird, I think the whole package
with engine , belt drive, exhaust, and carb was under $950. Anyway, he burns
under two gallon an hour now with the Kawi, blows my mind how efficient that
engine is on the Dac.
Denny Rowe
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Telkom" <jams_ingram@telkomsa.net>
Subject: Kolb-List:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Telkom" <jams_ingram@telkomsa.net>
>
> Have a Kolb M3 Classic with Rotax 618
> gearbox 3:47
> GSC 3 blade wood Ground Adjustable prop.
> Question :-What is recommended pitch setting and at what distance measured
> from Hub ?
> Sean
>
>
Sean,
GSC could probably get you in the ball park on the pitch, you also could
take a poke at it and set them all in the middle of the range, than do
static RPM checks with it tied down and make adjustments until you get the
correct wide open RPM for your engine, probably looking for 6200 rpm or
there abouts.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Sport pilot tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Thought this might be interesting
The EAA says it's taking the first
steps in an attempt to ignite interest in light-sport aviation. So
the sport aviation organization is launching its first Sport Pilot
Tour, which brings to EAA members and the public the information
and tools needed to seize and enjoy this recreational-aviation
opportunity.
The Tour's first leg includes three stops this June:
Marysville, CA, as part of EAA's Golden West Regional fly-in
June 3-4
St. Louis, MO, June 10-11
Franklin, PA, June 17-18
copied from http://www.aero-news.net/
Ken
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| Subject: | Rotary engine ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Hi Steve,
The rotary can run extremely lean, as long as you're not turbo charging it.
Lean + turbo = broken apex seals. With a computer that will allow you to
aggressively lean the mixture for cruise, you can get as good, or slightly
better fuel consumption as a Lycoming.
As for mixing oil in the fuel, sorry, you still have to. All Mazda rotaries
have oil injection, though most of the airplane guys ditch that, and pre-mix
.8-1.0 oz per gallon. There's just no other way to lubricate the apex seal.
Cheers,
Rusty
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
guys
Looking for a three blade prop for the Firefly. Tired of bumping into
the two blade as I go around the plane parked in the garage. 447 engine.
b box 2.58 to 1.
I have located a three blade GSC of 60 inches in dia. Will that work?
Herb
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon fuel cans |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Will one of those red 6 gallon boat tanks fit?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 07:57 AM 3/16/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>
>Denny,
>I'm looking for more fuel capacity for the US. That Cuyuna sucks down the
>gas. With the five gal. tank I have, I get one hour flying time with a safe
>reserve. (I didn't just say that):) One of those six gal.water cans from
>Walmart is just right to fit behind the seat but it is too light weight and
>I don't trust it. I had even thought of glassing it to reinforce it but
>that would make it heavy.
>
>Dale Sellers
>Georgia UltraStar
>do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Finished the web page addition for the Firestar II with the Rotax 582.
Has pictures of the airframe mods to keep it together.
Also has some pictures of how we found a convenient spot for the radio and GPS.
And the custom seat that drove me crazy - 4 tries to get it right.
Airplane has ten hours on it now, flew it for an hour last night.
That puppy climbs about 1200 fpm at full throttle.
Still not completely used to it - it handles a bit different than the MKIII.
Would be interested in hearing opinions from those with a lot of time in
both the MKIII and the FS II.
Here is the web page -
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotary engine ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
In a message dated 3/16/05 8:25:46 AM Central Standard Time,
13brv3c@bellsouth.net writes:
> The rotary can run extremely lean, as long as you're not turbo charging it.
> Lean + turbo = broken apex seals. With a computer that will allow you to
> aggressively lean the mixture for cruise, you can get as good, or slightly
> better fuel consumption as a Lycoming.
>
> As for mixing oil in the fuel, sorry, you still have to. All Mazda rotaries
> have oil injection, though most of the airplane guys ditch that, and pre-mix
> .8-1.0 oz per gallon. There's just no other way to lubricate the apex seal.
>
>
Thanks Rusty.
Oil mix is not a big deal but fuel use is. I had an 86 twin rotor rx7 and I
don't remember oil use. I do seem to remember that I was told that it would
consume oil but I don't think that I had to add oil in betwen changes. Is the
aircraft application different or was there just a minor amount of oil consumed
from the crankcase in the rx7? Anyway, I may want to try one on the
floatplane in the future. You can always stay over your runway if you have a big
lake.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon fuel cans |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
Richard,
No, I've tried that. Too big.
DS
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 6 gallon fuel cans
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
>
> Will one of those red 6 gallon boat tanks fit?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> At 07:57 AM 3/16/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dale Sellers" <dsel1@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>Denny,
>>I'm looking for more fuel capacity for the US. That Cuyuna sucks down the
>>gas. With the five gal. tank I have, I get one hour flying time with a
>>safe
>>reserve. (I didn't just say that):) One of those six gal.water cans from
>>Walmart is just right to fit behind the seat but it is too light weight
>>and
>>I don't trust it. I had even thought of glassing it to reinforce it but
>>that would make it heavy.
>>
>>Dale Sellers
>>Georgia UltraStar
>>do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotary engine ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rusty" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Hi Steve,
(warning, more than you wanted to know follows <g>)
The rotary is quite capable of running just as rich as it does lean. It's
very forgiving of mixture, and I think the overly rich settings on the early
carbureted versions gave it the gas guzzler reputation that I hear repeated
over, and over... The 85 RX-7 that I had was OK, on fuel, but didn't have
that much power. The modified 93 twin turbo was another story :-)
With Tracy Crook's engine controller, you can use the mixture knob as almost
a second throttle. Just leave the throttle at max, and adjust power with
mixture. The range is huge, and nothing like you've ever experienced in a
piston type engine.
Oil consumption for the apex seals is very low. Best I recall, my 85 manual
said that you should not have to add more than one quart in 1500 miles. I
used to change my oil at 1500 mile intervals, and never added in between.
As I mentioned, we tend to run 1 oz per gallon, but that's too much. The
excess oil tends to get scraped off the side housing by the oil seals, and
it goes in the sump. In almost all of our planes, the oil level rises,
rather than dropping with usage. People are finding that .8 oz per gallon
keeps it about even.
The problem with the Mazda system is that it uses 4-stroke oil from the
sump, which is not intended to be burned, so it ends up gunking up the
rotors. Of course Mazda knows this, but they know that no one would buy a
car that had a separate reservoir of 2-stroke oil to fill. They also know
that people would forget to fill it, and cause engine damage (wears out the
apex seals, but nothing catastrophic).
Richard Sohn makes an adapter that allows the stock Mazda oil injector to
draw from a separate reservoir, which is really the best of both worlds. I
may one day change to this. Richard is also the guy who's made the lightest
single rotor to date. Still under development.
Cheers,
Rusty (off to work)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb Gayheart" <herbgh@juno.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: GSC Prop
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@juno.com>
>
>
> guys
>
> Looking for a three blade prop for the Firefly. Tired of bumping into
> the two blade as I go around the plane parked in the garage. 447 engine.
> b box 2.58 to 1.
>
> I have located a three blade GSC of 60 inches in dia. Will that work?
> Herb
>
Herb,
That prop will work, but you may be over the B-box limit for prop inertia,
maybe since you have the smaller diameter blades it will be OK, I would
check with Rotax before buying.
Also, a two blade 66' or 68 ' would perform better I would think. The three
blade should be smoother.
Denny
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| Subject: | Re: Rotary engine ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: N27SB@aol.com
Thanks Rusty,
My 86 Mazda was the twin rotor but non turbo. It was a wonderful running
engine with zero engine problems in 8 years and 90k miles. I talked with the
people today in Canada and we may do a factory test of their engine. Look forward
to your input in the future. As soon as I rap up the current Firefly on floats
and get through Sun n Fun I will get started. I would like to see how the 38hp
single rotor does on a firefly.
Steve B
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| Subject: | Re: Rotary engine ... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
My '66 NSU single rotor Wankel initially used about a pint/1000mi,
deteriorating to a qt before replacing the carbon apex seals. Later my
twin rotor in the RO-80 used a qt in 1500-1800 miles, but it was driven
hard. The German translation for the oil metering pump is dose, like a
dose of castor oil. Surely would like a single in my FireFly.
Bob N. FF070
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| Subject: | MkIIIc amphib floatplane for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frank Reynen" <frank_reynen@ix.netcom.com>
Kolb-List,
I have decided to sell my Kolb MKIIIc.
The reason for the sale is that we are selling our place in Discovery Bay
(San Francisco Bay area) where the plane is located.
It was very convenient to service and fly it from the water during the
summer months.
During the wintertime the plane was stored in the garage and never exposed
to inclement weather.
It is currently in the garage with the wings detached and tanks dry.
It has new sparkplugs installed and the oil and filter changed.
I am asking $19,500.
If required as a condition of the sale, the plane can be assembled and test
flown from the water with a few days notice. I am willing to sell the plane
separate from the floats with the original Kolb wheels installed.
For pictures and complete info see:
http://www.webcom.com/reynen/mark3_sale.html
Frank Reynen
408 253-2149
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| Subject: | Re: MkIIIc amphib floatplane for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "jam'n" <jghunter@nol.net>
frank
that is a real nice bird!~ it is a fine example of the kolb, the kolb on
water, a light ses, and the 912 in use. it appears that you did a real find
job in constructing and maintaining it. as a ga comml ses pilot, i
compliment you. sorry to think you have to let it go. again...real
nice bird!
nice presentation too. i enjoyed checking it out.
~barnstormer~
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Reynen" <frank_reynen@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: MkIIIc amphib floatplane for sale
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frank Reynen"
<frank_reynen@ix.netcom.com>
>
> Kolb-List,
> I have decided to sell my Kolb MKIIIc.
> The reason for the sale is that we are selling our place in Discovery Bay
> (San Francisco Bay area) where the plane is located.
> It was very convenient to service and fly it from the water during the
> summer months.
> During the wintertime the plane was stored in the garage and never exposed
> to inclement weather.
> It is currently in the garage with the wings detached and tanks dry.
> It has new sparkplugs installed and the oil and filter changed.
> I am asking $19,500.
>
> If required as a condition of the sale, the plane can be assembled and
test
> flown from the water with a few days notice. I am willing to sell the
plane
> separate from the floats with the original Kolb wheels installed.
>
> For pictures and complete info see:
> http://www.webcom.com/reynen/mark3_sale.html
>
> Frank Reynen
> 408 253-2149
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mike Marsh <nellypup_29@yahoo.com>
--- "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken"
> <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
>
>
> Thought this might be interesting
>
> The EAA says it's taking the first
> steps in an attempt to ignite interest in
> light-sport aviation. So
> the sport aviation organization is launching its
> first Sport Pilot
> Ken,
The problem with the sport pilot license is at this
point there are not instructors here in Ohio, no
instructors with light sport qulified aircraft, so
when you take the sport pilot written test you have no
where to go from there. Hopefully this will start
taking shape by the end of this year. For now I am
going for the private pilot ticket.
Mike
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Mike and all,
>>The problem with the sport pilot license is at this
point there are not instructors here in Ohio, no
instructors with light sport qualified aircraft,
All CFI's with SEL rating can instruct in a Light Sport Aircraft. They don't
have to have a "Light Sport Aircraft Instructor Certificate." All the CFI
needs is the 5 hours in make and model of light sport aircraft within the
same set of aircraft.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
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http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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